No.1798034
Zizek remarked that you should participate even in things that you know will fail, because if anything the simple fact that it exists will be a good starting point of the movements to come.
No.1798035
>>1798029One thing that's worth clarifying
>'Use is not Under the influence of' The name is in relation to cops making people use drug tests and jailing them, because of substances that have stayed in their system - rather than being actually drugged out of their minds and behind the wheel.
The list of demands go as follows:
REQUESTS
1) Changing the law and replacing "after use" with "under the influence of…" - let the laws be strict, but be strict for the really screwed up, not for random people.
2) The new draft Regulation 1 completely reduces testing for the non-psychoactive metabolite of cannabis (11-COOH-THC), which can remain in the human body for weeks
3) In the case of a positive test with another 5000 check, the driver has the right to request a repeat test, which, if it turns out to be negative for the target positive substance - the driver is released from liability.
4) Preservation of the points in the Ordinance that oblige the Ministry of Internal Affairs officials to describe the objective condition of the drivers before the test and to justify the reasons for conducting it. (Yes, they want to remove them and have the cops test everyone on a blanket basis)
5) A standard form for applying the results of a blood sample to the pre-trial proceedings should be added to the Ordinance. The blood samples are delayed because for each one the laboratory technicians from the VMA spend 36 working hours to write a forensic medical examination. Which the victim then pays to these same employees.
6) With changes in Art. 78a of the Criminal Code, the possibility of replacing criminal convictions with probation should be returned. Probation is a much more efficient model than prison.
Translated using google translate from their Facebook event:
https://www.facebook.com/events/942760050582651/Generally its following the view that prisions don't help people who use drugs.
No.1798037
>>1798029>drug decriminalization / legalization, opposing corporate interestsalready the first half sentence is contradictory
No.1798039
>>1798037It's not both at once though? That's why I seperated them by ,
Was simply listing out the different reasons mass movements protest for.
That goes if you believe that drugs somehow entirely a tool of capitalism. Though that's besides the point of the post.
No.1798045
>>1798037Corporations benefit as much from hard drug laws as they do from capitalizing on the drug market. It is the same thing with immigration; companies benefit from enlarging massive immigrations since it provides them with cheaper labour and thus surplus, but companies also benefit from hard immigration laws since they can intimidate illegal employees away from seeking labour redress with authorities using the threat of deportation. Same thing with green energy, Capitalists benefit both from pro Oil and pro renewables law (sometimes the same set of capitalists invest in both).
It is silly for us to say that policy z or y is pro-corporate; under Capitalist social relations any policy will benefit corporations. Even nationalization.
No.1798046
>>1798039He's saying drug legalization is good for corps I think.
I'd tend to agree; decriminalisation not legalization always.
No.1798058
>>1798046>He's saying drug legalization is good for corps I think.Yes, they're two seperate views. One good short essay on this is Against Legalization :
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/hakim-bey-against-legalizationUltimately people who protest for legalization are benefitting corporate interests. Though they have the same common ideals of the broader anti war on drugs movement. That is to say they want that less people die because of it and because of lack of quality control on them.
No.1798062
>Under a popular front for issues such as drug decriminalization / legalization, opposing corporate interests, opposing bad government policies, antifascist demonstrations and many other single-issue politics - is marching alongside liberals viable?
All of this is liberal reformism, not communism.
No.1798065
>>1798062As per the Bordigist view.
As mentioned however - a lot of people under mass movements don't see reformism and voting as plausible at all and only attend in order to spread propaganda and solidarity among the working class.
No.1798068
>>1798065Sadly most of the working class doesn't have the time nor the energies to attend every impotent liberal rally under the sun.
No.1798070
>>1798065>spread propagandayeah people are going to see a protest and suddenly want to overthrow capitalism lol
>solidaritywhat a stupid and vacuous concept
No.1798082
>>1798070>yeah people are going to see a protest and suddenly want to overthrow capitalism lolMovements can only grow by spreading awareness about themselves.
>solidarity is a stupid and vacuous conceptAnd those are just insults. Not a critique.
No.1798092
>>1798082>capitalism will be overthrown when enough people are convinced by annoying preachy leftoidsthats not how communism works at all
>>1798075>farmer protests are communistoh lmao youre actually retarded
No.1798094
leftoidism makes you believe any strike is worth defending in the name of communism - even painfully petit bourgeois ones like farmers rofl
No.1798097
>>1798092>capitalism will be overthrown when enough people are convinced by annoying preachy leftoidsThat's not what I wrote at all. I wrote that without knowing what communism is for they cannot become communists themselves.
