No.505792[Last 50 Posts]
Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
Original post:
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.
To check for news:
https://liveuamap.com/esTo check for (military) planes:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.Btw this also applies to China.
No.505793
>>744873
Bravo leftcom, another incredible post.
No.505794
>>505793its a poltard that has been making the same posts for over a week if you couldnt realize
No.505795
>>744873
based leftcom has wordfilter evading wizardry
No.505796
>>505792> Btw this also applies to China.China is not ruled by a capitalist class. The capitalists are under the foot of the Central Government and the CPC.
No.505798
>>505797You know I’m right.
No.505799
>>744873
kys uighur
No.505801
>>505800Death to all Teutons and all the Teuton-adjacents
No.505802
>>505800WTF is Yazov Battalion?
No.505803
>>505802le. he doesnt know
No.505808
>>505802It's it's from my hearts of Iron 4 mod called New Order last days of Europe also known as TNO
https://the-new-order-last-days-of-europe.fandom.com/wiki/OmskAlso Yazov is a real person still alive he was a general in the Soviet red army during WWII and was famous for a lot of successful operations.
What is TNO about realistic WWII axis victory with semi realistic story
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2438003901>>505800 Yes anon the great trial shall commence long-lived Komrade yazov
No.505811
>>505807Yazov was based IRL too, he tried to salvage Afghanistan and arrested Gorbachev.
No.505814
>>505813I can understand defending deng
but this is levels of revisionism that i didnt think was possible
No.505817
>>505816i wasnt clear what i meant to say that i understand people defending deng
but defending putin is a level of revisionism that is beyond me
also i was being ironic to your ironic shitposting
No.505819
>>505815i mean fair enough but with the release of thousand week reich
tno kinda looks silly in comparision
No.505820
>>505818>UntermenschTo nazis all Slavic were untermensch. If you are Slavic you are a race traitor.
No.505821
>>505792>Russia has tried to join NATO, twice. No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.I think the weapons capitalists want Russia as an enemy to Nato because otherwise there would be no reason to invest so much money into armament. Maybe they even would see Russian weapons companies are competitors.
>This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. That's true
>The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.Territory size is not very relevant.
>Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate changethat is debatable
>It's the literal counterpart of the USNo it's not, Russia and the US are different in more ways than they are similar.
>Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.What are your arguments for this, usually people like that have believes that are beneficial for them to have to some degree, but are not actually true.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invaderSo what you are saying is that Russia is anti-imperialist,
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive.Who will get more aggressive ?
Why does Russia and US power have to be mutually exclusive ?
>Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3How ? Russia has been putting out the fires that the US has been kindling
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.what a mess:
<imperialism is the capitalist drive for profitNo that's to vague, imperialism is done by the most chauvinistic part of big bourgeois finance capital
<read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism.You mean imperialism the highest state of capitalism ?
<Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized,this contradicts your previous statement that capitalist country entails automatic imperialism
>and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.They are imperialized tho, the US is hitting them with economic sanctions and is trying to make Ukraine into a military beachhead to destroy Russia, by your own admission.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet unionThat's irrelevant for what is happening in the Ukraine now
If the USSR had still existed Russian tanks would have rolled into Kiev in 2014.
It shouldn't have been possible to kill AES, 1989 should have been a footnote in history as a counter revolution that failed. And Putin clearly does not do the 1990s neoliberal capitalism there is more state-control than in the 90s especially over resource extraction. The US is throwing a big temper tantrum because they want to go back to the 90s
>Btw this also applies to China.You made a thread about Ukraine but you also want to have it derailed.
Oh well China is a country that is building socialism.
No.505822
>>505821I just copy and pasted the OP from the previous thread and the one before that
No.505824
>>505818>>505819Not as silly as Man in the high castle
That shit is Retarded especially because the Germans and Japanese both use some kind of Soviet cold war weaponry even tho they defeated the Soviet Union.
No.505825
>>505824yeah i agree especially with the multi dimensional shit
but at least its not retarded as wolfenstein
No.505826
>>505825though wolfenstein is silly on purpose
No.505829
>>505825There is something worse than Wolfenstein
But this time it is set in a post WWII setting with something about the moon
No.505830
>>505815>Stalin is never in charge of the Soviet UnionSo no officer purge happens. They actually listen to Richard Sorge who says the exact date of the German invasion. Nobody would be shut in their Dacha for weeks while the Germans were taking Minsk and destroying 5 soviet armies.
No.505831
>>505830>They actually listen to Richard Sorgelmao nice meme. Sorge had predicted numerous invasions that didn't come to pass.
No.505833
>>505818Vsevolod Ivanov, how could Soviet writer drawing that Hyperborean shit & we wuz kangz kingz kongz?
No.505834
>>505832What I mean is you are complaining about them ignoring Sorge the last time when he was right when they ignored him numerous times when he was wrong. There were numerous spies constantly saying that the invasion was imminent for years, and Sorge's one time is somehow regarded as a huge failure in the Soviets. I'm talking specifically about the German invasion of the USSR, Barbarossa.
No.505835
>>505829dear lord this i remember this hellhole
No.505836
>>505834When was he wrong?
No.505837
>>505835I'm glad that didn't get a hearts of Iron 4 mod
No.505838
Nothing's happening
No.505839
>>505830If no officer purge happenes USSR falls like France.
No.505841
>>505840Yes. If France had a serious government they'd purge their officers and the fresh batch would not lose france in 40-something days. Funfact, the Pavlov house held out for 60 days - longer than France and the Benelux combined.
No.505842
>>505839This, the Trotskyite 5th column, had it not been purged, would have handed the USSR to Germany on a platter, leading to the genocide of hundreds of millions, all to fulfill the nihilistic ambitions of Trotsky's masters. Had Stalin not done what he had to do, the Slavic race would not exist at all.
No.505843
Russia will recognize DNR today
No.505844
>>505842> all to fulfill the nihilistic ambitions of Trotsky's masters???
No.505846
>>505841source: trust me bro
No.505847
>>505844The ruling class of Britain hated Russia for opposing the central banking apparatus and its proxy of the British Empire. They wanted to destroy Russia and her people out of petty hatred, because if a nation couldn't be under their control then nobody should have it according to them. Thankfully, Russia still stands strong today, even if the Soviet Union is temporarily gone.
No.505848
>>505846Just read the wikipedia entry or something tovarsih. USSR purged officers who were against motorization and tank-ization of the Red army. Some were vehemently opposed to this and wanted to preserve cavalry and shit. Luckily, they were removed and T-34 started going into production.
France hadn't made the same effort to motorize its military and … well the result is well known.
No.505851
>>505848>>505846Unfortunately, the mass purge only happened AFTER liberation:
The épuration légale (French "legal purge") was the wave of official trials that followed the Liberation of France and the fall of the Vichy Regime. The trials were largely conducted from 1944 to 1949, with subsequent legal action continuing for decades afterward.
No.505852
>>505849Stay mad Trotskyite
No.505854
>>505850this is a very boring video tovarsih, why did you post such crap?
No.505856
The Economist/YouGov survey showed that only 13% of US adults believe it would be a “good idea” to deploy troops to fight Russians in Ukraine. In fact, support for a combat mission on Moscow’s doorstep is so low that more Americans (17%) favor withdrawing from NATO than tangling with Russia’s military. The poll found that 55% of Americans believe sending combat troops to Ukraine would be a “bad idea,” while 33% are unsure.
https://www.rt.com/russia/549243-americans-oppose-sending-troops-to-ukraine/ No.505857
>>505847>They wanted to destroy Russia and her people out of petty hatred,Classes do things for economic, not emotional reasons
>because if a nation couldn't be under their control then nobody should have it according to them. What are they, a bond villain?
>Thankfully, Russia still stands strong today, even if the Soviet Union is temporarily gone.And here you're making it sound like some sort of race/nationalist war instead of an economic conflict.
And none of this shit has anything to do with Trotsky.
>>505852You're a schizo, a LARPer, and and imbecile.
No.505858
>>505848> USSR purged officers who were against motorization and tank-ization of the Red army.Proofs?
> Some were vehemently opposed to this and wanted to preserve cavalry and shit.What like Budyonny and the First Cavalry army that was pretty much the only unit spared from the purge?
Too bad all them new officers got encircled captured or killed by the Germans in the first few weeks of the invasion. Others got purged for failing to halt the invasion. Had to pull dudes like Rokossovsky out of prison.
No.505860
>>505842>Sleeps>Wakes up<Still nothing happenedTold ya, idiots…
No.505861
>>505857It has everything to do with Trotsky. It is a well documented fact that Trotsky was captured by the British in 1917, prior to the October Revolution, wherein Trotsky became their agent for Russia and socialism's destruction in return for the Red Shields providing him with some of the spoils to allow him a comfy retirement once it was all over. The Red Shields, of course, have been de facto in control of Britain since 1815, so British influence was an extension of their own influence, and since they couldn't subjugate Russia under it they figured it would be better to have it destroyed. That agent came to them in the form of the Nazis, and Trotsky and his minions were only too happy to help, some out of genuine belief that Russians should be destroyed, some out of pettiness, and Trotsky just due to pure greed. The fact of the matter is that he was willing to sell out socialism and his country the first chance he got, and he is hopefully burning in the deepest pits of hell as a result.
You're free to whine and cry and claim that my observation of the bourgeoisie "isn't dialectical" because I actually recognize the depth of their evil and what they're willing to do to achieve domination, but dont expect anybody to take you seriously now or in the future.
No.505862
>>505859>David Glantz.I googles David Glantz + Red Army purge. I get result that purge was le bad.
No.505863
>>505860Was not meant to tag any post, oops.
No.505867
>>505836A bunch of times. He predicted Germany would attack in May, then that it would attack only once Britain surrendered, then that he wasn't sure if it'd even happen.
No.505868
https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1492995506829729794Ukraine's ambassador to the UK Vadym Prystaiko has told @StephenNolan his country might agree not to join @NATO if it would avert war with Russia.
No.505869
Anyone who thinks that NATO will fight a hot war with Russia over Ukraine and over a pipeline that Germany wants/needs is retarded
>>505792Stop reposting the same thing in every OP, it's not even good
No.505870
>>505869This is not just about the pipeline just like WW! wasn't about the assassination of one Arch Duke
No.505872
>>505865LaRouche was unironically correct on most of his shit tbh
No.505873
>>505868Literally nobody cares about Ukraine joining NATO except the US, it's pathetic. It wouldn't happen any time soon and a guarantee would end this whole thing, but no, the US will cling to this possibility for as long as they can.
No.505874
>>505870Yeah it's mostly over NATO expansion which wouldn't be happening soon anyways
No.505875
>>505873>Literally nobody cares about Ukraine joining NATO except the USRussia is completely against Ukraine joining NATO and has made that clear for many years. You don't pay attention at all
No.505876
>>505873If the US wanted to defend Ukraine it would ally Ukraine by signing an "alliance" like it did with South Korea and Japan. They want to use Ukraine as a disposable torpedo
No.505877
>>505865probably one of haz's cultists
No.505878
>>505875*in the west, which apparently wasn't obvious
>>505876They do not necessarily care about its defense, they care about being able to put troops there in the future to threaten and maybe even balkanize russia. Russia would probably just invade if they did that too
No.505879
Seriously, burgerstan has shit like Saudi Arabia Taiwan and South Korea designated as MNNA's all have some territorial dispute problems with democracy associated with them etc but it won't ally Ukraine?
No.505880
>>505879Why be rebellious and violent when you could just he quiet
>Muh euWhat about it?
No.505881
>>505880What are you even saying?
That commenter was referring to this list
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally No.505882
>>505879That would put the US at risk of a real war against a real army. The US is okay with drone striking farmers but does not want WW3. Russia has much more skin in this game than the US does. I think they see NATO as an existential threat
No.505883
>>505882Bu-but it has Taiwan as an ally. They have the balls there. And South Korea.
Regarding NATO Burgerstan is very cynical they know that you need unanimous support from all member states to get into NATO and no territorial disputes. Which is why it will never happen for Ukraine. They also don't want to make it a non-NATO ally.
No.505884
>>505883Modern Russia is much more likely to fight than modern DPRK or China. Also iirc both Taiwan and South Korean support began during or immediately after wars. Ukraine is also a corrupt shithole with a poorly functioning democracy. This plus territorial dispute plus threat of larger war means they will nit join NATO for a very long time. Which is why it's funny and kind of sad that US won't guarantee it in writing to Russia
No.505885
>>505884Imagine if the US was forced to guarantee in writing that Ukraine can't join NATO. They would look like an embarrassing group of cucks in front of the entire world. Russia would be given a clear and unambiguous win in terms of prestige and geopolitics. They likely assured Russia behind the scenes that it won't join anything but it's not good enough.
I feel bad for Ukraine. The majority of the civilian population that is. They are being used and abused by both the West and Russia.
Putin knows that Ukraine won't be joining NATO at least while Russia remains powerful enough. Ukraine wouldn't have been joining NATO or the EU in 2014 and after that either if Russia just did nothing and didn't annex Crimea.
No.505886
>>505800With the last supply chain update they made Omsk practically invincible.
Paradox fucked TNO up lol.
No.505887
>>505868Reminder that Ukraine has 5 billion dollars yearly trade with Russia. (Which is to say 3% of their whole GDP).
Its only Nazi glowing retards propped by the Us (and having inordinate amounts of power) that want war.
I wonder if this is why Zelenskiy is desperately manoeuvering to stop the escalation.
No.505888
Ukrainian nazis are preparing to invade russia. How can we protect poor innocent russia, bros?
No.505889
>>505885They are an embarrassing group of cucks and they will fall and Germany will eventually join the CTSO or SCO or something
No.505890
>>505887All this fucking clown bullshit and on top of it, Ukraine has a literal comedian as president.
Every day we are a step closer to fully comedic tragic helish clown world.
No.505891
WSWS DROPS NEW OFFICIAL STATEMENThttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/14/pers-f14.html
<28. War with Russia in Ukraine, however it begins or whatever the course of its initial stages, will not be contained. It will follow an uncontrollably expansive logic. Every state in the region will be drawn into the conflict. The Black Sea, the shoreline of which laps across seven countries, will be transformed into a cauldron of escalating conflict, sweeping across Transcaucasia, the Caspian Sea region, Central Asia and beyond.
<29. China will see its own interests directly threatened and would be dragged into the war. Conflict would ensue over Taiwan. Iran and Israel would be caught up in the warfare. Japan and Australia would rapidly follow. At some point the use of nuclear weapons would be seen as a way out. And in every theater of this conflict, the United States will be centrally involved, with a devastating loss of life and massive levels of social dislocation.
<36. The way forward for the Russian and Ukrainian working class requires a global perspective. It must be stressed that opposition to Putin does not involve aligning with imperialism. Pseudo-left denunciations of Russian and Chinese “imperialism” have no relation to the historical development of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Rather, they express the alignment of petty-bourgeois forces with Washington. It is necessary to oppose imperialism without adapting to Russian nationalism, and to oppose Russian nationalism without adapting to imperialism. No.505892
>>505891do they explain how the conflict would expand to include iran, israel, china, japan, and australia?
