No.1807066
I learned about Hypernormalisation theory through an Adam Kurtis documentary. It’s about how the west is going through the same thing the USSR went through in the 80’s. We’re living in a failed state, but lie to ourselves to pretend we’re not, because we don’t see any alternatives.
https://youtu.be/to72IJzQT5kI was a berniecrat, long before I even knew who he was.
But now, I see the state is far too enveloped in corruption to be trusted.
It’s like trusting a crackhead to buy your groceries.
A 30 year mortgage rate on a middle class home is going to cost over a million dollars. Which has resulted in an abrupt increase in homelessness.
The state of California spends 55k a year on each homeless person. Which is a bargain compared to the 80k we spent on keeping them in prison. But still far above the median income at 33k a year.
So if you worked hard enough to earn as much as the state spends on the homeless, it would cost 22 years salary to pay off a 30 year mortgage.
The whole pyramid scheme is collapsing and there’s no fucking stopping it. We can’t vote our way out of this mess, because you can’t rewrite the laws of mathematics.
All we can do is acknowledge it and look to build a parallel system to fail into.
No.1807068
lib shit
No.1807071
lib shit that gets a thread because its vaguely leftoid*
No.1807072
>>1807070>wahhh not a real meritocracy i want to be a petit bourgeois parasite but i cant even if i worked hardvery interesting dude
No.1807073
>>1807072Idk man, if you have something to add to the thread, just say it. Otherwise, no right to speak
No.1807074
>>1807072We're Libyans under Qaddafi all petit bourgeois? Home ownership was his only real political red line and principle
No.1807078
>>1807066>We’re living in a failed state, but lie to ourselves to pretend we’re not, because we don’t see any alternatives.Mark Fisher.
>I was a berniecrat, long before I even knew who he was.>But now, I see the state is far too enveloped in corruption to be trusted.Mark Fisher.
>it would cost 22 years salary to pay off a 30 year mortgage. Mark Fisher.
Capitalist Realism.
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>>1807072>meritocracyNot trying to derail the thread, but another day, when i used the word "meritocracy", i should probably had used "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs
", since back then i thought the two meant the same. I was wrong, but still, the principle remains. The idea of equal pay seems utopian. I can't think of an example of a communist/lefty movement that actually provided equal pay, or equal goods to all. In a text i was reading yesterday, i remember this passage:
"“You said that Anarchy will secure economic equality,” remarks your friend. “Does that mean equal pay for all?”
It does. Or, what amounts to the same, equal participation in the public welfare. Because, as we already know, labor is social. No man can create anything all by himself, by his own efforts. Now, then, if labor is social, it stands to reason that the results of it, the wealth produced, must also be social, belong to the collectivity. No person can therefore justly lay claim to the exclusive ownership of the social wealth. It is to be enjoyed by all alike."
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism#toc23The rest of the article begins to talk about the "unknown joys of work", about all man where equal, etc, etc. All of that sounded very utopic to me. I would like to be proven wrong
No.1807096
>>1807070Mr Curtis has explicitly said he is a centrist conservative though
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>>1807078And yet none of you actually read it. Like Zizek's books, it's for social signaling that you are a leftist, but not one of those ebil dogmatic marxists.
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>>1807072>i want to be a petit bourgeois parasite but i cant even if i worked hardBold of you to assume i want material goods of any kind. No one wants to be a proletarian, not even the proletarians. The whole point of communism should be to abolish the class system, so there is no economic exploitation. In capitalism, there is fewer and fewer ways to avoid debt, poverty, long hours of work for little pay, and unemployment. This is not a desirable state, and alternatives, realistical ones, are not inherently "egoist" or "individualistic". That is why the cooperative option, the one that all works gain their fair share of production, is not "Petite bourgeoisie". The liberation of the working class will not happen by the fringe efforts of one, but by a strong union of workers
No.1807102
>>1807096Sorry, who is "Mr Curtis"?
No.1807104
>>1807103Come on man you are not even trying
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>>1807104be deserving of effort
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>>1807097>And yet none of you actually read it.Sorry anon, I have.
You see I brought it up because it is very short and covers the exact same topics OP brought up - belief in no alternative, disillusionment with socdems / liberal elections (in the context of the labour party of the UK) & their corruption, student loans and the housing crisis.
>Like Zizek's books, it's for social signaling that you are a leftist, but not one of those ebil dogmatic marxists.Of couse we gotta denounce those marxist academics - they simply steal the spotlight too much from the coffin of Marx himself.
No.1807114
>Zizek
Heidegger bros are not Marxists anon.