>farmer protests are communist>oh lmao youre actually retardedThat is some next-level secularism. A self proclaimed 'communist' anon who's opposing the working masses just because they aren't communist. Hey, guess what? Most of the World isn't communist. Most workers arent communist either. Does that mean Communism should oppose the workers because they aren't communist?
No.1798105
>>1798075>>1798097<working class>Look inside>All the small farmers, business owners, shopkeepers, self-employed, artisans counted as proletariansMany such cases.
Communism isn't concerned with vague terms like 'the masses'. No wonder the thread about working with liberals is made by a liberal.
All these farmers are parasitic scum, many of whom are rural bourgeois and themselves employ wage-labor in their fields. The sooner they get completely immiserated and their assets razed to the ground, the better for the proletariat. Keep bootlicking them, loser.
No.1798111
>>1798029Most liberals I know think of politics outside of voting as, like, filing complaints to the city about their neighbor's Trump flag for being illegal because an obscure and unenforced city ordinance says you can't have political signs outside of 30 days of an election. Or like having a "big think" conference where you envision the future and prepare by reading books by Tom Friedman.
No.1798117
>>1798105>Communism isn't concerned with vague terms like 'the masses'. No wonder the thread about working with liberals is made by a liberal.You only like the idea of communism. Not what communism seeks to do for the workers. By your secular logic - communist should've opposed the workers exploited during slavery, because they weren't communists. This is not how class consciousness is achieved.
And communism is concerned with the masses. It is not an ideal for a select-few only. It is an ideal for all the workers.
>All these farmers are parasitic scum, many of whom are rural bourgeois and themselves employ wage-labor in their fields. They themselves are the laborers. It wasn't the bosses who went out to protest. It was the farmers themselves.
>The sooner they get completely immiserated and their assets razed to the ground, the better for the proletariat. Keep bootlicking them, loser.This is a very interesting take coming from a proclaimed 'communist' - to oppose both the agricultural and industrial workers.
No.1798118
History is driven by material forces. Liberals may be agents of progressive change, regardless of their ideology. You don't have to have ready any Marx to be motivated by your conditions to push forward the historical dialectic, otherwise no history would have happened before Marx (which would ironically be idealist).
No.1798131
>>1798097>secularismBy the way, meant sectarianism. Although sectarianism does have its share of religious attributes lul.
No.1798147
>>1798118peak engelsian "objective dialectic" brainrot
No.1798176
drugs are poison. we cant advocate for their use if we champion the working class interests. we want healthy proletariat
anyways, marching *ALONGSIDE* liberals is okay. but always make an INDEPENDENT COLUMN. this is extremely important. never engross their ranks and make sure people know that socialists and progressives are not the same nor have the same goals
also bring some pamphlets designed to distribute towards their militants, gotta surpass reformist consciousness
No.1798181
>>1798169yeah man wealthy land owners who employ cheap immigrant laborers from poor countries are the same as a child in the third world being forced to work
No.1798182
>>1798176>drugs are poison.Personally I disagree. Most of the misconceptions about psychoactive substances come from Reagan-era propaganda for the war on drugs. Followed by parroting of Straight Edge culture after the punk movement had become commercialized and subverted.
There are a lot of benefits from weed and shrooms. There are negatives too. That goes for all substances. Too much of anything is harmful - even salt. Capitalist Realism is causing people to be depressive and suicidal. Recreational use of drugs has proven itself a useful tool for not succumbing to the misery of it all. There are plenty of studies of weed and shrooms being used to treat patients before the War on Drugs.
Is it a cope? Absolutely. Drugs are a cope, just as they are a medicine. Its important to advocate for responsibility.
No.1798185
>>1798181>yeah man wealthy land owners who employ cheap immigrant laborers from poor countriesThe farmers who strike are not the landowners. They are those employed to harvest the crops and produce for a wage. It is not an easy job. Equating them to those who passively profit off of them is negating farming altogether as a bourgeouise landlord activity in it of itself. Which is nonsense to say the least.
No.1798462
Another thing worth mentioning about the farmers' protests is that they vary from country to country.
For example the biggest figure in the Polish scene was Rural Solidarity trade union. While the Dutch farmers' demonstrations were more or less a reaction to animal rights protesters and environmental laws.
