/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1826745
I do understand this, but there was another thread where CPUSAnon made some great points about how the Fascists of today aren't much more than petty street gangs with an aesthetic, something CPUSAnon called "Witch Doctor Politics" (Pic related).

<The problem with modern Fascists is beyond broadly not reading their own theory, they take what I'd coin the "Witch Doctor" approach to politics. They elevate politics to purely performative rituals in the hopes that it'll mean actual power. Y'know in some way Patriot Front is more genuinely American than any other Fascist group out there because they're concerned with appearances and how they appear on camera rather than doing anything "offscreen."

<But yeah, like I was saying. Most Fascist only have political expression without political construction. They'll do things like hold a sign with an inflammatory statement out, threaten to start fights, then throw up a nazi salute. It's like the atomized white guy's version of a flash mob.

<Let's go back to Patriot Front: they're training in marching formations with shield and club tactics. Beyond just embarrassing themselves, it reveals they're trying to make the brownshirts without having a real reason for them. They recognize that early Fascists had bodyguards, but they can't understand why the various shirts-militias existed in the first place, or what they did other than "fight leftists."

<Mosley's Blackshirts beat up tax collectors trying to get some church tithe from farmers. The Brownshirts sold cigarettes. juilossW's Blackshirts were more combat oriented, granted, but it wasn't like they didn't have people winning hearts and minds-Casapound set up a youth hostel and health clinic. The Falange supported workers co-ops.

<Can anyone say what these groups do other than shit their pants in public? What makes the thing even more comical is that most of these guys aren't, like, psychotic combat veterans. Shit, from what I saw in the Patriot Front doxx it was mostly pasty-looking suburban nerds with, like, one violent former felon among them. So you've got kids who think they're hard because they smoked weed once in highschool tagging bus stops. Plus these guys are terrified of consequences, so while the blackshirts were willing to get their teeth knocked in and do flagrantly illegal shit, up to literally assassinating their political enemies, these guys are just petty hooligans with a Nazi aesthetic.

As >>1827238 noticed, the NSN chapters, for example, don't really do much except show up, march around and have their little larp, and then piss off. I'd go further and criticise even Fascist "Theory" like the book Siege is pretty shit, actively encouraging lone-wolf style terrorist attacks - or, what Anarchists of the late 19th century called "Propaganda of the Deed", which we on the left learned a century ago is not an effective strategy for recruiting likeminded people. I'd be more concerned if they set up a street kitchen or something. They have their gyms, sure, but that's not much compared to, say, all the Union and broad front organising an org like the CPA does.

>>1826852
the revolution will come to those who want it. There is a difference between us and the rest of the Anglos. Australians and New Zealander/Aotearoans are not, broadly speaking, fucking retarded like the Brits, nor backwardly close-minded like the Americans; or cucked into oblivion like the Canadians. We have a legitimate chance, I'm sure of it. This country was built on the blood of black martyrs and the sweat of white slaves. Remember that people of all colours hoisted the Cross of Stars at Eureka in 1854, and when the redcoats tried to cut nonwhite folks out of the concessions they were willing to give the miners told them to go fuck themselves. Reaction is prevalent in this country, yes, just look at r/AustraliaCirclejerk, hell, even in Tf2 lobbies I've gotten shit from other Australians for being an open Communist. But I've met far more Communists in Tf2's Sydney servers than I've met reactionaries. And even if it is just us, well, hell, all that means is we've gotta work harder.

Personally, I smell opportunity in the air. People are pissed at Labor and know they're full of shit. But the Liberals are worse, people still have that in the back of their minds. If we were to inject real class consciousness into their minds, and supplement that with a real alternative- "Australian Socialism", or "Socialism with Australian Characteristics", even - and we organise properly and militantly, I am certain we could make some real change. We're not outnumbered. We're out-organised.

Combat Doomerism. Kappa.

>>1827908
I consider them training under a belief system that aims to use that violence against already marginalised people in our society a bad thing, regardless of its effectiveness in establishing a fascist regime. Ditto for their ideological leaning towards lone wolf attacks.

Remember, these were the ones trying to recruit Tarrant when he was known to be plotting a terror attack by observers.

No, a fascist state isn't around the corner from them, but they are also growing a lot more effectively than any antifascist counter-otganising at the minute which should concern us, because the target of their ineffective violence tends to be working class people at the fringes. If you have no interest in defending working class people by eradicating fascist organising, stop calling yourself a socialist of whatever variety tbh.

>>1827908
>I do understand this, but there was another thread where CPUSAnon made some great points about how the Fascists of today aren't much more than petty street gangs with an aesthetic,
Thats not CPUSAnon's analysis thsts just a basic observation of large segments of fascism in the West since literally world war 2..
These people are extremely dangerous and need to be combated, and it does not matter 1 bit if these people are far from power, the important part is people with power are willing to set them loose and utilise them for their own violent needs.
We don't do antifa because there is a serious chance these people are gonna take power, one would have to be a downs child to think so, we do it because these people when organised are extremely dangerous to the communities we live in and around.

