No.1795109[Last 50 Posts]
Jimmy Dore's video on the Boeing whistleblower that got Seth Rich'd has a bunch of rightoids malding over Jimmy attacking capitalism as the cause for Boeing being retarded with their safety regulations.
Comments are filled with
>not real capitalism>it's crony capitalism>it's fascism>it would work if it was capitalism<more rightoid bullshitBut this comment in one of the threads stood out: picrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsUgxDNSGO0&lc=UgwaxrHpTJaYK2WUNJl4AaABAgHow would I answer this?
I don't comment on youtube anymore since my comments get deleted/shadowbanned and I don't find any use having debates there. But should I have a debate on Rumble, where there is actual free speech, how would I answer this?
No.1795120
jimmy dore tows a line between pandering to his schizo reactionary fans and his progressive leftist fans. there isnt much you can do to educate the reactionaries that jimmy doesnt already do by pointing to proof of conspiracy when it comes to any kind of conspiracy theory.
No.1795122
>>1795109>How would I answer this?You don't. The only way they can change their mind is through life experience and stress.
They use the same type of reasoning as classical liberals like Auberon Herbert's 'voluntaryism' which is the purest version of manufacturing consent.
No.1795125
>>1795120Jimmy fans are now 50% Maga, 20% 4chan jew-obsessed nazis, 20% leftists, 10% apoliticals.
>>1795122Why are they so retarded though? I mean it is literally capitalism and they be like nuh uh. I guess they were projecting all along about "that was not real capitalism"
No.1795129
Simply enough: why do they have a mower, and you dont? It's already assuming that capitalism necessitates and expands an imbalance of capital.
No.1795132
>>1795125>Why are they so retarded though? I mean it is literally capitalism and they be like nuh uhI spent four years swallowing Rothbard's shit. There are idiots who've spend decades being ancraps. There is no hope for them, they'd rather kill themselves than be proven wrong. It took me a lot of time and effort questioning my beliefs to escape the cult of the free market. It took me a lot of reading into philosophy and reading into what the perceived 'enemies' actually believe in - something a lot of them refuse to even engage in, instead just relying on circlejerks.
No.1795140
this comment is a bait nobody is this stupid
No.1795141
>>1795132One of the hardest parts is when you've spent so much time propagading it that it feels awful to turn against it - forming friend groups centered around the belief only to find yourself becoming alienated after changing. Luckily I managed to change the minds of some of my closest friends, though with some I had to part ways after that.
It is a complete mental breakdown to change something you've invested so thoroughly in. They genuinely believe they are doing good.
One sign of wanting to change is when they try to make synthesis with competing beliefs. The meme of a 'libertarian unity' is mostly built around the ancraps coping with the inconsistency of their beliefs and being outed by anarchists. They begin to feel alienation at that point.
No.1795142
>>1795129Good answer. Praxeology without empiricism is total nonsense. Like their Water vs Diamond on an island bullshit thought experiment.
>>1795132Why are they into ancapism? We have a retard ancap on the site who thinks the stock market is communism and feudalism is capitalism. I have seen similar comments on the video. What caused you to no longer worship the free market? And more importantly, what causes someone to worship said fiction?
No.1795143
>>1795140Have you seen the ancrap leddit? Thousands of retards like this. Some even worse.
No.1795145
>>1795143no i have all social media redirected to a loopback address in hosts
No.1795147
>>1795142>What caused you to no longer worship the free market?Primarily realising the distinction between the terminology they use. Markets are not inherently the same as capitalism. Property is not possession. It came bit by bit with reading into leftist literature and realising the false dialectic which they work with. Anarchism for example they simply consider 'no state'. They have a selective view of history and its very frail.
No.1795150
>>1795142> And more importantly, what causes someone to worship said fiction?The false notion of freedom. And a personal vendetta against communism which they also fail to give a proper definition of.
No.1795158
>>1795142While its still shitlib literature the book Markets Not Capitalism is one of the essentials for deconverting ancraps or at least getting them to question their reality.
Although I don't bother. Most of them are too retarded to read, they just look at memes and pretend that they've read books they've never opened.
The first thing they do when they encounter a foreign book criticizing them with words they don't understand is immidietly look for a refutation. They don't look to understand it. They immidietly check leddit if one of their think tanks has created a 'refutation' of it or a critique. This is the sort of idiocy you'll be dealing with if you choose to respond to them.
No.1795160
>>1795142>We have a retard ancap on the site who thinks the stock market is communism and feudalism is capitalismI think you are probably talking about me, the guy from the bulshit jobs thread.
I don't believe in any of that btw
No.1795164
>>1795160You're probably going through a phase where you change ideologies. Start reading philosophy, it might fix your brain.