A common theme being Anti-EU policies figuratively it would attract both rightoid euroskeptics and the anti-neoliberal left. The point though remaining mass-movements against the laws and measures they perceive as unjust - which have been imposed by an undemocratic process in the facade of western parliamentarism.
Personally I don't really care about them. Only used them as an example of a contemporary mass movement with reaches in both holes (pussy and ass) of the realpolitik spectacle.
An eco-catastrophe cannot be prevented by measly squabbles like that. The minimal function they carry out is show distrust with the status quo, which in my perception is their first step to becoming disillusioned with liberalism.
No.1798466
>>1798029While i love this place and the people in it, i think i need to say, almost no one here actually has time or tried to "march" or is actually "organizing
". If they cannot organize for themselves, why they would do it for the "Liberals"?
No.1798468
>>1798466Also i understand is not "For them", MB, but like, we are not organizing in any way
No.1798470
>>1798466Believe me or not I've been to several demonstrations for different reasons. The primary reason I go to demonstrations is to make connections rather than go there for the yelling.
Liberals or not, all kinds of people can be useful.
No.1798471
>>1798470I shall follow your example, them
No.1798485
>>1798480wha, wat is this, i did not understand anything of that image
No.1798489
>>1798487>We should instead form small obscure cults in the mountains and torture each other in struggle sessions to find out who is the least liberal of us.Dengists have an anal prolapse at the thought of that sentence coming true.
No.1798521
>>1798487thanks this movie looks based
No.1798537
>>1798529>There was a decent documentary on the subject. (Video related ofc).
The End:Civ documentary on Crimethinc and Breaking The Spell also talked about how they're trying to pacify people.
No.1798546
>>1798537Samuel Konkin the 3rd (the guy which ancraps stole agorism from) also wrote about the threat of liberatarian parties. Although he had sympathies with austriety, he realised how shit lolberts are.
To quote him:
>Any “Libertarian” Party is immoral, inconsistent, unhistorical (see revisionist accounts of similar parties in the past: the Philosophic Radicals, the Liberty Party, the Free Soilers, and many others), psychologically frustrating and thoroughly counter-productive. Worst of all, such an LP may be the savior of the State.
>Assume, as is the case in 1980, that a majority of vote-eligible citizens (in the U.S. as it happens) are poised not to vote. And as the counter-economy grows and the State’s sanction recedes, the tax-starved monster teeters on desertion of its unpaid enforcers and thus final collapse. The Higher Circle of the State stand to lose their power, privilege and centuries of ill-gotten gain. When suddenly the “L”P springs to the rescue.
>Those who would send the taxman away now pay to keep their voting privilege and their record clean to run for office. Those who would violate laws and evade regulations now maintain the system to do away with it at a later, more expedient time. And those who would dodge or defend against the State’s enforcers “accept the result of a democratic election.”
>Consider the fate of a heroic agorist who, at an earlier time of trust of “fellow libertarians” incautiously had spoken of her activities to be used as example to others, is turned in for her black marketeering by a libertarian who feels “the time is not right for revolution.”
>She is arrested by Libertarians working their way through the system to reform it — as police. She is locked up…by a Libertarian working his way through the system to reform it — as a turnkey. She is tried…by a Libertarian working his way through the system — as a judge. And she is executed…by a Libertarian working his way through the system to reform it — as an executioner. So ends up partyarchy at its logical conclusion. SEK3 was a lolbert himself with wet dreams of private everything - an identity crisis much. Although he does give an interesting framework for activism through Agorism which he decided to dub a part of Left Libertarianism.
He shows the problem of liberalism while still somehow trying to cling onto its rotting zombie corpse and lettings its teeth sink into his fat neck.
No.1798549
>>1798546I feel like he pretty much predicted the situation in Argentina aswell.
If his fat ass wasn't so busy glorifying austriety he could've been the dark Cockshott.
No.1798555
I cannot live without Leninist philosophers shoving their cocks into my eyes. Any sign of decaying understanding of power dynamics that is newer than the French Revolution must be bourgouise pigshit. Marxist Academics - the eternal parasites can only merit so much as to give you brain cancer. The only way is to push a sectarian and unforgiving Leninist beating into the hands of anyone who dares to pick up a Debord book.
Lovely how everyone is suddenly refuted and their books must be burned.