>>1828343
>>1828350
This is true and I agree with it. Their strategies are shit and their politicking is terrible, but their "praxis" strategies are why we should watch out for whenever they do have a little chimpout. They are small and ineffective, yes, but we should not under any circumstances let our guard down when dealing with them.

They aren't dangerous and have zero influence. Even the Centre Party/New Guard fizzled out and that was in an environment that could potentially have been conducive to fascist thought. Every far-right group in this country absolutely glows, and has a belief system that is so antithetical to the interests of elites that they simply won't be allowed to acquire any influence what so ever.

>>1828424
>Every far-right group in this country absolutely glows, and has a belief system that is so antithetical to the interests of elites that they simply won't be allowed to acquire any influence what so ever.

Maybe there's a case study in this, how fascists' yammering on about da jooz and muh africans is completely alien to what Rupert and Gina et al are interested in. They just want to keep the exports and subsidies going, completely in line with the Americans. If the time came for "oh no, the commies are getting a bit scary, time to get some right-wing crackdowns going" 99% chance they'd just funnel all their efforts into the far-right faction of the LNP. Why would they give a shit about some racist cookers in victoria?

That said, it does need to be pointed out that another good reason why the Centre Party/Guard fizzled is because they got their shit kicked in by Communists. We shouldn't be complacent.

So did anyone figured out why the premiers got stabbed?

>>1828614
My personal prediction is that the next large political battle in Australia that will have a significant racial dimension is immigration. Not in the context of quality of tertiary education, housing or wages - since those are by design or locked in; but the growth in unfunded capital expenditure required by states to support rapid population growth. It will also challenge the sustainability of the PBS, Medicare and NDIS. My bet for the next five to ten years is an increase in GST to support the states, roll back of social programs and general fall in quality of life. Elites will need someone to blame at that point.

>>1827908
>"Australian Socialism", or "Socialism with Australian Characteristics"
It's 'socialisme sans doctrine' for me.
I've fpund some local success by taking a more De Leonist approach (without the screeing). It's not enough, but starting from zero means I'll use what seems to work locally.

>>1828692
100% they're gonna try copy US yellow peril
>>1828794
not having a doctrine is not a good idea broadly speaking, you can't run off vibes forever; but i'm not you so hey, if it works, onya m8

>>1820838
Being a proxy in the US-China conflict does not entertain you?
What do you want? Clive Palmer? Indo invasion? You getting off your arse and emmanentising a revolution?

Will make some effortposts re: /study fascism/ tonight. Stay tuned.
In the mean time, the thread is archived at >>>/leftypol_archive/589420 and there are a couple of posts specifically mentioning the Tom Sewer and the Turds.

I will quickly say Commissar has some good points. As for neo-Nazism's efficacy: a few socialist groups, trade unions and mediocre Muslim orgs have done infinitely more to hurt da joo in a few months than neo-Nazis have in the same time plus seven decades. They have passion but no strategic skills, and no tactics beyond attention whoring and attempted terror. Like I mentioned in that thread, and like Commissar said, maymay warfare and PotD siegefaggotry is not going to work. It will kill innocent people, but it won't achieve their goals or threaten 'the system' and is not viable at scale.

>>1830666
>They have passion but no strategic skills
that's charitable. they're a barking dog that shows up from time to time to justify the government tamping down on our right to protest.

Just migrated to Australia, pretty cool country. Cheers.

>>1830873
>pretty cool country
Eh, in some ways.
I'd rather live here than most places, but fuck Australia. Come join a party.

>>1830873
Fuck off, we're full

>>1830883
Sorry, you actually have a shortage of teachers.
>>1830879
Eh, better than my country at least.

more zionist motivated extremism in melbs. went to protest and one of the speakers informed everyone that his house got firebombed after he organised a protest at the israeli embassy. the story is going onto social media tonight. probably won't hit the mainstream media or even get properly investigated by the cops.

>>1830899
>the story is going onto social media tonight.
surely someone noticed a fucking fire, comrade. how do you plan a media release for that?

>>1830903
mate, the whole purpose of the media is to set an agenda provide a distraction from everything else. there are like 1500 house fires every year the news doesn't run 4 house fire stories a day. it's beyond trivial to sweep it under the rug.

What's the deal with the future made in Australia act? Seems like a good thing.

>>1830932
thanks, sounds nice.

Is this even possible?

help the trots get on the federal ballot, need it or keep it?
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/sep/australia/put-sep-on-ballot.html

>>1830903
Didn’t that YouTuber got his house firebombed and still nothing came out of it?