No.505894
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/14/ukr--f14.htmlQuite a good analysis not just good for trots but just plain objectively good
Only one quibble s/must/will in the last paragraph to improve its accuracy
No.505896
>>505891Quite a reasonable position aside from the "WW3 ESCALATION IT'S HAPPENING" part.
No.505897
>>745273
> Belgorod
The 100k troops poised to attack Ukraine are in the North in Belarus
No.505899
>>505891>It must be stressed that opposition to Putin does not involve aligning with imperialism.>Pseudo-left denunciations of Russian and Chinese “imperialism” have no relation to the historical development of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.rare based trot moment
No.505900
Fuck I'm getting bad vibes Brandon is old and senile and said he won't do anything militarily to stop Putin. Putin doesn't give a fuck about SWIFT or sanctions or the retarded pipeline and other such shit.
No.505901
If Ukraine gets blown into blown to smithereens hypothetically. Then Biden for one, isn't getting re-elected.
No.505902
>>505901I'm not sure: I'd vote for someone who purposefully let Ukraine being blown to smitheerens.
No.505903
>>505901Implying they're not going to cart him off to a nursing home and make Camela the president, then pat themselves on the back for the first female president. And then she'll hold a conference and challenge Putin to negotiate and be all "girl boss" about it.
No.505905
>>505904At least one russian is going to get lynched in the ukraine before this is over
No.505906
Reporting results of the fizzle sizzle game in the earlier Thread:
/Fizzlegang/-> 4 people
/Sizzlegang/-> 4 people
It's a tie bros.
No.505908
>>745307
Russia is an empire that extracts super profits from colonial exploitation for its finance capital class though, and that's a driver of this current conflict, it's not because the tsar or putin talk about panslavism that Russia becomes a magical homogeneous place where everyone is happy.
No.505909
>>745325
>Also that Russia can destroy the usa in 1 hour
Any nuclear power can do that. Of course, the reverse is also true.
No.505910
>>505909What about Ukraine plans to put Russians in camps and gas them
No.505911
>>745325
protecting ethnic russians in ukraine is the only pretext i can imagine russia using for war
No.505912
>>745325
> We will not start the war
> we will end it
Ummm bros?
No.505913
>>745356
What a cuck. I expected more fighting spirit from the Anglo.
We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do,
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too.
Britain has become a weak and effeminate nation.
No.505919
>>745325
I can fix her
No.505920
Ukraine is giving signals its ready for a diplomatic solution. This crisis is basically about Crimea and Donbass + massing of troops operations are smokescreens for this.
No.505921
KAUNAS AIRPORT, Lithuania, Feb 14 (Reuters) - A German military aircraft carrying troop reinforcements landed in Lithuania on Monday, the first of several planned NATO deployments amid fears in the region about a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine. read more
The A400M airplane carried around 70 soldiers of what is expected to grow to a 360-strong German deployment, which comes on top of existing NATO forces in the region, a spokesperson for the alliance's enhanced forward presence battlegroup said.
The new deployments include reconnaissance and artillery troops and medics from units throughout Germany, as well as around 100 howitzer and other vehicles, with arrivals expected to continue throughout this week
"It's a strong signal that Germany is willing and capable of reinforcing the battlegroup immediately as needed," Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Andrae, German commander of the NATO troops in Lithuania, told reporters.
"I am really happy to have the guys with me, and be ready for everything which (could) come up," Andrae added. The added soldiers will stay as long as they are needed, he said.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was due to arrive in Kyiv on Monday to meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in a bid to show solidarity and help avert war. On Tuesday, Scholz will fly to Moscow to see Russian President Vladimir Putin. read more
Since 2017, NATO has deployed battlegroups in Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as well as Poland, all sharing borders with Russia, in response to Moscow annexing the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine in 2014.
Totalling 5,000 soldiers, the battlegroups are led by Germany, Canada, Britain and the United States.
Britain is also preparing to reinforce the British-led NATO battlegroup in Estonia, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said last week. read more
German soldiers comprise about half of the 1,100-strong battlegroup already present in Lithuania, which includes troops from Belgium, the Czech Republic, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Norway.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-troops-arrive-reinforce-baltics-amid-tensions-over-ukraine-2022-02-14/?taid=620a48f79e8a830001d4ba87&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter No.505923
>>505916He's mostly a crank with no ideology besides vague ass populism.
Useless for socialism, useful for some memes.
No.505924
Update on Russia bill put forward by Russian communist party
This is a western abc reporter btw
https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1493196922269618186?s=20&t=t5xuSOsf14Vp8isjWOL_MA No.505925
Wew lads
An American ranger (American special forces) who says did 2 tours in Afghanistan has arrived to help ukraine military
https://twitter.com/ronzheimer/status/1493202761047056385?s=20&t=-MGuJHy-G5h_ULI2qzZ1aA No.505926
>>505925He says he is from south carolina and expects to say in Ukraine for 1 year
No.505927
Zhirinovsky has severe brain damage. (diagnosed)
No.505928
>>745307
She's right, but she's a hack, and if Trump was doing it, it would be fucking hilarious to see her contradicting this statement.
No.505929
>>505928>She's rightShe's not. Russia has 100k troops miles from Ukraine. That is non existent in her example of Canada
No.505930
>>505916That sectarian ass-hat? Well, perhaps if gets serious some day.
No.505931
>>745440
Maybe he ate a pierogi with extra onions that day.
No.505932
>>505929Well, I am not going to defend her.
No.505935
>>745440
Covid, have you heard about it?
No.505939
Where is the happening
No.505941
>>505924Putin confirmed cuck.
KPRF with a rare W outing him for once.
No.505942
>>745372
>And all the feces shall be returned.
No.505943
>>505924>>505941I've been thinking. A defeat on the international stage often results in political change on the losing side.
If the US is humiliated on the world stage, the only political group which could take advantage of this domestically is the republicans and the far right, as the american left is useless and to a big part fused with the Bidenist.
In Russia on the other hand, if Putin is discredited and his ability to protect the People is put in doubt, the faction best situated to attempt a takeover would be the KPRF.
Could a W for the US unironically be more advantageous? Or would the US just intervene and set up some neolib stooge like navalny?
No.505944
>>505943> US just intervene and set up some neolib stooge like navalnyWhy would you ever expect a different outcome?
No.505945
>>505942I just don't believe that one. Why would they give you your shit back? Are they asking for a sample only to embarass you? They aren't even testing it? Kinda hilarious either way.
No.505946
>>745440
”YOU HAVE MEDDLED WITH THE PRIMAL FORCES OF NATURE, MR. LAVROV!”
No.505948
>>505925one hopes he will return in a comfy little box
>>505908true - as a marxist i detest the russian state and would not support it in any scenario (not that it would matter), but as someone from a country ass-raped by yankee corps, i can only hope putin presses the big red button
No.505949
>>505943The kprf is communist in name only
No.505956
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAA
No.505957
>>505952Lwow confirmed exile rump capital
No.505959
>>505938This means it's not happening
No.505964
>>505962In Russia or in the West?
No.505967
>>505952If he was based he would've seized their assets.
No.505968
>>505964In Russia of course. In the West the libs will just screech and call him HITLER TWOOOOOO.
No.505970
>>505962He made himself quite politically indispensable and central to political life there so when he dies and Russia crashes and burn people will speak of him like mustache man, like either he was the one who fucked it up or he was perfect and it was his successors who really were bad
No.505973
>>505972>couldThat's undoubtedly true.
No.505974
So whats the leftypol consensus after so many threads?
No.505976
>>505974Nothingburger of the fizzling kind
No.505977
>>5059748 full threads so it's obviously happening
No.505978
>>505977The first, second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth threads were about discussing if Russia could be imperialist.
No.505979
>>505978What's the consensus on that?
No.505981
>>505979The concensus was that Russia was imperialist but regardless it should be the one to be supported instead of the puppet state called Ukraine and it's puppeteers (The US).
No.505983
>>505979I think Russia is basically an unsuccessfully imperialist country. All semi peripheral countries would probably like to become core imperialist countries. Can they do that? Probably not, which is why I prefer them to 'win'
No.505984
>>505979Who cares. Communists should not support either party, with the sole exception being to pragmatically further revolutionary activities.
No.505985
>>505979The screechers just kinda stopped posting and things got comfier. I don't mind such debates though, it comes with the territory like how 4/pol/ is constantly fighting over if Slavs are actually white or not.
No.505986
>>505985>if Slavs are actually white or notAs a Slav I don't consider myself white and I'm proud of it.
No.505987
>>505986it's ok to be white, boris
No.505988
>>505971Keep crying cashlet your shift almost over soon
No.505989
>>505924Post yesterday said he wants independent Donetsk to stay part of Ukraine. Speculation said that with independent region loyal to him he gets veto power in Ukraine legislature so they can never join NATO.
No.505990
>>505971Until they get out of line.
No.505991
Nothing is going to happen.
No.505992
>>505934>The russian intelligence has some intel, I think, that ultra-rightwing militias used by Ukraine, alongside polish mercenaries/ultra-rightwingers in order to put in motion the double false flag by the US.as soon as they opened polish border for ukr to "escape" i thought so too
No.505993
>>505982Adam Something literally argued in support of this.
No.505994
>>505952this guy is going to get gaddafi'd if he keeps playing both sides. is he not aware his country was couped what 3 - 4 times in the last decade?
No.505995
>>505900>Brandon is old and senile and said he won't do anything militarily to stop Putin.bay of pigs
No.505997
>>505996>Ask your readers, your audiences and the users of online resourcesPutin binge browses comment sections confirmed.
No.505998
>>505821>I think the weapons capitalists want Russia as an enemy to Nato because otherwise there would be no reason to invest so much money into armament. Maybe they even would see Russian weapons companies are competitors.The military-industrial complex is already selling overpriced crap to the US on the daily. Meanwhile that might be true, you also have to have in mind that every capitalist always wants more money, and the best way to get more money is to invest it in places were the return of investment (low-developed countries with low investment costs, to put an example land buying in India is cheaper than in the UK. or the wages are lower in India, so on and so forth) is always higher than in developed countries. Russia has terrain (which will have a lot of unearthed materials) in spades, but it isn't open to NATO, but to the local bourgeoisie. Thus, it is an interest of every bourg fuck in the US or the UK to be in favour of making Russia a country, like, let's say Brazil.
>What are your arguments for this, usually people like that have believes that are beneficial for them to have to some degree, but are not actually true.The Rimland vs Heartland theory remarks that, in this planet earth, the land can be divided between that of "Rimland" (or land near the shore) and Heartland (land really far away from the shore). The theory comes that the Heartland will always dominate the Rimland because of it being plains and thus, easy to travel and for a solitary goverment to rule (e.i the Mongol Empire or Russia). To put an example is pretty much the nomadic tribes, which went and conquered time and time again it's neighbours, be it Turks, Mongols, Hungarians, Avars, Huns, Manchu…
Supposedly, all of this changed during the age of exploration (as in, the 1600's or so) as naval travel made it so naval powers could conquer and communicate it's lands a lot more easily, thus the dominance of European powers.
Of course, all of this was supposed to change thanks to one key invention, the train (or motorized vehicles as well), as they would help the heartland become a lot more cohesive than the naval empires of the time. To this, add that the supposed heartland will get more heat thanks to climate change, thus making frozen places in siberia a lot more hospitable to human life.
This thought process has been in the minds of the anglos since probably before WW1, and have never let them out. And in fact such theory was proven right in WW2, as trains were one of the main reasons (alongside industrialization) that made it so the Soviet Union could defeat Nazi Germany swiftly after some years of hiccups. Why didn't the anglos fight alongside the germans against the russian menace? Cause at that time Germany was a bigger threat alongside that the Soviet Union wasn't even developed properly.
Is this theory true? I don't know, to me it sounds somewhat retarded, but it is inside of the anglo mindset. Thus, the best way to defeat such fears of Russia becoming a complete behemoth is to cut it short, and thus this aggresive rethoric against Russia (which against the Soviet Union it was also this + Anticommunism). The objective is to balkanize Russia, to make Russia into 5 or more states in which anglo puppets rule the populace.
Also, important to note that Russia has also like 1800 nukes, and so many nukes are really scary to… everyone really (the same reason why the US is somewhat feared). Russia (and the US as well, for that matter) has the capacity, alone, of destroying civilization as we know it.
>Territory size is not very relevant.It IS relevant, that much territory is dominated by Russia and that much territory entails primary resources to be had by the Russians, instead of the US.
>that is debatable (that Russia will get benefit from climate change)Somewhat true, we have to see what will happen in like, 10 years in order to assess if it was a net positive or if Russia is fucked like everyone else. In terms of water increase Russia wouldn't be that perjudicated, but pretty much every country wouldn't be, because climante change doesn't entail the full destruction of the poles. Sea levels will rise, as much, maybe 10 meters, and that isn't that much unless you're the Netherlands (btw fuck the netherlands, all of my homies hate the netherlands).
>No it's not, Russia and the US are different in more ways than they are similar (thus it can't be said that Russia is the counterpart of the US).In terms of owning a lot of land, a lot of it being plains that are somewhat not colonized fully, and being colonizing states, it can be said that Russia is the counterpart of the US in it's geography, even if it's somewhat cherrypicked.
>(Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader) So what you are saying is that Russia is anti-imperialist,<Doesn't know what imperialism isYou can be both imperialist and be defending yourself against an outside invader who wants to tear you to pieces, capitalist countries can only be anti-other_people's_imperialisms. The only countries that can deem themselves as truly anti-imperialist are communist ones, as those don't have the motive to be imperialist (which is to profit from the return of investment of other country, exploiting it's resources and taking away its natural wealth).
To put an example of this it would be the Ottoman Empire during WW1, the Ottoman empire (which got into WW1 out of their own volition, but whatever) was an imperialist force who had a lot to gain from the central powers winning, but it was also fighting in order to not become another cake for the allied forces to take, which did happen. Turkey right after WW1 was literally strip of it's imperial possesions (that being Armenia, Syria, Palestine, Iraq…) and was literally partitiones between France, Britain, and Greece (this is, the anatolian peninsula).
>Who will get more aggressive (the US or Russia)?Both, probably. Both Russia and China have been stealthy on their approach to imperialism, using force when legitimately necessary, meanwhile the US is imperializing everything they can see that isn't on their sphere of influence: Iraq, Libia, Yugoslavia, Syria, the Sahel.
If Russia gets more power, that means that it has a fighting chance against the US, which will make Russia more active in their geopolitical game, as it will see the US weakened. And for the US, well, the most agressive animal is the one that's wounded, as they say.
>Why does Russia and US power have to be mutually exclusive ?Capitalism can only have one winner. Either you get more money than the rival and make them bankrupt or you bankrupt with your rival taking up what you left. That's why there where 2 world wars, the first one in which Germany saw the writing on the wall that if you don't have anough territories your rivals will get cheaper products and thus outperform you in the global market, and the second one as Germany, in a desperate bet against time, goes all out to see if it has a chance. This resulted in the destruction of Germany, twice. Capitalist powers, and enterprises, are mutually exclusive because one is taking the benefits the other could have.