The mises institute has cum in the brains of too many impressionable normies. The holy bible for them (anatomy of the state) has been their little red book into autism.
Stop yourself before you go too deep. Start reading philosophy.
No.1795166
>>1795164the anatomy of what?
No.1795168
>>1795166Its the ancrap holy book. The anatomy of the state by Rothbard. This is what their perception of reality is built upon.
When they're done with it, everyone around them goes from human to statist. They don't give a fuck about classes. They don't give a shit about workers. They only care if a person is a 'statist' or not.
No.1795171
>>1795168Me care much much about workers.
Me hate the capitalists, me hate them very much
No.1795172
>>1795168To them class theory is marxist propaganda and capitalism is a 'ladder' they can climb. Anyone who hasn't tried climbing it or refuses to appears as a parasite to them. They genuinely think they can progress through capitalism. And at the very least they think they can live a secluded life on a farm somewhere in their home armed to the teeth with a bisected gadsden flag on their wall, everything colored black and yellow and they can prepare for communist invaders. That is their utopia, their endgoal. A sort of antisocial desire to 'be left alone' fending for themselves in a conservative lifestyle. Though not all of them are conservatives mind you.
No.1795176
oh ok sorry man i am actually retarded paranoid sometimes, very sorry
>>1795174 No.1795177
>Me care much much about workers.
>Me hate the capitalists, me hate them very much
Then you're not an ancrap. Ancraps don't make a distinction between capitalists and workers. In their eyes they think the capitalists worked the hardest to rise above everyone else. Thats the sort of delusion they're living in. They don't see any issue with passive income from property but they see an issue with taxes. At the very least they fantasize about breaking away or balkanizing the states until it becomes a domestic matter to them.
They don't make parralels of profit through rent with taxes. Taxes to them are done by the big bad guys who start wars. They think that wars and conflicts literally won't happen if everything is privatized. I remember it ever so vividly the mentality I was in when I went through that.
They also like to push in the idea of crony capitalism and state capitalism as illegitimate. But they wouldin't say they hate capitalists. They think of it as a sort of way Keynesians impersonate their free market to push in 'socialist planning'. They've declared keynesian economics their mortal enemy in the modern world, which some of them see as a bigger threat than communism although it greatly varies on what kind of vision they on communism.
No.1795180
>>1795177they have on communism*
Also was responding to
>>1795171I can go on all night and day about their cult. Its exhausting.
No.1795182
>>1795158>The first thing they do when they encounter a foreign book criticizing them with words they don't understand is immidietly look for a refutation. They don't look to understand it. They immidietly check leddit if one of their think tanks has created a 'refutation' of it or a critique. Sounds like a religion
>>1795172So why don't they become CEO's and wealthy property lords?
>A sort of antisocial desire to 'be left alone' fending for themselves in a conservative lifestyle. Though not all of them are conservatives mind you.Sounds like someone is sad they can't find a girlfriend. All the ancaps I ever talked to in my life were involuntarily single young males.
>>1795177I found them to really hate Keynesians but respect Stalinists. I dont know why.
No.1795185
>>1795109Picrel is not quistinessial to free market captialism, Every economic system has contracts like this.
No.1795188
>>1795182>So why don't they become CEO's and wealthy property lords? Some of them are. Most of them are just dreamers. Its a wet dream which also causes them to invest in cryptocurrencies or property hoping that they make it big.
>Sounds like someone is sad they can't find a girlfriend. All the ancaps I ever talked to in my life were involuntarily single young males.They are. A lot of them are also heavily influenced by the manosphere. They think that once they get rich everyone will come to suck their dick.
>I found them to really hate Keynesians but respect Stalinists. I dont know why.Wtf is this infrared bullshit? No genuine ancraps respect Stalin. Stalin to them is their Hitler.
No.1795190
>>1795188>Stalin to them is their Hitler.And by this I mean it is their Hitler and they envision themselves as the jews.
A lot of them don't like fascists or nazis because they see it as another form of socialism / communism. But a portion (mostly Hoppeans) are close allies of fascists. The abomination of the neoreactionary movement with late Nick Land and Moldbug is a peak example of them making synthesis between ancrapism and fascism.
No.1795192
>>1795190They also have a soft spot for anticommunist dictators like Pinochet.
Pinochet is often seen as their version of Che Guevara.
No.1795193
>>1795188One ancap at college told me he respected Stalin because he was successful and he also allowed free markets with the artel system. Another ancap at work also liked Stalin because he "killed a bunch of commies".
He also liked pol pot but for the anti-intellectual reasons.