I will be getting a tattoo of the entirety of On Authority on my brain's cortex, without anasthetsia. It will hurt, but I'm sure the price of it will justify the end of becoming an integrated Leninbot.
No.1798568
While we're at it. Why don't we refute everyone post-mortem and question why X philosopher didin't respond to LaRouche's critique.
The fact is that these are as it is - simple jabs. They proclaim to be grand refutations, when they're the terrainian level trying to rediscover the subterrainian onsets of thought.
>>1798567
My hands are trembling from the excitement of Leninist-cock Philosophers.
No.1798584
>>1798582Transparent.
Enjoy.
No.1798598
>>1798596
>Because you heard about it on the internet and got excited.
I got excited how Leninism has to be integrated into every aspect of a person's life. And all the opposition must be smeared in the style of LaRouche.
Where do you think most people learned about this? Do you think there was any coverage about it outside the US? Was I supposed to learn about it from first-hand experiences?
No.1798601
>>1798600
The cult of LaRouche is a direct extension of Lenin and Trotsky's surivival inside liberalism. It mirrors every aspect of reconstructing academia into a tool that can be used against the will of people, that is to say they should want it.
> I'm doing him a favor by mentioning it here
Yes he cannot live without being mentioned. The same with Lenin's ideas. His corpse must be paraded around for everyone to see and learn about the greatness of. Otherwise they cannot be anything besides a nazi. Unless nazis are useful to the cause of combatting liberalism or equated to them. In which case they're welcomed into praxis by the ranks of dissenters.
No.1798602
>>1798601>surivival Oh no, this invalidates all cynicism. Hold on I gotta bring out my persian rug to pray in his name.
No.1798606
>>1798605
Goodnight Mister Hitler.
No.1798609
>>1798606Or Mister Goebbels. Either one is an accurate portrayal of LaRouchites and their Leninist counterparts.
No.1798611
You're supposed to march with the proletarian.
No.1798616
>>1798058>hakim beyAn actual pedophile rapist whose "temporary autonomous zones" were a way of politicizing his desire to rape children with no consequence. I dont disagree with anything youre saying btw but needs to be mentioned whenever this retards name comes up
No.1798617
>American thinks communism is evil because he saw a video essay
Ah yes, LaRoucheites, the people who were protected by the police when they went to assault Leninists and other communists in a group. Want to know how I can tell your parents left you alone to watch Twitch and Youtube?
No.1798619
>>1798616I hate Hakim Bay too. Just found the essay to be salvageable. His essays on technology are also dogshit.
No.1798625
>>1798617>American thinks communism is evil because he saw a video essayThe fire burns from the first international. This is not a matter of evil or bad. This is a matter of dogmas over desires.
>they went to assault Leninists and other communists in a groupInfighting much. Typical for trots though.
No.1798626
>>1798619>he knowingly posted the writings of a pedophileanarchists in the USA are so cool
do you like Robert Evans?
No.1798627
>>1798626>he knowingly posted the writings of a pedophileWhen you study Hitler are you endorsing him by reposting his name and works?
>Robert Evans?The creator of the godfather? Why should I give a shit about him?
No.1798638
>>1798626>>he knowingly posted the writings of a pedophile anarchists in the USA are so coolWdym by that? Wtf are you implying? That anarchists support pedophile? Grown the fuck up
No.1798641
>>1798629> When the black bloc goes after right wingers in the US, that's infighting. Hope this helpsNo point in declaring yourself a mortal enemy.
>The LaRoucheites were not communists. They claimed to adhere to various ideologies like the Nazis.Stemming from Leninism-Trotskyism
>>1798631>I found some of these essays salvageableBy your logic no one should drink water or grow a moustache since Hitler has done both.
>Am I getting this right?Not at all Mister Smear.
>>1798638>Wdym by that? Wtf are you implying? That anarchists support pedophile? Grown the fuck upDenouncing him is apparently support in the eyes of Leninists.
No.1798644
>>1798643
>I'm not reading Mein Kampf because I support Hitler I just appreciate a good read. He's got a nice writing style.
If you don't study Nazism and cannot define it - how are you supposed to combat it? Why do you think there is a 'study fascism' thread on the main board? Is it because they're indoctrinating people to become fascists? Or because they want to learn how to combat fascism?
>Anyways, you probably didn't even know that about Hakim Bey and are just trying to roll with the punches. I mean look at you, you just replied half a dozen times.
When you wrote 6 seperate replies in a pathetic smear attempt.