It's a literal battle royale for the market cap.
>How ? Russia has been putting out the fires that the US has been kindlingThat's literally the contrary. To put an example, in Syria, Russia helped it's syrian ally against the imperialist try to take over the country with a colour revolution: This what means? Russia is directly combating US imperialism
In order to ensure that Syria it's in it's sphere of influence, and thus having it both as an ally and as a trading partner and maybe get a lot of returnal of investment once the war's over. Russia isn't doing this from the good of it's heart, but that doesn't mean that what Russia is doing is MILES better than what the US has done.
I mean, I'm sorry to say this, but this argument is retarded. In this case, the US is a pyromaniac that wants to burn some forests, and Russia is the fireman that puts out the fire, there's clearly a conflict of interests here which, once the pyromaniac and the fireman met, they will solve with their fists (or by having russia call the police, in this example, i suppose).
>No that's to vague, imperialism is done by the most chauvinistic part of big bourgeois finance capital<Imperialism is when it's done by bourgs who wave the flagCould you, at least, define what's imperialism?
>You mean imperialism the highest state of capitalism ?<Heh, minor spelling mistake, I win.Prove you've read it, then come back.
>this contradicts your previous statement that capitalist country entails automatic imperialismImperialism it's a relationship between two parts, the one where one country is imperialistic to one another, and the other where one country is being imperialized by another. The same way slavery is a relationship between Slaver and Slave, or capitalism is a relationship between capitalist and proletariat (simplyfing this, of course). This means that you can't have a imperialist nation without an imperialized nation, and this doesn't mean that an imperialized nation can't become, after liberating itself from the shackles of it's imperialist oppresor, into another imperialist nation. In fact, if it's still capitalist. it must turn imperialist because the return of investment in other countries makes it so the capitalist puts the same money in and gets more money out. The capitalist will go after the enterprise which gives it more money, if that means making a child-slave cocoa farm in Togo, then it will go for it.
>They (Russia) are imperialized tho, the US is hitting them with economic sanctions and is trying to make Ukraine into a military beachhead to destroy Russia, by your own admission.You haven't read imperialism, the highest stage (and last btw) of capitalism. That's not imperialism, it's economic warfare. Sanctions were issued against Germany before WW1 as tariffs by France and Great Britain, does that mean Germany was imperialized by the UK and France? Because Germany did the same to the other two.
Brazil isn't being threatened by the US with economic sanctions and putting bases (and maybe even nukes) near it. Is Brazil not being imperialized by the US?
>(Russia is ruled by a capitalist class the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES. The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union)That's irrelevant for what is happening in the Ukraine nowWe were discussing the matter of "is Russia imperialist" you dense motherfucker.
>If the USSR had still existed Russian tanks would have rolled into Kiev in 2014.If the USSR had still existed Ukraine would be part of the USSR dumbass.
>It shouldn't have been possible to kill AES, 1989 should have been a footnote in history as a counter revolution that failed. And Putin clearly does not do the 1990s neoliberal capitalism there is more state-control than in the 90s especially over resource extraction. The US is throwing a big temper tantrum because they want to go back to the 90s.<Putin is not doing neoliberalism and has a gas company that the Russian states owns 50.23% off, thus it's not capitalism.Are you the Pseud poster of the firsts threads? Like, having a nationalised gas or oil company is REALLY common worldwide.
To put an example, Saudi Arabia has ARAMCO, the BIGGEST oil company in the world, and it's nationalized. Oil industry, one of the reasons why Saudi Arabia is so rich is because it's oil is nationalized by
98.5%..
Does that make Saudi Arabia a communist state? Does that make Saudi Arabia a country that is against the US? Does that make Saudi Arabia communistier than Russia?No, because communism isn't about the state owning things, it's about ditching out capitalism to impose a new society based upon the shared means of production. State ownership (which, btw, a state is an organization designed to mantain a class in power, no class, no state, even if there is a goverment) in order to benefit the top elite isn't communism, it's just capitalism. Francoist Spain nationalized a lot of stuff, but it was because other capitalists saw that if the state ran stuff instead of other porkies it would be a lot more efficient and cheaper for them, and thus would get more benefit if they sacrificed some of it's class, similar happened accross the world after WW2 and before in the US with the New Deal. Now that the return of profit is lowering, they need to obtain back these enterprises in order to get more and more profit, as the river dries and you have to rationalize the water.
Also Saudi Arabia can do this because it's literally the one country that keeps the US from collapsing by enforcing the petrodollar by only trading in dollars. They literally have a treaty stating as such, the US would protect it against everything it would get on the Saudi's way (reason why they can support radical islam and not be told anything by the US) and Saudi Arabia would, then, always trade it's petroleum by dollars and ONLY dollars.
>You made a thread about Ukraine but you also want to have it derailed.>Oh well China is a country that is building socialism.Stop deluding yourself of throw yourself out of a cliff. China has been an antagonising force towards the USSR since it's inception, and preffered to help the US instead of the USSR.
No.506001
>>505998Get off it China is not imperialist against any country. Any trade and investment that occurs is consensual, respecting local laws and leaving full political power with the host country, eschewing preferential regimes that are common with "former" colonial powers.
No.506002
>>50597450/50 Fizzle/sizzle.
No.506003
>>506001>Get off it China is not imperialist against any country. Any trade and investment that occurs is consensual, respecting local laws and leaving full political power with the host country, eschewing preferential regimes that are common with "former" colonial powers.<China doing imperialism nicely means it's not imperialismYou know, imperialism has some, quite strange effects on the infrastructure of a country. Instead of building railroads in order to ensure the travel between cities, of people moving from one place to another, to ensure that resources are shared, selled and bought by the people in the same country, in different cities. The infrastructure is quite different in these places, it isn't that spread out, it isn't from city to city, but instead it's quite barebones. it's from one part of the country, which is really away from land, and into a city on the coast. This is because infrastructure in an imperialized country is made in order to ensure the resources are exported, not for travel of resources and people between cities. Thus, imperialized countries tend to have really bad infrastructure, but really big railroads that always leads to a port.
See this? This is the supposed plans of China to develop further Africa, notice something?
It's the same pattern, everywhere, single railroads that cross through a country, dividing it in 2, from the deepest part to a port. The only place where this might not be the case is Algeria.
Imperialism is the export of capital. Imperialism is the export of money by capitalists from one country into another where such money will be put to much better use for the capitalist cause they will get a lot more money that if they were to invest it in their own country. The only interest of the capitalist in those countries where it's exports capital is to get more and more capital, and they don't live there, they don't care, they just want to see the green paper flow into their hands, thus, the absolute poor state of these countries being sucked dry by the imperialist bourgeoisie of different countries with the help of the comprador class.
China isn't developing proper infrastructure into Africa, it's making new railroads so their companies can get the resources more rapidly, it's "developing" these countries in order to get more and more materials (and thus, more return of investment) from these countries.
Tbh, I don't know if it's the Chinese state itself that making these infrastructure or chinese bourgs, but regardless, the objective is the same. If it's being done by the state, it's because the state itself has to ensure that they can buy out these countries so they can come into their sphere of influence, away from the US for the beneffit of the chinese bourgeoisie. It's the state, leaded by the bourgs, so the bourgs can get more and more money. Instead of putting their money in order to make it's own infrastructure better and make it's populace live better lives (supposedly there's still subsistance farmers in China), it's spending it's money in Africa.
China is imperialist, because it is capitalist, and this is the proof of it
No.506004
>>506001Btw, forgot to add this.
Read it, you need to.
No.506006
When a big and powerful country trades with a smol third world shitter it's automatically imperialism
No.506007
>>506006>smol third world shitterleast chauvinistic dengist
No.506008
>>506001Wage Labor is not inherently bad.
Any exchange and contract that occurs is consensual, respecting local law and leaving full political power to the State, eschewing preferential regimes of any sort.
No.506009
When China buys up Australian ports airports, power stations, land, resource deposits and builds massive highways there is it doing an Imperailism on the Anglo?
No.506010
>>506009Indeed.
If it is for resource extractionand capital export, it quite literally is.
No.506011
>>506003Imperialist countries are stil extracting more value from China than China gets from them (the Western powers of old.)
No.506013
>>506008So it’s paying taxes in a state, which is located inside of a state?
No.506016
>believing Putin will take a chance having almost the entirety of Europe and Asia up his ass
This is all a dick-waving and peacock tail show. The man is an absolute mad lad but this isn't 2014 Crimea.
No.506017
>>506016Nah. It's Russo-Chinese reversal of the Sino-Soviet split and they will simultaniousley attack NATO: Russia will go into Ukraine and try to reach Poland (and reverse Trotsky's faliure of 1920), and China will attack Taiwan, concluding the revolutionary victory and destroying Koumintang and its offspring once and for all.
No.506018
>>506014Except you sound exactly like a succdem like Agent Kochinski.
No.506019
>>506017Kuomintang was already defeated by the liberal party of taiwan, the DPP.
No.506020
>>506007>Chauvinism is when realityKenya is poorer than China and it is indeed smaller. You’re being a westernoid “leftist” and analyze everything through emotions.
No.506022
>>506003>connecting major cities is splitting them upYou don’t know how fucking trains work
No.506023
>>506021Nobody called it a shithole. It’s objectively poorer than China.
Most western leftists need a lobotomy, all they do is get triggered at everything and hardly ever use dialectical materialism. Rightoids just need to be thrown into the cuckpits the liberals need the wall and porky needs the guillotine.
No.506024
>>506018>Having read imperialism, the highest stage of imperialism, and understood it, mean I'm CIA.>But this other guy, from a party that sold itself to the EU, is not. In fact I hold his opinion quite highly.Dude I'm the guy who says NATO wants to balkanize Russia and will support Russia in everything they do in the foreign relations department, but that doesn't mean I will delude myself in order to cope because of 1991.
No.506025
>>506022T. Doesn't have reading comprehension
No.506027
>>506023kill yourself instead of slinging buzzwords hypocrite
No.506028
>>506026T. can't take a L
No.506030
>>506029You didn’t prove me wrong at all. One guy kept claiming that building railroads is imperialism and it splits countries. How? It doesn’t. Countries need railroads to move their goods in between each other.
No.506032
>>506030Dude I hope you are ESL because your reading comprehension is 8th grade level
>>506031Based
No.506034
Lavrov says U.S. put forward concrete proposals on reducing military risks and we can see a way to move forward with talkshttps://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1493204548659335175Another RESOUNDING victory for fizzlegang.
Nothingburger lives on.
No.506035
Why did the thread become so active?
No.506036
>>506003> It's the state, leaded by the bourgsBourgs in China don’t run the state, the state run the bourgs (if they’re even present). State owned industries don’t have bourgs (they will be locked up) nor do employee-owned cooperatives (like the possibly millions of farms in China).
No.506038
>>506033No you didn’t. You have no reading comprehension
No.506039
There are so many fucking redditoids in this thread. Mods get rid of them.
No.506040
Nothing is going to happen. This is just a giant psyop by the Russian military.
No.506041
>>506036>the state run the bourgshow in the everloving fuck does that even work. if they take orders then they're a civil servant and not a capitalist.
>(if they’re even present)"""if"""
No.506043
>>506038we did you just don't have reading comprehension
No.506046
>>506041They literally force their CEO’s to pay out of pocket.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-10/evergrande-s-hui-forced-to-sell-part-of-stake-in-defaulted-firm ^It’s from capitalist shit news so you know it has an anti-China bias.
Don’t forget what happened to Jack Ma. You step out of line, you’re fucked.
No.506047
>>506043Except you didn’t. You just said, lol Yanis and left.
No.506048
>>506030>You didn’t prove me wrong at all. One guy kept claiming that building railroads is imperialism and it splits countries. How? It doesn’t. Countries need railroads to move their goods in between each other.Here, read it again. You need to:
>Get off it China is not imperialist against any country. Any trade and investment that occurs is consensual, respecting local laws and leaving full political power with the host country, eschewing preferential regimes that are common with "former" colonial powers.<China doing imperialism nicely means it's not imperialismYou know, imperialism has some, quite strange effects on the infrastructure of a country. Instead of building railroads in order to ensure the travel between cities, of people moving from one place to another, to ensure that resources are shared, selled and bought by the people in the same country, in different cities. The infrastructure is quite different in these places, it isn't that spread out, it isn't from city to city, but instead it's quite barebones. it's from one part of the country, which is really away from land, and into a city on the coast. This is because infrastructure in an imperialized country is made in order to ensure the resources are exported, not for travel of resources and people between cities. Thus, imperialized countries tend to have really bad infrastructure, but really big railroads that always leads to a port.
See this? This is the supposed plans of China to develop further Africa, notice something?
It's the same pattern, everywhere, single railroads that cross through a country, dividing it in 2, from the deepest part to a port. The only place where this might not be the case is Algeria.
Imperialism is the export of capital. Imperialism is the export of money by capitalists from one country into another where such money will be put to much better use for the capitalist cause they will get a lot more money that if they were to invest it in their own country. The only interest of the capitalist in those countries where it's exports capital is to get more and more capital, and they don't live there, they don't care, they just want to see the green paper flow into their hands, thus, the absolute poor state of these countries being sucked dry by the imperialist bourgeoisie of different countries with the help of the comprador class.
China isn't developing proper infrastructure into Africa, it's making new railroads so their companies can get the resources more rapidly, it's "developing" these countries in order to get more and more materials (and thus, more return of investment) from these countries.
Tbh, I don't know if it's the Chinese state itself that making these infrastructure or chinese bourgs, but regardless, the objective is the same. If it's being done by the state, it's because the state itself has to ensure that they can buy out these countries so they can come into their sphere of influence, away from the US for the beneffit of the chinese bourgeoisie. It's the state, leaded by the bourgs, so the bourgs can get more and more money. Instead of putting their money in order to make it's own infrastructure better and make it's populace live better lives (supposedly there's still subsistance farmers in China), it's spending it's money in Africa.
China is imperialist, because it is capitalist, and this is the proof of it
No.506049
>>506046>bourgs have to follow regulations therefore the country isn't capitalistkek had me going there
No.506050
>>506046Jack Ma still retains like 90% of its money and is still breathing.
I wish I'd be fucked like he is.
No.506051
>>506003> China isn't developing proper infrastructure into AfricaWhat’s your definition of “proper infrastructure”?
No.506052
Russian parliament to discuss draft bills on Donbass recognitionMOSCOW, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Russia's parliament will vote on Tuesday to decide whether to ask President Vladimir Putin to recognise two Russian-backed breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent, the speaker of the Duma lower house said.
Vyacheslav Volodin said lawmakers would consider two alternative resolutions on recognition of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, in the area known as the Donbass, where separatist forces have been fighting the Ukrainian army since 2014.
Under the first, parliament would appeal directly to Putin to recognise them as independent. The second, sponsored by deputies from the dominant United Russia party, would first seek the views of the Foreign Ministry and other government agencies.