>>1795190Hoppe fanboys are closeted nazis tho. They don't hide that they want to kill a bunch of people via "physical removal".
No.1795197
>>1795192The emphasis of throwing communists out of planes comes from their rage and inability to change the communists &/ anarchists they argue with.
They are mad and they want death at moments like that. On a good day they will lecture someone on being a violent genocidal maniac for supporting healthcare programs and present themselves as the biggest pacifists (under the voluntaryist label) on earth. On a bad day they'll be calling for total decommunization by threatning to use violent force in defence of private property (this is often where they see themselves as some sort of badass version of the Rooftop koreans).
No.1795206
>>1795193>One ancap at college told me he respected Stalin because he was successful and he also allowed free markets with the artel system.Thats some infrared / jreg viewer mentality. Just watch as he changes through different beliefs and ideological labels. Inconsistencies and contradictions don't matter to people like that.
>Another ancap at work also liked Stalin because he "killed a bunch of commies".They see it as communist infighting. And they also see communism as the biggest threat against communists. Because they think its a system thats doomed.
>He also liked pol pot but for the anti-intellectual reasons.Crypto-fascist behaviour created by excessive memes and alienation from being chronically online.
>Hoppe fanboys are closeted nazis tho. They don't hide that they want to kill a bunch of people via "physical removal".They are, they just don't like the fascist label. Since they often see fascism as a form of socialism and think of it as another command-economy. They want to use their power through accumulated wealth and resources to warmonger against communists.
No.1795211
>>1795206>They want to use their power through accumulated wealth and resources to warmongerIn other words, central planning kek. Why can't they just admit they want to plan the economy around themselves. Would be so much simpler
No.1795215
>>1795211>Why can't they just admit they want to plan the economy around themselvesThey do, thats why they call themselves an individualist philosophy and cling onto a selective and false history of individualist anarchism.
No.1795216
>>1795215Another thing. To them communism is contradictory. Anarchist communism is especially viewed as contradictory by their maldeveloped brains. They cannot, ever, distinguish between Leninism and Anarcho-Communism. To them its the same with the idea that communists are somehow stealing the anarchist label from them. And think that they've rightfully inherited the anarchist label. They cannot grasp it. They think anarcho communism wants the state to create communism for them. Communism to them is almost just another buzzword for regulations.
Regulations to them means less freedoms. Less freedoms means totalitaranism and then they think they'll die. Thats how these retards fucking process shit.
No.1795222
>>1795216Another thing I want to write before I dip soon. The internet is at fault for this shit. Ancrapism spread through memes. Most of them fucking picked up their ideology from memes. They don't wanna admit it because they seem stupid admitting it. Most of them want to seem like educated economists. Even if they don't know shit about economics. They will never admit that they picked up their ideology from fucking memes. They'll say they became ancraps when they had some sort of eureka moment about freedom or when they started reading (if they ever did at all). Not saying most of them don't read anything, but the only things they like to read are the books and essays written by think tanks which only reaffirm their views prior.
No.1795225
>>1795222I should also mention that they have internal feuds in their circles. About topics like abortion, religion (lots of them are christians and atheists), WMDs (although most of the consensus is that they're bad), lgbt rights, voting or not voting, whether or not to collaborate with libertarians / minarchists (more liberal abominations), whether or not to collaborate with other anarchists ('libunity'autist fantasies), civil militias or peaceful reforms and shit like that. There's a lot of division and inconsistencies in their circles. The one thing that binds them is hatred for common enemies.
No.1795227
OP I hope that my replies were useful to give you some insight on how braindead they are. And why its a waste of energy to try and deconvert them one by one. It simply takes too long and it requires them to stress in order to change. For every ancrap deconverted some fucking bullshit think tank spreading its propaganda is influencing the masses. As banal as it sounds a lot of youtubers are at fault for this phenomena. This is just how the spectacle has constructed itself. And as Mark Fisher described it as a sort of toxic atmosphere which deceives people into believing it is the only viable way of organizing a society.
No.1795228
Pardon my formatting and the way I shat out everything in seperate replies. I haven't slept for a long ass time.
No.1795293
>>1795249I kind of feel bad for the guy. He sounds like such a dweeb.
No.1795357
>>1795249tbh those lefty anarchist Greeks are kinda being assholes.
That tourist made good points.
No.1795440
This is a consequence of woke crony neo-feudalism
No.1795579
>>1795125>I guess they were projecting all along about "that was not real capitalism"Of course. All right wingers can do is project.
Friendly reminder that the term "capitalism" itself was not coined by capitalists or its supporters, but by anti-capitalists, since the goal of this term was to pinpoint what this "free enterprise" libshits pushed for was actually about: capital.
