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 No.1815724

Often times third worldists/maoists will point to the general failure of communism in the imperial core as a reason to concentrate more on the periphery of empire rather then the first world.
As I recently started to go over past succesful communist revolutions and it seems to me that Cuba (by a pretty large margin) was probably the most developed nation there has ever been a succesful revolution in. By the 1950s Cuba had moved past a pure agriculture or even production economy into a service economy in many ways not unlike many smaller western europea nations today. At the time of the revolution cuba was one of the most developed nations in south america.
This got me thinking, if this is true, what lessons should first world Marxists learn from the cuban revolution?
Is it worth it to alley with populists and nationalists in the west as Fidel did in cuba?
Or is there some other material condition that makes this unworkable for us today??

 No.1815727

The funny thing is that the Cuban Revolution wasn't even communist, Fidel Castro only turned to Marxism-Leninism because of USSR influence.

 No.1815731

Batista's state was weak and had no legitimacy as they took over in a blatant coup. There's also the fact that this service economy only existed in Havana and Santiago, the rest of the country had a plantation economy and was in a semi colonial semi feudal situation. Plenty of western groups tried to recreate the raid on Moncada and ended up dead and in jail for their efforts.

 No.1815732

>>1815727
China wasn't going to stick it's neck out for Cuba even if it had the resources at the time (which it didn't, the Korean War was very costly)

 No.1815733

i feel like lots of south america was ripe to fall to communism, but as you know, the cia and america prevented that by installing right wing dictators.

 No.1815734

I mean we had a revolution in 1918, we just lost

 No.1815735

>>1815724
Cuba was an American controlled mafia state pre-revolution. It was literally occupied by the US after the Spanish-American war and was essentially a client colony. By no means it was ever considered a core country like western Europe.
>By the 1950s Cuba had moved past a pure agriculture or even production economy into a service economy in many ways not unlike many smaller western europea nations today
For American businessmen and the Cuban compradors in Havana. For the rest of the country they were under semi-feudal conditions. The whole gusanos crying they lost their slaves is not an exaggeration.

 No.1815738

Most of russia was semi feudal but saint petersburg and moscoe were very advanced.

 No.1815745

>>1815738
Exactly, Cuba and Russia are more alike then the US and Western Europe. The Russian Empire was a more advanced capitalist country than Cuba and the Russians at least had sovereignty over the country unlike Cuba that was a colony of the US. You are better learning from the German Revolution then the Russian Revolution let alone the Cuban Revolution.

 No.1815749

>>1815745
Communism had to be brought to Germany by Soviet troops, it'll probably be something similar for most of Europe, Japan, and North America

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>>1815731
>There's also the fact that this service economy only existed in Havana and Santiago, the rest of the country had a plantation economy and was in a semi colonial semi feudal situation.
True but but of the 5,000,000 people who lived in Cuba in 1953 1,235,000 lived in Havanah:
>https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/20870/havana/population
and 165,000 lived In Santiago
>https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/20876/santiago-de-cuba/population
Thats well over 20%/ 1/5th of the population livng in an urban service economy and your also leaving out the processing of sugar cain which was also done on the island which is industrial production rather then agricultural work.
Again not saying Cuba was at the level of economic development of the United States or the UK but this still leaps and bounds above where china or russia were durring their revolutions.
It seems to be the nation with the highest percapita GDP of any nation to ever have a communist revolution.
(be interested if anyone has a counter example to this as I cant find any)

 No.1815759

>>1815735
>For American businessmen and the Cuban compradors in Havana. For the rest of the country they were under semi-feudal conditions.
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>>1815755

 No.1815965

>>1815724
Many Cuban refugees still lobby the US government to keep the embargo going.

 No.1816108

>>1815732 (bot)
>non-seq
>>1815965 (bot)
>non-seq

>>1815734
>headlinefag
Back to reddit.com. OP even specifically said 'successful', multiple times.

 No.1817862

Czechoslovakia in 1948 would've been further on the road of capitalist development than Cuba in the 1950s no?

 No.1817984

>>1815724
>Was Cuba the Most Advanced Capitalist Country to ever have a Revolution?
not really, cuba was mostly plantations and a mafia resort for US tourist wanting sun and cheap whores, it was really not that advanced at all

 No.1818594

>>1815724
As it was said. Checkoslowakia and the German revolution
>>1815731
Rest in power to all those crazy and brave guys who tried focoism (literally 8/10 LATAM countries in that era)

 No.1826979

The Cuban economy before the revolution had much of its land in latifunia plantation, so it still was quite unindustrializedk on the eve of the takeover communist .militants'


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