The conflict is part of a wider crisis, with the United States warning that Russia may attack Ukraine at any time with a force of more than 100,000 troops massed near its borders. Russia denies any such plan and accuses the West of hysteria.
Recognition of the two regions would be a significant step that would effectively kill off the existing Minsk peace process for east Ukraine to which Russia says it is committed. For that reason, some analysts are sceptical that Putin would want to take such a step.
The alternative path of consulting the Foreign Ministry appeared designed to play for time and avoid bringing the issue to a head, at a moment when military tensions are high but Russia says there is still room for diplomacy.
The idea of asking Putin to recognise the breakaway territories was first floated by lawmakers on Jan. 19 but has taken weeks to get onto parliament's agenda, with the Kremlin declining to comment on whether it likes the idea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-draft-resolution-east-ukraine-regions-seeks-foreign-ministry-view-2022-02-14/ No.506053
>>506050That’s because the CPC threatened to take his wealth.
No.506054
>>506053What is because of that?
No.506055
>>506003>anon learns that most major cities and population centres across the globe are on the coast>buildings railroads is a bad thing now >implying the only thing China is doing is building railroads and not everything related to the infrastructure of a developed nationit's bait
No.506056
>>506055Just out of curiosity, how much are the railroad workers paid?
No.506057
>>506051>What’s your definition of “proper infrastructure”?Infrastructure that is put there in order to make the lives of those who live there (be it to travel or to trade between eachother) easier, and not a direct mine-to-sea railroad.
Proper infrastructure is, to put an example, what European countries have, an infrastructure which was put in place in order to make the country (the national bourgs all from different cities, be it tourism or shipment of goods) richer, not to make other bourgs from a different country richer. In germany you can go whenever you want to by train, to put an example, and in dire situations in a car in a somewhat supported roads, hell you can probably do this in Romania o Serbia. In Africa, the structure is to have a direct railroad from the mine into a port for quick extraction of resources, and it has been like this since the colonial powers partitioned Africa, and the rest of towns just have to suck it up on shitty dirt roads that get muddy all the time.
>>506055Cope.
There's a reason why China is building and planning railroads like the european powers once did, and it's for resource extraction. One direct way towards the sea so the products can be shipped and sold quickly.
No.506059
>>506058Sizzlegang wins again.
No.506060
>>506052> Look West we might annex the Donbass now! The most likely thing is that Putin is bluffing and wasn't gonna do an invasion. The most likely thing is that Putin is trying to take the West and Ukraine on a roller coaster, sending contradictory political signals both with the help of political statements and with the help of troop movements. He's likely trying to test the resolve of the West and Ukraine, pressing in different places and analyzing where it gives in and breaks, and where it doesn’t.
The West has played into his provocation and is playing along with it. If they just ignored him and maintained the status quo would they be in a better position versus Russia? Just let him hold the drills and don't screech about it for months? The West also sent a bunch of mixed signals and contradictory messages. The shit that they demonstrated is : They would only do new sanctions if Putin actually attack's Ukraine. They would abandon Ukraine in the event of an attack. They are willing to negotiate on some Russian security demands. But if Putin doesn't attack which is the most likely outcome then Biden and his team look good and competent.
No.506061
>>506057you don't think that these countries need these railroads to extract their resources because selling resources is how they accumulate the capital to develop
No.506064
>>506061>you don't think that these countries need these railroads to extract their resources because selling resources is how they accumulate the capital to developThe resources are not sold by the country, it's sold by a multinational. The benefits go to Nestle or whatever mining company, not to the nigerian goverment. The only way they could beneffit from this is from taxes…
Hell, they might not even pay taxes to the nigerian goverment because of corruption.
No.506065
>>506063Reasonable.
BTW that's not the best representation of France's railroad map
No.506066
>>506060Recognizing the independence of donetsk and luhansk is not the same as annexing them.
No.506071
>>506065>railways connected to port cities and inland townsFrance is imperializing themselves.
No.506073
>>506068>mushroom cloud emblemswtf is that map??
No.506077
>>506074what if Russia just uses this to show how easily the entirety of NATO can get thrown into hysterics
No.506078
>>506069>Nigeria, a country with double the size and double the territory, only has 12 important cities that coincidentally all make a line towards the sea.I mean, you could argue it's the way it is because of past imperialism, but it is a lot more than that, I'm talking not only railroads, but normal roads, which have been developed by the nigerian goverment itself but it's still somewhat lacking. Also, this means that the means of transport of a lot of nigerian cities is trucking and that's it. The actual meat and potatoes of transport of goods, that being railways, is quite lacking because it was made in the mind of resource extraction and that's it.
>America is also like this.And America is retarded and it was literally built for cars (which might also be the reason why there are not that much railways in on itself on nigeria, but whatever) so car manufacturers can get a lot more money.
Also, we were discussing about China's involvement in the continent itself, as far as my knowledge goes, China isn't funding normal roads, it's funding railways, and not even making them, just buying them up so they can prioritize their production.
The railroads you see in nigeria in red in the chinese plans are literally already in place.
No.506081
>>506078rail roads are antiquated
No.506082
>>506079T'was merely an act!
No.506084
>>506081No they aren't you turbo retarded fat fucking idiot
No.506085
>>506083holy shit your formatting is terrible
but its clear you're a coping yuropoor
No.506086
>>506084lol yes they are, there is no need for them now that we have cars
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.506089
>>506086You may think so because the only thing you need to haul is your 500 pound fat American gut to the McDonalds drive through but believe it or not there are larger things than an American that need to be moved
No.506091
>>506088Look at how inefficient they are, thousands of miles of track and not a single drive thru. What about the burgers?
No.506092
>>506089>but believe it or not there are larger things than an American that need to be movedLies, deception.
That's complete bullshit.
There's nothing more dense than an american
No.506093
>>506089seething confirmed
No.506094
>>506093I think you are the one that's seething you just can't tell because of your naturally elevated blood pressure and clammy hands
No.506095
>>506094why would I need to seethe? I don't ever need to sit on a train like Europoors
No.506098
>this thread and /USApol/ have just devolved into 2 people calling each other seething over and over
i hate this website
No.506099
>>506096i think reddit is more your speed
No.506100
>>506097Getting a connection from a neighbouring country to _your_ port is always good business tbh
No.506102
>>506097Okay those little orange lines are imperialism, but those big thick orange lines have to be superimperialism
No.506103
>>506101don't need to when cars exist lmao
No.506104
>>506048>Thus, imperialized countries tend to have really bad infrastructure, but really big railroads that always leads to a port.
<imperialism is when big railroad God, you anticommunist people are pathetic.
>Imperialism is the export of capital.Imperialism is when capital literally gets exported. When markets have to be secured with the force of arms and economic coercion. China doesn't export it's capital, it merely sells railroads and factories. Chinese porkies are extremely small, it's all SOEs doing business, and at cheap price, and with a lot of freebies.
>If it's being done by the state, it's because the state itself has to ensure that they can buy out these countries so they can come into their sphere of influence, away from the US for the beneffit of the chinese bourgeoisie.Prove it. It's cute for you to say this shit with no proofs whatsoever and with merely theoretical constructs. Come on, prove that China's actually building all fo this for chinese porkies, lol. Show us those beneficiaries!
No.506105
Can US and China bros fuck off to their own threads? This is Ukraine happening thread, not Chinese railroad vs American hamburger thread.
No.506106
>>506102Bigger the orange line, the imperiliaster it is
No.506107
>>506105Hamburgers vs railroads will be the defining all encompassing conflict of the 21st century and the Ukraine crisis is merely a small aspect of it.
No.506108
>>506003Well you see the organization leading China is named"communist party"so it's not imperialism when their capitalist class extracts super profits trough exploitation of labor and resources in under developed countries for capital exports. Hope that helped, socialism 2050!
No.506109
>>505998
>You can be both imperialist and be defending yourself against an outside invader who wants to tear you to pieces, capitalist countries can only be anti-other_people's_imperialisms. The only countries that can deem themselves as truly anti-imperialist are communist ones, as those don't have the motive to be imperialist Wrong. It has nothing to do with motive.
>You haven't read imperialism, the highest stage (and last btw) of capitalism. That's not imperialism, it's economic warfare. No it is imperialism. The only reason the US is able to do that is because of their monopoly control. Russia does not have a monopoly.
>Capitalism can only have one winner. Either you get more money than the rival and make them bankrupt or you bankrupt with your rival taking up what you left.Exactly. The anti-imperialist position is critical support for actions that decrease US monopoly.
No.506111
Seeing lots of shit on OSINT Twitter about Russian forces moving to “attack positions” so if something is going to happen, it’ll happen within the next day it seems.
No.506112
>>506110this, coupled with oligarchs leaving the country and fashoids declaring they'll overthrow the government if any compromises are made, has me certain zelensky's about to get couped by burgers
No.506113
>>506102>Isiolo: 45 989 inhabitants>Lodwar: 58 218 inhabitants>Nakodok: Doesn't has a census>Moyale: 400.000 to 600.000 (It's actually Ethiopian).>Garissa: 450 399 inhabitants>Lamu Town: 25 385 inhabitants, a port.>Malaba: 7 302 inhabitants>Rongai: No census.>Kisumu: 344 487 inhabitants>Nairobi: The capital, makes sense it passes on there.>Voi: 45,483 inhabitants.>Mombasa: 5 million or so (It's quite the ancient city, pretty important on the indus trade and also nowadays, a port).11 Out of 103 towns have railroads
Not to say all of them should, but that's a pititful number.
>>506106>>506102Guys, this is not something only China fucking does, in fact most of these railway lines have been planned and made by it's colonial powers of the time, be it the UK, France, Germany or Italy. How come when those countries do it it's imperialism but when China does the same planning for the same reason it's not.
You gotta give me a valid reason by China is doing so.
>To spread socialism.How.
No.506114
>>506109>Wrong. It has nothing to do with motive. You're telling me a socialist country can be imperialist?
>No it is imperialism. The only reason the US is able to do that is because of their monopoly control. Russia does not have a monopoly. Read the fugging book. Imperialism is the export of capital to non-developed countries.
No.506115
>>506111If this is true, then this will most likely be seen by US satellites. I'm not going to believe it until more reputatable sources start reporting it.
No.506116
Putin shows his hand. Russian State Duma is gonna vote on recognising Donbass and Luhansk as independent states tomorrow. This means that if Ukraine attacks those regions, Russia will respond with force. This might actually mean war.
https://tass.com/world/1403111 No.506117
>>506114No it isn't.
>We have to begin with as precise and full a definition of imperialism as possible. Imperialism is a specific historical stage of capitalism. Its specific character is threefold: imperialism is monopoly capitalism; parasitic, or decaying capitalism; moribund capitalism. The supplanting of free competition by monopoly is the fundamental economic feature, the quintessence of imperialism. Monopoly manifests itself in five principal forms: (1) cartels, syndicates and trusts—the concentration of production has reached a degree which gives rise to these monopolistic associations of capitalists; (2) the monopolistic position of the big banks—three, four or five giant banks manipulate the whole economic life of America, France, Germany; (3) seizure of the sources of raw material by the trusts and the financial oligarchy (finance capital is monopoly industrial capital merged with bank capital); (4) the (economic) partition of the world by the international cartels has begun. There are already over one hundred such international cartels, which command the entire world market and divide it “amicably” among themselves—until war redivides it. The export of capital, as distinct from the export of commodities under non-monopoly capitalism, is a highly characteristic phenomenon and is closely linked with the economic and territorial-political partition of the world; (5) the territorial partition of the world (colonies) is completed.Russia does not have a monopoly. The US does. You even explain how with their treaties to Saudi Arabia. Destabilization of the petrodollar is anti-imperialist and increases wages through competition.
No.506118
>>506112That would be twice in eight years, probably a rate the US is okay with
No.506120
So it's actually le happening this time?
No.506121
The Russian ambassador to the UN is currently on stream with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6lO0kppQkk No.506122
So if the US is not willing to guarantee against NATO encroachment does that mean Russia gets to shuffle their troops at the border and troll NATO forever?
Because other than war, it seems the only one losing anything here is the US losing influence as the rest of NATO hate their guts for shitting up western Europe with military BS, disturbing their politics displaying their subservience for all to see and compromising their profits… Is it then to be assumed that NATO will push to start WW3?
No.506127
Nothingburger? Nothingburger.
No.506128
>>506117>The export of capital, as distinct from the export of commodities under non-monopoly capitalism, is a highly characteristic phenomenon and is closely linked with the economic and territorial-political partition of the world;<The export of capital isn't imperialism.<Implying Russia doesn't have all of the other 4 conditions which aren't on itself imperialism but the conditions that generate it.
>Russia does not have a monopoly. A country
doesn't have a monopoly, its bourgeoisie have a monopoly inside of the country which tries to expand outwards. The steel and railway company of Germany, or the Rhine, or however it was called was a trust that formed after decades of capitalism in Germany as capitalism advanced and fewer and fewer companies were left either bankrupt or absorbed by bigger companies. A country doesn't have a monopoly, a company has, and that specific company I talked about before, the steel and railway company, was a monopoly inside of Germany. As monopolies form, they have so much money that they can export it elsewhere where the return of investment is higher, as the returnal of profit in their home country has been dried up already thanks to years of development. That's why these monopolies (which are also conjoined with the bank bourgs, making the financial bourgeoisie if I'm correct) have the state itself conquer and "civilise" other countries, be it african, asian, or slavic. There was a need to conquer these countries as that way the development of these would be a lot higher (at the cost of millions of lives) as it would be forced instead of negotiating with the kingdoms that populated there at the moment.
Nowadays that capitalism is pretty much everywhere, this process of conquering and developing is no longer needed as the structure to export capital into these countries it's already in place.
Also, when did Lenin talk about the petrodollar in Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism?
Yea, I know that the Petrodollar became a thing like 50 years after Lenin died, but the petrodollar is quite literally the treaty between two countries that help eachother, the US and Saudi Arabia, in which both have the same power. If any of them pull out, they would both be in deep shit, in fact in this Saudi Arabia has the upper hand, if Saudi Arabia doesn't want to sell in dollars it petroleum, the only real threat for them is Iran declaring them war, but the US then would fucking implode because of the billions and billions of dollars that then would be worthless. The petrodollar is neither a monopoly, neither imperialism, another thing is that it has been birthed thanks to imperialism, military might and it's geopolitical position that America was able to afford this, and I say afford this cause it's Saudi Arabia who has grabbed by the balls the US, not the other way around.
No.506131
>>506116Yup, this is it. The casus belli and the trap. Declare LNR and DNR independent, watch if the Ukrainoids sperg out and attack, then have justification to retaliate. If no attack, then NATO looks like a bunch of pussies unable to do anything about Russian geopolitical moves.
No.506132
>>506128>Capitalism is imperialism
<Imperialism is a specific historical stage of capitalism.
<Imperialism is monopoly capitalism
<The supplanting of free competition by monopoly is the fundamental economic feature, the quintessence of imperialism.