No.1795680
>>1795109Thought I was the doreanon in here. He's the most effective voice to get people to even recognize the existence of capitalism, never mind question it. That's where it is around here.
>How would I answer this?>I have a mower<I have this land>you mow lawns<you work the land>you get 10 I get 10<you get to live I get the cropsYou answer it by pointing out that it's the same fucking argument that Kings used to justify themselves, and finish up by saying
>and what did we do to Kings<we fucking guillotined themDunno why you think you could do anything productive in YouTube comments tho, they're botted to shit.
>>1795109>the Boeing whistleblower that got Seth Rich'dthe guy said that he had no suicidal intentions and feared getting suicided according to relations. idk.
No.1795708
>>1795705
these people here think that kids having after school jibs is child abuse.
Thy think teens having semi skilled jobs in pkace of higher education is wasting youth
No.1795709
>>1795705
>emoji
post hand and timestamp uyghur
No.1795713
>>1795705
kek a live retard on the loose. People who don't even realize that they live in capitalism understand the argument but you can't.
No.1795717
>>1795709Phoneposter master race 💪
>>1795713We live in a society
No.1795721
>>1795228Thanks a lot fren
>>1795249>I WANNA BE A FASCIST AND YOU HAVE TO ALLOW ME TO BE A FASCIST TO YOU<Since when did competition stay peaceful? Stable and peaceful are not the same. Nature can be stable, but it sure as hell ain't peaceful with all those predators running around>>1795260Good to know Jimmy has not changed his position on this. Rightoids still mald in his comments when he attacks crapitalism.
>How long will people tolerate this?For as long as it takes.
And not only that but they will also bend over backwards to justify the system
>It's not real capitalism>we don't have capitalism>it's corporatism etc.<Makes sense since the imperial core was preparing for this and the average person rather live in fantasy land than admit they are farm animals ready to be slaughtered.>>1795396Why would I feed into their nonsense. Capitalism is not dead, it evolved into something new, but the essence of capitalism still remains.
>>1795680The question was about mowing other people's lawns. Its praxeological nonsense. The anon who said about inequality of capital ownership was correct.
<I have never seen a lessor decide the prices for the lessee once the lease has been agreed upon.<Think construction equipment renters being burdened by the equipment owners deciding what prices they set to home dwellers when building houses kek
>>1795705Not the argument. I was deciphering praxeological garbage. Praxoids love these thought experiments because they obfuscate some kind of hidden truth that would reveal their bullshit arguments. Children chores are temporary. This alone demolishes the premise.
>>1795716Jimmy thinks he can ride into communism on the libertarian train.
No.1795726
>>1795717>Phoneposter which is why you should post your hand and timestamp right now.
No.1795728
>>1795716>Keep eating his shit fanboy and you'll be chanting "end the fed" in due course.I heard the phrase "intellectual zambonism." It was from a liberal referring to whenever Trump did something completely retarded and these conservative eggheads would try to reframe or rationalize it to make him seem less stupid than he is, like a Zamboni machine on an ice hockey rink smoothing out the ice. He was also critical of what he thought were boneheaded left-wing protesters like Extinction Rebellion and people trying to intellectualize away their obvious flaws.
But I think this can also apply to people who were like "well, Jimmy Dore might be a dumbass, but he's pointing in the right direction" before careening into the glass. I'm still working on this sports analogy.
No.1795734
>>1795732>pro-Israel and anti-vaxxNew type retardation. What will they think of next?
No.1795740
You've got a generation of people raised on the most unscientific, nonsense definition of Capitalism possible.
I'd say for some lolberts, "Capitalism" begins and ends with the definition of "Laissez-Faire" that they learned in a freshman Social Studies' class. The scattered definitions congeal in their skulls, and they come to the conclusion that Capitalism in the truest sense means absolutism over property with zero influence from the government. They think that because that's the "first" definition of Capitalism they learn, it's somehow the "truest" one. The fact that politicians use the "Free Market" as some abstract term in their campaigning only reinforces this idiotic idea that the truest form of Capitalism is this imaginary kind of laissez-faire.
Going beyond that however, there's also what I'd call the "occlusion" of Capitalism thanks to decades of Cold War propaganda. The U.S. realized pretty early it couldn't win the economic argument against the USSR so it tried to conflate capitalism with this nebulous "freedom." As though Capitalism only "works" when people get to cast ballots every few years for a few different parties. So when people witness Capitalism actively restricting their freedom (even something as silly as Facebook banning their racist posts) they exclaim that this is actually NOT Capitalism! This is COMMUNISM in fact! It's this cult of the small producer. They understand Capitalism as some nebulous "competition" but they can't understand that competitions end. You can't have a race that goes on forever. Eventually someone takes the trophy home. But since they're so dogmatically obsessed with this idea of Capitalism as a form of "competition" they think the company that beat out all its rivals and has gotten so fucking big that it's unstoppable is somehow "cheating" or some kind of break with the system.
