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>>1819643

The US dangles Yemen bait, but Ansarallah doesn’t bite

In a special briefing on 3 April – nearly six months after Yemen launched its far-reaching naval operations to debilitate Israel’s ability to conduct war on Gaza – US Special Envoy for Yemen Timothy Lenderking touted the importance of seeking diplomatic solutions in Yemen instead of the military ones his government has been loudly advocating for months.

Lenderking’s stance contrasted sharply with Washington’s announcement in December of a multinational coalition against Yemen’s Ansarallah-led forces, aimed at safeguarding international shipping in the Red Sea and effectively protecting Israeli-linked trade from Yemen’s sweeping naval blockade.

But as tensions heighten and regional allies have hesitated to join the US–UK coalition in fear of direct Yemeni retaliatory strikes, the US and its allies have quietly sought to entice Sanaa into negotiations through offers conveyed by Omani and other international mediators who maintain ties with Yemen’s de facto government in Sanaa.

Lenderking’s position may, in fact, reflect an astounding set of private US promises made via intermediaries to Ansarallah behind closed doors – pledges that essentially tick every box on the resistance movement’s wish list.

Informed Yemeni sources reveal to The Cradle that the US offered Sanaa – in exchange for its neutrality in the ongoing Gaza war – “an acknowledgment of its legitimacy.”

This would involve severely reducing the role of the Saudi-backed Presidential Council led by Rashid al-Alimi and accelerating the signing of a roadmap with Riyadh and Abu Dhabi to end the aggression against Yemen.

The sources further reveal that the Americans pledged to immediately release withheld Yemeni public sector salaries from the National Saudi Bank, lift the country’s siege entirely, reopen Sanaa Airport, ease restrictions on the port of Hodeidah, and facilitate a comprehensive prisoner exchange agreement with all involved parties.

In terms of reconstruction, the sources say:

>[Washington] pledged to repair the damages, remove foreign forces from all occupied Yemeni lands and islands, and remove Ansarallah from the State Department’s ‘terrorism list’ – as soon as they stop their attacks in support of Gaza.

Despite these tempting offers, which have been the subject of negotiations between Sanaa and Riyadh for over two years, the Yemenis remained steadfast. Ansarallah leader Abdel Malik al-Houthi’s consistent position, as reiterated in his speeches, has been to continue operations as long as Israeli aggression against Gaza persists.

From the outset, marked by Israel’s declaration of a state of war following the 7 October Al-Aqsa Flood operation, Sanaa threw its weight behind the Palestinian resistance, launching comprehensive drone and ballistic missile attacks against the southern Israeli-occupied port city of Umm al-Rashrash, known as Eilat.

In response to the Yemeni salvos and interception attempts by US warships, Washington initiated a campaign of threats against Sanaa, which in turn demanded an immediate cessation of aggression against Gaza as a precondition for halting its military operations. Their exact words to the Americans were: “We are not within the circle of those you dictate to.”

Matters only intensified as Ansarallah began deploying previously unused naval strategies – not even utilized against Yemen’s aggressors, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, in nine years of battles – with al-Houthi vowing to obstruct Israeli ships in the Red Sea.

This strategy was actualized days later on 19 November, when Yemeni naval commandos stormed an Israeli-linked vessel, the Galaxy Leader, and its crew, redirecting the ship to Yemeni shores.

This daring naval action prompted the US to pursue dual strategies: the first, involving intimidation and preparation for a naval coalition to support Israel, and the second, encouraging diplomatic engagements through Arab and international mediators to halt Sanaa’s impactful naval operations.

Sanaa’s leadership not only dismissed these overtures but expanded the naval blockade to include non-Israeli vessels en route to Israeli ports and extended their theater of operations as far as the Indian Ocean – to cut off Israel’s “alternative long route” shipments.

Yemen’s firm refusal to succumb to either enticement or intimidation led the US and the UK to initiate aggressive military operations against the war-torn Persian Gulf state three months ago, aiming to neutralize the Yemeni threat and halt maritime attacks in support of Gaza under the guise of protecting maritime navigation freedom.

As a countermeasure, Sanaa escalated its military response by expanding operations to target not only US and British ships but also introducing advanced weaponry into its arsenal.

This included the sinking of the British cargo ship Rubymar, attacking other vessels, and broadening the theater of operations to the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean – a strategic move to ramp up pressure on those executing the brutal war on Gaza.

In light of the current situation, where the US has acknowledged the futility of its military strategy and is clamoring to devise a diplomatic solution, Sanaa has clearly demonstrated its relevance to any and all West Asian geopolitical calculations.

Its stunning achievements of the past six months include Sanaa’s ability to disrupt the Israeli economy by cutting off or lengthening trade routes for Israel’s essential imports. This can be seen most notably in Eilat, where the operational disruption of Israel’s southernmost port has led to significant job cuts by the port’s operating company and paralyzed shipping entirely.

Ansarallah has also thwarted retaliatory measures by the west’s most celebrated naval forces, made a mockery of their ramshackle “coalition,” and created complex challenges for US hegemonic ambitions in the Persian Gulf, both presently and in the long term.

Moreover, Yemen has showcased remarkable political and military maneuverability, demonstrating that a single resolved Arab state can provide the Palestinian resistance with a potent negotiating tool.

Importantly, through its military operations in the region’s waterways, Sanaa has solidified its position within the Axis of Resistance, transforming into one of the most effective forces in the Axis’ Unity of Fronts strategy. All, while drawing British and American naval assets into vulnerable – and unwinnable – positions and successfully hindering Israel’s shipping connections with the world.

According to al-Houthi’s most recent count, Yemen’s numerous military operations have launched over 520 missiles and drones to target naval assets and areas in southern Israel. Ninety vessels have been targeted to date, with 34 operations conducted only between 4–5 March using 125 ballistic and winged missiles and drones.

In contrast, the US and UK have launched nearly 500 raids since their ill-conceived naval coalition began ops, resulting in the martyrdom of nearly forty Yemenis.

Six months into the war, Yemen continues to demonstrate its strategic capabilities on land, in regional waterways, and even in the world’s oceans. Yemeni officials hint at further military “surprises” still to come, which they may deploy depending on Israeli actions in Gaza and the broader region, as well as the actions of its US enabler, which Sanaa views as the most destructive and destabilizing force for West Asia’s security and stability.

Qassam Brigades surprises military analysts
Omar Ashour, a security and military studies professor at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies, has spoken to Al Jazeera about how the performance of Hamas’s armed wing, the Qassam Brigades, over the past seven months has surprised many military analysts.
Here is a summary of his main points:
> The Qassam Brigades was completely outnumbered and outgunned in all domains – sea, air and land – as well as electronic and cyberwarfare.
< It created its own environment to be able to fight by constructing multilevel underground tunnels that doubled or tripled the size of Gaza.
> The tunnel network provided two of the three elements needed for combat effectiveness: protection from artillery and air strikes and mobility because the ground lines of communication are still connected.
< Many Hamas fighters remain, and Israel has killed only one of its three top commanders.
> If Israel wants to achieve its aim of destroying Hamas, the fight will take a lot longer than the Israeli military expected, and it may not even be possible.
—

Demonstrators in Tel Aviv call for immediate prisoner swap deal with Hamas
There are currently large protests taking place in Tel Aviv with people calling for a prisoner exchange agreement with Hamas.
In videos posted on social media that were verified by Al Jazeera, demonstrators carried banners plastered with pictures of Israeli captives held in the Gaza Strip along with the words “Agree now” as they called on the Israeli government to work harder to come to an agreement in the long stalled negotiations.
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Holocaust survivors in Israel get German payout to cope with ‘frightening war situation’: Berlin
Germany says it is providing 25 million euros ($27m) for Holocaust survivors in Israel to help them cope with the impact of Hamas’s October 7 attacks on southern Israel and the subsequent war on Gaza.
“Many Holocaust survivors were hit particularly hard by the Hamas attacks,” a German Finance Ministry spokeswoman said, pointing to the loss of homes or support systems in the form of care.
The additional funds were aimed at helping them “in this frightening war situation”, she said.
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Quds Brigades claim sniping Israeli soldier near Gaza City
The armed wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Quds Brigades, has claimed to have killed an Israeli soldier in an area east of Gaza City.
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==Israeli military attack on Nuseirat refugee camp indicative of new strategy=
We’ve had a statement from the Israeli military where they say they began a precise intelligence-based operation to eliminate “terrorist” operators and strike “terrorist” infrastructure in central Gaza.

This was undertaken by the Nahal Brigade, supported by the Israeli Air Force from the air and also by the Israeli Navy gunboats off the coast, hitting targets on the coastline of central Gaza.

As far as we understand, this is the first ground operation that the Israeli army has carried out on the Nuseirat refugee camp since the beginning of the ground offensive six months ago.

It comes just days after the large pullout from the Khan Younis area, leaving just the Nahal Brigade in that central part of Gaza.

What we were told when the Israeli military pulled out was that this brigade would basically be left there to police the north-south divide of Gaza and be able to do these targeted raids.

So, while we’re waiting for the green lights to be given to the Rafah operation, I think today’s operation is what we’re going to see more of from the Israeli military

many american s may have to die before palestine is free. USA is biggest enemy of palestin.

Is there a group of people more delusional than "liberal" Zionists?
>Respects international law.
<Supports Israel's actions in Gaza.

>Free speech
<Unless it's anti-Zionist, then it's hate speech and should be censored

>Respect minorities
<unless those minorities are Palestinians or Muslims

>>1819948
Most everyone claims to not be racist. Only like the most hardcore 4chinlets really openly present themselves as racists. Even someone like david duke would probably say he respects blacks but he thinks they should live in their own seperate society.

>>1819948
they're the same people who said black lives matter ,then complained after oct 7.
why aren';t the blacks on our side after all we did for them!

>>1820010
They are going to make it to the 7 day badge. They can at least stop shooting western citizen aid workers I know it. For at least 1 week c'mon man - Biden

lmao owned.
‘I do not want to be a partner in the starvation of two and a half million people’: Israeli relative of captive
Ella Metzger, the daughter-in-law of Yoram Metzger, who has been in Hamas captivity in Gaza, has told the Israeli parliament that she does not want to be a partner in the starvation of 2.5 million Palestinians in Gaza.

“I did not raise Nazis in my house, and I personally am not a Nazi,” she said, adding that the state leadership must be removed “to find a solution and bring in the wise and sensible”.

any updates on the red cows? i want to see Zios doing a little canaan larp here a little chipout there

>>1820031
uygha the ultranationalist settlers are having conferences that call for the blood of the Palestinians.

You're demanding a government of the wise and sensible in a state that is filled to the brim with people who believe shit like this

>>1820066
Hamas should steal the red heifers, it would be the funniest thing ever.

>>1820031
Damn how many death threats did she got from her fellow countrymen after that?

Total Zionist-Islamist death

>>1820114
wtf is a zionist-islamist?

>>1820122
I think ISIS

>>1820145
ISIS believes jews should have an ethnostate in palestine? wut

>>1820147
Both Zionism and Islamism are western constructs, it's how the west views Judaism and Islam. In this way they are allies.

>>1820152
what! how does that make them allies? communism and fascism are both western konstrukts. does that make them allies?

>>1820158
they are allies in the same way that islamists and nazis are allies, or nazis and zionists. the one supports the other

>>1820158
I mean they're subversions of Islam and Judaism.

>>1820159
wtf have nazis got do with this? nazis and islamists are allies? wtf are u drunk?

>>1820162
they aren't allies, but they their actions support one another. when islamists commit acts of terror in western countries, nazis do a little terror on mosques. this begets islamist responses in kind. and so on. this self-reinforcing dynamic is common in fascism. see also bibi supporting hamas

>>1820168
so what your saying is that islamists main obsession is to do teh terror on western countries? then this makes the nazis stronger somehow so they are both allies? like most islamist parties are just like religious conservative socdems who get the hammer every few years when they win too many seats to make the diktators, sheikhs, and americans uncomfy. even the jihadists rarely blow up a bunch of civilians in the west anymore. what do muslim socdems got to do with nazism?

>bibi supporting hamas
wut

>>1820122
Reactionaries (Israel, IRGC, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc

>>1820170
>so what your saying is that islamists main obsession is to do teh terror on western countries? then this makes the nazis stronger somehow so they are both allies? like most islamist parties are just like religious conservative socdems who get the hammer every few years when they win too many seats to make the diktators, sheikhs, and americans uncomfy. even the jihadists rarely blow up a bunch of civilians in the west anymore. what do muslim socdems got to do with nazism?
that's not what I'm saying at all. what I'm saying is that fascism begets fascism
>wut
how new are you? it's well documented that israel has supported hamas over fatah. israel doesn't want a more reasonable opponent, they want hamas

>>1820177
you need to check into a hospital if you think the IRGC are zionist-islamists. islamo-zionists who will fight to keep a jewish state on the land by attacking israel so hard EU and amerika will keep bankrolling it. sure thing buddy.

>>1820179
Stop claiming Hamas and the Palestinian resistance struggle from your cuckshed in Tehran.

>>1820178
so islamists are fascists? okay mr. bush. look at the brotherhood man. they are literally christian social democrats but muslim. how is that fascist? and if fascism begets fascism then where did fascism come from? it just autospawned one day and theyve been reinforcing each other ever since in some Jonesian hegelian dialectic?

>t's well documented that israel has supported hamas over fatah
well documented if you mean just a bunch of news articles by journalists. okay. tariq baconi is right. he says israel prefers hamas because they can stall negotiations that way. so hamas reinforces israel unintentionally and israel allows hamas to exist and cant eradicate it because it benefits from the stalemate. so you get the pacification of hamas and resistance. but the stuff about israel giving money to hamas has never been proven. baconi talks about it in his book.

so maybe your right about these two things reinforcing each other but only when it comes to hamas. you said islamism and nazism/zionism are a case of fascism begets fascism. but doesnt make sense if you see islamism as more than just hamas and 90% of islamists are conservative libs and socdems not fascists.


>>1820184
what this gotta do with iran? only anon who mention eyeran was you. you literally telling me IRGC are zionists. think about that for a minute. does that make any sense? nope! you need to stop taking the crazy pills anon-kun

>>1820187
Islamists are a reactionary force that needs to be crushed. I wouldn't have to bring up any Islamist shithole if it weren't for your opportunist dick riding of these anti-worker movements, especially those with a history of collaborating with Zionists (all of them).

Makes you think.

>>1820187
>they are literally christian social democrats but muslim
behead christcucks

>>1820194
>you dont think Iran is a zionist country? FUCK U ANTI WORKER OPPORTUNIST REACTIONIST INFANTILIST ANARCHIST REVISIONIST YEHUDIST BAL HAMMON WORSHIPPER
okay. take your medicines now. dr kamard potemkin will see now. here *throws thorazine pills at anons face*

>>1820198
christcucks arent fascists. also cornel west is hard to decap. his beard keeps getting in teh way and he wont stfu about jazz.

>mention a theocratic shithole that beheads brown leftists and backs reactionaries
>western "leftists" chimp out
Poetry

>>1820075
The funny part is they don't even have to steal them. They could just give them a slight visible injury that "taints" the quality, and then pissrahell would have to go through all the rigmarole of finding the perfect virgin red heifers again.

>>1820205
who hurt you? why do you gotta virtue signal your hate for islamists and promote your islamists are all zionists conspiracy? im starting to think your JIDF op. timing is perfect for that.

>>1820205
no you see Iran is part of the based axis of resistance so therefore we must support them. it's impossible to not take a side on the theocratic shithole vs theocratic shithole question

I can't fucking wait until MBS becomes a full-on Chinaboo so we can start critikkkally supporting Saudi Arabia in its jihad against kuffar worker movements in the region

>>1820208
iran isnt a shithole anon! and israel isnt even a theocracy. why do you dumb uyghas gotta make everything about religion? "materialists"

we all know geopolitics is reducible to forces like "islamism" or "zionism" and countries like eyeran or china and these forces and countries are always either good or irredeemably evil anti-wroker etc. wtf kind of naive idealist ANALysis is this? u guys need to do moar reading and go outside lawl

>>1820210
>MBS
Excuse me, it's "Ya Boi".

>>1820207
>im starting to think your JIDF op
Refer to >>1820197 islamistbro
>>1820208
>theocratic shithole vs theocratic shithole question
>vs
I wish they were fighting each other in the first place. It's just IRGC cucks taking credit for the Palestinian resistance and virtue signaling.
>>1820217
True, we should give every capitalist shithole a chance to redeem itself before condemning its cleansing of workers and minorities.

>>1820223
That fucking image lmao

>>1820223
ISIS is a Western glow-op, we've known this for literal years, newfaggot.

How do I filter tankietards? They all lack reading comprehension and add no value to the discussion

>>1820231
You can filter by flag in the options. I should add your flag.

>>1819915
>Lenderking’s position may, in fact, reflect an astounding set of private US promises made via intermediaries to Ansarallah behind closed doors – pledges that essentially tick every box on the resistance movement’s wish list.
>Informed Yemeni sources reveal to The Cradle that the US offered Sanaa – in exchange for its neutrality in the ongoing Gaza war – “an acknowledgment of its legitimacy.”
>This would involve severely reducing the role of the Saudi-backed Presidential Council led by Rashid al-Alimi and accelerating the signing of a roadmap with Riyadh and Abu Dhabi to end the aggression against Yemen.
>The sources further reveal that the Americans pledged to immediately release withheld Yemeni public sector salaries from the National Saudi Bank, lift the country’s siege entirely, reopen Sanaa Airport, ease restrictions on the port of Hodeidah, and facilitate a comprehensive prisoner exchange agreement with all involved parties.
>In terms of reconstruction, the sources say:
>[Washington] pledged to repair the damages, remove foreign forces from all occupied Yemeni lands and islands, and remove Ansarallah from the State Department’s ‘terrorism list’ – as soon as they stop their attacks in support of Gaza.
pretty impressive they didnt sign. Now those are some fucking serious gains, to refuse them show an outstanding ideological commitment

Netanyahu leading 'Israel' to ultimate defeat: Israeli media

Israeli media reported the "resounding" failure of the Israeli government led by Benjamin Netanyahu since October 7, in terms of its announced objective of eliminating Hamas and retrieving its captives from Gaza.

The Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth revealed that even the assassination of the sons and grandchildren of Ismail Haniyeh, the head of Hamas' Political Bureau, on April 10 in al-Shati refugee camp, will not change the overall picture, emphasizing that more six than months have passed since October 7 and "Israel's" failure is only amplifying.

The Israeli website added that this time, it is not possible to pin this on the IOF or the Shin Bet, considering that military achievements on the ground cannot be translated into strategic political achievements, which is deemed an essential point due to political considerations originally aimed at preserving the "integrity of the Israeli government" more than the "state of Israel."

It added that the Israeli ground invasion of Gaza did not accomplish anything other than the mass destruction of the Strip, and, from this latter point, the perpetual and systematic failure of the Israeli government starts.

Hamas is still present in every area the Israeli occupation forces withdraw from, and they are even "supervising aid distribution processes, ensuring prices stay the same, and pursuing all suspected traitors accused of collaborating with "Israel", and, in some cases, even executing them, Yedioth Ahronoth said.

The Israeli website said that the primary goal of overthrowing Hamas was not achieved in the first place as the Netanyahu-led Israeli government has refused to discuss any realistic alternative to administer Gaza triggered by fear of Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich.

It added that part of this failure is not reaching a captives' exchange deal, highlighting that "maybe it was possible to reach this deal sooner, but Hamas is adamant about refusing to make concessions, which can also be partially blamed on the political-diplomatic failure of the Israeli government.

Netanyahu has succeeded in bickering with the American administration, triggering a strategic crisis with the occupation's biggest ally, Yedioth Ahronoth said, stressing that Hamas is well aware of the fact that continuing the war without reaching any agreement will only lead to more conflict between Washington and "Israel", claiming that this is why Hamas is not only not in a rush to reach a deal but it is also further letting "Israel" writhe in front of the American administration.

Even among American Jews and friends of "Israel", the occupation has failed, which is also why Netanyahu should immediately resign and leave a window open for restoring "Israel's" standing with the US, especially among Jews, the Israeli website said.

It emphasized that even among Jews who support "Israel", there is a growing understanding that Netanyahu is leading "Israel" to absolute defeat and not victory, and this defeat will ultimately lead to imposing a ceasefire on "Israel" without overthrowing Hamas and without releasing the captives, allowing Hamas to win, it added.

'Israel' outraged at Ireland over plan to recognize Palestinian state

The Israeli Foreign Ministry denounced today Ireland's new Prime Minister Simon Harris for a number of issues, including not mentioning the Israeli captives during a speech to the Irish parliament.

In a statement, the Ministry said that Harris, who was sworn in on April 9, forgot to "mention the 133 Israeli hostages who have been rotting in Hamas tunnels for the past six months."

It expressed fury at Ireland for being anti-genocide and said that it was also "planning to award additional prizes to terrorism" by backing South Africa, which it described as "the legal arm of the Hamas terrorist organization."

It also went ballistic over "the possible recognition of a Palestinian state in the future."

In further attempts to play the victim card, the occupation's Ministry added, "After the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust… there are those in Ireland who persist on being on the wrong side of history."

Ireland officially appointed Simon Harris as the country's new Prime Minister on April 9 following the sudden resignation of former Prime Minister Leo Varadkar.

Harris was voted in an uncontested election by the center-right Fine Gael party, a third of the three-party governing coalition. He said in a press conference with his party members that he intends to revitalize the party itself and several core sectors such as farming, business, and law and order.

Addressing the public, he opted to directly condemn Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's genocide in Gaza, saying Ireland is "repulsed" by his actions, and called for an immediate ceasefire.

Over 100 female soldiers refuse conscription with IOF: Israeli media

Israeli TV7 revealed that tens of female Israeli soldiers refused to join the Israeli occupation forces for observation training with the "border control observation unit" at the military base near the border between Gaza and the '48 occupied territories.

In further detail, the news channel reported that out of 346 soldiers, almost half initially refused to be taken to the training base. The Israeli military claimed earlier on Thursday that the number stood at 116 conscripts, totaling around 30% of all drafted female soldiers.

Consequently, the IOF will be transporting them to the detention facility in the "Tel Hashomer" base or assigning them to different positions and tasks.

This marks the third round of drafting since October 7, which sees extensive numbers of refusals to serve, according to TV7.

The unit's soldiers monitor surveillance cameras along the border between Gaza and the '48 occupied territories and send forces to locations of potential incidents taking place.

The unit has multiple command centers in different military sites along the border, and the vast majority of those serving in the unit are female soldiers.

Ynet reported earlier this year that Israeli women were evading conscription under claims of health and psychological problems or conditions.

Interestingly, Ynet said several of the female conscripts who refused service were taken into "custody or incarcerated."

One of the detained female soldiers described the ongoing events as "shame and disgrace." The soldier in question attempted to exempt herself from service by applying paperwork claiming that she suffers from several mental illnesses, including "anxiety" and "attention disorder".

The conscript told her family, "Since October 7, I have not been able to function at all. Unfortunately, the army has not bothered to look at my documents for the past month and currently, they are not listening to me at all and are not willing to let me meet a military officer and are simply throwing me in jail."

Israeli military authorities claim that such incidents fall under "routine refusal percentages," with a staggering 20% of female "Border Control" soldiers refusing to be transferred to observation outposts.

However, the Israeli news website said the IOF now consider the need for female observers a "critical emergency". The Israeli military command has decided for the "first time" that the position would be staffed by members of the Israeli military's reserve force and would not be constricted to regular staff.

What are Hamas’ reservations on the mediators' ceasefire proposal?

Exclusive sources within the Palestinian Resistance revealed to Al Mayadeen on April 10 detailed points of the mediators' proposal presented to the Hamas Movement, clarifying the movement's position on it as well.

Hamas objected to the issue of the gradual return of the displaced, as the first phase entails the gradual return of displaced civilians to the northern Gaza Strip, with no specified numbers mentioned, while acknowledging that the previous proposal entailed the return of 2,000 displaced individuals per day.

The proposal also suggests that Israeli forces relocate themselves from "densely populated areas" to locations designated by "Israel" on a map. But Hamas rejected this proposal, deeming the term "outside densely populated areas" as vague, which would grant "Israel" the authority to control these areas and establish a "buffer zone".

Hamas rejected the part stipulating "Israel's" approval of opening al-Rashid and Salah al-Din Streets, with Israeli forces stationed 500 meters away from them, and instead demanded a withdrawal to Salah al-Din Street and a withdrawal from al-Rashid Street. They proposed that Israeli forces be stationed at the "Netzarim" junction as part of the first stage. However, they emphasized that at the end of this stage, all forces must withdraw outside the border.

Regarding the Israeli captives, according to the sources, the first issue is that "Israel" demanded the release of 40 captives. But if there are not enough children, women, and elderly individuals among them, then it insists on the release of male captives to reach the demanded number of captives; i.e. 40. Hamas rejected this condition.

The second is that the proposal includes the right of “Israel” to deport whoever it wishes from among life-sentenced prisoners, which Hamas also rejected.

The sources revealed to Al Mayadeen that the agreement between the two sides includes "the release of all Israeli captives and a return to sustainable calm." However, Hamas considered the term "sustainable calm" to be unclear.

They also emphasized that the second stage did not include any information regarding a ceasefire or a complete withdrawal of the Israeli occupation forces and did not specify the number of Palestinian detainees to be released.

>>1820238
although theres also the fact you need to trust the US on actually delivering and not suddenly changing its mind, so maybe they simply know better

>>1820234
Why would you add his flag, when he's clearly a glowie? They have long moved on from guilt-tripping us for supporting *enemy of US* to condemning *enemy of US* for not being radical enough. Revolutionary zeal spiraling… certainly a strategy.

>>1820223
>"hey anon why are you virtue signalling?"
>the IRGC are the true virtue signallers
>"hey anon why are you fapping to kinomoto sakura?"
>tis the zionist islamists who are the true anti-worker loli fappers
>"anon anon why do you like leftypol so much?"
sir your internet use is not healthy

your position is basically
>x group of people is le bad because they arent the same ideology as me
now u will complain about le tankies u are the tankie my fren

>we should give every capitalist shithole a chance to redeem itself before condemning its cleansing of workers and minorities.
uygha capitalism is a global system a la wallerstein not something particular to certain countries which makes them bad and ebil i also know of no country that cleanses workers. like how the capitalists gonna run their businesses? unless you mean clean them but most workas got bad hygiene anyways lole

>islamism is a reactionary force
uhh okay i guess that sounds kinda cool on a poster or something but what does it mean. are we talking thermodynamics here? islamism is just a made up word for different muslim groups that are all vaguely religious. theres no islamism. no islamist manifesto or islamist 1st international pulling the strings everywhere. its just a label bush used to justify the GWoT and go after everyone who shit talked him in the 90s. there is no islamism uygha. doesnt exist. state dept. fiction.

>>1820239
I wonder how long Netanyahu will survive for now that discussions with the US have soured. There must be some massive internal conflict that we aren't seeing that involves State-side support shifting into Biden's favour, running up against the regime.

The situation risks spiralling if it falls to either side.

>>1820244
>sophistry and no substance
I would've said that I'm glad you wasted your time on this shitpost but then I remembered you have nothing else to do in life.

>>1820238
Makes sense to me. I wouldn't trust any promise the usg gave me.

>>1820239
>Over 100 female soldiers refuse conscription
sure these broads arent orthodox jews? could just be a sign of moral waning or not wanting to go to teh frontline. many such cases in war.

>>1820249
i dont think you know what that big word means anone go on point out my lack of an argument. where is it? if anyone made a bunch of random ass vague statements its you! go ahead prove your islamist-zionist thesis. give me the proof there exists such a thing as islamist-zionism or zionist-islamism. go ahead. you got zero proofs.

>>1820245
The government might collapse, since Shas threatened exodus over conscription of Haredim, but the Attorney General said there is “no legal basis” for continuing to exempt them, and now they're protesting.

>Supreme Court to hear case on Haredi conscription to the IDF on June 2

So the government might collapse.

>>1819917
>today’s operation is what we’re going to see more of from the Israeli military
using naval artillery and heavy bombing on refugee camps, and then sending in an einsatzgruppen to finish the job ?

>>1820259
>naval artillery
Now there's a blast from the past.

Israel has only 7 corvettes, with some 250kg surface-to-air missiles.

>>1820147
they were happy enough to get healed and resupplied by the zionists there

>>1820265
I mean I read "supported by gunboat" I assume its naval arty

Hezbollah operations 04/11/2024:

17:00: targeting the Al-Samaqa site in the occupied Lebanese Kfar Shuba hills with rocket weapons, achieving a direct hit.
17:05: targeting the Ramtha site in the occupied Lebanese Kfar Shuba hills with rocket weapons, achieving a direct hit.
18:00: targeting the Bayad Blida site with rocket weapons, achieving a direct hit.

The French FREMM frigate "Alsace" has abandoned the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden, according to French sources.
The commander of the ship stated that the Yemeni Armed Forces "do not hesitate to use drones and ballistic missiles in a very surprising and striking manner."
He added, "It has been a long time since we dealt with this level of weapons and violence. The Houthis are perfecting their technique. The more they fire, the more accurate they become."
The Commander told Le Figaro: "All combat equipment was used on board the frigate, from the Aster missile to machine guns," noting that the cost of each Aster is $2 million.
FREMM is the one of a number of European military ships that have recently withdraw from the area, following the withdrawal of the HDMS Danish Esbern Snare this week and the British destroyer HMS Richmond before it.

Earlier today, the “innovation” department of tech giant Samsung (Samsung Next) announced that it was ceasing all operations in the zionist entity. This is the latest in a slew of hits to the occupation’s economy, which prior to October 7 thrived on a burgeoning technology sector.
In addition to slowdowns at the ports of “Eilat” and occupied Asdod, the continuous withdrawal of foreign enterprise and investment from the zionist entity signifies that time is not on the enemy’s side. This is without a doubt the achievement of the armed resistance, which has made it clear that there can be no peace for those who benefit from the theft of Palestinian land or the genocide of its people.

>>1820258
Would a government collapse make any material difference in the genocide going on?

>>1820257
Why have imperialists historically suppressed all the progressive opposition they faced while promoting reactionary tendencies of the oppressed people through direct and indirect means? It has happened most recently and notably in Afghanistan and Iraq. Who backed the religious fundamentalists against socialists there? Palestine is no exception. We have enough evidence that proves Israel was and is supportive of the reactionary forces in the region, including those ostensibly against it.
It is because the bourgeoisie knows how futile the reactionary struggle for emancipation is. As long as it is devoid of class consciousness, then it is utterly impotent. We should not fall into this imperialist trap, by putting our weight behind reactionaries, we diminish the need for a progressive revolutionary movement that is able to correctly understand its material conditions through a materialist lens and guide the proletarian towards real liberation.

>>1820090
>Damn how many death threats did she got from her fellow countrymen after that?
I honestly wont be surprised when she's either killed or flees to Europe or USA.

>>1820275
>Europe is falling apart
>Social contract collapse
<hmmm lets drop 100's of milions of euros of weapons into the sea for no reason
fucking faggots.

>>1820274
They have PT boats with 20mm auto cannons. That's about it.

>>1820278
>coalition collapse
>triggers re-election
>during a war
>protests
>protests
I wouldn't cast dice, I'll be honest with you, chief.

Disregard PFLP anon, he's just fishing for attention at all costs

I accept your concession :^)

>Thread is two retards fighting
Reminds me of the earlier iterations of thread..
Just as the situation is so tense.. Curious.

The full scene awaits the Iranian response
With the beginning of the second half of the year of the Israeli war of annihilation against the Palestinian people, a strategic scene emerges above the rubble and martyrs on the one hand, and above an Israeli defeat that seems deeper than the world acknowledges, until this moment.

The madness of the occupation has gone beyond cold-blooded and senseless killing, reaching the point of exceeding all appeals to the world, its organizations, states, peoples, religious and charitable symbols…and insisting on continuous public killing, and more than that, it has reached the point of bombing the embassy of a sovereign state on the territory of another sovereign state, and the residence of the ambassador, and killing Consultants work within an official framework legally protected by international agreements and treaties that are part of public international law. Despite widespread condemnation around the world of this act, which is alien to the traditions of international relations, the United States came out to say that it had heard of the matter, and was awaiting additional information from the entity itself.

Israel then directly attacked the Iranian embassy in Damascus, killing 14 people, including seven Iranians. With Iran deciding to respond inevitably to this crime, the research moved to studying the circumstances after the response.

This response, of course, requires time, wisdom, and careful calculations to ensure that it leads to complicating the enemy’s position, not to restore the initiative to him, and to help him survive the historical impasse in which he fell.

This impasse has so far led to it losing the image of itself that it has been building for 75 years, as a “state” capable of integrating into the international community and carrying out the functions of a “state.”

Now, the true face of the entity that feeds on acts of revenge, practiced by crime gangs and terrorist organizations, is emerging. While he was seeking to spread his image as an independent “state” capable of living with the peoples of the region, he now appears in his original image, which is that he was built and lives on killing these peoples, and that he has a deep-rooted racist hostility towards them that cannot be hidden in any entitlement.

Note that it has been practicing organized crime since its founding, but what is different now is that it is practicing it randomly, and almost without a coherent and organized cover at the level of public relations and propaganda. The entity has suffered a devastating defeat at this level, and in the future remaining to it, it will suffer greatly in its effort to restore the image that the United States, most of the Western world, and the global media cartels that are clearly controlled by these countries and some of their global companies are helping it to spread.

This war, and the ongoing crimes of the occupation, revealed the reality of the global media, with some bright spots that emerged from individuals in this world, not from institutions. While alternative media platforms formed a suitable space for supporters of the Palestinian cause and opponents of crimes against humanity wherever they are, in order to express their honorable positions and support the right that was not clear in an international issue as it is today specifically in the Palestinian situation.

As for the response, the passage of time increases the pressure on the entity, expands the area of ​​uncertainty experienced by the extremist government of Benjamin Netanyahu, and increases the internal existential anxiety of a society charged with hatred and the desire to kill on racial and religious grounds, with a decline in confidence in the political leadership there to restore… Deterrence, or achieving victory.

Then more time is required to ensure that this point is closed after the response, while the current round continues. Because this point in particular (represented by a momentous event such as the bombing of an embassy) has a special moral nature, meaning that it gives the winner a moral superiority that may quickly resolve the round, and perhaps the entire confrontation, in parallel with the miracle occurring in Gaza.

This is a miracle that expresses itself, and words are not enough to express its honorable and heroic aspects. It is a miracle that everything above your head is destroyed, and then you rise from under the rubble to launch a missile or engage in a clash, or even to set up an elaborate ambush like the ambush of al-Zana, after half a year during which what amounts to four nuclear bombs capable of annihilating stone before humans fell on your head.

Then beyond that, the miracle appears to be that, after all this hell poured upon you, your people, and everyone you love, from children, the elderly, women, men, streets, homes, memories, culture, etc., you maintain your will pure, sound, with strong faith, and on your conditions as they were on the first day. There is no return of the prisoners without an agreement that leads to the release of Palestinian prisoners, a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, a complete withdrawal of the occupation soldiers from the Gaza Strip, the entry of aid to the Palestinian people in Gaza, and a commitment to reconstruction. This last clause added to the previous conditions under which the resistance began the war. That is, it not only adhered to its position, but added to the condition created by the war, in a legendary image of the steadfastness of peoples and national liberation movements.

If the Iranian response is very painful and with one big blow, a point in the duel will be closed with American blessing. This is because the other option would mean widespread and mutual destruction, as a result of which those who are not from the region will leave the region.

The American administration is well aware of this, and with the revelation of the capabilities possessed by the countries and factions of the Axis of Resistance, and the major repercussions caused by its current operations, it is now able to conduct a simulation of an expanded regional war, and there is no harm in consulting artificial intelligence about the outcome of that simulation, if the natural intelligence has It has become rare in the camp of enemies of the peoples of the region.

The picture is transformed again with this work. The developments of the dry days changed the direction of events in the region. The Israeli strike may have achieved an important tactical goal for intelligence and air force officers by killing a figure (or figures) among the leaders of the axis of resistance, and it is eager to achieve a successful strike by getting rid of them. But this is not the case for political leaders who, by their own admission and appreciation, are waging an “existential war.”

These people, or whoever is thinking behind them, must realize the extent of the foolishness they have committed, and the level of recklessness they have reached in choosing the steps they are taking in a war like this. If the situation of the peoples of the region were better, and the losses were not so catastrophic, the supporter of the Palestinian cause would wish that the occupation leaders would remain at this level of lack of vision, because that would kill their colonial project in the region, and the influence and presence of their supporters in it. But wishful thinking always favors the priority of alleviating the human suffering of people, and continuing to work on the project of dismantling this disease that has been planted in the region.

The Israeli strike came above international law as a whole, and in this way it is the clearest evidence of the distorted vision. Instead of providing a feeling of strength and confidence inside Israel, it created great anxiety from two sources:

⁃ Anticipation of a painful Iranian response, without knowing its place, time, tools, nature of its goals, scope, and most important of all, its horizon, that is, whether it will be a single response after which the controls and rules of engagement will return to work, or whether it will be the beginning of a new context.

⁃ The good readers within the entity discovered that the strike was not conscious, meaning that it was not a chosen piece within a complete picture of the decision maker who took the initiative to push this stone onto the board.

The painful Iranian response, when it occurs, will serve to show Netanyahu once again as a reckless manager of force. As a bloody commander, he strikes without certainty of the outcome of the strikes, especially long-range ones. In this war, he appeared as a voracious killer without being able to portray the image of the fighter that Israel has always sought to portray its leaders in his imaginary image.

This strike led to a shift in the scene, specifically in the dynamic of time, which has become harmful to Netanyahu, after it had been serving him in recent weeks in particular. He is the one who wants to hold out until the US presidential elections next November, to achieve one of two goals during the intervening period:

⁃Destroying Hamas permanently.
Or

⁃ America's entry into the war.
But his strike in Damascus changed the entire chemistry of events, made him lose the initiative, and put him and his allies in a position of waiting for a strike about which not much is known.

There are also new indicators, which seem striking and faint at the same time, showing that the useful strengths of the resistance in Gaza are protected and far from danger. This is also what some aspects of the Al-Zana ambush revealed at the six-month mark since the beginning of the war, which, with all its details that can be published, revealed a high ability to monitor, inquire, plan, move, implement, and achieve the optimal result from military resistance action, as best as could be expected.

Then, “Israel’s” step to attack the Iranian embassy in Damascus, and the developments and expectations that followed, showed more than ever that the possibilities of a wide war will not only change the region, but that its victims will be the economies of a very large group of countries, many of which are outside the region.

The fate of the global economy now depends on the prospects of the Middle East, as an imminent danger. This is also what the operations of the Yemeni resistance forces in the Red Sea and beyond have demonstrated.

The irony that the world must read carefully is that the Yemeni Ansar Allah adheres to international law in their actions, and they only target from ships those who are related to Israeli acts of genocide. This falls in accordance with the view of justice from which international law treaties are based, under the clause of a legitimate and proportionate response to acts of genocide. War, since the Yemenis and Palestinians belong to one nation and within the framework of one Arab League, it must act as a political unit that brings together the Arabs in circumstances such as these, and not only as a regional organization.

International rules are moving now, and whoever has the power imposes the situation that suits him. This is what the Russians did in Ukraine, and this is how the Westerners deal with Russia, China, Iran and other powers, and this is also what Donald Trump did when he transcended all international logic and wanted to recognize the Israeli occupation of the occupied Syrian Arab Golan, and also Jerusalem as the capital of the entity, and other actions indicating the same direction…

All of this leads, with regard to the entity, to the fact that Netanyahu committed political suicide once again in the consulate attack. He brought himself and the entity closer to defeat that seemed certain. All signs point to it, even the newspaper “Haaretz” has begun to acknowledge what is now happening to the entity. In it, the Israeli journalist “Haim Levinson” wrote, admitting that “this cannot be said, but we were absolutely defeated… We lost, we lost the war, and this is the clear conclusion for every settler, and we have "It is a psychological and collective difficulty in recognizing this." He continues to say: "We have before us a clear and sharp reality, which we must begin to digest and draw lessons from."

The Iranian response will occur, as Netanyahu’s strike on the consulate in Damascus made him lose the initiative, and all other circumstances indicate that the moment represents a valuable opportunity for Iran to respond harshly, but at the expense of what Washington can absorb, and not be forced to engage in the conflict directly with him.

Because both sides do not appear to want an expanded war, each for its own reasons. As for Iran, it does not want to give Netanyahu a chance to save himself and the entity by expanding the area, prolonging the time of war, and inviting Washington to it, while the natural development of the scene does not serve “Israel” and America. Then because of the losses and human suffering of the Palestinians, and the necessity of their exit from the war to recover and build again.

As for the Americans, they have mountains of problems above their heads that may not allow them to emerge into the world as dominant superpowers again. America's crises, in size and proportion, are no less than Israel's existential crisis, if the existing possibilities are measured. Then, why fight about Netanyahu?

One of the features of the opportunity now is that the Israeli “army” cannot enter the expanded war alone. This is settled. In addition, it is exhausted and cannot mobilize in the long term, although in the current war it possessed two new characteristics: the ability to fight long wars and bear human losses.

Biden specifically does not want an expanded war. He will not enter it except under unavoidable necessity. His calculations are linked to the elections, Ukraine, the economic crisis and scarcity of resources, and the approaching confrontation with China…

On the other hand, Iran has the legitimate pretext for a proportional response to the crime of bombing the embassy in Damascus, due to Israel’s violation of the Vienna Treaties regulating diplomatic and consular relations and the immunities of diplomats and headquarters (1961, 1963, 1969) and the Rome Statute.

Among all these data, it appears necessary to exploit the media moment that shows a “state” bombing the embassy of a sovereign state, in a third sovereign state, in a public and direct manner. This has not been witnessed in international relations, and has only been practiced by terrorist organizations or popular revolutions.

This is regarding the opportunity, but Tehran’s calculations also take into account the threat, and the most important point in it is that this provocation does not lead it to a response that Washington cannot remain silent about, thus fulfilling Netanyahu’s dream of America entering the war against Iran, to fight for it. The response will occur, within these controls. According to data that has emerged in recent days, any American engagement with “Israel,” or an attempt to prevent a response to it, will also make America’s interests a target for response.

This may explain the American rush to restrain Netanyahu, or at least the spread of this atmosphere regarding Biden and Netanyahu’s call after the strike, and Washington’s attempt to accelerate the pace of negotiations to stop the war, and to circulate a media speech that now directly calls for stopping the war.

This path has one logical end according to current events. Stop the war without achieving the goals of the occupation, and fulfill the conditions set by the resistance. A resounding defeat for “Israel” on the one hand, with the emergence of the American ability to control world events as it had never appeared before. Weak and hesitant, and a loser in the overall outcome of the scene.

>>1820305
No one is reading this novel about two retards threatening each other for the billion time

The US dangles Yemen bait, but Ansarallah doesn’t bite
>The US has secretly offered a stunning array of concessions to Ansarallah to halt its naval operations in support of Gaza – to no avail.
>We favor a diplomatic solution. We know that there is no military solution. – US Special Envoy for Yemen Timothy Lenderking
Houthi chads I fvckign kneel
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/24357
https://archive.is/996mR

>>1820339
Okay, they have to invade now, right? Right? You don't offer maximum peace concession and then just stop.

>>1820345
If they were in a favourable position to invade, they never would have offered such crazy concessions in the first place.

>>1820339
Absolute fucking chads.

>>1820339
How did they get these concessions

>>1820346
It's not the 19th-early 20th century anymore. You must think like a proper profit-monitoring, bean-counting capitalist. Wars are the most expensive option in diplomacy.

>>1820349
they shut down the red sea/suez canal shipping lane

>>1820353
Based. Are Americucks to afraid to attack for some reason?

>>1820355
They tried and it didn't work.
tl;dr
They bombed Yemen (a bit harder than they already were) and it just made Yemen as a whole side with the Houthis, and they sent some ships but the Houthis fired missiles at them and it scared them away.

>>1820339
Americans are trying to prevent multifront war at the same time in Europe (Ukraine), Middle East (Palestine, Yemen) and Asia (Taiwan). They will deal with Houthis later as Yemen is incredibly important strategically.

>>1820339
>We're not for sale. What you gonna do, bomb our next million man singsong?
Feels good to know the Houthis are out there like that. Imagine how good countries that gave been fucked by the US feel hearing this.

>>1820350
The USA isn't run by rational actors though. They've never seen a war they didn't like, the only reason they could not be invading here isn't cost, but because it would probably be a costly failure.

>>1820405
They honestly don't have the resources to fight in Ukraine, Israel, and Yemen all at once, not while keeping to the Taiwan war timetable.

>>1820421
True but it isn't about money, more supplies, manpower, equipment etc.

>>1820446
wild how bibi killed the liberal zionist dream

>>1820446
<Going Status? Not well.
Yes even the doom-posters had to stop pretending this wasn't true. It's been over for them for a while im glad they're finally starting to realize.
>>1820384
Any day now one of the big media outfits will take this story up in a big way, the stories we're getting are really horrific even within the context of the last 6 months.

>>1820446
came here to post it.

here is an archive if you cant get past the pay wall

https://archive.is/aHktF


I think the media is turning because they want to kick bibi out asap

why doesn't iran just retaliate by hitting an american embassy?

>>1820546
because nothing ever happens

>>1820548
but why?

>>1820546
For something Israel did?

>>1820548
would that even rise to the level of happening? its seems like a simple solution to israel being unhinged. houtis have it right, israel does a thing: hit the americans in the economy

>>1820552
uh… yeah. thats kind of the whole point.

>>1820556
Is this a serious question from a brain donor or are we on a level of comedy and irony beyond my comprehension?

>>1820557
What about this is unserious? Treating Israel as a US outpost and punishing the US for Israeli actions is correct and also rhetorical gold.

>>1820558
I was just thinking that Iran should make a deal with Assad where they match troops 1:1 for every Israeli outside Raffah they put a guy outside the US occupied refineries in Syria. Cant imagine a faster way to get Biden to tell Netanyahu to fuck off then threatening their oil.

>>1820446
How are they killing this many people conquering land and are still losing?

>>1820570
>this many
Gaza Strip population is 2.3 million. Casualties inflicted by Israel directly are a rounding error. That's why they're attacking humanitarian help - they're trying to induce siege starvation.

>>1820570
Israel is losing because some objectives can't be achieved with violence, or without making concessions to Hamas.

>>1820563
Iranians are cucks and Assad is afraid of Israel.
Some months ago, they said that northern Israel was hit 9000 times from Lebanon, while 50 Syrian shells fell into Israel (legally most of them even fell into Syria, as the Golan heights are Syrian).

>>1820558
What does your vid have to do with kurds?

>>1820638
Well Netanyahu's plan was always to Keyzer Soze it.

>>1820194
This poster is objectively correct. You guys are all uninformed, you're making judgements based on a false mental picture of MENA. If you talk to any actual MENAoid leftist, you'd know that islamists are a reactionary force which is ultimately antithetical to everything we stand for. You can't just theorize this shit without talking to people who actually live here. Don't be an armchair wikipedia warrior

t. MENAoid leftist

mat hemmesh nafsak betufooliyet el eganeb di

Irgc status? Still cucked?

>>1820548
nothing ever happens regards are the human version of those frogs that get boiled alive

>>1820210
>dengist saudi arabia
finally someone doing something about bourgeois women
socialism with burqa characteristics
>>1820446

>>1820655
Do you oppose MENA foreign policies?

>>1820655
explain PFLP in coalition with Hamas

>>1820655
>>1820665
>We are an international movement.
Negative ghost rider, we are not, and have not been an international movement in a long time, the day that the USSR took up the mantle to be a vanguard was the day the seeds of destruction were sown, for once the vanguard was blown up, it took everything with it. The failure of revolutionary anti-imperialism to fully succeed has resulted in disenfranchisement, when the reactionaries instead prove that they are far more capable of dealing blows to the imperial hegemon, it is only natural that anyone from any hemisphere (North, South, East, West) will gravitate to reactionaries.

Only look at the damage that Al-Qaeda did on 11/9, the humiliation that the Taliban dealt to NATO-ISAF, and the current issues with Hamas and Yemen to see how effective reactionaries have been, meanwhile, what have revolutionaries been doing? Making sectarian noises on the internet? Nothing you do or type here will have a modicum of effect, not an ounce of support here to any one movement will equal a single bullet fired in anger.

If reactionaries are popular, it is only because revolutionaries have utterly surrendered praxis to them, hence the rapidly growing popularity of nationalist-reactionary movements throughout even Europe. The constant refrain of "nationalism bad" will do nothing more than to consistently hobble anymore

I advise you to learn how to use the language of nationalism more, it works you know, it's been working for a long time, far better than endlessly inane paeans to empty solidarity.

>>1820671
Al qaeda was an international movement.

>>1820665
aslan the opinions of western leftists kulaha mas2ara, what's important is the possible resurgence of mass politics. Hases masr mmken t2leb tany

>>1820667
idk wym

>>1820668
Pragmatism

>>1820671
All of the factions you mentioned see most of their popularity specifically from being perceived as the resistance - not because their ideologies are particularly compelling.

>What have revolutionaries been doing?
Fomenting revolution lmao. MENA tyrants are fucking shitting bricks right now. People are restless and there's a real chance we might see another eruption

>>1820672
>Al qaeda was an international movement.
Not in the sense of an actual organized, "Al-Qaeda" is more of a brand that multiple groups picked up as the Global Farce on Terror went on. AQ in Iraq (which later became IS) is a different beast to AQ in Yemen and AQ in East Africa, they were all borne out of different circumstances that merely adopted the AQ brand.
>All of the factions you mentioned see most of their popularity specifically from being perceived as the resistance
That's… what I said, those groups do just enough to always portray themselves as the resistance, revolutionaries do not, in fact sometimes the opposite, as the collaboration of the Communist Party of Iraq with the occupying Americans illustrates.
>Fomenting revolution lmao[…]People are restless and there's a real chance we might see another eruption
Oh no! Not another "Arab Spring"! The last one definitely resulted in the establishment of actually popular nationalist regimes and not a circus of comprador clowns
Every now and then someone comes onto leftypol -the last time was a Filipino dude- insists that shits about to go down any two weeks now…
And then nothing happens, I don't know what's happening in the Philippines now, but its probs not a revolution.

>>1820686
Pretty international considering all the international brigades they form. Their rhetoric is completely international.

One can only hope.

>>1820700
the hummus is inside the white house

>>1820700
Love how Benny thinks his little stubble makes him more based and manly and not like an adolescent.

>>1820704
>In fact inside indigenous insurgency Sunnis and Shias were helping each others and coordinating attacks all time, most famously in Fallujah, they also maintained anti-sectarian rhetoric.
Uhh.. its not that simple. Some groups were explicitly non-sectarian like IAI but the Mahdi Army certainly wasn't. As for Fallujah, it was a hotbed for a bunch of groups (including Al-Qaeda in Iraq) who established a joint council for coordinating the defense of the city. None of the groups on that council were Shia and Fallujah doesn't have a large Shia population anyway.

>It was the foreign Islamists let in by the US who used sectarian rhetoric, advocated for ethnic cleansing, and targeted civilians with suicide bombings.
Zarqawi moved into Iraq BEFORE the invasion and the first group to use suicide bombings was the Islamic Dawah Party's 1981 suicide bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut. From there Islamic Jihad and a bunch of Palestinian groups (most famously Hamas) adopted it.

Now why would the US allow "foreign Islamists" in to fight them? See this is just another one of your dumb conspiracy theories that doesn't pass the sniff test. Your telling us the US allowed insurgents into Iraq presumably so those insurgents could attack and kill US and occupation soldiers? The US military may be retarded but they ain't suicidal and the last thing they want are lots of soldiers coming back in body bags. It was the Syrians who allowed insurgents to make free use of their border.

>>1820671
One should not make a false equivalence between Middle Eastern Islamic movements and European nationalists and the predominance of both of these groups over the left has to do with a lot more than praxis.

>>1820668
PFLP and Hamas both adopted a rejectionist line towards Oslo in the 90s so they were on the same page politically. Hamas can't field candidates in Christian areas like Bethlehem (mayor has to be a Christian) so they back PFLP candidates in those districts. The anti-Oslo people vote as a bloc. Hamas had already eaten away the PFLP's support base in Gaza and effectively replaced them. The PFLP's armed wing in Gaza appears to be basically dependent on Hamas anyway. The Popular Front is on the way out as a major Palestinian faction so they latch onto Hamas to stay relevant while Hamas uses them as leverage to exert influence in areas outside of their traditional constituencies.

>>1820781
Interesting post.

>>1820781
Do you retards really have to engage pflp flag when he turns up?
He's just here for attention seeking and derailing.

>>1820854
>The Mahdi army was ostensibly non-sectarian
Its a Shia organization… wtf are you talking about?

>During the fighting in Fallujah at the start of the conflict, Iraqi Sunnis were sent arms by the Mahdi army
They were also sent arms and money by Al-Qaeda. Doesn't make AQ non-sectarian.

>Source: Colin Powell WMDs speech
Everybody agrees Zarqawi was already in Iraq. The Iraqi authorities were hunting for him before the invasion. The US did use it to bolster their pretext and without their invasion his group would have remained tiny but he was there before the US invasion so your whole "America let the Islamist-Zionists in" doesn't make sense. Also lets not forget Mullah Krekar too.

It really does seem you weren't around during the Iraq war. It was the US who coined the phrase "foreign fighter." It was the US that claimed the entire insurgency was made up of foreign actors and the Iraqi people just loved to be occupied. It was the US who created a massive global monitoring and surveillance system to track and control wandering armed men and lock them up in detention centers. If you think the US deliberately allowed foreign jihadists in you are actually brain dead stupid and you've never read a single government document. The US wanted the war in Iraq to be over ASAP. What do you think the mission accomplished speech was for? As far as CENTCOM and the White House were concerned, Iraq was a victory in 2003 and they were looking to hand off the country and move on to the next invasion (probably Syria or Sudan). A prolonged insurgency was not something they planned for and their whole military policy in the 2000s was to "stabilize Iraq" so they could leave and carry on with the next war. You can read the documents yourself. Just look at the national security plans, CENTCOM documents, Pentagon budgets, the Patreaus COIN manual etc.

The sectarianization of Iraq was because the US state department and local Iraqi political players (Chalabi, the Dawa party, etc) imported the "Lebanon model" which actually generated and encouraged the sectarian strife. Its not as simple as "the foreign jihadis came and created sectarianism" in fact that very line is US state dept. propaganda. "all of our problems in Iraq are caused by foreign extremists" literally Bush talking points.

>>1820854
>>1820704
Well a lot of plotholes in your story. You say the USA let them in, but they wpuld still have to cross from one country into another. What does let in mean anyways?

>>1820857
They're not gonna do shit

>>1820857
Delusional post

>>1820570
>killing this many people ?
The "official numbers" are a meaningless metric and comparing it to Ukraine even more. Obviously the price paid by civilians is far far greater than some arbitrary number of certified deadly victims of a military attack. And obviously the war in Ukraine has a far greater scope and a far greater impact overall. Most of the victims of a war aren't going to leave a convenient corpse to be noted down by a nearby grudge accountant. Plus Israel is literally assassinating reporters who say the wrong things.

The argument of measuring the numbers is just propaganda nonsense, to avoid saying what is not yet politically correct to say. That Israel is shooting up their own ghetto/concentration camp, with the stated goal of ethnic cleansing. So instead public speakers dance around the issue and, at best, try to induce that conclusion without naming it. Because their salary depends on staying within that window.

>conquering land and are still losing
Losing is relative to the objective. Which is the buttressing of US hegemony. Israel is an appendage of the US and NATO. And if this conflict results in their influence over regional politics and trade diminishing, or paying too high a cost for buttressing it, it may not be a win, no matter how much the ego of Zionists is stroked or how many beach resorts the get to build on Gaza.
The resolution in which the status quo is restored and everyone kisses the ring of NATO and cucks out to some mealymouthed UN backed, US enforced, kumbaya bullshit accords is increasingly unlikely. Even if the current push to pass recognition of the Palestinian statehood is taken by "the west" and there is progressive de-escalation, the situation they would be returning to, is one where NATO has to keep compradors at gunpoint or cede space to China.

Total zio death.

>>1820704
People forget Saddam declared on Iran BECAUSE the Iranians were sending literal terrorists to Iraq to turn it into a Shia fundamentalist theocracy

Saddam was based and did nothing wrong

>>1820280
You're a delusional, polarized, Manichean thinker that still carries the fundamentalism of your so hated "fundamentalist Islamists" you decry about, and just put on a Marxist-Leninist costume on top of it.

The USSR itself supported Palestinian groups, including more "radical Islamist" factions, to ally with liberation movements and anti-imperialist governments, and they still do it to this day via Russia and China. This also was part of an overall policy where they supported various states and movements in the Middle East that had significant Islamic components, as part of its anti-imperialist and anti-colonial agenda.

Libya under Muammar Gaddafi, who promoted a socialist ideology known as the Third International Theory, supported various Islamist movements across Africa and the Middle East, seeing them as part of a broader struggle against Western imperialism.

The existence of "islamist" bootlickers like Saudi does not imply that all Islamist factions are part of some greater conspiracy of the imperialist West.
You got the same brainrot reactionaries have on top of your narcissistic cognitive elitism.

>>1821039
thought he was doing it for the americans and territory. the man was a greedy nationalist retard that got betrayed by his imperialists patrons

>>1819915
>>1820171
>>1820194
>>1820280
>>1820557

>This just in…
Zionism is Kosher Fascism

>>1821055
I got my zion those titties

>>1821055
who would win: tradwife youtube LARPer or thirst trap tiktok apartheid soldier?

>>1821049
>his imperialists patrons
The USSR?

>>1820287
>Anon proves his lack of reading comprehension.
You literally just read "combat Pan-Islamism", and concluded "Islamism" bad.

>all Communist parties must assist the bourgeois-democratic liberation movement in these countries
Local resistance against imperialist forces, regardless of the specific religious or cultural characteristics of these movements, should be supported.

>a struggle against the clergy and other influential reactionary and medieval elements in backward countries.
With the first point above, the approach would be to focus the support on promoting progressive and revolutionary elements within these movements themselves, not work against them. If you compare the original Hamas charter with the one from 2017, that is self-evident.
Let alone how they've worked and transformed with other movements in Gaza. Reframing of many tenants in the lenses of social justice instead of "Islamism". Your dear PFLP works with them.

>the need to combat Pan-Islamism and similar trends, which strive to combine the liberation movement against European and American imperialism with an attempt to strengthen the positions of the khans, landowners, mullahs, etc.
This, by itself, is where your brainrot shows. A good explanation of this is how Salafism actually flourishes with Western support. Hell, just look at ISIS. They enforced traditional feudal and conservative religious structures over liberation and anti-imperialist goals.

Even if you see the Muslim Brotherhood as a Pan-Islamist movement, Hamas broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood officially in 2017, and redefines itself as a "Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement." This goes against the idea of Pan-Islamism. They don't seek to put all Muslim countries under one state.

The other points fit within what I explained above.

A settler has been missing from a settlement between Nablus and Ramallah. Zionist forces are storming surrounding Palestinian villages in large numbers to search for him, under the suspicion that he was kidnapped. The IOF has established an operations room to search for him.
Settlers, protected by the IOF, have also been raiding surrounding villages such as Mughayyir near Ramallah, opening fire and attacking residents. Injuries by IOF live bullets have taken place during the confrontations.

>>1821084
This is how MENA leftoids think. Not all of them but a lot of them. They are too lazy to even read Marx and Engels but they'll thump them like Bible worshipers. Behrooz Ghamari-Tabrizi calls these people "Enlightenment secular fundamentalists" because they have a deranged hang up on Islam of all things. All of the Middle East's problems can be explained as being caused by Islam or "traditional structures" or "feudal structures" which are again random concepts they've lifted from Western literature without bothering to understand them. Just ask one of these people to describe the class structure of Ottoman Palestine. They can't do it. Or they go looking for Soviet era orientalists and copy paste from them because they are so lazy and anti-intellectual and this is why the left is dead in the Middle East but they'll deny that all day and blame someone else.

>This, by itself, is where your brainrot shows. A good explanation of this is how Salafism actually flourishes with Western support. Hell, just look at ISIS. They enforced traditional feudal and conservative religious structures over liberation and anti-imperialist goals.
First of all, the US doesn't support Salafism. Half of the people who bitch and whine about Salafism don't even know what it is. Salafism is just a religious sect mostly made up of political quietists who think politics is sinful. There's nothing traditional about Salafism either. Its a modern largely Protestant-inspired movement that's apolitical. The US establishment made a big deal out of Salafism because they're stuck in a Cold War mindset where they have to have some grand -ism to blame everything on. They also needed a short hand for "bad Islam" and since many AQ members are Salafis they put two and two together and declared Salafism as the enemy. The vast majority of Salafis are peaceful (if really annoying) people who've done nothing to anybody. Salafism isn't some evil engine of imperialism and it isn't a pipeline to jihadism either just a sect that gets unfairly picked on by Westerns on both sides of the political spectrum neither of whom understand what it is.

Confrontations have intensified between the residents of the town of Al-Mughayyir near #Ramallah and settler mobs protected by the IOF who are invading the town and opening fire on homes, burning them, and injuring a number of Palestinians with live bullets.
Mosques are calling for surrounding towns to come and repel the attacks.

A large number of Palestinians have been injured by IOF and settlers' bullets as they continue to invade of the town of Al-Mughayyir, near Ramallah.
Three zionist soldiers and a number of settlers have been injured during the confrontations.
One Palestinian has ascended to martyrdom after being shot by settlers invading a home, according to local sources, and six others have been injured.
Glory to the martyrs.

Out of fears of an imminent response from Iran, the American embassy warned its citizens in occupied Palestine last night to not leave the central region, Al-Quds, or Bir Al-Sabi', and to avoid travelling to the north or Haifa. The US military deployed a ship off the coast of Palestine to confront ballistic missiles and advanced drones this morning.
Also this morning, British and Indian foreign ministries called on their citizens to leave occupied Palestine immediately.
Meanwhile, the IOF has raised its readiness among its ranks, and Netanyahu held a special security meeting this morning to prepare for an attack, followed by a meeting with the heads of government ministries. Zionist and western sources estimate a response within 48 hours.

Settlers continue their attack on the village of Al-Mughayyir, northeast of Ramallah, burning a number of cars and homes, and attempting to enter them. The attack has been ongoing for over 4 hours, protected by IOF soldiers.
11 Red Crescent ambulances are dealing with at least 10 injuries from settlers' bullets, including serious ones. When the ambulances approach, settlers are opening fire on them, according to the Red Crescent.
Some settlers have moved to attack the village of Turmusaya, north of Ramallah at this moment as well.

German forces stormed the room that the "Palestine Conference" was being held in Berlin, Germany, cutting off the electricity and video feed as Nakba survivor and researcher Salman Abu Sitta was speaking via video.
Dr. Ghassan Abu Sitta, a firsthand witness to genocide who was working in Gaza hospitals during the war and set to speak at the conference, was detained at the Berlin airport and forcibly prevented from entering the country.
It is worth noting that Germany is currently on trial at at the International Court of Justice for its military and financial support for the zionist entity's genocide, and it is one of the most repressive countries for Arab and Palestinian activism, long before October 7th.

>>1821093
>First of all, the US doesn't support Salafism. Half of the people who bitch and whine about Salafism don't even know what it is. Salafism is just a religious sect mostly made up of political quietists who think politics is sinful. There's nothing traditional about Salafism either. Its a modern largely Protestant-inspired movement that's apolitical. The US establishment made a big deal out of Salafism because they're stuck in a Cold War mindset where they have to have some grand -ism to blame everything on. They also needed a short hand for "bad Islam" and since many AQ members are Salafis they put two and two together and declared Salafism as the enemy. The vast majority of Salafis are peaceful (if really annoying) people who've done nothing to anybody. Salafism isn't some evil engine of imperialism and it isn't a pipeline to jihadism either just a sect that gets unfairly picked on by Westerns on both sides of the political spectrum neither of whom understand what it is.

Then I guess whatever ISIS is. Idk what word to use. Wahhabism? Takfiris? Idk.

>>1821105
ISIS has its own ideology and theology its developed over the years. There's a brief overview here:
https://tif.ssrc.org/2015/04/20/the-islamic-states-intellectual-genealogy/

>>1821119
IS was a right wing Islamist Salafist movement. The vast majority of Nazis are peaceful nowadays but that says nothing about if there was a new "Adolf Hitler State in Germany and Austria" that Nazis all over Europe began flocking to whose primary goal was some "cleansing" and purification of the local population while screaming about Chinese communism (but never actually attacking it)

>>1821145
ISIS is still around and no Salafis are not Nazis. Just because ISIS are Salafis doesn't mean they represent mainstream Salafism anymore than Munster represented mainstream Protestantism. Salafism isn't a right wing movement because mainline Salafism is apoliticial and their leaders refuse to have anything to do with politics and see it as sinful. They don't sit anywhere on the political spectrum because they're not on it to begin with and they don't take political sides. Your literally just going after a mostly harmless religious sect because the sight of them personally offends you.

>>1821156
>Your literally just going after a mostly harmless religious sect because the sight of them personally offends you.
lol
Holiday at the vocation training center for you soon I think

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/12/iran-israel-attack-us-troops-warning

<Scoop: Iran warns U.S. to stay out of fight with Israel or face attack on troops

[…]

>Yes, but: Iran is sending a different message through other communication channels, including calls between the foreign ministers of the UK, Australia and Germany and their Iranian counterpart on Thursday.

>Two U.S. officials said the Iranian message in these calls was more nuanced and signaled the Iranians are aimed at a limited response that will not lead to a regional escalation.

>Another U.S. official said the U.S. is communicating directly with Iran through the formal Swiss channel of communication and Iran did not communicate threats through this channel.

>U.S. officials have been in touch with regional partners to discuss efforts to message to Iran to not escalate the situation, a U.S. official said.

>They've also been in touch with Israel to ensure they are able to defend themselves and at the same time prevent tensions from escalating, the official added.

>>1821162
Looks like the US has capped the Iranian response and brought some degree of control to the issue.

>>1821162
Love my bourgeois geopolitical theater, good boy Iran knows to keep the response strictly to some lowly soldiers.

>>1821173
Cooler heads prevail.

It just tacks on a massive fucking question mark as to why the Israelis okayed a missile strike on the Iranian embassy in the first place, as both sides, the US and Iran, are now just going through as much mutual damage control as possible.

>>1821179
It's frustrating because the US is barely in a position to respond properly no matter what Iran does, at this point asking the US for permission basically just fluffs their ego, keeps their appearance of hegemony intact, and further encourages them. