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 No.505792[View All]

Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.

Original post:
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/
Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/
US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/
Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/
Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/
CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/
Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/
Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/
US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/
US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/
Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

To check for news: https://liveuamap.com/es
To check for (military) planes: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.

Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.

Btw this also applies to China.
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 No.506373

>>506368
Lenin was entirely against Russian nationalism and chauvinism
lol, there is a post in the QTDDTOT that contradicts your statement.
>>744194
>Have there ever been Marxist thinkers who analyzed nationalism from the material perspective?
Stalin, Lenin, Marx, etc. nearly every prominent Marxist has some writings on the national question.

Marx & Engels
<On Poland
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1847/12/09.htm

<The Magyar Struggle

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/01/13.htm

<Democratic Pan-Slavism

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/02/15.htm


August Bebel
<Socialism and Internationalism
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/bebel/1905/08/internationalism.htm


Rosa Luxemburg
<In Defense of Nationality
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/luxemburg/1900/nationality/index.html

<The National Question

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/luxemburg/1909/national-question/index.htm

<The Nationalities Question

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/luxemburg/1918/russian-revolution/ch03.htm


Lenin
<Critical Remarks on the National Question
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1913/crnq/index.htm

<The Right of Nations to Self-Determination

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/index.htm

<The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm

<Draft Theses on National and Colonial Questions For The Second Congress Of The Communist International

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1920/jun/05.htm

<The Question of Nationalities or "Autonomisation"

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htm


Stalin
<Marxism and the National Question
https://marxists.architexturez.net/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htm


Trotsky
<The Slogan of the Soviet United States of Europe
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti01.htm#p1-03


Otto Bauer
<The question of nationalities and social democracy
https://libcom.org/library/question-nationalities-social-democracy-otto-bauer


Anton Pannekoek
<Class Struggle and Nation
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/pannekoe/1912/nation.htm


James Connolly
<Socialism and Nationalism
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/connolly/1897/01/socnat.htm

<Patriotism and Labour

https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/connolly/1897/08/patlabr.htm


Ho Chi Minh
<Report On The National And Colonial Questions At The Fifth Congress Of The Communist International
https://marxists.architexturez.net/reference/archive/ho-chi-minh/works/1924/07/08.htm


Mao
<The Role of the Chinese Communist Party in the National War
https://marxists.architexturez.net/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_10.htm


Harry Haywood
<The Negro Nation
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/haywood/negro-liberation/ch07.htm

In the question on self-determination, he is in favor of it, and you can't take out nationalism out of the discussion if you are in favor of self-determination.
>The conditions under which the bourgeois-democratic demand for a “national state” should be supported from a Marxist, i. e., class proletarian, point of view will be dealt with in detail below. For the present, we shall confine ourselves to the definition of the concept of “self-determination”
You can't have self-determination if you don't have a national identity, to begin with.
Ah, that you have bourgeoisie opprutinists? that's another talking point, like rethugs, but that's when you have to be clear and draw the lines between opportunists and real struggles.
See how you uncover yourself as a pseud?

 No.506374

>>506372
Or maybe that anticommunists did a blatant history revisionism and invented people shot by communists, eh? Have you found any corpses attributable to Lenin's government yet? Funniest shit, really - Lenin outlaws capital punishment, it's official history proven by paper and action, like Soviets taking hostages instead of shooting people, but even leftists today believe anticommunist propaganda.

 No.506375

>>506374
Source: A revelation that came to me while thinking

 No.506377

>>506375
What, you need an entire book on famous fakes created to discredit communism? You know that there's a multitude of such books printed, with famous fakes explored, right? You just have to google them. All I do is merely pointing out that Lenin did, in fact, outlaw capital punishment. How the fuck and by what law would he shoot people, then? Did capital punishment law got abolished? When, by what decree?

 No.506378

>>506373
Dumb post, Lenin recognised nationalism as a force but never gave into it. A communist should always oppose nationalism in "his" country, cos they're not our countries.

 No.506379

>President Biden is expected to provide a status update on the ongoing situation in Ukraine at 3:30 p.m. today, per a person familiar
Cytube?

 No.506380

>>506378
>dumb post
>given by a literal quote
>deflects without quotes
>still shows he is chauvinistic against Russians, despite he professes Leninism, who is coincidentally a Russian.
Yeah, bud. Like king schizo, you seem to be another schizo of your own.

schizohat, or as I said, class-traitor.

 No.506381

>>506374
No idea what you're talking about, the Red Terror happened and it was necessary. It's overblown of course but the Bolsheviks rightly put their class enemies to death, from Kolchak to the Romanovs to SRs.

 No.506382

>>506380
Cos you're trying to paint Lenin as a nationalist, which is bullshit. He was an internationalist and communist, the antithesis of bourgeois nationalism. Go ask your man Putin what he thinks of Lenin. His screeds about the Bolsheviks "using Russians for revolution" are basically word for word copies of Denikin, Solzhenitsyn, Vlasov etc except without the overt antisemitism.

 No.506383

>>506382
>trying to paint Lenin as a nationalist
<reeee nationalism is bad, but if Lenin explicitly says t is important for the basis of self-determination, then is a bad interpretation of his national sentiment reeee
One thing is being dumb as he said about nationalism, another is pretending he didn't set the basis in which national identity has to be reinforced to defend self-determination.
And justify your chauvinism seems more bullshistic from your side, class-traitor.

 No.506385

>>506383
He's right and you're being retarded and tarding up the thread

 No.506386

>>506385
Except Lenin wrote a fucking defending self-determination, and the only ones hating Russia are these pseuds.

 No.506387

Did Solzhenitsyn write 100% lies or more like 50% lies?

 No.506388

>>506373
>>506372
>>506369
>>506374
>>506375
can you fags go to another thread to discuss this shit
even better, can a mod move all this shit elsewhere

 No.506389

>>506386
>Still doesn't know how to read.

 No.506390

>>506388
My apologies. I try not to divert the focus on the thread, but whenever those tards try to define things as they are not, like imperialism, fascism, and put Russia in the same category, despite the mounting of evidence that they are not, and they are important in the geopolitical plane, it gets my jimmies rustled, and we need to address them or else it will create the sense they are right.

 No.506391

>>506265
>>506263
Russia was never going to strike first. What's US' plan to kill Nordstream 2 now?

 No.506392

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BASED KRAUT WITH THE REALITY CHECK

 No.506393

>>506391
the same (false) false flag they've been keeping in their back pocket for the last few weeks? russia doesn't need to invade if USA just tells the world they invaded. the entire western press is too cucked not to take the line presented by the state department, so the USA effectively gets to dictate facts

 No.506394

>>506387
100%. His whole idea was that USSR existed off prison labor, and that half the country was guarding the other half contained in work camps. Also, he tried to attribute even WW2 victories to gulag prisoners. Solzhenitzyn is pure bullshit

 No.506396

>>506376
The “China wants Taiwan for chips” idea is the most brazen psyop I’ve seen in years. That is not why China wants unification. At all. I’m fact, it used to be offered as a incentive to *not use the military* because it would curb stomp TSMC.

 No.506397

>>506373
Lenins principle of Self-Determination of Oppressed Nations is completely opposed to Chauvinistic Bourgeois Nationalism, as proven by the fact that Russian Nationalists such as Putin and Dugin are still bitching about the fact that Lenin gave Self-Determination to Ukranians in their own SSR.

 No.506398

>>506355
>Thinks poor firearm safety discipline is a gender-exclusive issue
I'll gladly have you shot by women.

 No.506400

>>506398
don't care, didn't ask plus you're a flagfag

 No.506401

File: 1644955951057.jpg (71.83 KB, 800x534, The best pill.jpg)

>>506400
Well I guess, you can't really care after a bullet brain surgery. :/

 No.506403

>>506398
care, asked. Also you're based as hell

 No.506404

>>506397
Ukrainian isn't a nation.

 No.506405

File: 1644957256238.png (157.02 KB, 818x422, ClipboardImage.png)


hmmm

 No.506406

>>506404
Exactly what a Great Russian Chauvinist would say, LOL. How do you cope with the fact that Lenin and Stalin supported Ukrainian Self-Determination in their own SSR, while those opposing Ukrainian Self-Determination include Czar Nicholas II (who the Bolsheviks executed), the deranged Fascist Dugin and his Schizo "Eurasia" movement, and corrupt Capitalist Oligarchs like Putin and his cronies who helped betray and overthrow the USSR?

 No.506407

>>506406
Are you going to explain how Ukraine is a nation or just screech and call people names?

 No.506408

>>506407
According to Stalin "A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture." Ukrainians clearly meet all of these requirements and thus were granted Self-Determination in their own SSR by Lenin himself. If Lenin and Stalin consider Ukrainians a Nation why can't you?

 No.506409

Yeah I’m thinking an invasion is not happening. Either Putin was bluffing the whole time or he chickened out at the last second.

 No.506410

>>506397
>Dugin
>Putin
>still till this day hasn't brought one single time where Putin has said Dugin's name.
Putin can't be a eurasianist when he had to fight the al-qaeda in kosovo. This shows you don't understand Russia's ideology one little bit.
And I see you like the idea that Ukraine decided to declare independence out of the USSR, which was the rolling snowball down the hill that caused the USSR's dissolution.
Ukraine was precisely the state that didn't want communism and forced the USSR to dissolution by declaring independence

>An attempted coup against Gorbachev fails on the 21st. On the 24th, the Ukrainian Supreme Soviet declares the Ukraine's independence and on the same day, the Republican Movement of Crimea (which later becomes the Republican Party of Crimea) is established by Yurii Meshkov. The movement is officially registered as a movement in November.

.
https://www.refworld.org/docid/469f38ec2.html
And the delusional thinking that Putin wants Ukraine when the CPSU could crush the independence, and the subsequent leaders of Russia could do it, seems more like you project ideals of imperialism in whatever person exists in your imagination.

 No.506412

>>506395
Damn. How does fucking around in Syria kills a gas pipeline going from Vyborg, Russia to Lubmin, Germany through the Baltic Sea?

 No.506413

>>506412
Didn't you know? 'merricans have invented teleportation in half-life 2.

 No.506414

File: 1644964798584.gif (7.5 MB, 958x667, USSR_Map_timeline.gif)

>>506410
>ukraine caused the breakup
lol

 No.506415

>>506414
It did. The real split point started when the coup failed because the Soviets tried to take back the self-declared territories before the coup and gorbashit/yeltsin did the possible to not do it. Ukraine decided "coincidentally" to leave after the coup.
Instead of supporting the coup that was justified, the cpu gave the largest territory a symbolic back to the other smaller territories that started before.
It is simple. All the processes to undo the coups, the subversion, and "independence" ended with the self-"independent" proclamation of Ukraine.

 No.506416

>>506415
>russia declares independence first
>it's ukraine's fault!!!!

 No.506417

>>506408
but communism is nationless so i dont care

 No.506418

File: 1644967850097.mp4 (9.5 MB, 1280x720, 69047cf7fd891d6b.mp4)


 No.506419

>>506418
>I am the neighbor that bangs on the radiator
Just slav things

 No.506420

>>506416
Except Russia declared independence on the Dec 25th of 1991, what are you talking about?
Also, is this somehow a justification of schizo retardation about the independence of Ukraine something to be praised while it was clear these weren't communists who declared the independence and did it in response to silence the coup attempt done by the only real communists by the time?

 No.506421

>>506418
This needs an edit with someone screaming I AM A FUCKING NAZI or something similar, kek.

 No.506422

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-moves-troops-away-ukraine-154053881.html
>Russia moves troops away from Ukraine border but U.S. officials say some are in attack positions

what kind of attack position involves moving your troops away from the country you're invading? Are they going to go all the way around the world and sneak attack Ukraine from the west?

 No.506424

<Dmitri Peskov
>In ironic response to Ukrainians, said they have to set their alarm clocks to 3:00 AM, after The Mirror accusation that the Russians will invade this Feb 16th in that hour.

We live in clown society, we live in clown world.

 No.506425

How do I convince my liberal friends that Russia won't invade Ukraine? Do I just wait until the US stops claiming they will?

 No.506426

>>506423

Over 300 confirmed kills and highly trained in gorilla warfare

 No.506427

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>>506425
Make them put their money where their mouth is and put $20, $50, $100 on the table. Guarantee they won't want to gamble at all because they don't actually believe in anything. They're only in it for the aesthetics of concern (as commanded of them by state media), despite not investing an ounce of energy into being politically literate

idk shouldn't be that hard to tell someone who has no idea what they're talking about that they have no idea what they're talking about. Nordstream 2 alone should be enough to shut the up, Putin might not be a 'nice guy' but he's not an idiot (let alone starting a very unpopular war, justifying internal/external response that will hurt his gov, etc)

 No.506428

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File: 1645025547554-1.gif (784.8 KB, 245x153, todaystheday.gif)

Today's the day that Russia's totally gonna invade Ukraine guys the CIA has proof we have satellite images and shit

 No.506429

>>505800
Then the honeytrap will be sprung and all the Russian sympathizers and agents living in western countries will be inturned , it is too late to do anything to protect yourself now, they already have your IP addresses and real world location and the odds are pretty good that you are being watched right now to see if you will run.

And all for protecting the crony capitalists who betrayed communism. Class traitors will get no sympathy.


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