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 No.531051

Okay so i read basically all of plato and aristotle, and i learned some stuff, but it ultimately felt like a chore and i just did it for pseudointellectual and quasi-academic credit.
But when i listen to music and all of the sublime images enter my head and im filled with song and dance, i feel like i am being inspired by the truth; some poetic truth of my being. Like love. It feels worthy and transcendent, where dialog and argumentation feels draining and trite.
For example, i even read decartes' "principles of philosophy" today and he admits that all he is doing is re-stating a "most ancient and common" perspective immanent to philosophy.
So here i do not see an "intellectual" revolution in modernity, but modernity is clearly the site of History as such; of "progress" (by whichever measure) and the self-movement of a self-referential subjectivity, which i would argue is not from a new metaphysical grounding (as vulgar historians would have it), but of a *cultural* or *artistic* development instead.
Marxists would argue that it is technology, but my feeling is that the superstructure has primacy in such things.
even hephaestus had his "mechanical women" in his dwelling. I would argue instead that mechanics takes its leading role from class interests of producers rather than some historical determinacy
So basically what im saying is that philosophy is totally circular and even by fichte's conception (which is later adapted by lenin and althusser), the real battle is between materialism and idealism (which is also what aristotle's "de anima" and "metaphysics" is implicitly about - how all of the presocratics where materialists, and how only socrates, the pythagorians and plato are idealists in different proportions).
So philosophy is ultimately dichotomous. You either believe in God or you dont basically (or you believe in the *anti-god* of atheism). Its sophistry properly boils down to a normative theology. This to me is good though since it grounds thought in the social, and thus gives self-reference to lofty contemplation.
So here i return to the fundamental contradiction of philosophy; namely, socrates' daemon/muse, which in his imprisonment, beckoned him to put aesop's fables into prose (against the supposed "higher" 'music' of philosophy), and this to me (in "phaedo", the final socratic dialog), is the most beautiful image since it harkens back to Plato's own life.
Plato originally was a playwright who abandoned this once he met socrates and decided to become a philosopher. But even in his discourse, he still narrativises his arguments, and in socrates' image, he expresses his own inner voice of inspiration (which in an earlier dialog, he refers to as the divine "inspiration" of the poet, of the spirit of God which flows through the true artist). Plato submits to this heavenly music in a final act of speculative authenticity by analogy of socrates, of putting aesop into prose. Plato thus returns to his own innocence against the impersonal.
So here, the fundamental conflict is in the cause of Wisdom against our own personal "calling", or Truth, and to one we must offer our purpose to it.
Like i say, dry conversations about axioms and jargon may be wise, but it is a wisdom i cannot understand. Perhaps i am shut out of the universal. But still, i have the knowledge of my soul and my duty to its passions. To me, there is only Truth in my most spectacular dances, like a Holy ritual serving the highest God.
So i think we are theological creatures, and we must choose our object of worship, and this is the means and ends of our lives. I am an artist, not an intellectual. I only serve a God who could have been MY creator, not the creator of "All".

 No.531056

You are getting lost in abstractions, random mixtures of biochemicals and neuron firings do not constitute some profound "truth".

 No.531057

>>531051
Study math, then you will understand

 No.531059

>>531056
You know its interesting, since your "random mixtures of biochemicals and neuron firings" causes you to posit a supposedly greater truth against my own. Between us, there is clearly a greater object being sought.
But my meaning is to draw away from abstraction and to practice the life that is sparking within me. My OP is about critiquing the barren "intellect" in general since it only treads its own ground.
But every man has his love and his purpose in any case, just like you do. Why does a hairless ape want to draw? Yet we have cave paintings from long before civilisation. Did you know that some animals also practice religious rituals?
>>531057
1+1 = everything? Seems too autistic for me.

 No.531064

>>531059
You don't know what those birds are doing.