They *genuinely* can't understand the idea that a company can get so large it'll be unstoppable. They have this narrative that even if a company becomes a monopoly, some rando will invent some new technology that "disrupts the market" and restores competition. They don't think the company would just buy his patent out from under him, or sue him, or do any other shady trick with its abundant resources to fuck him over.
Finally, and most perverse, is the idea that Capitalism is just an incentive structure. You work harder, better, faster, smarter than someone else and you get more money. You can almost respect it in a Darwinian sort of way. When they say "Communism sounds good on paper, but fails in practice" they haven't even read the paper, because they think that Communism means everyone works for free, or gets paid exactly the same, and that the guy who produces one hundred times as many steel bars as the person next to him doesn't get any reward for his more efficient labor. Again, they think it's Communism when Walmart lays off half of its employees and doubles the workload of the remaining half, because they think Capitalism "has" to reward you for working more.
No.1795767
>>1795735>Try convincing an islamic terrorist to accept child drag shows with logic and reason. <When your position is so trash that you feel more sympathy for the terrorist>makes an argument against the french revolutionPlenty of communists make the same argument
>>1795740>It's this cult of the small producer.This is the center of their worldview. If you tell them that communism empowers the small producer, they will immediately say "THAT"S IMPOSSIBLE!"
>They understand Capitalism as some nebulous "competition"They have vocabulary problems. What they want is "cooperation" but where they get all the gibs.
Last year, my boss loved John Stossel until he spoke out against gov subsidies to corporations. Now my boss hates his ass and calls him a dirty commie.
No.1795771
>>1795767He also loves china. His wife told me that when he went to china to secure a deal, he would ask the translator to say that china is real capitalism and america was a communist dictatorship. The translator told her that one of the chinese delegates came up to him and said
>You americans are truly special people, we couldn't wish for better business partners. No.1795773
>>1795767>Plenty of communists make the same argumentIts a bad argument to begin with since the french revolution is just the natural result of the enlightenment. Also, that quote from hegel about all things being put under the dictatorship of reason is part of his critique.
Replacing "muh reason" with "muh science" just doesnt seem enough for me. But thats my own reactionary position speaking.
Personally, my anthropology of modernity sees how the renaissance really started things off as an aesthetic eruption and so we could have a neo-renaissance rather than a "dark enlightenment" or whatever trash people support to right the wrongs of history. Moldbug obviously does a good job of trashing all of the cringe 1776 conservatives who dont know what the word "revolution" really means.
In any case, a "proletarian" illuminati isnt appealing. Just accept that you all want robspierre back.
No.1795777
>>1795773Engels' quote about all things being put under the dictatorship of reason*
No.1795778
>>1795735
You know the great irony here is that Islamic terrorists are the very children of Enlightenment rationalism. Salafi Jihadism explicitly started as a 18th century reformist movement that seek to abolish cultural customs and 'superstitions' by seeking a universal logos they can impose on the Islamic world. Which to Salafists are their literal interpretation to Islam. Much like how Evangelical Protestantism seeked to impose their literalist reading of the Bible against what they saw as Papist superstition. No wonder Evangelicalism went hand in hand with Colonialism. Same with how radical Islamism is obsessed with building a monolithic Islamicate civilization.
No.1795780
>>1795778Any resources on this?
I will admit that the whole white jihad thing shows the postmodern compatibility radical islam (as a meme ideology) has with disaffected youth
No.1795785
>>1795767To elaborate more on the "Cult of The Small Producer" thing, you ever read Atlas Shrugged? Absolutely
fascinating insight into this kind of lolbert psychosis. I might be its one and only Communist fan.
Anyways, you've got the myth of "Galt's Gulch" as some lolbertarian paradise where everything is run according to Ayn Rand's principals, and what's really funny about it is it almost appears as if Ms. Rand predicted
Minecraft of all things. Like, in this tiny little gulch in the middle of Colorado they not only grow their own food, but they mine copper from the mountains, drill for oil, have some organic produce market, can create advance technologies, and build homes, all while paying rent to the guy who owns the place! They've got all the resources they need, and they treat it all like, well, a game.
I think there was this scene where you had two copper producers staying in the Gulch. And one of them says, "Hoo boy! Since we got that new guy, he's really giving me hell! Well garsh, I got a feelin' he'll run me out of business even! But I'm gonna fight tooth and nail to stop that from happening!" Followed by some remarks where the dude says he'll gladly end up working for his competitor once he's driven out of business. Y'know, like this is just a fun little game of checkers and not his livelihood on the line.
I can almost guarantee some Libertarians think "Well, I should be able to set up an oil derrick on my suburban property and sell the proceeds!" It's batshit.
No.1795789
>>1795780There are endless sources for this. Wikipedia's page on it is decent. If you want a historical examination the most illuminating case is the Chechen case and how Salafism basically tried to destroy local Sufi customs which theh viewed as a mystical deviation and religious innovation.
No.1795792
>>1795789The greatest irony is that while the Left is quickly accelerating towards schizoid acephale currents, the mantle of rationalistic utopianism is being taken by the very enemy of the Enlightenment; religious extremism. We already discussed radical Islam. With Evangelicals Israel and the fulfillment of the End Times metanarrative is their utopian end of history, so to speak.
No.1795799
>>1795785Tbh Ayn Rand fetishized the capitalist class as architects and inventors that cause all proggress and beuty in the world while the modern lolberts fetishize the "masculine" self suficient yeoman of old rather than gatsby
No.1795816
>>1795792Well certainly the secret of rationalism is that it is irrationally founded. Reason is not universal, it is just the cause to critique, where critique stands as a place of discursive uneutrality. This is the notion of the subject peering out, of individualism, which underpins the ethos of liberalism as "manifest destiny". Liberalism begins with the hegemony of the british empire so its no wonder most of the enlightenment thinkers were part of it.
Reason as the impersonal authority (tied to locke's natural rights of man) give reference to a secular appropriation of an intellectual theocracy.
>religious extremismWell modernity effectively begins with the protestant reformation that quickly leads to various holy wars. But i see rationalism as spawning from this same place, of placing an impersonal idea above man, above the world for us to strive for (which is actually what starts capitalism according to max weber, where capital then takes the actual place of God as a product of our sacrifice).
I still see the current forms of extremism as postmodern though, where authenticity is simulated through spiritual window-shopping. People post chad edits of sadam killing kurds or people burning pride flags. Obviously most politics in the west is also larping.
It doesnt have the distinctly *modern* concept to it.
No.1795819
>>1795785You should tell lolberts that Ayn Rand hated them and their party when it was founded. There was a funny debate on campus between friends of the right, where a nazi told a lolbert that Ayn Rand's real name was Alisa Rosenbaum to which the lolbert said
>For you nazis everything is about jews!my own schizo opinion:
<Ayn Rand was a deep cover soviet OGPU agent tasked with corrupting american elites to self-destroy capitalism. If you read her biography it all makes sense>>1795813>This retard deserves a special place in hell for saying that capitalism is gosplan.I hate this guy so much every time I see his face I wanna drill a hole in his smug ass face
No.1795820
>>1795813Discount Nick Land. Technocapital.
No.1795837
>>1795142>Praxeology without empiricism is total nonsense.You can make headway withoit empiricism if you are willing to play ball on their field. You can point out that the NAP is functionally a version of Tit for Tat as a prisoners dilemma strategy but them demonstrate that the strategy becomes less useful than Always Betray the more unequal the two prisoners are.
Then you can quite easily point out that employment is based on
ownership and thus can scale indefinitely, while labor cannot scale in the same way.
No.1795840
>>1795109>you voluntarily chose to work for me!!!!nobody voluntarily chooses to work. they work or they die from being deprived of things like housing and food
No.1795862
>>1795771That's really funny.
>>1795813>>1795819This has got to be a gimmick for Varoufakis to sell more books or get more interviews in the Guardian with big spread photos like he's in Playgirl.