No.1798648
>>1798646
>That's not why you posted the essay. You posted the essay because you think it is a good essay.
On the topic of drugs.
>Your inability to process this basic turn of events is not a "smear", you are incapable of following logic related to your own actions because of your preoccupation with your self-image.
There is nothing about me. This is all about you trying to discredit all anarchists as some sort of deranged freaks. The same way Bakunin gets discredited because of his racism, while the rest of the essays go ignored.
The Leninist must have a godlike figure to defend, with as little as possible flaws. Anything that can be used against their heroes must be discarded.
Therefore anything anyone has ever written - if they are a bad person it becomes invalid.
It is simply a fallacy by association, but theres no point for you to admit it.
>That's why I enjoy imageboards. It gives people like you the opportunity to let out your freakiest impulses, and you don't even understand you're doing it.
Speak about yourself and the wet dream of all anarchists sharing the same vile qualities you would like to see in them.
No.1798653
>>1798648It must be hard to swallow seeing anarchists denounce other self-proclaimed anarchists. It is something no Leninist or Stalinist is capable of.
Instead they must be forced into submission to cry out about how much they're allegedly mirroring authors and presented with 'better ones'.
No.1798654
>>1798652
>Bakunin's essays have been well-dissected, not ignored.
Literally every single argument about Bakunin on this cursed board.
<BUT HE WAS A RACIST AND HATED JEWS THAT MEANS ALL ANARCHISTS ARE NAZIS
Easy to turn a blind eye to that when you have to argue that there's been worthwhile discussion - suddenly, somehow, there has been.
No.1798659
>>1798657
Nice meme. Too bad you're still using the association fallacy.
>Hitler liked drinking water, therefore if you like drinking water, you're a nazi.
Its sad that you have to derail when cornered about it.
No.1798663
>>1798660
Bakunin was also bad. An anarchist can swear at Bakunin for being an awful person and Leninists won't care. But if they dare criticize Stalin or Lenin then they have to be CIA.
A Leninist cannot in good conscience criticize Lenin. Criticism and self-criticism was only ever a tool to catch renegades from the basis of the thought,
No.1798672
>>1798668
>Why is it as good as it gets?
Because to my observation, no other authors have been as hostile towards religion as he has. It is not simply dismissing the idea of god and gods, it is ridiculing it and wishing it to be destroyed.
>>1798670
>Because you don't read anything.
I have read a lot of essays. Once again, for you to claim I haven't you would need to prove it. Which is impossible because this is just your way of trying to call other people stupid.
>As soon as you saw someone posting something for you to read in this thread you did what psychologists call "splitting" when it comes to studying people with borderline personality disorder.
Wew, you're doing psychonalaysis on annonymous posters online? You must be an expert to diagnose like that. Do you offer tarot card readings aswell?
>For instance a child may have a tantrum when offered broccoli, and accuse the parent of being evil.
Only in this case its even more Leninist dogmas trying to dunk on the majority of authors as being 'refuted' by a single monolith without even individually bothering to distinguish them and address them.
No.1798673
>without even individually bothering to distinguish them and address them.
This is also what anticommunists do when talking about communism. To them Anarcho-Communism and Marxism-Leninism are the exact same thing.
To Leninists its a bit more simple - anyone against Lenin is an anticommunist.
No.1798676
>>1798672>psychonalaysis psychoanalysis
S'cuse me typos
No.1798678
>>1798675
>For you to claim to have read something you will need to actually refer to an idea within it. So far all you have done is discuss what you associate with a text, and grandstand about how you are being persecuted by communists.
Just proves what I wrote here:
>To Leninists its a bit more simple - anyone against Lenin is an anticommunist.
I'm not being persecuted by communists, since to me you aren't communists to begin with.
No.1798679
>>1798670
Honestly this is not going anywhere, you keep doing false acusations, he defends himself, and the cycle repeats. Ima go do some reading, Gn guys, Solidarity forever, Long live the international. I will see this thread tomorow to check if anyone says an interesting analysis
No.1798684
>>1798677
>Which of his ideas is most hostile to religion. How does he ridicule it? How does he wish it will be destroyed?
I mean it takes a second to see
>I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him.
And as to how? He probably punched Church windows or something. The rest of it is up to us to decide how.
No.1798687
>>1798679Fuck off don't ruin my fun.
No.1798704
>>1798701>guys I'm not a redditor I just think that Bakunin is the most important leftist because he's the best at ATHEISMBack to what I wrote earlier.
>>1798663<Bakunin was also bad. An anarchist can swear at Bakunin for being an awful person and Leninists won't care.And you do realise Anti-Theism and Atheism are two different things right? Opposition to religion is not the same as rejecting the concept of god or gods existing at all.
No.1798706
>>1798682>>1798687Wait i actually came back, i was dying of curiosity to see what would happen, i could not resist.
Guys, remember the guy that asked about "What that image meant" in the start of the thread, the one that created all this mess? It was me all allong, the jew among the ranks
>>1798480also i still don't know what that image means No.1798708
>>1798706please don't ban me i am not actually a nazi man
No.1798714
>>1798706Its about the Situationist International & Guy Debord. Its makes Leninists more mad than when they have to talk to an anarchist.
>>1798711Yes to make it seem as though theres a naziflag on my side. Genius.
No.1798718
>>1798714>Its makesI couldin't correct it lol. Had to delete the original only to see your retarded reply. You've got some fast keyboard hands though.
No.1798727
>>1798723
ok man but, wasn't there a way to make anons not be anonimus? Like there is no way? Like, i live in Brasil, you can know that i live here someway somehow right?
No.1798728
oh shit wrong flag, i am the nagi guy wait
>>1798727 No.1798731
Ok there we go>>1798728
No.1798740
Come on answer it - why would I need a naziflag on my side? It only discredits me. So why would I be false flagging pretending that a nazi agrees with what I write?
There is no logic to it. Much like your rants earlier.
No.1798749
>>1798741
>Uygha thinks he is Columbo
You can't answer it lol. You have to derail the thread to shit.
>Uygha you literally said BY YOUR OWN LOGIC you are steaming mad lmao this is insane i can't believe ur real lil uygha
>OMG LITERALLY STEAMING U ARE LITERALLY STEAMING
Im not the one writing in all caps to express anger lol.
No.1798761
can we talk about books? I like books, books are good, and this is the only place in the world i can talk books
No.1798768
>>1798761You couldin't even read the title of the thread, letalone read a book retard.
No.1798778
Why lukacs suck?
No.1798789
Ok guys good night comrades, hope you all have a nice day, also yes, you can befriend liberals, they can be cool with most things, they are quite nice people
No.1798821
>>1798029Op, you are awesome, hope you come back tomorow. Gn
No.1798850
Lmao, i guarantee the moment most blatant rightoids fash ghouls will add "put whatever shit you want that makes your brain short circuit" into their program - all leftism of those dopamine button monkeys will disappear.
No.1798852
woa i did not think bringing up that hakim bey was a pedophile rapist would make this happen. anyway OP, communists should always enter coalitions with clear short term and long term strategic goals in mind, and while maintaining the independence of the organization in question. its the flipside of the issue where communists orgs try to absorb movements by disguising their aims/infiltrating the leadership, but it has the same effect of fucking up clarity and discipline. its fine to enter into coalitions with any number and type of interest groups so long as it does not compromise the independence and integrity of the communist org in question. in the context of the US, that means its fine for a communist gun club to hold joint events with an NRA chapter if the latter is willing. in most cases the latter wont be willing because just short of all NRA chapters are also deeply anticommunist, and most are generally reactionary. if an NRA chapter was somehow willing to do joint events, but the leadership and/or many members were vocally and/or materially supporting reactionary causes, it would endanger the integrity of the communist gun club to work with them. if however a single chapter of the NRA was for the most part genuinely a single issue group, it wouldnt only be fine but absolutely should be done, with transparency and good faith.
the same goes for liberals, who will much more often have orgs and events in which coalitions with liberals are favorable. abortion rights, drug decriminalization, housing reform, etc., are all great examples. but as soon as these compromise the independence and integrity of the communists involved, they need to be avoided. its funny though, in most cases where this happen the communists join up with liberals thinking that theyre infiltrating or evangelizing, but then unsurprisingly once they become invested & friendly its the entryists that get converted to liberalism. "communists do not disguise their aims" isnt an ethical statement, its a pragmatic one
No.1799066
>>1798672>doing psychonalaysis on annonymous posters onlineWell funny story about that
No.1800941
Cat got your tongue?
It's been 5min since your last deranged message.
I'm just sitting here, listening to music, doing hot girl stuff.