 No.531066

>>531064
They're holding a funeral for their dead friend. A lot of animals grieve like this in different ways. I used to think it was just a mammalian thing (since empathy would naturally occur by this organic relation), but empathy has been shown to extend to many sorts of creatures. Humans arent so different.

 No.531068

>>531059
> Did you know that some animals also practice religious rituals?
No, because they dont.
And even if they did, what difference does that make?

 No.531070

>>531066
That's not a ritual you dumb fuck birds calls have a purpose like intimidation or warning about predators

 No.531071

>>531070
likely purposes of this call
>FUCK! HE IS FUCKING DEAD! FUCK
>FUCKING KILLED MY WIFE FUCK!!!
>FUCK OFF KILLER BIRD WE WILL FUCK YOU UP IF YOU TRY US
>LOOK AT THIS SHIT THEY KILLED HIM AHHHH LOOK AT THIS AHHHHHHHH

 No.531074

>>531068
Well im just saying that life is self-referential to its extended character, not to its "function". Life as a "system" is actually very inefficient, since it involves so much leisure and flair and whatnot. Thats why capitalism is so oppressive, since it tries to turn man into a machine, and we are not machines.
I would otherwise say that there is an irreducible "subjectivity" to life which is developed for its own sake. People conjecture about "survival", but our subjectivity is about everything else except survival, in practical terms.

 No.531076

>>531070
Well, we can only agree to disagree ig

 No.531115

>>531076
That won't make you any less wrong.

 No.531458

>>531115
>>531071
So birds can feel a "strategic" despair but not an indulgent sorrow? Pets feel depressed all the time like humans. I think its weird when 'evolutionary' thinkers explain away animals' dignities as "instincts" but always forget that we are animals too.
I think in both cases it is very dangerous and morally wrong. The cow put in the slaughterhouse today is us tomorrow. Just look at how war turns men into meat. I see a broader equality in nature.

 No.531469

>>531115
shut up chvd. animals DO mourn

 No.531473

>>531051
How small is your God if His domain is found only in passion? If He is only present in the rare sublime? And to humble Him to the smallest of particles, a god only for you.

If God is real, then he must be, greater than what one can feel. Even in the lowly cell or the great expanse, God would be greater still. Then that would mean that there can be no piece of matter that is not Him.

But that's not all, or shall I say, that is all, but one last thing, if one can call it such a name, and that's nothing. For if he is all, then that means He is all that is and nothing. And so it seems that one must say that if God is then He is also nothing.

If God then is everything and nothing, then God can't be any particular thing. Which means that anything you try to reduce God to will necessarily be wrong. You can't even say He exists because then you deny his nonexistence. And neither can you say He doesn't exist because you deny his existence, hence reducing Him to a particularly.

Therefore, God can neither exist nor not exist.

 No.531475

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>>531473
If God cannot be felt then he is rescinded from his object of knowledge except in mere concept, which is what i rebel against; deism.
But like you say, is my "god" some mere phantom of my interest then? Am i an idolator?
Perhaps, but my worship is something "true" in the way of things. It is "objective" in its self-relation (the same way a gay guy is "objectively" gay; even if he is closeted, his "truth" speaks through his lie, the same way any lie is in itself self-deceptive, which inverts a lie into the truth).
So thats why i think the anthropormophised God of myth is perfectly fine, the same way Kant's "understanding" is equally human, where his "noumemon" is also irrelevant, and i think thats proper. Meaning, even in occult terms, that the "true god" is not the creator, but the lord of the age - this is the preconditioning of our subjectivity; like how in the west we are all christians, even if we dont believe (our unbelief is a constitutive aspect of christian faith, even like the prodigal son, and in the case of evil atheists, they choose the devil instead, so still need the christian myth to ground themselves).
Basically, as per german idealism, i support a subjectively-objective world (the world of history, providence and revelation), not the unrepresentable world of "matter" (the gnostic "barbalos"; pure ideology! so to say..)


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