/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1805457
Unless major countries start sanctioning Israel for violating it, nothing will happen.

>>1805934
o7

Across the Arab world, protests have erupted after evening prayers in support of Gaza's resistance.
In Jordan, the human flood continues for the second day, as protestors besiege the zionist entity and break through the security barriers to reach it. They chant, "Gaza is hungry, O cowardly Arab governments!"
"Let the men of Al-Qassam hear: we don't want peace with them!"
"Let the men of Saraya hear: this is our path until the end!"
In Baghdad, Iraq, protestors say, "Do not bow to the aggressors!" "From Gaza, the decision came: intifada and victory! Baghdad heeded the decision. We swear we will break the siege! And defeat the aggressor army!"
More marches are planned in the occupied West Bank tonight, where resistant youth have begun preparing for confrontations with the IOF by burning tires.

>>1805914
Depend on the bullet and the helmet. And the range. And the angle. Lots of things actually.

>>1805547
>UNSC resolutions

Are UNSC allied Sangheili fleets going to glass Israel?

Hezbollah operations 03/25/24:

03:15: targeting a gathering of “israeli” enemy soldiers on Al-Tayhat Hill with rocket weapons and artillery shells, causing direct hits.
15:00: targeting the headquarters of the new “Liman” battalion with artillery shells, hitting it directly.
15:10: targeting the Bayad-Blida site with artillery shells, hitting it directly.
16:00: targeting the Zebdine site in the occupied Lebanese Shebaa Farms with artillery shells, hitting it directly.
16:30: targeting Al-Malikiyah site was targeted with artillery shells, hitting it directly.
17:45: targeting the Birkat Risha site was targeted with rocket weapons, hitting it directly.
22:45: targeting a building used by “israeli” enemy soldiers in the “Metulla” settlement with appropriate weapons and directly hitting it, as a response to the zionist attacks on the steadfast southern villages and civilian homes.

As protests continue in Amman, Baghdad, and Tulkarem, new marches broke out in Ramallah and Jenin, with others planned for cities across the West Bank, in support of resistance and in condemnation of zionist crimes, especially at Al-Shifa and Nasser hospitals.
In Al-Karak, Jordan, masses pledged allegiance to Mohammed Deif and Gaza.
Marchers from various factions in Ramallah held flags of imprisoned leader Marwan Barghouti, as well as South African flags, and chanted:
"O Qassami, my cousin, I will sacrifice my blood and soul for you."
"O those languishing in the prisoners, tomorrow you will be freed in a deal."
"Salute to the Brigade in our beloved Jenin."
"All of the West Bank supports Hamas!"
"Our revolution is human, sparked by Khader Adnan."
"May Allah have mercy on Al-Shishani's soul. O Wadie, come out and see, here are your men in the open," in honor of the martyred Lions' Den fighters.
One activist said, "Gaza is steadfast, fighting, and victorious. Here are its rockets being launched today from the center of the Gaza Strip and the north. This says that our resistance is fine. But, there are those trying to tamper with the brave popular cradle with starvation and heinous intimidation… Yet, we will remain on this land as soldiers: stationed, resisting, and victorious."

>>1797275

If you think this is a massive L then you actually need to touch grass.

Here’s what happened today:

>The UNSC approved a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire during Ramadan and the release of Israeli captives after the US failed to veto it. The resolution was welcomed globally, except by Israel, which cancelled a delegation visit to Washington, DC.
<Hamas said in negotiations with Israel and others that it would be sticking with its original positions of a ceasefire, return of displaced Palestinians and exchange of prisoners.
>Fighting is still ongoing around the al-Shifa Hospital in northern Gaza, while the al-Amal Hospital in Khan Younis is out of service after an Israeli siege.
<A top UN rapporteur’s report said Israeli actions in Gaza meet the threshold for genocidal acts on several grounds and called for action.
>Israeli Minister Gideon Saar and another ally have resigned from Benjamin Netanyahu’s emergency government, which could put pressure on others to follow.
<UNRWA said more people will die of starvation and other conditions imposed by the Israeli military if humanitarian aid is not significantly increased.

>>1806181
holy shit, big stuff. i really hope that it ends soon, partially so I can take that trip

Another down. :(
I don't even know where the civis are going now.
<Red Crescent: Gaza’s al-Amal Hospital out of service after Israeli siege
The Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) says it has managed to evacuate staff, patients and dead bodies from the besieged al-Amal Hospital in southern Gaza’s Khan Younis.

The organisation said it coordinated with the UN Office for Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to evacuate 27 medical staff, six patients and one patient companion.