<the concentration of production has reached a degree which gives rise to these monopolistic associations of capitalists;
<the monopolistic position of the big banks—three, four or five giant banks manipulate the whole economic life of America, France, Germany;
<finance capital is monopoly industrial capital merged with bank capital
<There are already over one hundred such international cartels, which command the entire world market and divide it “amicably” among themselvesAre Gazprom Rosneft Lukoil Sinopec etc owned by BlackRock, Chase, JPMorgan? Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits? Does OPEC, ARAMCO, BP, EXXON, SHELL, control more than 50% of the market share of petroleum? Do
they work "amicably" to divide their profits? Does oil set downstream prices for all existing commodities in the global market by virtue of being the fuel for transport? For all manufactured items by being the fuel for factories? For all food by being the primary constituent of modern fertilizer?
>in which both have the same powerYes its called a cartel.
No.506134
>>506131Exactly. Next few days will be tense.
No.506135
>he still believes that something is gonna happen
No.506136
>>506135you can't live forever on nothingburgers, the people demand delicious, nutritious
somethingburgers No.506137
so is Crimea still Russian?
what if this same thing? Nato was much stronger 8-10 years ago when russia did that
No.506138
>>506136>cheering on a pointless warbut why
No.506139
>>506136Sanctions and pipelines are somethingburgers
No.506140
>>506135You will spend next years of your life going from a flashpoint to a flashpoint, until they are happening every day, or until one of them actually escalates.
Claiming that nothing will happen only proves you're an anti-communist, or an idealist (same difference).
No.506142
>>506135What do you mean? It is already happening. Its been happening for 8 years.
No.506144
>>506143>20 threads of Chinese rail arguments laterftfy
No.506145
>Are Gazprom Rosneft Lukoil Sinopec etc owned by BlackRock, Chase, JPMorgan?Do they have to be american banks exactly? Regardless, supposedly the bank of New York Mellon owns 16.7% of Gazprom.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/273267/shareholder-structure-of-gazprom/In fact, Russia actually has about 38.37% or so and there's 2 other companies, which is administrated by the russian goverment as well, that has the 10.97 left and the other the 0.89%.
>Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits?Don't know, do you know it? pls tell me and show sources for it.
>Does OPEC, ARAMCO, BP, EXXON, SHELL, control more than 50% of the market share of petroleum?Tbh I don't think so.
>Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits?As in if they compenetrate themselves to have the same prices or so? I mean, two years ago somehow the petrol barrel got into the negative prices, don't think so.
>Does oil set downstream prices for all existing commodities in the global market by virtue of being the fuel for transport?Yes, dunno why you ask this, not that relevant aside from remarking that Oil is pretty much what makes the world run.
>Yes (the alliance between the US and Saudi Arabia) its called a cartel.How.
Isn't this a business term, for companies?
Is the US a company?
Can countries make cartels as well?
Was the allied powers a cartel or am I understanding you wrong?
No.506148
>>506146Did Canada sell them a single bullet?
No.506150
something just happened in my pants
No.506153
I wish Biden wasn't so limpdicked and had actually given Ukraine security guarantees. Not troops on ground but airsupport
No.506156
>>505819The nazis didn't last 1000 weeks
No.506157
>>506154McFaul is a slimy worm
No.506159
Hot take:
>US media has been claiming Russia will be behind a false-flag to spark war with Ukraine
>Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - trained by the US of A - will actually be behind a false flag, either outright attacking Ukraine positions outright under the guise as ruskies or provoking Russian forces through an attack in which they are forced to respond
>US media either way blames Russian aggression
>somethingburger
As it stands now I don't see any military conflict escalating otherwise
No.506160
See? Nothingburger!
No.506161
>>506158this is some sitcom shit, somebody should make a tv series about Zelensky's presidency
No.506162
>>506161Funny you say that
No.506163
>>506161There is a sitcom where he plays the president. It's what got him elected.
No.506164
>>506150Did you shit yourself?
No.506165
>>506158>>506158you got what you deserve for fucking playing with nazis in bed.
No.506166
>>506160WAITthere, on the side, i think i see something! could there be
something in this
burger?
No.506167
A RUSSIAN JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
No.506168
>>506167Здрасте, товарищ порцюк
No.506169
>>506146Are you sure that's not a typo? That sounds like a fucking prank lmao.
No.506170
https://twitter.com/ViewsParallax/status/1491916210811944965
>On this edition of Parallax Views, journalist Lev Golinkin joins me to discuss the U.S. arming of the Azov Battalion and Ukranian far-right neo-Nazi elements. Lev is the author of A Backpack, a Bear, and Eight Crates of Vodka and arrived in the U.S. as a child refugee Kharkov, a city in eastern Ukraine. His writings on Ukraine have been featured in The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, The Forward, The Nation, and Time.Com. For some time now Lev has been raising the alarm bells about the U.S. arming of the Azov Battalion and far-right elements in Ukraine. He is quick to point out that, of course, not all Ukrainians are of this fascist ultranationalist contingent, but that concerns about the Azov Battalion and other Ukranian ultranationalist organizations are not merely Russian/Kremlin propaganda. The U.S. support for elements like the Azov Battalion could, Lev believes, lead to forms of blowback especially as news surfaces that U.S. neo-nazis heading over to Ukraine to network with and receive paramilitary training from the.
>Lev and I delve into the history of the Azov Battalion and the history of Ukranian ultranationalism more broadly going back to the figure of Stepan Bandera in WWII, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, and the origins of Ukranian ultranationalism in Galicia. Lev explains the sordid history of Ukranian ultranationalists and their violence against Poles, Jews, and even fellow Ukranians. Additionally, Lev and I talk about the Maidan uprising, the targeting of Ukranian Jewish activist Eduard Dolinsky by neo-nazi elements, Obama-era foreign policy official Evelyn Farkas and her comments on the U.S. support of Ukranian ultranationalists, the horrific pogroms against the Roma by Ukranian ultranationalists today, the Atlantic Council's defense of the Azov Battalion, Andriy Yevhenovych Biletsky of the far-right Ukranian political party National Corps and its connection to the Azov Battalion, countering claims that discussion of the Azov Battalion is just Russian propaganda, the "freedom fighters" vs. "neo-nazis" distinction, Nazi monuments around the world, Werner Von Braun and Operation Paper Clip, the foreign policy establishment and the military-industrial complex, and much, much more No.506171
Best outcome for this shit is putin invades but fails harder than Afghanistan. Government then collapses and the Communists take power. Unfortunately Zyuganov is incompetent af so the libs or some fascists are more likely to take over. Which means that the next best case scenario is no war but Russia gets the pipeline.
No.506173
>>506171No, the best outcome is NATO falling apart after everyone realizes no one is willing to die for Ukraine and then the communists taking power in Russia
No.506174
Best case scenario is Putin invades, the invasion is successful, and Putin is eventually replaced by a dengoid
No.506175
>>506173Sure if you're an idealist I guess.
No.506176
>>506174best case scenario is that the invasion just secures donetsk and new terms are negotiated to dissolve the nazi gangs
No.506177
>>506175Tell me with a straight face you’re willing to die for ukraine or that anyone else is. Germany needs russian oil so that they won’t freeze to death.
No.506178
>>506177I am not entirely sure how tou go from people not wanting to be sent to Ukraine (which isn't going to happen because conscription would be political suicide for anyone who proposes it) to NATO collapsing and Russia for some reason having a communist revolution.
No.506179
>>506113>but when China does the same planning for the same reason it's not.You are doing the same stupid shit as the libs who cope about Soviet economic performance in 1920-50s by saying that the West industrialized them. A country buying factories and industrial stuff =/= West exporting capital to them. China sells factories and railroads, while Westerners demand ownership of the things built - because those give control. When China builds a port in West Africa, port goes to the government, usually some joint venture with transitional Chinese ownership that will go away in a couple of decades. When the West builds a port in West Africa, some porky keeps it forever in his property. That's the most obvious difference, isn't it?
No.506180
>>506154I've never been able to square McFaul's reputation with his actual advice and commentary on Russian matters.
No.506181
>>506179So china sells goods on the market in a non-imperialist way? So china is practicing a non-imperialist form of capitalism? And the means of production for the goods that are shipped to africa are located in china, and not under the control of the africans?
No.506184
Embedding error.
>Why Is This AK-47-Toting Ukrainian Grandma Being Trained by Neo-Nazis?https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dpdd/why-is-this-ak-47-toting-ukrainian-grandma-being-trained-by-neo-nazisVolkstrumm energy
Wouldn't be surprised if the borgers plan involved them getting the AZOV to basically press gang half of Ukraine into throwing themselves into Russian bullets, And then recontextualizing the dead combatants as.
>"RUSSIAN TROOPS MASS MURDER ELDERLY UKRAINIAN'S TO DRIVE THEM FROM THEIR HOMES" No.506186
>>506184Бабушка бы получила по заслугам
No.506187
G.A. Zyuganov: "Recognition of the DPR and LPR should be Russia's firm response to US provocations!"https://kprf.ru/party-live/cknews/208562.htmlIn recent weeks, the situation around Ukraine has sharply escalated. There are accusations of Russia's intention to act as an occupier. In fact, the cause of the crisis is that the Washington puppeteers of the Kiev leadership and Bandera formations are persistently trying to organize a massacre in the Donbass. For the sake of solving their geopolitical tasks, they are ready to arrange another large-scale bloodshed.
The West categorically does not want to see the concentration of military units of the Ukrainian army on the border with the DPR and LPR. Almost all combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are deployed on this territory: 125,000 soldiers and officers. Heavy artillery and tank units are drawn into the same zone. Continuous aerial reconnaissance is being carried out. There are all signs of preparing an offensive operation against the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics.
Alas, the United States and its vassals in Kiev are really capable of fanning the fire of a fratricidal war. The grouping of Russian troops near the Ukrainian border, even according to US officials, does not exceed 100,000 servicemen. Ukraine has 125,000 troops in the Donbas region alone. Meanwhile, elementary knowledge of military affairs suggests that a successful offensive operation requires a threefold superiority. So where is the real threat?
The Pentagon and even the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine declare that they see no signs of impending aggression. American intelligence, having lived through the shame of lies about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, does not seem to want a new humiliation. But this does not stop Western politicians who habitually ignore the obvious. A “hybrid war” is being continued against Russia using lies, fraud and disinformation.
Yes, Russia has interests throughout the post-Soviet space. They are also connected with Ukraine. These are the interests of peace and good neighborliness, a calm and dignified life of citizens, economic development and cultural cooperation.
Meanwhile, the West has demonstrated its readiness to rely on the most reactionary circles. The predecessors of the current Bandera are directly guilty of the genocide of the Russian, Belarusian and their own peoples. It was their punitive detachments that carried out the wildest reprisals against the population of the partisan regions of Belarus, burned the inhabitants of hundreds of villages alive. Today this vile public with its aggressive Russophobia and anti-Semitism is welcomed by Western politicians.
More than 600,000 residents of the DPR and LPR have already received citizenship of the Russian Federation. Our country is directly responsible for their safety and life itself. We cannot allow the inevitable reprisal against these people if Bandera's punishers break in there. Russia has already seen enough of their deeds. As a result of the barbaric shelling of cities and villages of the DPR and LPR, more than 15,000 civilians were killed. Tens of thousands of men and women, old people and children were injured. Hundreds of thousands became refugees.
The Communist Party of the Russian Federation and our allies have firmly defined their political line. We clearly stated it on April 24, 2021 in the Address of the XVIII Congress of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation “To the fraternal Ukrainian people”. We confirmed our position in the recent appeal of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the Party to the Ukrainian brothers under the title "In the name of the holy bonds of comradeship!". We firmly know that the peoples of Russia and Ukraine do not need war. It also runs counter to the fundamental interests of Europe. But the authorities of the United States need it.
Washington has been defeated in every war in recent decades. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan are just some of the countries in which the United States has unleashed wars and ingloriously lost. Now they are eager to fight by proxy. This time the Washington "hawks" set out to turn the Ukrainians into "cannon fodder". Political cover, the supply of weapons, the activities of Western instructors - all this openly pushes the authorities in Kiev to a bloody military adventure.
If the cynical plan works, the spilled Russian blood will be paid for with the blood of Ukrainians. To allow this madness is to allow an unprecedented historical crime to be committed. We must by all means breathe into the hearts of the inhabitants of multinational Ukraine the readiness to resist the dangerous games of the globalists and their henchmen. The time has come to rise together to thwart vile and extremely dangerous designs.
The bastards in white shirts and expensive ties are targeting not only Russia and Ukraine, but also Europe. The United States insists on tough sanctions against our country, already habitually using the “Ukrainian card”. At the same time, they are launching a new stage in the struggle against their competitor, the European Union. The US has an extremely low trade turnover with Russia. But Europe has broad and profitable trade and economic ties with our country. A military conflict with Russia would allow Washington to drive European countries into new, economic-destructive sanctions.
American globalists set the task not to protect Ukraine, but to crawl out of the acute crisis of capitalism. It is extremely important for them to get new benefits by torpedoing the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline and hooking the EU economy on the needle of their expensive liquefied gas. This is the true background of the current military crisis around Ukraine.
Russia is finally moving away from the pernicious idolatry of the West. For everyone who wants to understand what is happening, it is useful to read the poem by A.S. Pushkin "Slanderers of Russia". Even then, almost two centuries ago, the goals of the Western powers in relation to our peoples and the Slavic brotherhood were clear. This means that today it is extremely important to show the will in the way it was done in the days of support for the peoples of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008, and in the way we supported the legitimate governments of Syria, Belarus and Kazakhstan. It's time to show character in the Donbass.
We are surrounded by a chain of unfriendly states. It is impossible to retreat further and nowhere. The West must feel Russia's determination to defend its national interests and its friends.
Of course, only a fundamental change in the path of its development will ensure effective protection of the rights of the broad masses of the people in our country. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not accept the ongoing socio-economic course, offers the working people a program of transformations "Ten Steps to the Power of the People" and the path of socialist revival. But there are issues that need to be addressed immediately. We are ready to support the decisive measures of the official authorities to protect the security of Russia and our fellow citizens in the people's republics of Donbass. And we insist on their immediate adoption. Since 2014, we have consistently and steadily called for official recognition of the DNR and LNR. The voice of millions of their inhabitants was clearly expressed in a referendum in May 2014. And he must be heard!
Western governments and their minions in Kiev trampled on the Minsk agreements. At this extremely alarming and crucial moment in our history, we call on the deputies of the State Duma, regardless of party affiliation, to show their will and support our initiative to officially recognize the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics by the Russian Federation.
Dangerous provocations can no longer be tolerated. Russia cannot allow the capture of cities and villages of the two people's republics, it has no right to ignore the threat of a wild massacre of the civilian population by brutalized Bandera with the blessing of NATO. Warmongers must remember the truth that comes from the depths of centuries: "he who lifts the sword, perishes by the sword." The cause of peace on our planet is always under threat until the supporters of aggression get their hands on it. The time has come to fulfill the mission familiar to Russia and say a firm “no” to any international adventures!
Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party
G.A. Zyuganov.
No.506188
>>506184>79 years ago>1943This bitch was born during the war, probably had her life saved by the Red Army, and now she's fighting for nazi larpers.
How many levels of false consciousness is she on?
No.506189
>>506188Hopefully she’d just surrender to them and the russian troops do nothing to her. But if she’s actually willing to die in combat, she’ll get what’s coming to her
No.506191
>>506190and then the USA starts lobbing nukes and we all die
No.506192
I-I'm gonna, I'm gonna NOTHINGBURGER!
No.506193
>>506187In b4 western leftists who know better.
No.506194
It's over
MOSCOW, 15 February. /TASS/. Russian armored vehicles that participated in the exercises of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are loaded onto railway platforms to return to their permanent deployment points. The relevant footage was published on Tuesday by the Russian military department.
Earlier, Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters that the units of the Southern and Western military districts, which had completed their tasks, had already begun loading onto rail and road transport and would begin moving to their military garrisons as early as Tuesday.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13710557?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop No.506195
>>506190Where does Antarctica and the international space station come into play
No.506196
>>506191>and then the USA starts lobbing nukes and we all dieLet those who dwell here in his favored land attend now to the words of the Prophet of
Atom!
Let the men, women, and children of the Earth come forth to gather and witness the power of
Atom! Behold! He is coming with the clouds! And every eye shall be blind with his glory! Every ear shall be stricken deaf to hear the thunder of his voice!
Give your bodies to
Atom, my friends. Release yourself to his power, feel his
Glow, and be
Divided. There shall be no tears, no sorrow, no suffering, for in the
Division, we shall see our release from the pain and hardships of this world. Indeed, your suffering shall exist no longer; it shall be washed away in
Atom's Glow, burned from you in the fire of his brilliance.
Atom, come bestow your presence on your unworthy servant!
Each of us shall give birth to a billion stars formed from the mass of our wretched and filthy bodies. Each of us shall be mother and father to a trillion civilizations. Each of us shall know peace, shall know an end to pain, and shall know
Atom in his glory! Merciful
Atom, I give unto you these feeble bones! I present to your will this frail body! I beg of you to use me as your vessel, guide me to your brilliance,
divide each particle and give relief to this rotten flesh. Cast the fragile form of this ephemeral shell into new life in the forge of your
Glow.
We stay true, until the
Day of Division until the dawn of His return to our humble world.
No.506197
Putin chucked out
He has embarrassed the Russians
No.506198
>>506181>And the means of production for the goods that are shipped to africa are located in china, and not under the control of the africansTrade is not imperialism, autarky is not socialism. China is not imposing any constraints on the growth of African industry (via for example imposing legislative reform as the IMF often does) and even supports it via infrastructure development. But until African industry develops organically, they have to buy their motorcycles, cellphones and medicine somewhere don't they.
No.506199
>>506194Maskirovka, they are merely pretending
No.506200
>>506191They will do this anyway, except if a foreign power becomes powerfull enough to take over and gets control of USA nuklear arsenal
No.506201
>>506199Cope. It's ogre. Putin cucked out again.
No.506202
sizzlebros we got too cocky
No.506204
>>506202Nooo. I want it all to end already. PLS. We need to be wiped out and we have to start from scratch, from the pre-stone age era.
No.506206
Fizzlegang wins again
No.506207
>>506198>China is not imposing any constraints on the growth of African industry (via for example imposing legislative reform as the IMF often does)Doesn't it though? I haven't studied this topic in depth, but I've definitely heard a lot of whining about China's "debt-trap diplomacy" from porky media.
No.506208
>>506207it's an odd accusation considering the IMF is the embodiment of debt-trap diplomacy. china is much more willing to restructure debt or write off large amounts of the loan, they don't intend to profit on the loans in the short term and are more interested in securing good will and gaining allies for the long term
No.506209
>>506194Putin should move them all back when the West declares victory.
No.506210
Biden approval will go up. He made Putin back down and bend the knee
Prevented world war
No.506212
>>506207>>506208 (me)
this video comes to mind if you have interest in the topic
No.506213
>>506211What a cope. They didn't move 100k soldiers for nothing
No.506214
>>506213They did it for the banter
No.506215
Any chance it could just be a troop rotation or did Putin actually change his mind about an invasion.
No.506216
>>506181Cute how you try to evade answering the question of who will own the railroads, buildings, ports and factories China has built in Africa.
>And the means of production for the goods that are shipped to africa are located in chinaTrading with others is now a proof of capitalism/imperialism? Woah there, buddy
No.506217
>>506215If you believe for a nanosecond that they ever wanted to "invade Ukraine" you are the dumbest motherfucker, even below redditors.
>>506213They are moving troops to and away from the border every single fucking year, because guess what, it's a very unstable region with a frozen civil war. They are not "coping", they are not "pussying out", they are doing exactly what they are doing every year and you Americans are just too brainwashed to think that moving around troops inside your country means that they are going to invade and possibly start WWIII.
Do you even know that with a bolstered Ukrainian army you would need way more than just 100k men? Do you know how an invasion in a symmetric conflict would even look like? They would have amassed vast amounts of artillery and air support because you don't just sent ground troops into a country without gaining advantage. And then even if they wanted to invade, they wouldn't move them there and just let them sit there for entire world to know.
No.506218
>>506181>So china is practicing a non-imperialist form of capitalism?You know that those exist right? Is Kenya imperialist? Because they have capitalism, duh.
No.506219
>>506208>it's an odd accusation considering the IMF is the embodiment of debt-trap diplomacy.I was going to add that, it's bald-faced hypocrisy considering what the IMF and other institutions have been doing for decades.
>china is much more willing to restructure debt or write off large amounts of the loan…This doesn't necessarily mean that China isn't acting on imperialist interests, merely that there's now another player in the debt trap game with a competing offer. I would beware of falling into the same trap that the "social-patriots" did in 1914, when they insisted that while the other countries are imperialist,
our country is indeed spreading civilization.
>>506212bookmarked
No.506220
>Chancellor Scholz arrives in Russia
>Putin cucks out and pulls back troops
connection?
No.506221
Absolute nothing happened as predicted lol.
No.506222
>>506221I will eat your flesh
No.506223
>If you believe for a nanosecond that they ever wanted to "invade Ukraine" you are the dumbest motherfucker, even below redditors.
They suddenly surrounded Ukraine with a large military presence and refused to elaborate why they were there. Even if they didn't plan on actually invading, they sure made it look like they wanted to.
>They are moving troops to and away from the border every single fucking year, because guess what, it's a very unstable region with a frozen civil war.
Yeah that's bullshit. Sure they've had troops nearby Ukraine for quite a while since they've been at war with them since 2014, but they amassed this large of a military surrounding Ukraine from the east and north.
>They are not "coping", they are not "pussying out", they are doing exactly what they are doing every year
They don't do this every year, idiot.
>you Americans are just too brainwashed to think that moving around troops inside your country means that they are going to invade and possibly start WWIII.
So if the US suddenly placed 500 nuclear weapons on the Seward Peninsula pointing at Russia would you say that Russia would be unreasonable in thinking that was an act of aggression?
>Do you even know that with a bolstered Ukrainian army you would need way more than just 100k men? Do you know how an invasion in a symmetric conflict would even look like?
Depends on what the goal was. If they were planning on occupying the entire country then yeah 130k would be pretty low. If their goal was just to get to Kiev or take more of eastern Ukraine then 130k might be able to get the job done.
>They would have amassed vast amounts of artillery and air support
They did. What the fuck are you talking about?
>because you don't just sent ground troops into a country without gaining advantage.
Can you try phrasing this in English please, I don't even know what you're trying to say here.
>And then even if they wanted to invade, they wouldn't move them there and just let them sit there for entire world to know.
Invasion forces take some time to buildup. They can't just launch an invasion out of nowhere. They have to move their troops into place before they can start. Problem Russia is having is that satellite technology now means people can see they're building up an invasion force the moment it starts.
Holy fuck you're dumb.
No.506224
>>506207>I've definitely heard a lot of whining about China's "debt-trap diplomacy" from porky media.That was a concerted propaganda effort. In reality China is quite reasonable when it comes to loans.
No.506226
>>506202How does it feel to be always losing?
/fizzlegang/ wins again.
Nothing ever happens.
No.506228
>>506223>They suddenly surrounded Ukraine with a large military presence and refused to elaborate why they were there.Russia has no obligation to explain to anybody why they are moving their own troops within their own country, but even then they said "no, we are not going to invade." They move troops there every six months or so for reasonable security concerns and as a deterrence at best so that NATO doesn't secretly deploy troops in Ukraine, you know, especially after it came out that they secretly did deploy tens of thousands of troops in Taiwan. NATO and DEFENDER Europe 2020/2021/2022 move around troops all the time in countries they don't even occupy. The US just bolstered its garrison in Guam, so they wanna invade Australia, right? Completely reasonable assessment.
>Yeah that's bullshit. Sure they've had troops nearby Ukraine for quite a while since they've been at war with them since 2014, but they amassed this large of a military surrounding Ukraine from the east and north.Besides that being factually incorrect, they did the same in 2014 and 2015, Russia is not at war with Ukraine, Jesus Christ. They even have diplomatic relations.
>So if the US suddenly placed 500 nuclear weapons on the Seward Peninsula pointing at Russia would you say that Russia would be unreasonable in thinking that was an act of aggression?Is Sweden part of the US territory now? Don't make me laugh.
>If their goal was just to get to Kiev or take more of eastern Ukraine then 130k might be able to get the job done.Completely unhinged, warmongering bullshit. Why would it be in the slightest interest of Russia to invade Ukraine, Putin's approval ratings have fallen both when the 2014 Donbass crisis happened and when Russia intervened in favour of Syria, why would he risk not only to face a broad anti-war movement in his own country but also destroy any possibility of Nord Stream 2 actually being opened? If Russia wanted to install a more loyal regime, they would definitely face a more extreme color revolution in a few years from now.
>Problem Russia is having is that satellite technology now means people can see they're building up an invasion force the moment it starts.Ah yes, the infamous "satellite pictures" Western secret services constantly put out of rectangular buildings (concentration camps!) and military deployments (invasion force!) that Russia (a country with a literal space force) was unaware of and now suddenly "face this problem". I hope you are not dumb and just pretend to be an idiot ITT
No.506229
As much as I fucking hate Putin, hats off, this was an amazing maneuver, made even better due to how predictable it was. Literally just put tanks on the border and say "boo", making all of NATO + Ukraine shit itself. So funny that it almost makes you forget that CSTO is the modern Holy Alliance bonking any signs of resistance to the post-Soviet oligarchies, as shown in Kazakhstan. Also it can get so much more funny if he literally just does this same thing after a month and redeploys on the border again.
No.506232
>>506229true lol. they may be yeltsinite dogs but this was a pretty jokerpilled moment
No.506233
>>506231Go away Bernd Jürgen Armando Brandes.
No.506234
>>506233sprëkken zë ënlißch?
sorry I don't speak nazi
No.506241
Gonna get so many Metaculus points for calling this right. Unf.
No.506242
>>506222Your mum sucked my flesh last night.
No.506244
>a nothingburger
would you look at that
No.506247
>>506246>Ukraine could still join NATO Not really, they have an ongoing conflict and Hungary will always fuck it up for them.
No.506248
>>506246Like they could have for the past 20 years but always gets rejected lmao
No.506249
>>506246Russia wants Ukraine to just not be a complete NATO vassal. But they don't care anymore about Ukraine reconciling with them, because Nord Stream 2 goes directly under the Baltic Sea circumventing the entire butthurt belt and what does Russia get out of Ukraine economically otherwise? Ukraine is literally worse than Russia economically. Russia wants cooperation with the EU, to break the EU out of the transatlantic camp, and if that doesn't work they just have to turn around to China that is another economic giant.
No.506250
>>506247Why doesn't Hungary like Ukraine?
No.506251
>>506226FUCK
I just want a god damn happening already
I'm blackpilled to the max, I need to see some kind of real crisis to be hopeful about change
No.506252
>>506198>>506216>buying and selling goods on a market isn't capitalismdengoids get the wall
No.506253
>>506246Ukraine wouldn't be accepted for decades at this rate. Russia still wants a security treaty and have shown they are willing to scare the West for it. Not sure it will work but it was epic banter which forced diplomatic conversations that were being ignored before.
No.506255
Chill the fuck out folks, it's not Wednesday yet for most of us. In 24 hours you're free to make fun of the sizzlers
No.506257
>>506256No no you see, when Africa has to keep buying locomotives from china because they have no access to factories, it's not capitalism because uh….the ancient egyptians existed! Yeah!
No.506258
>>506256private firms employing wage labour is capitalist
No.506259
>>506258There were wage relations in fucking feudalism you dolt. What makes capitalism different is that it generalizes these relations, e.g. they become dominant and begin to dominate all of economic life. If I were to apply this logic in reverse, being a housewife is primitive communism because it's production and allocation according to need for free without money.
>>506257The original point wasn't even about capitalism but about
imperialism, which is a specific stage of capitalism. Also, I responded to a post where it was denied that buying and selling things is "capitalism" ipso facto and threatened to shot people who think otherwise.
Also, those are Sumerians.
No.506260
>>506259Okay private firms employing wage labour to produce capital is capitalist. Point is China is not socialist otherwise socialism can mean pretty much anything
No.506261
>>506260>Okay private firms employing wage labour to produce capital is capitalist.That's an incredibly oversimplified axiomatic definition that almost makes the word meaningless. Again, there were private endeavours in medieval Italian cities, employing people and pay them in wages. Was it capital-ISM? Well, for that you would need those tendencies to become dominant and have a bourgeois class to actually take power.
>Point is China is not socialist otherwise socialism can mean pretty much anythingIf it was Chinese state firms doing business in Africa you would bitch about it just the same.
No.506262
>>506261>Again, there were private endeavours in medieval Italian cities, employing people and pay them in wages. Was it capital-ISM?It was mercantalism so kind of like proto-capitalism
>If it was Chinese state firms doing business in Africa you would bitch about it just the same.Yes aaaaaaand?
No.506265
>>506263I can't believe GER - Money cucked out, we were this close to greatness
No.506266
Hey sizzlefags:
L + ratio + sneed
No.506267
>Senile shell of a man makes strongman cuck out
Wtf based Biden!?
No.506270
>>506268Wooooow, $100 million, that might be enough to buy one sidewinder missile!
No.506271
Why the fuck is everyone saying it fizzled? Where do I find the posts? I gotta go to work I don't have time to scroll.
No.506272
>>506270Better then Canada's 7.18$
No.506273
>>506271It's been declared that Russia will invade (ie America will do their false flag) tomorrow, I think we should wait until then to declare a fizzle.
No.506274
Critical support for Russian empire building and russification of minorities.
No.506276
The German chancellor just told Putin that NATO attacked Yugoslavia and should have been sanctioned for it.
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1493622141161558019This is the global realignment in real time. I wonder how hard burgers will be coping about this, this really feels like the last years of the American empire
No.506277
>>506276based but your analysis reads like a lethal dose of hopium, i wouldn't expect any of that to be true (even though i wish it were)
No.506278
>>506221>>506226This. It’s time for all of those who disagreed with me to admit that I was right that this phony “crisis” was a giant Nothingburger and that World War 3 will never happen. Finally, to all the Dengist/Duginist Happooners, how does it feel that your favorite Capitalist, Imperialist, and Fascist Dictators (Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin), don’t have the balls to fire one shot at the U$ or even it’s puppet states, and thus will never invade Ukraine or Taiwan (let alone sink U$ Aircraft Carriers or launch Cruise and/or Ballistic Missile strikes on U$ Airbases), due to their mutual integration into the Global Imperialist-Capitalist System, meaning they care more about shitting in Gold toilets while their Proles are exploited by Multinational Corporations then fulfilling the dreams of their /pol/tard fanboys in the West?
No.506279
So what the fuck is going on? Russia is withdrawing troops but it will also attack tomorrow?
This is like that fable of the boy who cried wolf, but in this version, the moral of the story is that they will always believe you, even if you keep saying it for 5 years straight.
No.506280
>>506276SOMETHINGBURGERThe American empire will last a lot longer than a few years but it is losing influence
>>506279Not sure what burger media is saying but no invasion
No.506283
>>506278Ukraine is a neutral buffer state and not an ally of USA. It has no NATO security guarantees so there is very little risk of WW3. This habbening is strictly about Russian invasion of Ukraine and America is merely supplying weapons for Ukrainians.
No.506286
>>506284They support Russia and its puppets like Serbia because of self hate.
No.506287
>>506284bacause communism bad, does not matter who is in charge, infact they are bad too because communism bad, unless said commie aids the US in destroying communism like gorby, then they good.
No.506288
>>506283>This habbening is strictly about Russian invasion of UkraineWhy would you think that could happen? Russia doesn't want to invade Ukraine, they've said it a billion times. They have been very specific in what situation they would feel obligated to invade.
>>506276This is pretty massive. It seems the German ruling elite is split on the nordstream 2 issue. Cancelling Nordstream2 is a self inflicted injury, it would be very costly.
No.506289
>>506284Because Milosevic was a genocidal ethnonationalist while Tito a true comrade
No.506290
>>506283You don’t have to tell me that World War 3 will never happen (I devote many of my posts to explaining that Dengist China and Putinist Russia are too integrated into the Global Imperialist-Capitalist System to ever fight the U$). But I know many in this thread thought that this would spark it, and you don’t need to cope and pretend only “Western” media hyped this up, as all the Pro-Chinese/Russian “Alternative” media were hyping up the idea of a CIA “False flag” to blame Russia, that would “force” them to invade Ukraine, LOL.
No.506291
>>506276You:
>The German chancellor just told Putin that NATO attacked Yugoslavia and should have been sanctioned for it. The tweet:
>SCHOLZ REACTION TO PUTIN: >“Scholz has just said that the people of his & my generation, can’t imagine war in Europe. But you and I witnessed the war in Europe unleashed by the NATO bloc against Yugoslavia. Bombing of Beograd, without sanctions…,”Scholz is only quoted as saying "the people of his & my generation, can’t imagine war in Europe", Putin is the one that says they should be sanctioned. This is what I'm seeing, did you not read it correctly or is there something else?
No.506292
>>506290There are talks that Putin cucking down is a trick by Kreml to get Ukraine and the West to let their guard down. Has there been any significant diplomatic breakthroughs? If not this is not over because Putins position as dictator of Russia is in danger.
No.506293
>>506292Democrats really so desperate for a polling bounce they shit and fart about the Russian's yearly buildup of military in the area and act like they won WW3 when they leave (as they do every year)
No.506294
>>506291I think Putin meant the other kind of sanction, that NATO attacked Yugoslavia without UN security council approval.
No.506295
>>506294Okay but my point is that is Putin's opinion, not something Scholz said.
No.506297
>>506246> Ukraine could still join NATO as long they have not sorted out the independent republics, no it cannot.
No.506298
>>506194Called it. Russia didn't invade ukraine. USA intelligence ghouls wrong again. LOL
No.506300
>>506226A lot of shit is happening. Have you heard about 3th gen war? 4th gen war? the war started, even years ago, is just not hot war, yet.
No.506301
>>506260>Point is China is not socialist depends on your definition. If its about abolishing the present state of things and go toward communism, there is definitely some possibility it still is and is moving towards it.
No.506302
>>506284Milosevic was as much of a communist as Tito was.
No.506303
I can't wait to see y'all in next year's Ukraine happening general.
No.506304
>>506289>was a genocidal ethnonationalist you're not aware this is proven lies retard ?
No.506305
>>506194NOOOOO, JUST TWO MORE WEEKS!! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN FOR REAL!!!
No.506306
>>506278Not invading sovereign nations means you're not imperialist. It's not the other way around.
No.506307
>>506278It's a cold war, you dumbass. Different ruling classes can be odds at each other for perfectly reasonable geopolitical reasons.
No.506308
I mean, there is a big likelihood all of this was orchestrated by US to make it seem like nato is useful, and to be able to claim "we totally forced them back!!" while russia was just conducting its yearly exercise, adding a bit of troops due to the US pressure and the risk of ukraine taking back the independant republics
No.506309
>>506284Fun fact: Yugoslavia and USA knew of the XX Party Congress Khruschev's speech earlier than people of USSR itself. And Khruschev immediately started making peace with Tito.
So yes, Tito is a revisionist - basically Khruschev.
No.506310
>>506308This has been a huge propaganda victory for America while Russians have gained nothing.
No.506311
>>506278namefag AND flagfag?? doesn't get more irrelevant than that
No.506312
>>748422
>exchanging manufactured goods for fiat money is barter
kill yourself
No.506313
>>506306If you believe “Imperialism” is merely when a country gets invaded, then you obviously don’t know the Leninist definition of Imperialism articulated in “Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism”. Instead, Imperialism is when the corporations of Core (and Semi-Periphery) countries export Finance Capital to Periphery countries in order to extract their Natural Resources and exploit their cheap labor so they can generate massive Super profits in order to enrich themselves and bribe the Labor Aristocracy from ever launching a Revolution.
No.506314
>>506279russia conducted routine military exercises, just like every military in history has done. US gets a LOT of free influence and propaganda without spending a penny, by claiming the exercises as 'a buildup of forces', then as they conclude and forces are removed from areas, that their 'diplomacy was effective in making Putin back down'. all for FREE
No.506315
I honestly thought the meme of anarchists essentially cheering on NATO was just that - a meme. How utterly wrong I was, sorry bros.
No.506316
>>506309noooooo not muh heckin' censorinos nooo
No.506317
>>506315Anarchism as a whole is an ideology propped up by decadent liberalism and American intelligence agencies, created primarily for the purpose of destroying communist movements, why are you surprised?
No.506318
>>506315which anarchists?
No.506319
>>506318All the ones screeching about "RUSSIA BAD"
No.506321
>>506289t. haven't read to kill a nation from Parenti
No.506322
>>506278KING LEAR WW3 IS HAPPENING THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA TOLD ME WE'RE FINALLY HAPPENING I CANT WAIT
No.506323
>>506319where? on this website?
No.506324
>>506323Yes on this website, now quit concern trolling
No.506325
>>506324I have seen absolutely zero people going RUSSIA BAD here while claiming to be anarchist
>quit concern trollinggo back to twitter faggot
No.506326
https://twitter.com/alp1111112/status/1492869548596506626Just a little piece of information for those who have any doubts that anarchists are tools of the CIA
No.506328
>>506316Not "censorinos", a lot of anti-Stalinist speeches in 1950s were top secret Party-only documents which were no meant to be shown to the general population - because, like khruschevites were admitting themselves, population would have backed up stalinists like Voroshilov and Molotov. So, all the revisionist shit was TOP SECRET until they were firmly in control of the country in 1960s. Like, most of those documents even had a "send this document back after reading" marking.
Now then, imagine documents with THIS level of secrecy getting leaked to the West and Yugoslavia, and shit like Khruschev declaring various people rehabilitatied BEFORE the talks about rehabilitations actually happening. Khruschev was straight up saying to the West that USSR is antistalinist now, "we can be friends now!"
No.506329
>>506325If you're not supporting anti-imperialism while at the same time claiming to be a leftist then you're functionally indistinguishable from an anarchist, I dont care if you label yourself a "Titoist" or "Trotskyite" or whatever, you're all the same state department shills and you'll all meet the same bullet
No.506330
>>506048Bud, China doesn't have the monopolies on those railroads. That's the real difference between imperialist infraestructure and cooperation infraestructure.
"proper infrastructure" it is more like your opinion. What is proper when there is none?
No.506331
>>506329Oh, so you're just an imbecile and don't know what you're talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0 No.506332
>>506328Also, a randomest bit: first "against the cult of personality" speeches came from stalinists themselves, and they were talking about upholding marxist-leninist-STALINIST thought, i.e. it was a talk of cult of personality NOT OF STALIN. They were trying to fight Khruschev by declaring him a dictator, lol
No.506333
>>506048Bud, China doesn't have the monopolies on those railroads. That's the real difference between imperialist infraestructure and cooperation infraestructure.
"proper infrastructure" it is more like your opinion. What is proper when there is none?
No.506334
>>506331Neat, so I'm wasting my time arguing with a pedophile, that's good to know
No.506336
>>506334??? Where the fuck did that come from? Are you a bot?
No.506337
>>506328>Not "censorinos", a lot of anti-Stalinist speeches in 1950s were top secret Party-only documents which were no meant to be shown to the general populationThey distributed the secret speech to so many people it is laughable to suggest they believed it would remain secret
No.506338
>>506295Yeah you're right. I don't know where the "Scholz said" came from, I think anon misunderstood.
No.506340
>>506336>anarchist sympathizer>uses childrens shows as le funny reaction imagesAm I supposed to assume you're not attracted to little kids? Stop watching entertainment meant for them and then we'll talk
No.506342
>>506339>haven't been in the last 8 threads.>mfw we have to deal with these people changing what imperialism is.Dengists aren't anarchists, silly.
>>506340Ok you're just coping now, cool.
No.506343
>>506278Why would someone take you seriously if I gave you an extended critique in your article from LOLNOONE like
http://www.massline.info/mlms/mlms.htm who was expelled from the communist party:
http://www.massline.info/rcp/expel/His retarded takes comes in many flavors:
http://www.massline.org/Dictionary/DE.htm#DPRK>The highly deficient sort of top-down socialism which was originally established in the DPRK was—if anything—a more extreme form of the bureaucratic type of socialism which existed in the Soviet Union in the Stalin era. Since—as in the USSR—the DPRK regime did not know or use the mass line in politics, industry or agriculture, this type of society tended to soon become more and more undemocratic and authoritarian. Over the years it has degenerated totally away from anything which can be remotely considered as genuine “socialism” (which, after all, must most essentially be based on the rule of the people themselves). The DPRK is now best characterized as an ultra-nationalistic form of state capitalism, directed by a tiny militarily-obsessed elite social class, and for the primary benefit of that very privileged governing class. Even more absurdly, this DPRK ruling class has turned its regime into one which is very close to a hereditary absolute monarchy, which was ruled first by Kim Il Sung, then by his son Kim Jong Il, and now by his son, Kim Jong Un.<PURE CRAPPISTAN FROM THIS MORON.And the silly idea that Maoists like you and him, decide to rebrand what fascism is taking in count revisionism, starting from the "social imperialism" theory that Mao brought, tells me that you suffer a severe cognitive dissonance.
In that exact theory Mao in which he says "social imperialism" also said that the USS "will end the world with nukes", 20 years later, the USSR dissolved, and the nukes never arrived. And if a huge chunk of that speech in which it is the "social imperialism" theory is utter nonsense (there were three theories together: third world theory, social imperialism theory, and the USSR nuking the world theory) what makes you believe the rest of his speech isn't also utter nonsense. And that "social imperialism" is the starting point of "Scott H." who can easily be CIA H.
As I said, and you didn't reply instead of taking the years where Mao was based as an example like going and forming a guerrilla with popular support, Maoists like you prefer to take the weirdest time of Mao.
Krushit was a moron stopping the projects with China, and that caused Mao to be like this? 100% correct. Is it correct for Mao to be this way? lol no. His main defect is that he never could understand other's material conditions after WWII.
So, no. Russia is not a "fascist" state, China is not a "fascists" state, Nicaragua is not a "fascist" state, Bolivia is not a "fascist" state, Cuba is not a "fascists" state, and that "anti-revisionist" shit has become more like pure virtue signaling among pseudo-communists that are armchairing their revolutions, like you, king schizo.
As I said in the thread 6.0Keep coping what fasicism is.
No.506344
No more threads now kids, the Vlasovites and NATO nazis have done exactly nothing as predicted.
No.506345
>>506341
What do you mean them? You mean rich people?
No.506346
>>506342>Dengists aren't anarchists, silly.More like the maoists, the sabotard, some random anglos, etc.
No.506347
>>506320https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2019/04/HALIMI/59723yes, nato destroyed a country on account of a fake genocidal plan they devised themselves
No.506348
>>506345Careful, if you point out too many coincidences, you'll be censored for "muh antisemitism". You wouldn't want to make Trotsky cry would you?
>>506344Quit slandering the Russian people any time
No.506349
Russians have started a pullback of troops, Biden set to make a speech at 3:30. Probably going to be a big announcement that "war was averted", in the same veins the Ukrainians just said. Seems only the bongs are still going with the "Russian invasion now" line
Likely the US and Russia agreed to a set of soft promises that the US isn't going to honor
No.506351
>>506343To be fair he was expelled from the RCP, which is less of a communist party and more of a cult that speaks in faux-ebonics
No.506352
>>506349russians said they started pullback, US said "we havent seen anyone move", and apparently all the major banks website in ukraine just went down
also heard the duma had voted recognition of the republics, and putin talked about "genocidal actions" against the russian speaking population there
No.506353
>>506349Anon, Russia said from day 0 they don't want to invade. The only ones outcrying this are the western oligarchs to sabotage the Russian/Ukrainian economies and stop the NS-II.
No.506354
>>506351If being expelled out of a cult, to just form another cult is some sort of defense, lmao don't
throw him under the bus defend him too much.
No.506355
>>506327
>every single one of them have fingers on the trigger
>two out of three have muzzles pointed upwards
i think the taliban may be right about women bros
No.506356
>>506350
>schwarz
every fucking time
No.506359
>>506352> putin talked about "genocidal actions" against the russian speaking population thereit was in the context of "well, nato intervened in yougoslavia, explicitely to stop a genocide".
big "we might just do the same" vibes
No.506360
>>506356Schwarz Dont Crack
No.506362
>>506348Go away black hundred scum.
No.506363
>>506348What do you mean coincidences? That there are rich Jewish people? Sure there are alot of rich white people too. There's more rich white Anglo-Saxons in the world than any other people's.
