No.1842810[Last 50 Posts]
I know i know irrelevant shithole in the middle east and whatever but on the other hand
https://lefteast.org/unrest-georgia-foreign-influence-transparency-law/This article lays things out very nicely
No.1842817
im not reading all that
im instead listening to it in a song
https://suno.com/song/bfd4c064-6005-4279-8d97-c2e3d1bcf3a7 No.1842865
>>1842810EU was the very last thing on the horizon of imperialism and reaction Lenin could see back in the day. Anyone who supports "eurointegration" is a tool of the strongest reaction the world has seen to date. Most countries with current bans of communist parties and symbols are in EU or "aspiring" - like Georgia. It's unfortunate that these people won't be met with appropriate levels of violence.
No.1842868
>>1842865the strongest left wing factions in georgia are anarchists and its a damn shame
No.1842871
Thanks OP, it is very interesting.
I was in Tbilisi last month, had a great time as a tourist, but as a /leftypol/tard, I could notice something was off.
I never saw so many EU flags in one city, and I live in the EU. There is even a NATO flag on Liberty Square, and I think the only other time I saw one was in Brussels.
One night, I saw a protest in front of the parliament, asked a couple of students what was going on, they told me it's about the "Russian law", explained it a bit to me, then asked for my opinion, and it was very painful to tell them that while I hate Putin, I also hate the EU and NATO, and that I don't think joining the EU will save Georgia because I still remember what happened to Greece in 2008.
When I came back home, I started browsing /r/Sakartvelo to get news about the situation, I saw the protests got more intense, but it was depressing, I never saw so many liberals cheering for Western influence in their country, being very Russophobic even though most of the Russian migrants I've met in Tbilisi were chill artists who hate their own government.
But now, with this article, everything clicks into place.
Indeed, you can see that NGOs have a disproportionate amount of influence on Georgian politics, and they don't seem to care about real economic issues — the villages near the Armenian border are probably the poorest places I've seen in my life, and I've been to Africa once — it's all very partisan, but devoid of a real program to help the population rise up from their persistent depression.
It's not so surprising to learn both Georgian Dream and the opposition are neoliberal to the core. After all, it's a classic tactic of the bourgeoisie, to spur a political conflict over something that distracts from economic issues, then once the common people think they won an arduous battle against their government, they continue to eat shit as usual, while the rich opportunistically switch sides when needed.
The wound of the 2008 Russo-Georgian war is still deeply felt by Georgian people, which is completely understandable, but that means it can also be used to prop up an indefinite neoliberal status quo that will never be questioned.
This quote from the article is pretty heartbreaking:
>Why would the World Bank rehabilitate a wing of our hospital? Our hospital supposedly had the budget to do this on its own, but now we don’t know what became of that money. We are not told how the budgets are spent or how decisions are made. When they needed us during COVID, we were called irreplaceable. Now, we are disposable.
Indeed, and how would joining EU help about that either? That's what I said to the students: if you join the EU, you will have strong limitations on what your government can do fiscally, and you will probably end up being exploited with no means to, for example, boost domestic demand with Keynesian policies, it's simply impossible if you sign the EU treaties. It might scare Putin, but economically speaking, it won't make the situation better.
Then there is this other passage:
>Then again, many Georgians out in the street with their EU flags have less metaphysical and rather earthier concerns: in recent surveys, Georgians rank the opportunity to emigrate as their number one reason for wanting to join the EU. Indeed, Georgians have been “voting with their feet”—in 2021 and 2022 alone, more than 5% of the population left, most of them into grim shadow labor markets in Europe.
So it seems that what pro-EU Georgians envision as a future is becoming like these Polish workers in the UK, being paid below the market rate of the country they are emigrating to, instead of envisioning a better future for their own country. Goddamn, Georgian politics are so depressing.
Sorry for this long-ass blogpost, but I knew nothing about Georgia before, had an unforgettable experience there, and I'm trying to make sense of what is going on.
I have one question: Are Georgians aware that if they join the EU, they will abide by the rules of the Schengen Area, which will forbid Russians to come to Georgia without a visa?
They are many Russians who came to Georgia to avoid drafting, some of them have a lot of money, and they love to go to Batumi. I know most Georgians don't like Russians, who tend to stay in their own little communities and not make an effort about the language and so on, but I don't think joining the EU would boost tourism from Western Europe, especially as we already have the right to stay in Georgia for a year visa free (and God, maybe I should have said "fuck it" and stayed in Tbilisi while I still had the opportunity).
Are Georgians really willing to isolate themselves from the Russians who hate their government?
No.1842881
>>1842871I’m sure they are. As your mentioned in your comment one of the main things that makes EU attractive to georgians is the ability to leave georgia, they probably don’t particularly care what will happen with the russian diaspora or wether ir not it will fuck over russian liberals.
Liberals weren’t particularly sad when Russian draft dodgers were getting fucked over in other countries and sent back to Russia, because they thought that normal Russians getting fucked over was just and that if they got stomped hard enough they would revolt and establish liberalism in Russia, which they didn’t because liberalism is passive and incapable of real action.
No.1843013
>>1842881Makes sense, though I still think it's dumb that a country pissed off about Putin with plenty of Russian dissidents wouldn't want to ally with them or at least tolerate them while they are there, and instead indirectly push them to go back to fight for a war they don't want to fight.
Fun fact: Quite a few "Fuck Russia" graffiti you can see all around Tbilisi are done by Russians, not Georgians. They do it to trigger pro-Putin boomers who come here on vacation.
If you describe the situation this way on /r/Sakartvelo, you will get downvoted, as they are too far up their own asses and want to suck EU cock so bad. On /r/serbia, they are more level-headed and are pissed off at the landlords and the lack of regulation in the real estate market instead of blaming foreigners for rising rents.
>if they got stomped hard enough they would revolt and establish liberalism in Russia, which they didn’t because liberalism is passive and incapable of real action.Well, I don't want to get too confrontational, but many /leftypol/tards like you are idealist/utopian and think revolting is easy, while it's not, and if you have ever been to a protest, you would know you can't topple down your government like this.
In my country, there were a lot of protests last year, coming from every strand of socialism possible, from socdems to anarchists to MLs, almost all labor unions, and we lost. The government just fucked us over after wasting all our tax money on tear gas, grenades and so-called "non-lethal" weapons, and told us to go back to work once they were done with the most intense riots we have seen since the last 60 years.
In Russia, you can get arrested and go to prison for criticizing Putin's government and its policies on social media, especially the war, and land your ass in prison for years. That might very well include anyone who is a good-meaning pro-multipolarity communist wanting to revive the legacy of the USSR too zealously. The Russian government isn't your friend.
Liberals are actually more capable of "real action" than left-wingers because they have a lot of businessmen willing to finance their antics. Hell, speaking of Georgia, you can see that liberals can heavily influence the masses with partisan subjects that completely forego any program regarding political economy, while the left-wing can't do much to propose an alternative to neoliberalism amidst all the chaos.
Georgians have good reasons to hate Russia, but the Russians I've met there were very friendly to me, and don't want to deal with the war and all the propaganda and restrictive laws back home. They don't want anything like another 2008 war, they want to live in peace. It's pretty dumb Georgian liberals don't realize this.
No.1843017
Georgia's current president is their former ambassador from France. No, not the ambassador working for the Georgian ministry of foreign affairs in France but the ambassador for the French government in Georgia, LMAO. Talk about being a fucking neo-colony.
No.1843028
>>1843017I had to read this twice to understand how absurd it is.
No.1843038
>>1843017MACRON CHADS STAY WINNING
No.1843044
>>1843017She was born in France, and studied at Science Po in Paris.
The son of André Glucksmann (an influential French Maoist who turned neolib in the 1970s), Raphaël, was also an advisor to Mikheil Saakachvili between 2008 and 2012, and was married Eka Zgouladze, a Georgian politician who had been involved in Ukrainian politics around 2014.
I don't think "neo-colony" accurately describe what is going on there — unlike West African countries who use the CFA franc as a currency — but EU ghouls definitely have an interest into stirring shit in that part of world, probably to corner the whole Western part of Russia with a series of NATO alliances and especially sell a shitton of weapons to the Georgian government, since France has plenty of big arms manufacturers like Dassault and Thales.
No.1843047
>>1843017they are already well adapted to the level of sovereignty the EU would allow them to have
No.1843050
>>1843044You are right, having a foreign policitian inserted into your government is not neo-colonialism, it's just classic colonialism.
No.1843051
>>1843050I guess the USSR under Stalin was a Georgian colony then.
No.1843055
>>1843051The USSR doesn't count because Affirmative Actions programmes were literally written into its constitution so all minorities were elevated against the majority populations.
No.1843059
>>1843051Was Georgia a foreign country and part of a contained but seperate geopolitical block from the CCCP and was Stalin trained at elite political and diplomat schools with the express purpose to represent and spread Georgian interests at the high levels of the CCCP most of which he spent already doing as an experienced diplomat with connections to the Georgian intelligence services?
No.1843069
>>1843068at last i truly see
No.1843075
>>1843068dayum, I just got redpilled
No.1843078
(((georgians))) are to socialism what the (((irish))) are to capitalism
No.1843079
>>1843078wtf does that even mean
No.1843085
>>1843059Salome Zourabichvili was born from Georgian parents and grew up within the Georgian kulak exile community in Paris. She had both nationalities until she renounced the French one in 2018, when she became president. Funnily enough, she also studied at Columbia University, had courses with Zbigniew Brzezinski.
I didn't any signs in French in Georgia, I met a few people who spoke French, but they all came from outside the EU and weren't related to anything political. It's not a comparable situation to West Africa where the French government truly colonized them for more than a century, and then once they got their formal independence, still have their currency and large swathes of their economy controlled by the French bourgeoisie.
However, yes NGOs financed by EU and US ghouls definitely want to heighten tensions with Russia within the country. Salome herself doesn't matter that much as she doesn't have a majority in parliament, who have voted a law that goes against her interests a couple of weeks ago. What matters are how NGOs are able to construct a dual power outside the Georgian parliamentary system to the point where most young Georgian people unquestionably want to join the EU and start serious protests against their own government, despite the fact that joining the EU won't help their country in any meaningful way, since they will get the same old neoliberalism in the end.
The situation is more complex than "hurr durr it's French neo-colonialism". Read this and OP's article, please:
https://discomfortzone.substack.com/cp/143837943 No.1843160
>>1843136on what legal basis is Macron considering
invading sending troops to another country?
No.1843165
>>1843160Don't think you need to ask colonies for their permission.
No.1843168
>>1843160on what legal basis can america send military aid to the undisclosed nuclear state of israel?
bourgeois laws don't matter
No.1843176
>>1843136Macron also said he would send troops to Ukraine, that he would make it easier for French proles to change jobs by giving them the dole after working 5 years uninterrupted, he also said he would legalize cannabis, that unemployment was at its lowest level since the 2000s, and that he is left-wing and a Maoist. If you believe anything this cocaine addict says, you are a fool.
It's EU technocrats in general who have an interest in destabilizing Georgia, not just France. And if you believe Georgian Dream, who was literally founded by a billionaire, is anti-imperialist and have the best interests of the Georgian people in mind, you need to stop caring about geopolitics, take a step back and reevaluate your life.
No.1843179
>>1843068the gori school of international subversion and nation building
its where stalin was raised and then the mensheviks destroyed it
No.1843183
>>1843176>Macron also said he would send troops to UkraineExactly, and as of today their are hundreds of Western military including French specops stationed in Ukraine according to the German government. What's your point again?
No.1843184
>>1843078Georgians are of the reactionary races (lmao)
No.1843191
>>1843183They are mercenaries and spies, not the regular army. The Russians said they would nuke France if Macron sent the army so he smoked a bit of crack and calmed down.
>What's your point again?That it is silly to say Georgia is a neo-colony of France, the situation is more complex than that and you aren't helping making sense of it with your simplistic way of framing it as such.
No.1843192
>>1843183i will single handedly strangle every single french person using the dry and stringey bagguetes from carefour
No.1843202
>>1843192Why would you eat baguettes in Georgia when you can eat khinkali and kharcho?
No.1843207
>>1843202one im vegan
second i dont but they always have an entire shelf stocked with bagguettes and the garlic ones actually taste nice
also kharcho is a mingrelian meal and those FUCKING KKKRAKKKERS dont desreve any praise
i prefer sacivi
No.1843208
>>1843085>still have their currency and large swathes of their economy controlled by the French bourgeoisie.The president of the Georgian central bank is a board member of the IMF, lul.
No.1843244
>>1843227being a vegan isnt lib, being a militant vegan is
No.1843248
>>1843244name 1 non-lib reason for veganism
No.1843258
>>1843227i will have sex with your mother
No.1843261
>>1843258lib
and a necrophile!
No.1843263
>>1843261name one non-lib reason for necrophilia being bad
No.1843328
>>1843242Have you ever been there? I almost wanted to join a NGO to bring them coke, burgers and freedoms when I crossed the border.
No.1843339
>>1842871>if you join the EU, you will have strong limitations on what your government can do fiscally, and you will probably end up being exploited with no means toWe are aware that we won't be completely if we join EU. Seems like you're completely unaware of the current situation which is much worse than anything EU restrictions can bring. You're basically arguing that being like Belarus is better than Estonia. If your argument is that we have no chance of joining the EU then that's fair but you sound like you believe we'll be worse off in the EU. We have to choose between the EU and being a Russia's vassal state, which we kind of are already but it's getting worse each year.
No.1843382
>>1843339>frames it as "joining" the EU>the alternative is being "a vassal of russia"shitlib alert
No.1843470
>>1843382I mean at least the EU pretends to be an alliance of equals, Russia doesn't.
No.1843596
>>1843382Many of Russia's neighboring countries hate Russia. Can so many be wrong? I don't think so.
No.1844087
>>1843596Edgy Russia apologists keep talking about Nato expansion without realizing that it's expanding only because Russia is giving its neighbors many reasons to seek protection from the west. All post-soviet countries need to choose to either integrate in the west or be like Belarus.
No.1844106
>>1844087>You're basically arguing that being like Belarus is better than Estoniaunironically yes. The economic policies that Belarus is able to do would be impossible to do in Estonia due to EU policy.
>>1844087>it's expanding only because Russia is giving its neighbors many reasons to seek protection from the west.and South Ossetia and Abkhazia had to seek protection from Georgia.NATO was expanding before Russia became a giant boogeyman btw and it seems you people are still mad that Russia came to support the autonomy of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
No.1844107
Georgian nationalists are a good example of why support for the EU is fascism. Crack their skulls as Stalin did.
No.1844109
Europe is so fucked. It's nationalism all the way down. I'm so tired of nations
No.1844110
>>1844087>All post-soviet countries need to choose to either integrate in the west or be like Belarus"be like belarus"?
you mean prosperous and not a war torn hellhole like ukraine?
No.1844129
>>1844110>prosperousAre you stupid?
>unironically yes. The economic policies that Belarus is able to do would be impossible to do in Estonia due to EU policy. What policies? Estonia has much better economy and living standards in every way.
No.1844182
>>1843339Qoqra go away youre a lib
No.1844183
>>1844129>>1844114Go get drafted and die in Ukraine. You think theres any stopping the war train? Energy and food costs are obliterating the wages of EU countries right now, which makes me think that you’re a dirty burger.
You’re probably a dirty burger.
No.1844207
>>1844183>Energy and food costs are obliterating the wages of EU countries right nowYou have no clue what you're talking about unless you're from a post-soviet shithole like me. You have no idea what you already have.
I'm Georgian and will probably get drafted and die when Russia most likely invades us in a few years. We weren't discussing whether or not we could integrate with the west, we were talking about if it's a good thing to do so for a post-soviet country (assuming you can do it) using examples like Belarus and Estonia. But apparently you have no reading comprehension you worthless pile of shit.
No.1844364
>>1844183Yes, it's terrible. We are starving right now and froze to death the year before because no Russian gas to huff.
No.1844438
>>1844207buddy friend comrade ყლეო listen
there will be no draft and there will be no invasion why the fuck would russia want to invade us?
if what youre saying is true and that we are a russian puppet state then we have no reason to fear russian invasion
if we are super pooper dooper close to eu and thus we must sacrifcie our children on the altar of neo liberalism then im okay with a russian invasion and infact i will welcome the russian army
why the fuck are you on leftypol anyway? r/rustaveli is more your speed
No.1844455
>>1844129>EstoniaNot gonna invest in your dying country dog
No.1844458
>>1843470>EU pretends to be an alliance of equals, Russia doesn't.Lel
No.1844504
>>1843596Ha, good one man
No.1844506
I laughed
No.1844561
>>1844207Please read at least some fucking theory and don't be a liberal. The very idea of aspiring to be like Estonia, a country that lost 15% of its population in 30 peaceful years, is utterly insane, even worse when you remember that it's 30% in Latvia. It's depressing to see people actually justify death of their own countries.
No.1844590
Georgia accuses Washington of trying to spark ‘two revolutions’ Washington has backed two “revolution attempts” in Georgia over the past years, the nation’s prime minister, Irakli Kobakhidze, said on Saturday. A successful coup would have turned the former Soviet state into another bridgehead used to open “the second front” against Moscow, he warned.
The statements came as Kobakhidze discussed the present American attitude toward recent developments in his nation with Derek Chollet, the counselor of the US State Department, the prime minister said on X (formerly Twitter). Washington’s current rhetoric reminds him of previous “false” statements made by US officials that had already led to “violence,” he added.
“Two revolution attempts of 2020-2023 [were] supported by the former US Ambassador and those carried out through NGOs financed from external sources,” Kobakhidze said in his post. “Had these attempts been successful, the second front line would have been opened in Georgia.”
The prime minister did not specify which specific events he was referring to. Georgia has seen several waves of massive protests, in which demonstrators demanded the government’s resignation or early elections, and eventually descended into violence.
In November 2020, massive demonstrations broke out in the capital Tbilisi after the first round of national parliamentary elections saw the ‘Georgian Dream’ party gain more than 48% of the vote. The opposition then claimed the elections were rigged and demanded the head of the Central Elections Commission resign and that parliamentary elections be held anew.
In February 2021, massive clashes erupted, again in Tbilisi, as Georgian police stormed the main office of the opposition United National Movement (UNM) and detained party leader Nikanor (Nika) Melia. The politician was accused of inciting riots in the capital two years ago, in 2019.
In March 2023, the Georgian capital saw large-scale protests against a “foreign agents” bill. At that time, the parliamentary majority voted in favor of the bill, which requires any organization receiving more than 20% of its funding from abroad to register as a foreign agent. Opposition politicians denounced the proposal as copying a Russian law, arguing this was somehow endangering Georgian democracy and Euro-Atlantic integration.
The developments saw thousands of people join the protests, which quickly turned violent, resulting in dozens of arrests. The bill was then withdrawn by MPs at that time.
Similar events unfolded on Wednesday, when lawmakers approved the same bill on its second reading. The capital was quickly thrown into turmoil, with demonstrators seeking to break into parliament and clashing with the police.
“False statements made by the officials of the US State Department about the transparency bill and street rallies remind us of similar false statements made by the former US Ambassador in 2020-2023, which served to facilitate violence from foreign-funded actors and to support revolutionary processes back then,” Kobakhidze said, commenting on the situation.
Former American envoy to Tbilisi, Kelly Degnan, repeatedly commented on Georgia’s internal affairs and was particularly vocal about the “foreign agents” bill, which she compared to “similar legislation in Russia,” claiming that it would have a “devastating impact” on rights groups. She also maintained that Georgia does not need “any version” of it.
Washington also criticized a new attempt to adopt the bill in May. “We are deeply concerned about this legislation – what it could do in terms of stifling dissent and free speech,” White House national security spokesman John Kirby said this week.
A new US ambassador to Georgia, Robin Dunnigan, who took over from Degnan in 2023, also warned that the Georgian government’s choices “have moved the country away from its Euro-Atlantic future.”
https://swentr.site/russia/597004-georgian-us-spark-two-revolutions/ No.1844950
>>1844590there was a recent attempt (in december of last year if i remember right or maybe november) by the ukrop horde called "Georgian legion" to try and overthrow the government by forcing unrest and killing civilians which would then be used by them as justification to overthrow the government
i dont want to live in an ukrop puppet regime bros….
No.1844997
>>1844561>a country that lost 15% of its populationExplain how this problem is relates Estonia leaning towards the EU/NATO, and how settling with Russia would've solved this problem.
No.1845040
>>1844997liberal please leave
No.1845127
>>1844207>i believe war with russia is inevitable unless we join russia/belarus<so we must not join russia/belarus and continue to antagonize them through NATO and EUwhy though? are you suicidal?
you recognize the problem, why are you incapable of seeing the solution?
No.1845188
>>1842881I suspect the EU/NATO would try and stop everyone from just leaving. You can't run a proxy war without the human shields.
No.1845191
>>1845127>why are you incapable of seeing the solution?The solution to a problem statement that you made up loosely based on my post? Why would I do that?
No.1845212
>>1845191>I'm Georgian and will probably get drafted and die when Russia most likely invades us in a few yearswhy do you think that is?
why did the russo-georgian war in 2008 happen? something something NATO expansion?
No.1845215
>>1844590The simple fact that the US is making statements about the laws in ramen-speak Georgia makes me believe theyre doing color revolution shit. Why else would they give a shit about a place like Georgia.
No.1845222
>>1844207>Estonia<After independence in 1991, the Estonian government granted Estonian citizenship to the persons who resided in the country before its annexation by the Soviet Union in 1940, as well as to their descendants. Those who could not prove that or arrived after 1940 and their children born in Estonia or elsewhere could acquire Estonian citizenship on condition that they be proficient in the Estonian language and know the country's history. But about 125,000 people (most but not all of whom were Russian speakers) who failed the tests or refused to take them have become stateless, or “non-citizens”, who hold a grey passport. You are all liberals now, the USSR is long gone. Maybe the problem with the butthurt belt is the
butthurt.
No.1845550
>>1844207Georgia is de facto an EU country already.
Nothing about the EU favours the working class.
No.1845570
>>1842810I love how much Georgia liberals are coping about how they’re totally not fifth columnist and western proxies while seething about how their bribes from the west and other US state department backed NGOs are being forced into the light. It’s amazing.
If they’re so keen on being “non biased” why would they hide their western backers lol?
It’s even funnier because they already taken power in Georgia before through a color revolution. But their rule is so fucking disgustingly corrupt and inept that the people immediately voted the pro Russian proxies back in power.
No.1845598
>>1844364The Ukraine war is a giganic huge enormous stinky pile of strategic and geopolitical doodoo.
The European economy is dependent of cheap Russian gas. LNG is much more expensive by a long shot. All major EU economies are in a recession, that will never stop EVER, because Russian gas will never return.
War broke out after negotiations broke down, the US promised Ukraine full material support, so Zelensky went hardliner.
What happened instead was a drip feed because the combined West cannot even restock artillery shells.
It’s not gonna get better from here on out, it’s gonna get way worse until both you and me are freezing for real in some trench.
No.1845599
>>1845215Yes that's the reality of being a country like Georgia. You don't really have sovereignty and you are forced to pick sides to choose who has the most control over your country. And most of the population prefers the west over Russia (along with most of the Russia's neighbors).
No.1845602
>>1843339>if we join EU>We have to choose between the EU and being a Russia's vassal state, which we kind of are already but it's getting worse each year.>>1843470>I mean at least the EU pretends to be an alliance of equals, Russia doesn't.>>1843596>Many of Russia's neighboring countries hate Russia. Can so many be wrong? I don't think so.>>1844087>Russia is giving its neighbors many reasons to seek protection from the west. All post-soviet countries need to choose to either integrate in the west or be like Belarus.>>1844207>we were talking about if it's a good thing to do so for a post-soviet country (assuming you can do it) using examples like Belarus and Estonia.How does someone even get to believe these things.
>>1844438It must be very hard being a Georgian leftist…..
No.1845606
>>1845599More than picking sides between Russia and the west, it seems Russia has less power over Georgia and the US/NATO/EU want to use Georgians as cannon fodder against Russia. The sides here really are US/NATO/EU, which implies Georgian total death, death of the countries economy, total neocolonial extraction, vs some semblance of sovereignty, the chance of economic prosperity, etc. This idea that Russia controls all the ex-soviet nations is such a fucking fake lie cooked up by western NGOs and it's so fucking obvious. It's baffling that people believe it when you look at the cold hard facts of how these ex-soviet countries are essentially western vassal states doing the west's bidding.
There are literally EU flags flying at the Georgian senate building! Not only there but everywhere around the capital, the state has erected monuments with Georgian and EU flags. Tbilisi has a NATO and EU """information center""" right at the heart of the city.
Where is this so called Russian influence? Where is this "Russian side". There is none. Georgia is fully a western imperialist vassal state and any attempts to gain a modicum of national sovereignty, like disclosing the funding of NGOs, which are mostly funded directly by US state dept and state intelligence agencies, is hilariously blamed on "Russian influence" in the government.
It's such a fucking farce, so transparently ridiculous. Worse part is that I know several Georgians personally and they fucking buy this "Russian law" bullshit, and joined the protests against it.
How a people can be so thoroughly and deeply colonized that it fights tooth and nail to protect their colonized status is truly mind boggling.
No.1845608
>>1845606>Where is this "Russian side".Russia backed an ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia in 1992 and has been using separatist groups to control territories in the Caucasus region since the USSR fell. They occupied 20% of the Georgian territory in 2008 and have been kidnapping and killing people on the border ever since. They literally push the border (a barbed wire) into the country more and more to the point where some who've lived in Georgia their whole lives end up on the Russian territory and they won't let them cross the "border".
>NGOs, which are mostly funded directly by US state dept and state intelligence agenciesBecause Georgia is asking them to do so, that is literally their goal to get protection from at all costs.
No.1845622
>>1845606What a load of horseshit. Georgia hasn't even 4 million inhabitants, there is no human basis for cannon fodder against 144 million Russians.
Russia used its barely 4 million novorossians as cannon fodder against Ukraine and that lasted barely throughout 2022.
Classical accuse your enemies of what you are doing.
No.1845635
>>1845608>They occupied 20% of the Georgian territory in 2008Georgia started that war and South Ossetia was always autonomous.
No.1845646
>>1845608That's Russia moving borders externally. Where's the Russian influence in Georgian politics? The claim is that there's a "Russian side" vs NATO/Western vassal side Georgians are being forced into. Your post is a non sequitor. Please try again.
>>1845622There absolutely is a basis for it, and further, the NATOization of Georgia means that their country is essentially under NATO's command structure, which means that NATO troops are interoperable. It also means heavy armament against Russia.
Even so, how do you explain the billions flowing into Georgia in the form of psychological operations, policy meddling, propaganda, into Georgia by NATO/EU/US? They're not doing it for fun or pleasure, nor for the improvement of the lives of Georgians. So what is the motivation to send such vast sums of money to a country the size of a medium-tier city?
No.1845684
>>1845622>Russia used its barely 4 million novorossians as cannon fodder against Ukraine and that lasted barely throughout 2022.What the fuck are you even saying here? Are you saying that Russia sent like, 500.000 - 1 million men from the new territories to the front and they were all killed by glorious defenders of evropa in a single year?
I don't even think
Zelensky says shit like that.
I know liberals are delusional, but holy shit. Just don't fucking get 12 CIA bases on your territory and openly prepare to carry out genocide. Putin is more than willing to overlook shit that people will have to deal with later if it's not actively blowing up in his face, like wahhabism and the very dangerous situation in Armenia, and Ukraine itself for 8 yeats.
No.1845689
>>1845684 (me)
>Just don't fucking get 12 CIA bases on your territory and openly prepare to carry out genocide.And even then, he fucking tolerated that shit for 8 years. Putin is the most liberal leader Russia will ever have, even Yeltsin was going into Serbia and trading with Iran. You don't know how good you have it.
No.1845723
>>1845684Donezk and Lugansk have 4 million inhabitants together, out of which some more than 100.000 were mobilized and they were rendered combat ineffective by the end of the year 2022 due to heavy fighting against Ukraine with 40 million inhabitants. 4 million is just not enough to sustain a war with a country ten times the size, let alone Russia with 144 million. It's just utterly laughable that tiny Georgia was any danger to Russia.
No.1845730
>>1845723NAFO pls. The tie eating NAFO sock puppet who ruled Georgia back then on behalf of the West started shelling South Ossetia in order to annex it. Medwedew sent the RUAF in because tiny South Ossetia had no chance against Georgia. So it was basically exactly the same situation as in 2022 before Cucktin started the "SMO": a NATO vassall attacked a Russian vassall right on Russia's border. Both South Ossetia and Georgia are located on a strategically important position under Russia's southern belly, much like Ukraine is bordering Russia in West. Maybe NATO was just testing in 2008 the Russian bear, maybe the plan was to actually annex S-O. The current Georgian govt seems to be a lot smarter than the previous one lead by the tie eater and you're salty about it because they won't provoke another war. Liberals are disgusting.
No.1845735
>>1845602>It must be very hard being a Georgian leftistplease god let it end
Please god let grisha oniani lead a revolution im fucking tired of these liberals
STALIN STALIN HELP CHAIRMAN STALIN PLEASE
all jokes aside it is fucking insane how many people think they are leftists and socialists but are actually liberals
ive been banned from the biggest "socialist" movement because i said i would trade my Georgian citizenship for a soviet one no questions asked
No.1845738
>>1845608>ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhaziadude we were doing the exact same during Gamsakhurdia we burned villages and killed everyone
please stop you are literally making being Georgian equivalent to being polish :(
No.1845744
>>1845730>Ossetian secession from Georgia is le good>Donbas secession from Ukraine is le good>transnistrian secession is le good also>Chechen, Baltic and whatnot 1990s secession from Russia is le bad of courseCuckssia is just abusing ethnic strife to subdue neighboring regions because they're still butthurt about losing territories in the 90s.
Reminder: Cuckssia is not the moral or sole successor of the Soviet Union and I have no obligation to soyjak for this liberal shithole just because they fly a red flag some times.
Shit country. If they want good relations with Georgia, maybe offer some decent economic incentives or make CSTO more than the running gag it has become in Armenia.
No.1845890
>>1843136Fuck! Little Napoleon IV is so out of his mind that he wants to send the Foreign Legion to Atlanta… That's something crazy even for today's world standards!
>>1843160The Divine Right of French Presidents/Kings/Emperors. And the unconditional love he feels for his Brigitte, who by the way he only married to cover for his otherwise well known homosexuality. Nothing more, nothing less.