No.1800943
Cock in hand
No.1800949
Yep I'm pretty much always drunk
No.1800952
I'm also a single mom, I work two jobs. I enjoy domestic violence and long walks on the beach. Face it, you have no clue.
Now go find a softer target to live out your psychotic abusive fantasies.
No.1808221
Just putting an idea out into the air is a small victory because you're possibly planting a seed in their head. Generally, the liberals are more socially accepted so it's more likely to benefit the far-left by showing up than the liberals because the liberals are just doing what they always do.
As for historical cases of it working, it worked for Mao and the CCP. I don't endorse what China ended up becoming, but the united front strategy objectively worked for him. You need numbers and just being a dogmatic, crust-punk anarchist living in a van won't achieve anything.
No.1808239
Didn't read what happened the thread. But these questions can be kind of abstract: does my far-left sect march with liberals y/n? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you not participate in a strike because politicians are showing up to take photos of themselves for the next election?
No.1808241
>>1808239You can meat cool people and make friends in there that are not completely bigoted, even though they are corrupted by liberal propaganda, at least they have the will to do something in real life
No.1809555
The fuck happened in this thread lol
No.1809557
>>1809555Schizo autist having repeated tantrums. People are just inducing episodes in him for fun. Sad situation.
No.1809560
Good morning guys! Have a nice day!
No.1809564
The psych stuff really hit you like a freight train.
You know, I like to dabble. One would think getting test subjects for psychological experimentation takes effort but no. They are free on the internet.
No.1809571
oh no it really is bingus. I was just guessing based on gossip I half-listened to.
No.1809579
Anyway I always wanted to have a superfan
No.1809591
Imagine being so mad at someone, getting banned from an imageboard, and then come "protest post" gore in all boards that you can for hours, using Tor.
No.1809603
>>1809579Thats cool.
I always wanted a supersaiyan.
No.1809622
>>1808221The difficulty with any big-tent strategy is that you have to corrupt them, instead of letting them corrupt you. It takes a lot of discipline and will to see and implement negotiation without giving away the core values.
See: Communist Party of Japan, as an example of where it went wrong.
No.1810415
>>1809555Replies got purged
No.1810703
Marching with liberals is more than viable, it's a radicalizing opportunity. Get them into situations which expose them to police oppression. Get them to talk with socialists in a crowd,talk with unionists flying flags, and to see fliers for more intense talks and actions.
A protest is a platform, not a strategy in and of itself like a liberal may think. Use it or don't bother.
No.1821334
>>1798029The bulgarian anarchists (in peculiar the Federation of Anarcho-Communists in Bulgaria) have announced on their communiques that they will not be attending the demonstration.
This is a translated version of their message:We are an anarcho-communist group. Our focus is class struggle first, authoritarianism second. The reasons for the protest can only answer to the second point. But we do not consider the demands for reform in the current repressive system to be adequate. If the cause is worth it, we would support a protest that is reformist, if for no other reason than to draw public attention to the problem.
But we cannot support this protest!
Liberals are our class enemy. We consider it inappropriate to legitimize our enemy in the eyes of the people or to present ourselves to him.
Unless the numbers of your groups are significantly larger than ours, it seems to us that we do not have the resources to take over the protest and replace liberal demands and rhetoric with anti-capitalist and anti-system ones.
Taking into account the low chance of a positive change in the situation and the unpreparedness of the participating organizations. Either through negative PR from the mainstream media or the subsequent "untying" of the hands of repressive authorities for official prosecutions.
We consider the event to be high risk with a low degree of importance and unfortunately we will decline your proposal.
We are ready to cooperate on other topics. Especially problems affecting the struggles of working people and large groups of people. Unfortunately, our forces are few and we cannot waste them on petty causes. -FACB (Federation of Anarcho-Communists in Bulgaria)
No.1821345
No
No.1821385
>>1798182>Personally I disagree.its not a matter of personal preferences
>Drugs are a copewe dont want a society of cope. the use and abuse of drugs speaks about something else and is not just a matter of leisure
if anything, leisure under socialism shouldnt consist of drug usage
No.1821394
>>1821385NTA
>its not a matter of personal preferencesCorrect.
>Drugs are a cope>we dont want a society of cope>leisure under socialism shouldnt consist of drug usageWRONG. Drugs are the only way to reach true dialectical enlightenment and class consciousness, anyone not using drugs should be punished by DEATH BY BEATINGS.
Do not forget, Lenin was a mushroom.
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