No.506364
>>506362Uhhhh, so Leninhat is a chauvinistic person, who would image this. lol
everyone paying attention in the last 8 threads, Lenin was Russian. How do you cope with that? Well, Engels said everything is contradictory, but I can't imagine you being this chauvinistic against Russia and at the same time trying to sell Lenin ideals.
No.506365
>>506335First, Chinese-Albanian understanding of the situation:
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/117679.pdf?v=3d0f269842182ecf6233f37aad8231c1There's also a joint declaration, although I don't know the keywords for English translation of that
http://maoism.ru/4978Albanian Worker's Party said that Khruschev sneaked the antistalinist speech to the West.
Next, regarding the cult of personality.
https://www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_ru&dokument=0012_ber&object=translation&l=ruThat's a speech regarding Beria's treachery. Check this:
>Seventh. The vital interests of the Party require a significant improvement in the entire work of Party propaganda and political education among the masses. It is essential that communists study Marxist-Leninist theory not dogmatically and dogmatically, that they understand the creative character of Marxism-Leninism and assimilate not individual formulations and quotations, but the essence of the all-conquering, world-changing revolutionary teaching of Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin. Our propaganda must educate the Communists and the entire people in the spirit of confidence in the invincibility of the great cause of communism, in the spirit of selfless devotion to our Party and the socialist motherland. Stalinism - against cult of personality (of Beria and others).
Next. Find speeches of stalinists - Molotov, Kaganovich, Voroshilov - and look at their cult of personality-bashing. You'll immediately notice that they don't mention STALIN'S cult of personality, lol.
The whole antistalinist coup went like this: to prevent revisionists from seizing power, General Secretary-like positions were abolished, Stalin downgraded himself to a mere secretary, and instead of a strongman position there was an uneven number of secretaries with stalinists holding the majority. Thus, revisionists had to kill all of them to replace the leadership in the country. To have this situation stick, Stalin stopped recruiting into the Party, BUT REGIONAL LEADERS IGNORED IT AND KEPT ON ADMITTING NEW MEMBERS, swelling Party's ranks twofold IN SPITE OF Central Committee's direct orders. In other words, revisionists swarmed the ranks of the Party with their allies.
Mao, looking at this shit, correctly did the public shaming of regional leaders. Murdering their reputation this way, as well as paramount leader position, ensured that revisionists were kept away from the power, and even then there were multiple attempts at a coup.
>>506337They distributed those to the regional party leaders, and even then there was a lot of unrest generated by that, say, in the Far East workers, who listened to this shit, spontaneously called for a strike and did that. Trust in the communist party, however, played a dirty trick with them, so they called off the strike.
No.506366
>>506348Imagine being an antisemite and unironically being offended when someone insults your ethnicity.
No.506367
Any one else think there is no attack because fsb/gru are cleaning up nazi death squads ?
No.506368
>>506364Lenin was entirely against Russian nationalism and chauvinism and antisemitism and they howl about him to this day. He's a model for putting bourgeois nationalists to the sword en masse, for a communist of any nationality.
Antisemites are class enemies of the working people. It's a product of rich manipulative minds. I don't work for Jewish capitalists, I work for "gentile" ones like me, it means nothing and I support Leninist terror against the bourgeoisie of "my" country as Lenin supported in Russia.
No.506369
>>506368What do you think about Lenin outlawing capital punishment the moment he came to power, Leninhat?
No.506370
>>506352>>506359UKR army has been sniping and shelling russian speaking civilians in their homes and air-striking businesses
14,000 dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War No.506371
>>506370>Russo-Ukrainian warWait, if there's a war already, why are they afraid of Russia attacking?
No.506372
>>506369I think he changed his mind when faced with the massing white guardists and that he didn't flinch at using it.
No.506373
>>506368Lenin was entirely against Russian nationalism and chauvinism
lol, there is a post in the QTDDTOT that contradicts your statement.
>>744194>Have there ever been Marxist thinkers who analyzed nationalism from the material perspective?Stalin, Lenin, Marx, etc. nearly every prominent Marxist has some writings on the national question.
Marx & Engels
<On Polandhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1847/12/09.htm
<The Magyar Strugglehttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/01/13.htm
<Democratic Pan-Slavismhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/02/15.htmAugust Bebel
<Socialism and Internationalismhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/bebel/1905/08/internationalism.htmRosa Luxemburg
<In Defense of Nationalityhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/luxemburg/1900/nationality/index.html
<The National Questionhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/luxemburg/1909/national-question/index.htm
<The Nationalities Questionhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/luxemburg/1918/russian-revolution/ch03.htmLenin
<Critical Remarks on the National Questionhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1913/crnq/index.htm
<The Right of Nations to Self-Determinationhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/index.htm
<The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determinationhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm
<Draft Theses on National and Colonial Questions For The Second Congress Of The Communist Internationalhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1920/jun/05.htm
<The Question of Nationalities or "Autonomisation"https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htmStalin
<Marxism and the National Questionhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htmTrotsky
<The Slogan of the Soviet United States of Europehttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti01.htm#p1-03Otto Bauer
<The question of nationalities and social democracyhttps://libcom.org/library/question-nationalities-social-democracy-otto-bauerAnton Pannekoek
<Class Struggle and Nationhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/pannekoe/1912/nation.htmJames Connolly
<Socialism and Nationalismhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/connolly/1897/01/socnat.htm
<Patriotism and Labourhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/connolly/1897/08/patlabr.htmHo Chi Minh
<Report On The National And Colonial Questions At The Fifth Congress Of The Communist Internationalhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/reference/archive/ho-chi-minh/works/1924/07/08.htmMao
<The Role of the Chinese Communist Party in the National Warhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_10.htmHarry Haywood
<The Negro Nationhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/haywood/negro-liberation/ch07.htmIn the question on self-determination, he is in favor of it, and you can't take out nationalism out of the discussion if you are in favor of self-determination.
>The conditions under which the bourgeois-democratic demand for a “national state” should be supported from a Marxist, i. e., class proletarian, point of view will be dealt with in detail below. For the present, we shall confine ourselves to the definition of the concept of “self-determination”You can't have self-determination if you don't have a national identity, to begin with.
Ah, that you have bourgeoisie opprutinists? that's another talking point, like rethugs, but that's when you have to be clear and draw the lines between opportunists and real struggles.
See how you uncover yourself as a pseud?
No.506374
>>506372Or maybe that anticommunists did a blatant history revisionism and invented people shot by communists, eh? Have you found any corpses attributable to Lenin's government yet? Funniest shit, really - Lenin outlaws capital punishment, it's official history proven by paper and action, like Soviets taking hostages instead of shooting people, but even leftists today believe anticommunist propaganda.
No.506375
>>506374Source: A revelation that came to me while thinking
No.506377
>>506375What, you need an entire book on famous fakes created to discredit communism? You know that there's a multitude of such books printed, with famous fakes explored, right? You just have to google them. All I do is merely pointing out that Lenin did, in fact, outlaw capital punishment. How the fuck and by what law would he shoot people, then? Did capital punishment law got abolished? When, by what decree?
No.506378
>>506373Dumb post, Lenin recognised nationalism as a force but never gave into it. A communist should always oppose nationalism in "his" country, cos they're not our countries.
No.506380
>>506378>dumb post>given by a literal quote>deflects without quotes>still shows he is chauvinistic against Russians, despite he professes Leninism, who is coincidentally a Russian.Yeah, bud. Like king schizo, you seem to be another schizo of your own.
schizohat, or as I said, class-traitor.
No.506381
>>506374No idea what you're talking about, the Red Terror happened and it was necessary. It's overblown of course but the Bolsheviks rightly put their class enemies to death, from Kolchak to the Romanovs to SRs.
No.506382
>>506380Cos you're trying to paint Lenin as a nationalist, which is bullshit. He was an internationalist and communist, the antithesis of bourgeois nationalism. Go ask your man Putin what he thinks of Lenin. His screeds about the Bolsheviks "using Russians for revolution" are basically word for word copies of Denikin, Solzhenitsyn, Vlasov etc except without the overt antisemitism.
No.506383
>>506382>trying to paint Lenin as a nationalist<reeee nationalism is bad, but if Lenin explicitly says t is important for the basis of self-determination, then is a bad interpretation of his national sentiment reeeeOne thing is being dumb as he said about nationalism, another is pretending he didn't set the basis in which national identity has to be reinforced to defend self-determination.
And justify your chauvinism seems more bullshistic from your side, class-traitor.
No.506385
>>506383He's right and you're being retarded and tarding up the thread
No.506386
>>506385Except Lenin wrote a fucking defending self-determination, and the only ones hating Russia are these pseuds.
No.506387
Did Solzhenitsyn write 100% lies or more like 50% lies?
No.506388
>>506373>>506372>>506369>>506374>>506375can you fags go to another thread to discuss this shit
even better, can a mod move all this shit elsewhere
No.506390
>>506388My apologies. I try not to divert the focus on the thread, but whenever those tards try to define things as they are not, like imperialism, fascism, and put Russia in the same category, despite the mounting of evidence that they are not, and they are important in the geopolitical plane, it gets my jimmies rustled, and we need to address them or else it will create the sense they are right.
No.506391
>>506265>>506263Russia was never going to strike first. What's US' plan to kill Nordstream 2 now?
No.506393
>>506391the same (false) false flag they've been keeping in their back pocket for the last few weeks? russia doesn't need to invade if USA just tells the world they invaded. the entire western press is too cucked not to take the line presented by the state department, so the USA effectively gets to dictate facts
No.506394
>>506387100%. His whole idea was that USSR existed off prison labor, and that half the country was guarding the other half contained in work camps. Also, he tried to attribute even WW2 victories to gulag prisoners. Solzhenitzyn is pure bullshit
No.506396
>>506376
The “China wants Taiwan for chips” idea is the most brazen psyop I’ve seen in years. That is not why China wants unification. At all. I’m fact, it used to be offered as a incentive to *not use the military* because it would curb stomp TSMC.
No.506397
>>506373Lenins principle of Self-Determination of Oppressed Nations is completely opposed to Chauvinistic Bourgeois Nationalism, as proven by the fact that Russian Nationalists such as Putin and Dugin are still bitching about the fact that Lenin gave Self-Determination to Ukranians in their own SSR.
No.506400
>>506398don't care, didn't ask plus you're a flagfag
No.506403
>>506398care, asked. Also you're based as hell
No.506404
>>506397Ukrainian isn't a nation.
No.506406
>>506404Exactly what a Great Russian Chauvinist would say, LOL. How do you cope with the fact that Lenin and Stalin supported Ukrainian Self-Determination in their own SSR, while those opposing Ukrainian Self-Determination include Czar Nicholas II (who the Bolsheviks executed), the deranged Fascist Dugin and his Schizo "Eurasia" movement, and corrupt Capitalist Oligarchs like Putin and his cronies who helped betray and overthrow the USSR?
No.506407
>>506406Are you going to explain how Ukraine is a nation or just screech and call people names?
No.506408
>>506407According to Stalin "A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture." Ukrainians clearly meet all of these requirements and thus were granted Self-Determination in their own SSR by Lenin himself. If Lenin and Stalin consider Ukrainians a Nation why can't you?
No.506409
Yeah I’m thinking an invasion is not happening. Either Putin was bluffing the whole time or he chickened out at the last second.
No.506410
>>506397>Dugin>Putin>still till this day hasn't brought one single time where Putin has said Dugin's name.Putin can't be a eurasianist when he had to fight the al-qaeda in kosovo. This shows you don't understand Russia's ideology one little bit.
And I see you like the idea that Ukraine decided to declare independence out of the USSR, which was the rolling snowball down the hill that caused the USSR's dissolution.
Ukraine was precisely the state that didn't want communism and forced the USSR to dissolution by declaring independence
>An attempted coup against Gorbachev fails on the 21st. On the 24th, the Ukrainian Supreme Soviet declares the Ukraine's independence and on the same day, the Republican Movement of Crimea (which later becomes the Republican Party of Crimea) is established by Yurii Meshkov. The movement is officially registered as a movement in November..
https://www.refworld.org/docid/469f38ec2.htmlAnd the delusional thinking that Putin wants Ukraine when the CPSU could crush the independence, and the subsequent leaders of Russia could do it, seems more like you project ideals of imperialism in whatever person exists in your imagination.
No.506412
>>506395
Damn. How does fucking around in Syria kills a gas pipeline going from Vyborg, Russia to Lubmin, Germany through the Baltic Sea?
No.506413
>>506412Didn't you know? 'merricans have invented teleportation
in half-life 2.
No.506415
>>506414It did. The real split point started when the coup failed because the Soviets tried to take back the self-declared territories before the coup and gorbashit/yeltsin did the possible to not do it. Ukraine decided "coincidentally" to leave after the coup.
Instead of supporting the coup that was justified, the cpu gave the largest territory a symbolic back to the other smaller territories that started before.
It is simple. All the processes to undo the coups, the subversion, and "independence" ended with the self-"independent" proclamation of Ukraine.
No.506417
>>506408but communism is nationless so i dont care
No.506419
>>506418>I am the neighbor that bangs on the radiatorJust slav things
No.506420
>>506416Except Russia declared independence on the Dec 25th of 1991, what are you talking about?
Also, is this somehow a justification of schizo retardation about the independence of Ukraine something to be praised while it was clear these weren't communists who declared the independence and did it in response to silence the coup attempt done by the only real communists by the time?
No.506421
>>506418This needs an edit with someone screaming
I AM A FUCKING NAZI or something similar, kek.
No.506422
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-moves-troops-away-ukraine-154053881.html>Russia moves troops away from Ukraine border but U.S. officials say some are in attack positionswhat kind of attack position involves moving your troops away from the country you're invading? Are they going to go all the way around the world and sneak attack Ukraine from the west?
No.506424
<Dmitri Peskov
>In ironic response to Ukrainians, said they have to set their alarm clocks to 3:00 AM, after The Mirror accusation that the Russians will invade this Feb 16th in that hour.
We live in clown society, we live in clown world.
No.506425
How do I convince my liberal friends that Russia won't invade Ukraine? Do I just wait until the US stops claiming they will?
No.506426
>>506423
Over 300 confirmed kills and highly trained in gorilla warfare
No.506427
>>506425Make them put their money where their mouth is and put $20, $50, $100 on the table. Guarantee they won't want to gamble at all because they don't actually believe in anything. They're only in it for the aesthetics of concern (as commanded of them by state media), despite not investing an ounce of energy into being politically literate
idk shouldn't be that hard to tell someone who has no idea what they're talking about that they have no idea what they're talking about. Nordstream 2 alone should be enough to shut the up, Putin might not be a 'nice guy' but he's not an idiot (let alone starting a very unpopular war, justifying internal/external response that will hurt his gov, etc)
No.506429
>>505800Then the honeytrap will be sprung and all the Russian sympathizers and agents living in western countries will be inturned , it is too late to do anything to protect yourself now, they already have your IP addresses and real world location and the odds are pretty good that you are being watched right now to see if you will run.
And all for protecting the crony capitalists who betrayed communism. Class traitors will get no sympathy.
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