/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1728883
he was a new age beatnik schizo who liked moroccan hookers and was obsessed with sufism which he mostly learned about from henry corbain. he was a nambla guy who liked to peg little boys too. ignore this guy he was worthless. actual anarchist occultik sufis should avoid him.

>>1728903
>actual anarchist occultik sufis
Not a thing. Islam is fundamentally based around the sacredness of stability through rule of law, completely incompatible with anarchism or any other mob rule format. It mandates a nomocracy, something anarchists despise. Also there’s the mildly inconvenient fact that anarchism is a purely western phenomenon

>>1728946
whenever will anarchists give up the larp and realize most of their actually attainable goals are not only not mutually exclusive to rule of law and authority, but more often than not complementary to them.

What exactly is dual power in the anarchist sense? For MLs it referred to the provisional government period in 1917 where the soviets actively contested functions of the state and could resist the encroachment of the state by force if needed. Does it make sense outside that specific sort of revolutionary situation? I've seen things like mutual aid referred to as dual power but that's not subverting the state's authority and can coexist peacefully with it.

>>1749831
It's creating an alternative to the state which would be necessary in any revolutionary situation.

>>1597193
Gee, how do these videos even make their way online? I imaged they would get tracked down within weeks and arrested? Do anarchists have like their own youtube for this shit?

>>1750041
They tend to be sent with communiques and get uploaded to contra-info/news websites and blogs.

>>1728946
>we need to spread the anarchism
<sorry u cannot be part of our supa elite club kindly fuck off
clearly u never read about the islamik thoughts.

>anarchism is a purely western phenomenon
western anarchism is teh suckage. bakunin? wannabe marx. hes like the goth chick in mean gurls. kropotkin? naisu santa klaus but not a great philosophes. kant take goldman or kropotkin seriously because of the ww1 support. catalonia? it was never good desu

we need to build a new anarchism on a new basis. new anarchism which is occultic and materialist. is anti-humanist nick landian instead of humanist. irrationalist instead of rationalist.

>>1750067
>we need to build a new anarchism on a new basis. new anarchism which is occultic and materialist. is anti-humanist nick landian instead of humanist. irrationalist instead of rationalist.

Holy based! I always wanted to be part of an esoteric leftist group. Might create one at some point.

>>1750067
This shit is so funny cause it makes so clear how so many anarchists end up becoming fascists. You guys have the same irrational idealist beliefs and come from the same strata of lumpen criminals and general refuse, deranged petty-bourgeois types, and your only solutions to everything is some weird moral regeneration combined with retvrning to primitive peasant life

Sewage system how?

>>1752314
Former congressmen will take care of that.

wtf is this thread

>>1762632
just from that paragraph i can already tell this article will be full retard

>>1763183
Its quite self explanatory. Can you not read?

>>1763184
>just from that paragraph i can already tell this article will be full retard
Literally what is false or glaringly off about that paragraph?

>>1763184
That's the whole article. It's the introduction to a video.

Hey fellow comrads my dad told me to do to bed but im secretly still awake im so cool o7

>>1763580
Defying your dad is the rite of passage but few can defy "their" gaberment.

>Los Justicieros, "The Avengers", was an anarchist paramilitary group created in 1920 in San Sebastián, Basque Region, during the years of pistolerismo.
this is just like my marvel movies

>>1763580
doing to bed?

We might disagree in many subjects, but we are all in this together, we all fight for the rights of the proletariat against the rich and powerful, against capitalists, fascists and imperialists. As an anarchist, if you fight against those, and you believe in a world of peace, equality, and fraternity for the world then you are a comrade of mine.
Long live the workers movement! Long live all the internacionales, the syndicates, the cooperatives and left movements that fight oppression and misery!

>>1541067
Can someone recommend me Anarchist books about Soviet class society or at least critique of the Soviet model?

>>1779601
No, the soviet union was perfect communism achieved because it makes liberals online mad when I say that therefore it is true.

Can’t stand tankies tbh

>marx was a racist thus his work is invalid
Man I bet there's probably a coal miner out there who doesn't really like gay people so I guess anarchism is invalid. This is dumb, dumb reasoning. It sounds like a republican grasping for straws to defame him since they can't really argue against the reality of economic inequality.

I don't hate anarchism and in fact I really want it to be correct, I just get exhausted seeing how anarchist arguments all drop to high school level the second you leave the realm of anarcho-syndicalism. One dumb one for example is them believing all crime will seize to exist once people have money, as if rich people don't rape.

>>1808334
>money
Resources* before someone starts nitpicking thinking that's a "gotcha." And don't tell me they don't argue that crime take, they definitely do.

The more I read early anarchist and communist writers the more and more disillusioned I become. Bakunin was a fucking retard. Marx said he was simply synthesizing French socialism and English political economy to create a scientific socialism. But the French socialists were moronic and the French revolution was a mistake. Everything we've been told about it is a lie. "it was a big revolution of the workers and bourgeoisie against the aristocrats." Lie. This Paris Commune has also been heavily misrepresented which Marx seemed to have realized later in life. We should look at actual indigenous societies that are anarchic or anarchist like instead. Anthropologist anarchists are better than A grade morons like Proudhoun.

>>1808352
>But the French socialists were moronic and the French revolution was a mistake. Everything we've been told about it is a lie. "it was a big revolution of the workers and bourgeoisie against the aristocrats." Lie. This Paris Commune has also been heavily misrepresented which Marx seemed to have realized later in life.

Please explain your point of view, if possible with a source. That is a big claim to make

>>1808352
The final enemy of anarkiddies - functional brain.

>>1808362
>Leftist account of the French revolution is wrong
The standard leftist history of the French revolution is that it was a class war of the bourgeoisie and the poor against the aristocrats which destroyed feudalism. There isn't a total consensus on what was the biggest cause of the French revolution but this Marxist account has mostly collapsed in the face of recent evidence. There are even historians who argue that a self-conscious bourgeois class never even existed at the time. A capitalist economy was already developing under the monarchy, many nobles and aristocrats were themselves capitalists while many revolutionaries weren't. There were also aristocrats and members of the nobility who held power during the revolution and helped instigate it. Furet argues there wasn't a single cause for the revolution. Since there was no unified leadership or a consensus on ideology, the revolution became a series of off the cuff responses to unexpected or accidental events with a lot of factional infighting. It was a big clusterfuck basically.

Source:
The myth of the French bourgeoisie: an essay on the social imaginary, 1750-1850 by Sarah C. Maza
Interpreting the French Revolution by Francois Furet

>Paris Commune was overblown
There's still a lot of debate about this event but leftists have blown it out of proportion. It was just a regional insurrection that even involved right wing neo Jacobins. Because it was short lived, anarchists, socialists, and communists could all project their own hopes and dreams onto it and interpret it as proof of an imminent proletarian revolution. France had dozens of uprisings in 19th century. What makes this one so special?
https://publicseminar.org/essays/the-paris-commune-of-1871-myth-and-reality/

>The early French socialists were retards
I mean Marx said as much himself but this is really a matter of opinion. I read a lot of Voltaire, Montesquieu etc. and I didn't like them.

What's your opinion on Murray Bookchin?

>the houthis are homophobic so Palestine deserves no aid. Hamas is homophobic so the genocide is "complicated"
>Putin is a meanie so we have to ship more weapons to Ukraine so the working class can continue fighting an impossible war, so NATO can jerk itself off (our hero apparently)
>we have no plan to actually bring about anarchism and afterwords we'll just uhhh.. be left alone by the CIA because uh…. they'll think we're really cool
>Marx is an antisemite because I saw the title "On The Jewish Question" and assumed he was an antisemite because I can't read. He was against the establishment of a capitalist, Jewish ethnostate and that's antisemitic so that means us anarchists are pro-Israel now (???)
>every online community of anarchists is just crying about idpol shit but that's okay
>facts/science is tough so let's just get into mysticism, like the nazis
>if within 100 years something bad happens even once, the entire system must be DESTROYED so WE CAN BE THE CHARGE and immediately lose control due to foreign influence. One innocent man gets wrongly convicted of a crime? We can't imprison rapists anymore.
>our hero Chomsky can give a glowing explanation of why nationalizing industry is good, but then his justification for anarchism is "well Angola was cool until it fell apart. The real anarchism is the working class… *claps*"
tl;dr everyone but me is a fascist. It's pretty much the "send thoughts and prayers" of leftism.

>>1715490
Anarchism has direct, historical proof of falling apart in a year after it's tried, precisely because society isn't prepared for it yet, just like Marx wrote. Don't cast stones from glass houses.

Anarchism worked, anarchism works and anarchism will work.
The debate should not be if it will work, but how we can make it work again, and do it better then before.

>>1815796
based

>>1815794
Who is being quoted howevermore

>>1816706
Are these “capitalist theocracies” in the room with us right now? And how are your current anarchist states fairing?

>>1816713
>MLoid needs to deny Houthis are theocratic nationalists and Russia is capitalist like the opportunistic coward it is
Shocker

the fact both of you even have these types of arguments prove both MLoids and the average anarchists are retarded and will never win

>>1816706
>Le first line of the green text proves anarchist is le based
<First line is about how anarchist support Capitalism genocide and imperialism if the target is not woke enough
not the own you think it its anarchoid.

>>1816741
The first line is disingenuous and relies on emotional argumentation, which isn't shocking for an ML
"Anarchists support capitalist genocide" only makes sense if viewed through the cowardly and opportunistic lens of modern self-proclaimed MLs, who very shamelessly champion theocratic organizations, capitalists, and other murderous anti-communists leading the fight where MLs themselves have pathetically failed
It's actually the highest of farces to witness MLs take immense pride in rhetorically supporting the armed struggle of non-socialist anti-proletarian militant forces whose ultimate aim has nothing to do with the aims MLs themselves champion
The cowardice typically reveals itself in the hypocrisy of the MLoid, where they promote themselves as cold materialists and pragmatists when it comes to the history of ML led purges of the left, but cry and shit themselves when modern communists and anarchists don't throw their lot in with militants that are only circumstantial enemies of the West

Do you genuinely think your online politics are worth that much of a fuck? Why does it matter if communists rhetorically shill for the Houthis and Russia in your smooth brain?

Is baby scared of seeing people with different ideas? Does it hurt baby's little brain?