>>1833090
yeah, and jordies is a fucking libtard.

>>1830911
After off-shoring all of our shit they want to bring shit back on shore. Our government should learn lessons from South Korea, Thaliand and Taiwan. Our only domestic plastics manufacturing capability just closed down because of high gas network prices.

You need to start from the bottom and build up rather than randomly picking shit like solar panels which we have zero competitive advantage in.

The Coalition tried this with weapons. Again, we can't do it, because we don't have economic complexity. We just procured some shit from local branches of Thales and called it a day.

If you think of our political class as people who have not involved in intellect or ideology since the time they entered student politics, their economic policies make a lot more sense.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/social-media-companies-blamed-for-extremism-by-law-enforcement/103760706
>We recognise the role that technologies like end-to-end encryption play in protecting personal data, privacy and cyber security, but there is no absolute right to privacy

>Without their help in very limited and strictly controlled circumstances, encryption is unaccountable,
>In effect, unaccountable encryption is like building a safe room for terrorists and spies, a secure place where they can plot and plan.

Meanwhile:
>>1787978

>>1833084
SEP are faggots. They are ineffective ultra retirees who have no solidarity with other comrades, whether it be other parties or worker unions. I have a hard time justifying ranking them above the bloody Greens. At least the Greens ""work"" with other groups instead of being a whiny parasite.

>>1833090
That was all over the news, like mainstream news. So I don't see your point that a small fire believed to be politically motivated would be talked about on social media, even just by people at the event they were telling everyone at.

>>1834352
Then how come nobody got caught for that?

>>1834355
That's not the point.

Also, don't be a cunt:

>>1834352
nah I'm fucking dumb actually. they picked it up but only after it went on social media. the fucking j-town mob came back for the burgertory guy's family.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/firebomb-attack-at-the-home-of-hash-tayeh-20240422-p5flqf.html

>>1830666
>a few socialist groups, trade unions and mediocre Muslim orgs have done infinitely more to hurt da joo in a few months than neo-Nazis have in the same time plus seven decades

Because the far right was under extremely close scrutiny after da joo won WW2.
But watch what will happen now.

>>1834393
>the fucking j-town mob came back for the burgertory guy's family.
Jeez, literal textbook terrorism. I've been out of the media for a couple of weeks but this is just fucked.
Zionists really out here losing all support among moderate liberals.

also did they just throw fire bombs at concrete and metal? Idiots
>“The police have failed to protect this community. There have been so many attacks, not just against me, but against so many of us and now this has hit home and bombs were thrown at my house.”

>>1834951
And, by scrutiny, I guess you mean 'being funded by the CIA'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

White Nationalists work hand-in-hand with other racial separatists like Black Nationalists and Zionists. Zionists want Jews to feel unsafe in the US, Europe and Australia, so that they will go to Israel and fight. They love what neo-Nazis are doing. Socialists, on the other hand, actually threaten their wallet by enacting workers rights and community building. The far-right are too strategically bankrupt to endorse anything smarter than Siegefaggotry, which just kills a few people and changes nothing. The result of a fundamentally broken analysis of society.

A far-right kiddo would do more to achieve their goals by just pretending to be a leftist. Hell, it's what the NSDAP and ᴉuᴉlossnW did.

>>1835032
wonder if we can foia victoria police to find out if they ever discuss foisting this on the tobacco war or the mossad connection considering it happened after a demo at the israeli embassy.

>>1830666
The difference is white nationalists don't believe the Jews are literal devils and it's hard to get average white people to hate Jews. Islam teaches that Jews are the spawn of Satan and that's why Mohammed and his followers did this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

>>1836768
That's pretty tangiental to the point, anon. In fact, the people doing the most damage (in the West) aren't even Muslim.

What is the materialist explanation for the housing crisis in Australia?

Their gonna censor the internet and require ID proof on all websites which are a platform/publisher to stop 16 year olds watching porn to in turn stop ‘Violence against women’ lmao.
Everything IS a PsyOp LMAO

>>1839168
go away, nerd

Why haven't you joined TU4P?

>>1833084
SEP is an infantile disorder.

RUH ROH

>This was from an email from the [USyd] Vice Chancellor

>>1838377

Porky importing hundreds of thousands of Indians to work as delivery drivers.

May Day I'm Sydney was great. Got to chat to the legend in OP.
CFMEU have their shit together, people walking around to sites months in advances making it clear that everyone is walking off on May 1. Them and ETA came out in force, and a wide range of other unions and a few orgs.
SEP retards started trying to (unwittingly, thinking they're rank and file) tell our union staff that unions are bad and union staff just want to keep their comfy jobs instead of ending the war today. Hope everyone else bullied those ultras too.