The organisation was also able to get two bodies out of the hospital, namely of PRCS volunteer Amir Abu Aisha, killed by the Israeli military, and a civilian who was shot in the head by Israeli soldiers.

“PRCS Al-Amal Hospital, in Khan Yunis, is out of service after the occupation forces forced the hospital staff and the wounded to evacuate it and closed its entrances with earthen barriers.”

Even trump is saying Israel went too far

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/03/25/trump-to-israel-hayom-only-a-fool-would-have-not-acted-like-israel-on-oct-7/

>>1806256
He said a few notable thongs bur Reading this interview really pushed home to me how much trump plays his character for any given audience.

>>1806256
FUCK I want to skin Biden alive and pour lemon juice on his exposed nerves.

>>1804237
>>1804226

was listening to a pod and it turns out Israeli special forces armed and trained the perpetrators of the Guatemala genocide after the US got blocked by congress. they actually referred to it as “Palestinazation”. the technique was to separate men women and children lock the men up and then kill the children in front of the women who they then abuse all in earshot of the men who they then burn in whatever building they are being held. very much like the dirlewanger stuff from come and see movie and also very much like what the US did with strategic hamlets in vietnam. in each of these cases they also used computers and statistics to decide which villages to eradicate, like israel says they are currently doing with AI. lots of similarities with jakarta too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_Civil_War#Israeli_support
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide#Genocide_under_General_Benedicto_Lucas

i keep finding myself returning to the whole thing about former nazi SS training the green berets. western special forces are actual real international nazi death squads. they are multilingual and taught guerrilla techniques as a force multiplier because their goal is to train up local dissidents into some kind of terror police to enforce imperialist ends and this technique is like some kind of calling card that comes up again and again

it makes me wonder who did it before the nazis and japan, where did they get their techniques from and i have a suspicion its related to the pinkertons and/or british

Can somebody compile a quick list of all the evidence of US troops in israel pls ty

interesting article: Kier Starmer as UK DPP unilaterally declared a visit by Israeli officials in 2011 a special diplomatic mission to avoid acting on an arrest warrant issued against Tzipi Livni in 2009. The UK government also changed their Universal Jurisdiction laws to further protect Israeli war criminals. Emails regarding these decisions fully redacted.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/censored-keir-starmers-emails-about-israeli-war-crimes-case/

Kind of puts all the bullshit about Benny Gantz being at risk of arrest into perspective: The Five Eyes spent six months bending over backwards to ARM Israeli war criminals. Where would they get the spine to ARREST them? Israel not filing the paperwork to protect their officials only made the UK fill it out for them. Netanyahu could probably fly to the Netherlands and do a Chippendale act out front of the Hague with a papier mache nuke for a codpiece and the entire ICC would wait patiently for the security council to issue an official veto.

No neolib appeasenik willing to say "rule based global order" instead of "international law" is going to lock up Israeli officials no matter they do. Effort should be put into maintaining consumer pressure to boycott, sanction, and divest from their apartheid loving asses not the UN spectacle or ridiculous legal fictions.

The compromised officials story was a joke too, that list should be exhibit fucking A but they were dumb to write it: what country would actually arrest Israeli officials? Iran? Cuba? South Africa because they would look pretty hypocritical if they didn't? Consider realpolitik for half a second, all you'd get for your trouble is US sanctions and two jets full of CIA pukes in polo shirts coming to fuck your government and country up.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200721-israels-list-of-compromised-officials-suggests-their-guilt-of-war-crimes/

I refuse to believe there's a satisfying legal resolution till I see it. For all the high minded liberal theory and performative hand wringing the law says whatever is expedient for the authorities, be they state or capital, with no exceptions. Kids understand this intuitively when they get kicked out of stores for "wearing backpacks" and not for being teenagers or black. How fucking dumb do we have to be to think the law means anything as adults?

>>1806352
We can probably blame Abrahamic religion. Isiah 13.16 describes those exact crimes. But the origin of extermination warfare and war rape disappears into pre-history. Ancient empires would have figured out how to collate reports to find towns to pillage. Not sure where training the chinlet terror squads comes from, but the Act of Killing shows imperial collaborators are not exactly sophisticated people. There's probably been scum willing to do wetwork and butchery for foreign money for as long as there's been money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Killing

Even if it's temporary, retaking the conflict, if an actual ceasefire is to be observed and the humanitarian needs to be provided for, is going to be really hard. Methinks that is why they dragged their feet to now. And why it's still a win even if the resolution may be noncommittal handwavy stuff.