No.1795864
>>1795862this I think he knows the techo feudalism stuff is just branding for normies
No.1795877
>>1795864In academia you get credit for coming up with "new" things however banal
>>1795862Basically. He's been on this grift for like 2 years now. If it makes pseuds sound smart ig…
No.1795932
>>1795109>>not real capitalism>How would I answer this?it wont work but you gotta explain how monopoly naturally consolidates through competition and that this is the logical evolution of capitalism. it might help if you can quote adam smith saying you need a strong state to regulate monopolies to ensure competitive markets. meet them halfway and agree its not "free market capitalism" but that the free market doesn't exist when there is only one supplier, then go on about rent and how its unproductive and the lack of competition means they never have to innovate. next you get to regulatory capture, use their language about the govmint picking winners and losers, but reverse it where the winners bribe politicians to eat the losers and the only way out is a govmint by and for the people like the founders intended. maybe try to get personal by talking about internet service providers hiking rates and declining service or electric companies or something
No.1795966
>>1795932Had many conversations like this. They tend to go something like this:
>Name one instance of a monopoly forming without govt help<bring out this bad boy https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-349-08434-0_5<also thishttps://www.cairn.info/revue-francaise-d-histoire-economique-2015-1-page-28.htm
>NOO THATS NOT REAL CAPITALISM THATS MARXIST DOUBLE TALK, TRUSTS ARE NOT MONOPOLIES, CHECKMATE COMMIE<but they are>NO THEY ARE NOT BECAUSE THERE IS INCENTIVE TO BREAK COLLUSION FREE MARKET ALWAYS WINS AGAINST OLIGOPOLIES<but it doesn't, it literally says the government had to break up the trusts<WHICH FORMED MONOPOLIES THEREFORE I WINTheir dream economy is that of Milei
https://apnews.com/article/argentina-inflation-milei-economy-b742f06a3565fbcea24ff925420adf38They love controlling the narrative. It's crazy to think just how many ancaps are predators in human skin.
<If Stalin killed people like ancaps, he should have killed more. No.1795972
>>1795819Doesn't make as much sense considering she emigrated in the 1930s
No.1796188
>>1795249>They pulled me out the door, [and dragged] me down the stairs on my back>It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me"kek
No.1796371
>>1796113Anon I appreciate many of your infoposts. It is rich, creamy and highly nutritious for you to call anyone a "conspiracy marxist" or adopt the term.
No.1796501
>>1795158Just read the first 30 pages of this. It's a tortuous and confused screed, and expresses same glaring fucking flaw as ancaps.
>Government-free "ownership" of propertyWhat does this even mean? What does it even mean to "own" something? How would you prevent someone from taking it from you?
<Defend it yourselfThen you're calling for a world where the strong can freely dominate the weak
<Hire/convince your neighbors/someone else to do itThen you're still at the whims of other, stronger groups, AND at the whims of whoever is "defending" your property i.e. you're well on your way back to having a state guarantee your property rights for you.
The anarchist critique of society is air-tight and impeccable. Unfortunately, the problems it describes are completely unsolveable. It's immensely depressing.
No.1796837
>>1796832>corporate communismJesus christ this bitch is dumb
No.1796854
>>1796837the alternative to being dumb is accepting that america has been the vanguard of global reactionary politics since 1945. you really expect americans to do that?
No.1797025
>>1796234>you can grow food or hunt, but you need property to do so and the greedy state took it allLmao. Idk about the US but here in leafland federal government land is literally a hunter's dream. You can hunt, camp, fish, and set up tree stands and duck blinds on it for free without permission. I used to live in a rural area (rural as in completely empty wilderness 15 min outside of town) surrounded by government land. Going hunting was as easy as taking a walk down the road. Now I live in an areas surrounded by private farmland and I haven't been hunting for two years because I don't have the time or energy to befriend a random farmer and get permission to hunt on their land. AnCaps confirmed as soy urbanites.
No.1797455
>>1795158>Massive concentrations of wealth, rigid economic hierarchies, and unsustainable modes of production are not the results of the market form,these people didn't read Capital, I can already tell
>Our comrades at the Center for a Stateless SocietyC4SS are glowies
>But the markets [the market anarchists] envision are not like the privilege-riddled “markets” we see around us today.why don't these people just come out as ancaps? at least some market "socialists" realize you at the very least need a state to set ground rules, such as prohibiting private wage labour
these clowns reject "government" while proposing that the regulating force of the market should control society,
which is a form of government!>market anarchists see freed markets, under conditions of free competition, as tending to diffuse wealth and dissolve fortuneshow can someone believe this when all evidence points to the opposite? the fact that wealth thermalizes is a key finding of econophysics
>market anarchists sharply distinguish between the defense of the market form and apologetics for actually-existing distributions of wealth and class divisions, since these distributions and divisions hardly emerged as the result of unfettered markets,THEY LITERALLY FUCKING DID! LOOK AT HOW THE STOCK MARKET WORKED BEFORE THERE WERE ANY LAWS AROUND IT! HOW HISTORICALLY ILLITERATE ARE THESE PEOPLE?