No.1807119
>>1807114Not the one who lumped Zizek with Fisher. Fisher was a martyr against Lacanians and Freudians.
No.1807122
>>1807107You either work on a cooperative, or you work for monopoly corporation/Us govnerment. Anyway, I was brutally humiliated after this incredible debate, there is no way i can recover. My mind is broken, i coped and seethed all over. Its joever
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>>1807123>Studying outside of the historical context they arose inReplace it with only and you get stuck in the past without analyzing the present. Much preferred for denouncing contemporary writers.
>>1807124<Not the one who lumped Zizek with Fisher. Fisher was a martyr against Lacanians and Freudians.Zizek is a comedian with a gimmick. Not a marxist.
No.1807171
>>1807131Honestly, no point in arguing whether he's Marxist or not. He's Marxist or at least understands Marxism very well. More so than most self proclaimed Marxists. That doesn't mean that what he says are in line with communist goals, nor with communist views. He's a Marxist, aligned with NATO etc.
Gatekeeping Marxism just because he roots for the wrong team is not the best reasoning and will get you nowhere.
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>>1807066I think Adam Curtis is pretty good in general and Hypernormalisation is accurate but he is more than a little bit idealist and I dont think its true that it originated with Russia. Russia was just adapting the western strategy of tension. Curtis really emphasizes ideas and propaganda as independently super powerful and doesn't really address the material reality of capitalism. Its really obvious with his stuff about the middle east and war on terror because he separates neoconservative ideology distinct force from imperialism. he is kinda like zizek in that its a good study of psychology or the propaganda model by itself but doesn't reintegrate the understanding back to the mode of production
No.1807180
>failed state
>society collapsing
>the system is broken
So agree with the choods
No.1807219
>>1807180Call me a chinlet if you want, but tell me where I’m wrong.
Personally, I’m not a doomer. I think a natural collapse would purge the toxins from the system. That’s why boom/bust cycles are important.
The state has fucked us over by preventing the bust cycles that would’ve lowered housing prices. Now a generation is priced out of home ownership.
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>I think a natural collapse would purge the toxins from the system.
libshit
No.1807258
>>1807066This doc takes me back to the old /leftypol/ days. It was quite popular on here.
No.1807261
>>1807258Shilled by the same 3 posters over and over. You could say in a similar vein that "google bookchin" was popular.
No.1807265
somewhat true
hysterical devotion to some abstract order is stronger now than it used to be, i think
but it's just vibes, really
No.1807275
The propaganda machine has fully enveloped most boomers and as the demographics get younger it's less effective. Even still, most millennials more or less accept the "background radiation" part of the ideology, the basic assumptions of it. There seems to be a bit of a break between millennials and zoomers or within the zoomers where most people younger than the break actually ignore and disregard those basic assumptions. That doesn't mean they're based or not propagandized, but they were the kids who grew up online and instead are sucked into the social media hypernormalization instead of the MSM one. The upshot of this is that as much dumb bullshit as you find on tiktok and twitter, you actually do get a lot of legitimate criticism and countersignaling, and the youngest generation does seem overall to be getting more radicalized by the internet (which is a big reason politicians are so upset about it).
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>>1807124>Shills for NATO>Shills for Israel>says th most racist shit possible against Russians and Arabs All in the same episode
No.1807366
>>1807066Radlibs really want to attach new labels to make the propaganda they fell for feel grander than it truly is. Lenin described the situation perfectly: imperialist states used their immense profits from dependent countries to buy loyalty of a portion of the working class. Everything else is superficial. As you can see, the propaganda that worked on previous generations doesn't work on zoomers nearly as well.
The video is libshit, using words like "powerful new individualism" and saying unsubstantiated bullshit about the USSR. Many, perhaps most zoomers are well aware of the alternatives to the current political system and on board with one of them. The establishment knows this well, which results in dark Brandon and other attempts to stay cool with the kids. It wasn't correct when it came out and it certainly isn't today.
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>>1807366 (me)
The very propaganda the west is using right now is very different from end of history bullshit. No one believes in it today. The problem is that there's no actual alternative because there is no vanguard party.
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>>1807066Curtis is an Anglo-Zionist illuminatus, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he has to say.
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>>1807171Honestly, no point in arguing whether he's Marxist or not. He's Marxist or at least understands Marxism very well. More so than most self proclaimed Marxists. That doesn't mean that what he says are in line with communist goals, nor with communist views. He's a Marxist, aligned with imperialism etc.
Gatekeeping Marxism just because he roots for the wrong team is not the best reasoning and will get you nowhere.
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