No.1845892
>>1845744You can, however, be a materialist and see that "eurointegration" can only happen only in bourgeois interest. The working class is only further driven into slavery by an alliance of imperialists that supports utterly reactionary anticommunist regimes with German workers' money.
>Cuckssia is just abusing ethnic strife to subdue neighboring regions because they're still butthurt about losing territories in the 90s.If there is any self-awareness in your brain at all, just think about how childish this sounds. "They're just butthurt" is not how you explain politics. It's also completely on-brand for liberals, you physically can't understand the actual forces behind economics and politics.
The last sentence is especially terrible, uygha really stares neocolonialism in its face and says "looks good to me, Russia better step up". Africans are fighting and dying to get out of these financially incentivizing institutions right now.
Either way, what you in particular think on the issue doesn't matter - history is already proving that "western" (imperialist) economic integration destroys the productive base and the population in decades, and "western" military integration does the exact same thing in mere years. You will be remembered as sad cargo cultists who seriously hurt their countries, but hopefully didn't have enough power to destroy them completely. I hope the Georgian people won't have to die in hundreds of thousands before this understanding is achieved as Ukrainians do.
No.1845896
>>1845881Oh, crap! I mixed my Georgias up! Let's fix that!
>>1845890>The Divine Right of French Presidents/Kings/Emperors. And the unconditional love he feels for his Brigitte, who by the way he only married to cover for his otherwise well known homosexuality. Nothing more, nothing less.And I forgot to mention Fr
once taking a huge L all across Africa these days and their troops told to get the fuck out by country after country, so he feels the need to compensate and know that there will always be some
outremer place where French troop
stand strong or some rubbish like that.
No.1845933
>>1845892>Africans are fighting and dying to get out of these financially incentivizing institutions right now.Unlike Russia, they don't wage war while ranking 179/209 on the global fertility index, even though Russia ran some of the most agressive government incentives to increase birth rates.
The west is dumb and doomed, but not outright suicidal. At this rate they go extinct before the French and British. Also, the Russian economy civlilian sector is incredibly liberal.
>utterly reactionary anticommunist regimesUnited Russia and their associated oligarchy would kill every communist in the country before letting them run the government.
No.1845945
>>1845933>The west is dumb and doomed, but not outright suicidalt. troll
or
t. someone clearly knowing jack shit about muh west
No.1846014
>>1845933This shit is probably the best explanation of people acting out another class' interests. You just have to keep attacking Russia on behalf of your master. No point in the message was addressed.
We all know Russia is liberal. Of course the bourgeois class would fight for its power. Not even the most delusional /ukraine/ posters deny it. But it doesn't jail all people who dare be communist in public on principle, unlike Poland and other regimes, especially Ukraine. Russia is pretty much trying to be like the United States in this regard, which is obviously terrible, but communists can at least go outside and openly talk to people. Eastern European reactionary states don't allow that. They also openly cultivate ethnic hatred.
The suicidal part is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with anything said, and neither does the ongoing conflict have a significant impact on fertility rates or the population unless you believe Ukrainian cope about 500 billion Russians dead.
No.1856258
So what is happening in Georgia and why are people protesting against a law that would show whether politicians are getting paid by other states or not? Is there something I'm not getting?
No.1856262
>Hundreds of thousands of people have taken to the streets. Georgia’s past feels very present.
>The protest group in which Iurevicz is active is called Georgian Students for a European Future. It is regarded as centrist, but the ideological underpinnings of this uprising cannot be pigeonholed. There is the Students for Liberty, which has some libertarian tendencies, and a group called Wave, which includes environmentalists but vehemently describes itself as “not leftist”.>The Franklin Group, named after Benjamin Franklin, a signatory to the American Declaration of Independence, promotes free markets, private property, and individual liberties, while the Shame group focuses on free and fair elections. Dafioni, or Sunset, describes itself as liberal nationalist and members swear an oath of allegiance.https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/16/georgia-gen-z-drives-protests-against-return-to-past-foreign-agents-law No.1856269
>>1856258NED and europe funding most NGOs to turn the country against russia (and toward neolib policies), much like ukraine
turns out paying people to get their support works, and it doesnt even cost that much in small relatively poor countries
No.1856830
>>1856262>The Franklin Groupi used to fuck a girl from that group
she was so fucking moronic it was insuferable to listen to her
every time she would say or post some moronic "invisible hand of the free market" thing id call her out and she would get mad
oh how the time flies
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