Either Israel/US have to openly defy it, or, somehow surmount giving it pause AND restarting after two weeks. This is a problem, because to get to this point, for whatever reasons, NATO has pretty much had to concede a bunch of the pro-genocide points , in order to justify not opposing the ceasefire. In about two weeks, they have gone from "Israel does nothing wrong" to crocodile tears. So to retake the Nakba2.0, with renewed support, would be a higher degree of complicity, having acknowledged the crime.

And IMO the plan is to throw Netanyahu's admin under the bus when it comes time to do the next "peace accords" with the Arab states ( to reaffirm the status quo). Not to tie themselves further to the scapegoats by going back in to sponsor what they are currently describing as intentional manmade starvation, to displace the population, as a result of an explicit policy of siege.

So IDK, I'm betting on there being no real pause at all, blaming Palestinians for breaking the ceasefire or some such tropes. With concessions on letting more aid in, if nothing else to save face, conditioned on being handled by Zionist/NATO friendly distributors.

>>1806367
This all boils down to the following question:
>Is the West's complete and full subservience to Israel a result of strategic interest, or over-hypertrophied lobbies/domestic politics?

I used to think it's the former, and I still do, but I'm starting to entertain the latter more these days

>>1806374
Read it closer. It's basically just a UNSC-sponsored version of Israel's negotiating position

>Return all hostages and get a ceasefire for a few weeks

>>1806377
>It's basically just a UNSC-sponsored version of Israel's negotiating position
Yes, but that position is only put forward with the expectation that it will be refused. Not that they would ever have to implement a ceasefire or relax the siege.

>>1806352
>in each of these cases they also used computers and statistics to decide which villages to eradicate
source on this?

>>1806256
>>1806266
>>1806331
threadly reminder that trump's peace plan was dogshit and just kept reiterating the israeli position that they need to be a security state with american guns and enforced apartheid against evil hamas.

the carrot for palestine? a raft of handouts to Jordinian, Saudi, Qatari, Bahrainian, and Emrati billionaires to build special economic zones for tourism and palestinian labor exploitation. I can't believe it fell through.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf

It's probably worth familiarizing yourselves before you hear a torrent of bullshit from the liberals and MAGAtards. I favor trump for president, but only to the extent that he will further bleed the wealth of the US, and further damage the diplomatic superstructure of US hegemony.

>>1805984
wtf? drip? is that wiley coyote?

>>1806352
I wanna hear more

>>1806364
seconding

>>1806376
>Is the West's complete and full subservience to Israel a result of strategic interest, or over-hypertrophied lobbies/domestic politics?
I think the latter wholeheartedly.

>The Americans don't have much at all to gain from Israel.
>Their representatives are all bought out at the start of their careers by AIPAC (I really need to read Mearsheimer BTW).
>US politics and their population are incredibly ignorant of foreign policy let alone how the empire functions.
>The cold war ingrained the reflexive use of UNSC veto, and their disgusting CIA bases and death squads against any nation that stepped out of line.
>Every other nation is either oriented to the US consumer market through the IMF, an ally, too impoverished to exploit, or a "rogue" state.

The world has been in a holding pattern through force of habit and the cruel autonomy of the CIA. I think the idea that there's no rhyme or reason to the arrangement is the optimistic position, because it hints that Israel might make a big enough headache for the real shot callers that the whole charade is called off without any pageantry.

It also might just be that now that Kissinger is dead the curse that protected Israel is lifted.

>>1806377
What about these events makes you believe Israel wants a ceasefire?

>>1797275
You realize that he used to live in a house with a kitchen with a family that ate food together right you fucking moron. Dur he's complaining about the famine rations in a war zone– he didn't choose to live in a war zone.

>>1806390
That and he would outsource all his decision making to his son-in-law Jared Kushner, who is the most evil Zionist scum imaginable. Like legitimately genocidal full steam ahead towards "greater Israel" shit.

>>1806404
>>1806376

>The Americans don't have much at all to gain from Israel.
I feel like I should clarify this point: the American state and the American public has little to gain from Israel. However the structure of Israeli aid packages feeds huge sums of money into resource extraction, tech, and the military industrial complex through some mutual back scratching arrangements. There are also American billionaires that are heavily invested in the energy sector in Israel and Israeli military actions including the current Gaza war tend to capture energy resources that can be used to foster partnerships with western energy, and mining capital, which in turn funds media and "lobbies" the American government.

While these deals are lucrative on an individual basis, substantively they cover nothing that the US couldn't go out and steal, or sign into existence directly without the Israeli state. I think the conspiracy is just an Omerta code that the billionaires and politicians follow to not upset the complex structure of bribes, dodgy laws, and contracts that keep everyone paid.

