No.1805371
Chile elected a socialist government in 1970 and it was overthrown in 1973. The lesson is economic development also brings with it development in state security that will suppress socialist movements.
No.1805374
>>1805371There are some interesting cases where an actually socialist party becomes the ruling party, although should this be considered a socialist revolution for the sake of analysis? Maybe….
No.1805375
China is getting there.
No.1805389
Carnation Revolution in Portugal is an interesting case study.
Developed nations tend to have more resilient states (ideological and otherwise) overall so that at a cursory glance explains the issue of having a revolution in them. As for the second question, is there an alternative?
No.1805406
>>1805371Italy was a bee's dick away immediately post-WWII from electing a Communist government.
Got rolled by Marshall Plan goons.
No.1805416
>>1805368I think we should generalise the concept of popular socialist movement. Maybe there isn't much difference between "revolutionary" and "reformist". And it's just two ways it can manifest, sometimes intelocking each other. I consider the wave of socdem parties in Europe and the US in the 2010s a popular movement. Did it fail? Well yes, but like many other revolutions. Has anyone developed a more hollistic theory about reform and revolution?
No.1805435
Socialist revolutions mostly take place in agrarian societies. It turns out that socialism is a great tool for the development of an industrial system in a feudal/backward unstable state. Normally there is some form of industrialization taking place - russia, china, north Korea. All went through this. But it is not to its fullest extent. Socialism is like throwing diesel fuel onto a small bushfire. Industrialization takes full swing in the socialist system compared to capitalism which develops slowly over time.
No.1805483
>>1805435>Diesel fuelDiesel doesn't burn unless vaporised and pressurised
No.1805490
>>1805483wrong. there are many ways to make diesel burn
>heat it up to its flash point>add a wick>add an oxidizer No.1805503
>>1805435Thinking socialism is the solution for industrial growth in underdeveloped countries is outdated. India and China attempted to mimic Stalin's industrial strategy but it ended up causing massive humanitarian disasters and weak industrial development.
No.1805505
>>1805371>Chile elected a socialist government in 1970XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
No.1805507
There was a short wave of proletarian revolutions at the beginning of the 20th century and the only revolution that led to a DotP was Russia which quickly degenerated when they couldn't expand socialism to the rest of the world.
>>1805374Lol, no.
No.1805510
>>1805503idk about india, but Mao was just retarded, I mean shooting the fucking birds, really? Guy should've been ousted right there and then.
No.1805513
>>1805510> but Mao was just retarded, I mean shooting the fucking birds, really? I'd like a book on this out of curiosity.
My assumption has been that the peasants complained of pests so the party thought to kill them.
No.1805514
>>1805510>Guy should've been ousted right there and then.If they had a system where le surpreme leader was responsible for agricultural policy, the whole system should be ousted
No.1805517
>>1805510Mao was retarded just by virtue of all the garbage he wrote.
No.1805562
>>1805513Pretty sure number 1 rule of Stalinist modernization(that Mao seemed to want to emulate) is "never listen to peasants complaints if you want to achieve anything."
No.1805565
>Workers of the world, wait until your countries are capitalist to lose your chains
~ Marx and Engels, 1848
No.1805570
>>1805562>"never listen to peasants complaints if you want to achieve anything."Where is the lie?
No.1805586
>>1805562Stalin's personality cult was so obvious that people like Mao which were his strongest minions were obliged to talk about how suffocating it was.
No.1805676
>>1805671it clearly wasn't industrial capitalist in the same way as say the UK or Germany though, legal serfdom had only been abolished 50 years earlier
No.1805841
Marx never said such thing, you silly menshevik
No.1805844
>>1805671Russia was fully capitalist then. Silly menshevik
No.1805852
>>1805844thats literally what the post says?
No.1805994
>>1805852OP is the menshevik
No.1805999
>>1805938>the spinny thing isn't labeled revolution but the not-spinny thing isthis image will always be funny to me, considering where the world "revolutionary" comes from
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