>Proudhon suggesting replacing laws with contractsthis is just ancap shit. who enforces these contracts?
searching the book for the word "planning" gives the usual nonsense
>the Soviet economy was le inefficient (efficient in terms of what? this is never explained)>planning doesn't work (ignore that the USSR used planning for 70 years)chapter 22 appears to be a love letter to the Austrians. chapter 44 too, but to a lesser extent
>>1796501>Then you're calling for a world where the strong can freely dominate the weakno you see this wouldn't happen because everyone would be good anarchists like these guys. it's the same "moral übermensch" nonsense that we see in a lot of anarchist texts
No.1803694
"Neoliberalism isn't real" same energy
>>1795357>those lefty anarchist Greeks are kinda being assholeslol the only good anarchists I've ever seen in my life, shut the fuck up you weak little needle dick bug fucker
>>1795708>kids having after school jibs is child abuseSettler nazi has mysteriously never heard of the "school to prison slave pipeline", doesn't know that schools were explicitly designed as prisons to turn black kids into mindless servants, and to stop gangs of all races of kids from running around causing "trouble" (i.e ruining capitalist processes of extraction)
>Thy think teens having semi skilled jobs in pkace of higher education is wasting youthSir you cannot spell, or even make a coherent argument that is aware of basic history. Stay in school kids, you'll end up as a mindless liberal ideology drone like this NPC!
>>1796813how can neo-feudalism be capitalism if feudalism wasn't capitalism?
This modern trend is about extracting rents as aristocrats, not the process of bourgeois value creation which Marxists view as historically progressive because it actually builds and improves the means of production
No.1803730
>>1803694>Settler nazi has mysteriously never heard of the "school to prison slave pipeline", doesn't know that schools were explicitly designed as prisons to turn black kids into mindless servants, and to stop gangs of all races of kids from running around causing "trouble" (i.e ruining capitalist processes of extraction)The school to prison pipeline is based on compulsory law for schooling.
Irony is, compulsory law makes life difficult for both students and teachers.
Inner city schools have delinquents sexually harass girls and fight boys and threaten teachers/staff.
Or teachers/staff do the same to students.
Its just a huge toxic social club where even if kids do get the education its all for naught.
Kids with developmental disabilites are forcd to lesrn alongside neurotypical kids and it makes them stand out, making at risk for bullying from peers and teachers.
Schools are juvenile prisons to begin with. The only purpose of public schooling is socialisation thats it.
Kids whom are book smart but socially awkward are treated as defects.
It never ceases to amase me how progressives are wilking to fight for the personal dignity of adults but will trample over children's rights.
>Sir you cannot spell, or even make a coherent argument that is aware of basic history. Stay in school kids, you'll end up as a mindless liberal ideology drone like this NPC!Yea stay in school and become a mindless NPC. We live an an era where mot young people spend more time in academia compared to their predecessors and look what happened: social awkwardness, zero technical skills, and reduced autonomy.
No.1803734
>>1795778No womder why Protestantism and Islam seem so similar despite being opposed to each other.
No.1803793
>>1797455>anarchists reject "government" shut up idiot
No.1803989
>>1803793remind me to post a picture of the local anarchists having a sticker which literally says "abolish all governments" on here later
No.1804178
>>1797455You're overthinking it, its entire point is deconverting Ancraps and getting them to question their retarded dogma on what they think capitalism is.
>these people didn't read Capital, I can already tellDuh.
>C4SS are glowiesIf they are, then they're doing a terrible job at spreading anticommunism, since most of their essays critique ancraps and lolberts.
>why don't these people just come out as ancaps?Majority are ancraps going through deconversion therapy. They still haven't let go of market fantasies. But they're beggining to realise that capitalism is causing all their issues.
>these clowns reject "government" while proposing that the regulating force of the market should control society, which is a form of government!They don't think of markets from a Marxist perspective, they see it mostly as commodity exchanges between people.
>how can someone believe this when all evidence points to the opposite? the fact that wealth thermalizes is a key finding of econophysicsAs written they are still infected by radlib shit. They write shit like 'let the free market eat the rich' and it's usually through the lenses of countereconomic action in order to compromise the big players. They don't see the long term issues of such a model.
>HOW HISTORICALLY ILLITERATE ARE THESE PEOPLE?Very.
>this is just ancap shit. who enforces these contracts?https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/1851/general-idea-of-the-revolution-in-the-nineteenth-century/study-4.htmlSO YES! They SUCK. But you're more likely to get an ancrap to read that and then read something else until they are brave enough to engage in communist literature than try to make them read Das Kapital and accept it.
>>1803793>shut up idiotWhile its not that basic, ancraps usually focus on the government / state aspect instead of unjust hierarchies and power dynamics.
No.1804181
>>1804178And another thing to note about these proclaimed left market anarchists, is that a lot of them I've come to realise aren't even hard on Proudhonians, They still cling onto the idea of property through rebranding it as 'personal property' while most proclaimed mutualists use the term possesion through usufruct.
I'm not endorsing this shit. Just showing the way they process information. They haven't got a clue about what dialectics is at that stage yet.
Unique IPs: 44