I know I'm only describing colonial economy in depth, but my point is that geopolitics hardons get tangled up in silly fictions like "national interest". I think we can't afford to approach issues using post-hoc rationalizations invented by nepo-baby liberal "scholarship". If we want to influence our world we need to operate more like the feds and endeavor to understand the networks of influence and finance that facilitate the occupation and genocide.

The Elbit protests and the block the dock actions did a lot, and they did it mostly by highlighting embarrassing business partnerships. More could be done to expose the diamond trade. RedHat is in a curious situation, not sure how they square their partnerships with the IDF and Israeli banks with their outspoken diversity and equity policies.

https://www.redhat.com/en/about/our-culture/diversity-equity-inclusion
https://www.redhat.com/en/success-stories/mamram
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/support-our-israel-associates

>>1806419
Oh mate, the comments about developing waterfront real estate in Gaza was the greasiest shit ever.

>>1806402
>the concentration camp program created with help from Israeli military advisors - they spoke frankly about the Palestinianisation of Guatemala. Further, the Israeli military provided arms and even a computer system which was used to compile death lists comparable to those of IBM and the Holocaust.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/premium-episode-98490492
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/5235196/post/98490492

>Picking up where part one left off, this program begins with an examination of the role of SS veterans in the formation of the Green Berets. Formed initially under the auspices of the CIA, the Green Berets grew under the CIA stewardship of SS Brigadier General Franz Alfred Six, SS Colonel Emil Augsburg (like Six, a veteran of Hitler’s “Final Solution” to the “Jewish Problem”) and Michael Achmeteli, a White Russian and Nazi collaborator who worked closely with the SS and was viewed as an expert on the former Soviet Union. The Green Berets were formed against the background of the guerilla warfare that raged in Eastern Europe and the former U.S.S.R. for years after the formal conclusion of World War II. The program then highlights the deliberate sabotaging of the de-Nazification of Germany after the war. Derailed by political and economic forces sympathetic to fascism, many of which had enthusiastically supported Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW before the war, this failure resulted in the return to power of the same industrialists and financiers who had supported Hitler. Even more importantly, Nazis and Nazi collaborators were put right back in positions of political power in Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgEo98Q81I
https://spitfirelist.com/anti-fascist-archives/rfa-2-looking-back-from-1984/

>More specifically, Argentina, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Colombia not only received weapons but also specialized training by Israeli advisers on counter-insurgency operations, including training of the infamous “death squads” that exterminated Guatemalan villages believed to be strongholds of resistance to military dictatorships adopting a declared ‘scorched earth” policy. Israel had seized West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and its own experience in crushing Palestinian resistance was deployed in distant Central America with full effect, especially so in Guatemala. In Guatemala, between 1954 and 1984, more than 100,000 civilians were killed in an attempt to “pacify” the rural population consisting mainly of Mayan indigenous people that make up about 41% of the country’s population. The program called “Beans and Bullets” destroyed traditional Indian society and culture, resettled the displaced population in “model villages,” and secured the oligarchic patterns of land ownership. Israeli experts wanted to transplant their ideas of the kibbutz style farming by force. The military squads forcibly recruited peasants into an army of armed informers, giving food and weapons to them. Those who refused to join up were declared subversives and killed, often brutally, as mass graves discovered later have shown. That Israel had been deputed to do US dirty work in third world countries becomes clear from the 1981 MoU signed between the two countries which explicitly says that US would allow third world countries to spend part of their arms purchase credit in buying weapons from Israel. After the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the massacres at Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps, Israeli prowess in mass killings was admired by Guatemalan elite which called for “Palestinianisation” of the country’s Mayan Indians.
https://www.newsclick.in/curious-case-guatemala-israel-intimacy

>The Israeli military’s scorched earth campaign against the Palestinians inspired the Guatemalan right-wing military to replicate the tactic against the country’s rebellious indigenous Maya population through a brutal process of their "Palestinianisation" with its forced “integrated nationalism”, according to experts.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/israel-s-role-in-war-crimes-committed-during-the-guatemalan-civil-war-44285

>Integral nationalism sought to be a counter-revolutionary doctrine, providing a national doctrine that could ensure the territorial cohesion and grandeur of the French state. Its worldview was based on several precepts. Firstly, method: the principle of "Politics first!", that is, that the nationalist, political Catholic and monarchist movements must focus their efforts on changing the political and constitutional order, rather than accepting the victory of radical republicanism and displacing their activity into social or cultural pursuits.

>Integral nationalism has sometimes been considered one of the sources of inspiration for Salazar's regime in Portugal and Francisco Franco's in Spain.

