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 No.1802822

Americanons, what do you think of the S.C movements and its applications for leftist militants? They are often "associated" with (either in fact or in imagination) the far-right, but I have evidence and proof that the "rising of the moors" movement is based off sovereign city ideas, talking points and books. They are a more militant re-branding of the Moorish Science Temple.
I have literal autism so all the juridical and historical-minutae arguments they give really please me. However to be fair and neutral:
>https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-arguments-section-i-a-to-c
>https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-d-to-e
the IRS debunks their talking points one by one. the kinda shoot themselves in the foot and everywhere else tho

>none of it is voluntary (pay up ,slave)

>ALL is income, we own your arse
>you are a citizen and can't escape, basically you're a chattel slave everywhere you go
>you have to pay for the child crushing machine that'll kill your children, you can't do anything 'bout it
>cry harder, its all constitutional
huge bunch of hyper-bullies, if you ask me, these IRS Statist thugs.

 No.1802828

>>1802822
Well they're retarded obviously. They're also reactionaries that just want all the benefits of society without paying towards it.

 No.1802830

>>1802822
As for applications for the left, there is none since none of their ideas work or hold up in court.

 No.1802831

this part is specially about the moorish thing
>https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-d-to-e#contentione3
Proponents of this contention assert that African Americans can claim a so-called "Black Tax Credit" on their federal income tax returns as reparations for slavery and other oppressive treatment suffered by African Americans. A similar frivolous argument has been made that Native Americans are entitled to a credit on their federal income tax returns as a form of reparations for past oppressive treatment.

The Law: No provision in the Internal Revenue Code allows taxpayers to claim a "Black Tax Credit" or a credit for Native American reparations. It is a well settled principle of law that deductions and credits are a matter of legislative grace. See INDOPCO, Inc. v. Commissioner, 503 U.S. 79, 84 (1992); New Colonial Ice Co. v. Helvering, 292 U.S. 435, 440 (1934). Unless specifically provided for in the Internal Revenue Code, no deduction or credit is allowed. The IRS has warned taxpayers of the consequences of claiming refunds or other tax benefits based on frivolous reparations tax credits. Rev. Rul. 2004-33, 2004-1 C.B. 628; Notice 2010-33, 2010-17 I.R.B. 609. And in Rev. Rul. 2006-20, 2006-1 C.B. 746, and Notice 2010-33, 2010-17 I.R.B. 609, the IRS warned taxpayers about the frivolous nature of claiming an exemption for Native Americans from federal income tax liability based upon an unspecified "Native American Treaty".

Persons who claim refunds based on the slavery reparation tax credit or assist others in doing so are subject to prosecution for violation of federal tax laws. Furthermore, the United States has a cause of action for injunctive relief against a party suspected of violating the tax laws. Sections 7407 and 7408 provide for injunctive relief against income tax preparers and promoters of abusive tax shelters, respectively, in these types of cases.

Relevant Case Law:

United States v. Bridges, 217 F.3d 841 (4th Cir. 2000) – the Fourth Circuit upheld the taxpayer's conviction of aiding and assisting the preparation of false tax returns, on which he claimed a non-existent "Black Tax Credit."

United States v. Foster, 89 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2002-1063 (E.D. Va. 2002) – permanently enjoining Mr. Foster from preparing or assisting in the preparation of claiming refunds based on fabricated tax credits for slavery reparations or other comparable frivolous grounds.

George v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2006-121, Tax Ct. Rep. (CCH) 56, 539 (2006) – the court rejected the taxpayer's frivolous argument that he is an "Indian not paying taxes," finding that, unless there is an exemption created by treaty or statute, Native Americans are subject to the same federal income tax laws as are other United States citizens.

Taylor v. United States, 57 Fed. Cl. 264, 266 (2003) – the court upheld the IRS's denial of the taxpayer's refund claim, which was based on "being reduced to a second class citizen, but billed first class citizenship taxes for over 60 years," and held that the Internal Revenue Code does not contain a provision allowing slavery reparation claims.

Wilkins v. Commissioner, 120 T.C. 109 (2003) – the court found that the Internal Revenue Code does not provide a tax deduction, credit, or other allowance for slavery reparations.

Other Cases:

United States v. Haugabook, 2002 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 25314 (M.D. Ga. Dec. 9, 2002); United States v. Mims, 2002 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 25291 (S.D. Ga. Oct. 3, 2002); United States v. Foster, 2002 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 3092 (E.D. Va. Jan. 16, 2002); Hawkbey v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2017-199, 114 T.C.M. (CCH) 417 (2017); Gunton v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2006-122, 91 T.C.M. (CCH) 1261 (2006); Metallic v. Commissioner, T.C.M. (RIA) 2006-123 (T.C. 2006), aff'd, 225 F. App'x 1 (1st Cir. 2007).

here is a HORRIBLY designed website, it says schizo shit like all the ancient world being within the usa but also sells kits and tools for sovereign movement stuff. It has a schizo fun twist, where the South was RUN by blacks and the evil whiteys stole the confederacy and their white slaves
>https://www.americaistheoldworld.com/product/how-to-become-indigenous/
moors run the south
>https://www.americaistheoldworld.com/the-moors-ran-the-south/
mormon prophet joseph smith was black (the picture is from an AA inventor)
>https://www.americaistheoldworld.com/prophet-joseph-smith-was-black/

 No.1802832

>each man his own Hammurabi
retarded

 No.1802838

>>1802828
Isn't that merely being mentally tough and assertive? Why WOULD anyone want to pay for something (to get something) instead of trying to mooch off?
I defend and glorify leeches and moochers: Welfare fraudsters, fake beggars, e-beggar men, family and relative moocher etc
You could argue capitalists are the ultimate welfare queen moocha-moochas…Yes, and? Im more of an egoist anarchist. I have no real chance of being an owner of Capital so I will settle with being a petty scammer and comfy moocher.

 No.1802849

>>1802838
Obviously the government sucks and so on but I still look down on people that don't pay their taxes, I mean poor people idk sure it's not that bad to try and not pay but middle class and wealthy people should definitely pay. I think mooching is gross and it harms the people that actually need help since nobody trusts each other. Welfare cheating, eh yeah I think it's fine since it's only for poor people.

 No.1802851

The S.C movement is built on the idea that governments rule by laws and legislation as it's bedrock, and not the violence of policemen and soldiers, because of that they believe they can argue themselves into not paying taxes. They're completely ridiculous.

 No.1802904


 No.1803020

>FUCK da police
>nooooo not like that!

 No.1803026

>>1802822
Farcical bobo manchildren, autistics to spectrum to live out in society and methheads.

 No.1803032

refusing to answer questions when cops talk to them is the only worthwhile thing they do

 No.1803077

>>1802822
>Americanons, what do you think of the S.C movements and its applications for leftist militants?
Nothing, because it is based on the liberal anti-materialist notion that the law stands above matter. It's almost a sort a cargo-cult legal analysis that focuses on gold-fringed flags. They might as well recite Harry Potter spells to the judge because it'll have the same exact effect. It doesn't even matter if they're actually right because the Bourgeois and their state agents control the courts and legislature at the end of the day.

 No.1803152

Petty-bourgeois consciousness. Gulag

 No.1803154

>>1803077
This. Americans think the constitution, bill of rights especially, is actually anything but the guideline for the bourgeois dictatorship

 No.1803465

>https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-arguments-section-i-a-to-c
>https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-d-to-e
based tax man putting schizos in their place
>uhm I don't actually have to pay my taxes because [insert bullshit here]
<no. also here is the relevant case law

 No.1803512

>>1803465
you are effeminate and a failure of a man. a TRUE man tries to cheat, deceive, trick his way out of (((losing money)))
Also your taxes finance condoms
>>1803152
proles dont have teeth and they reek

 No.1803527

>>1803512
real tax evasion chads write things off on their company etc. can't break the law when the law is written in your favor

 No.1803535

>>1802822
>but I have evidence and proof that the "rising of the moors" movement is based off sovereign city ideas

Ok? Yes one group of reactionary cranks was inspired by another group of reactionary cranks. Sovereign citizens are an amusing brand of delusional but thats it, dime a dozen nothing special ultimately

 No.1803536

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>>1802822
Sovcit logic makes a lot more sense when placed back into its original context of hardcore anti-Semitism. The idea is that there's a separate legal system that ignores all the commonplace laws and holds millions of dollars in your name works a lot better when you have "Jewish bankers secretly rule the world" as the how and why. The father of modern sovcit/free man woo in the U.S. is also Roger Elvick, who turned white nationalist libertarian ideas into an actual tax evasion plan that he sold in the 80s, although some of the ideas come from other fringe groups like LaRouchites.

Like it is true that it's literal crazy people/extremely gullible people believing bizarre things and overlaps with conspiracy theory wackiness, right-wing nonsense, and extreme libertarianism, but there's an underlying logic to it though in that they believe that there are magic words you can say to make the government do your bidding. The believe that they have obtained Forbidden Knowledge that allows them to bind the genie to their will, as it were. If you say the right things than the judge, police officer, government, authority, or whoever has no choice but to let you do whatever you please.

 No.1803552

>Americanons, what do you think of the S.C movements
They're pretty funny to watch in court. Not sure why they think it's totally going to work this time in court when it didn't work last time they were arrested.
>and its applications for leftist militants
lol nothing

 No.1803575

Like what some other anons said earlier, SovCits take the law-centric view of society and the state seriously instead of correctly seeing that it's a just thin ideological & rhetorical justification. Their mythology also includes a "pure" and absolute version of the "real law" that's still in effect (somehow?) centuries later and which is being hidden from the public because widespread knowledge of it would cause the state to just bend the knee or it will suddenly lose its authority, which is just pure idealist and almost platonic drivel.

So they try to counter the state using the dumb rhetoric they think it takes seriously and the "existence" of that "pure and eternal" "law" that the state still has to abide by. So how does this praxis look like? Well they just use magic words and sequences of these words as legal arguments in the framework of that eternal law as some sort of IRL cheat codes that supposedly would cause the actually-existing courts to release and acquit them.

Also may I just remind you that the real law they take seriously and abide by is the Magna Carta and the US Constitution (without the amendments)? Obviously not very socialist or even anti-state, really.
They're honestly the biggest proof that no matter how "anti-establishment" and "anti-system" lolberts and rightoids say they are, they will always be spooked one way or another.

 No.1804381

>>1802838
lumpen consciousness


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