>The nationalists who emerged in Galicia following the First World War, much as in the rest of Europe, adopted the form of nationalism known as "Integral nationalism".[18][nb 1] According to this ideology, the nation was held to be of the highest absolute value, more important than social class, regions, the individual, religion, etc. To this end, members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) were urged to "force their way into all areas of national life", such as institutions, societies, villages and families. Politics was seen as a Darwinian struggle between nations for survival, rendering conflict unavoidable and justifying any means that would lead to the victory of one's nation over that of others. In this context, willpower was seen as more important than reason,[19] and warfare was glorified as an expression of national vitality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_nationalism#Influence_in_other_countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Hamlet_Program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_in_Nazi_concentration_camps

wow full circle. getting vague intuitions now about model towns like disneys epcott and that one soap company now called unilever that massacred people in congo and company towns with scrip. didnt expect the french connection but it sounds a lot like facts on the ground.

>>1806352
>it makes me wonder who did it before the nazis and japan, where did they get their techniques from and i have a suspicion its related to the pinkertons and/or british
It's one continuous process of weaponizong barbarism, with each conflict briniging its share of innovations so to speak.
Before the Japan and Nazis, you had Turkey (Armenians), Western Europeans colonial empires…
The US during the civil war also pioneered the targetting of civilian with Sherman bringing his contribution by the systematic ruin of confederate livelyhood.

>>1806401
>>1806434
good links, the references to operation phoenix reminded me of michael aquino, I don't know if he influenced how US death squads are trained but he did help nato train nazi terrorists for operation gladio and most likely ran a child traficking pedo ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0MLtcjV0q0

Could the Zionazis attack Rafah anyway? What would happen?

>>1806646
lots of dead people. Diplomatically speaking, Israel get a slap on the wrist.

>>1806646
It would probably go as well for them as the rest of the Gaza, which is to say poorly

>>1806646
Western politicians, and probably Arab ones too, will look spineless and ineffective. They will respond slightly tougher (so probably just a stern condemnation)

>>1806646
>What would happen?
Israel would get its nose bloodied again, kill a lot of civilians and claim thry destroyed hamas after being pushed out.
They apparently don't even have the soldiers to commit to it.

A report by Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor released on 23 March has documented the Israeli army’s deliberate use of Palestinian civilians as human shields, to protect its forces and military operations inside Al-Shifa Medical Complex.
This comes several days after the Israeli army began its assault on the medical complex on 18 March, resulting in hundreds of deaths, injuries, and arrests.
Additionally, dozens of residential homes surrounding the complex were destroyed and set ablaze after being raided.
TESTIMONIES:
A Palestinian, K.F, said Israeli forces attached cameras to him and three other young men, giving them remote orders to inspect rooms inside Al-Shifa. He was made to do this for several hours before being forced to evacuate the complex with his family.
An elderly man in his sixties, M.N., said that his son was forced to enter sewage areas underneath the hospital, and witnessed others being made to stand in front of Israeli forces and vehicles at the entrances of the complex to fortify and prevent their targeting.
The wife of a nurse at the hospital witnessed her husband being used as a human shield to open doors to sections in Al-Shifa Medical Complex for several hours, before he was told to evacuate the hospital towards the city of Deir al-Balah. Her husband’s fate remains unknown.
Several families near the complex reported that Israeli forces used detained young men to enter homes and force Palestinians to evacuate to central and southern Gaza. A woman from the "Arafat" family reported that the Israeli military sent a detainee in his late thirties, stripped of his clothes except for his underwear, to inform them to evacuate their home within 30 minutes, threatening to bomb it over their heads. Following their evacuation, they witnessed several others in similar conditions.

Over 50 rockets were launched from Lebanon towards northeastern occupied Palestine and the occupied Syrian Golan. A number of explosions are reportedly heard in Safad.

>>1806424
>the American state and the American public has little to gain from Israel
what a load of BS, the public dont profit, but the state state certainly does
Israel is the crucial element to maintain some western and US direct control in the middle east, its positioned as a knife separating the arab land routes, it gives a powerful actor in the region with all the weight that comes with it in international relations, center of trade, information gathering, launchpad for threatening the area etc

>>1806782
>what a load of BS
IKR, but what if, listen. What if, we could have a big libleft moment and *tail* the consequences of the decay of US hegemony about the more repulsive aspects of Israel?

For a moment. A beautiful moment we could claim "left unity" at the same time that we agree fully with the official narrative and enjoy their boosting. Oh my god. Imagine all those fellow leftlibs CRAVING the catharsis and validation, finding an outlet in our idealist denunciation limited to the culture war and the domestic political theater. The fervor, the faith renewed in the power of being a good person and letting others know.

>>1806651
They will be expelled from the United Nations.

>>1803518
Port's Closed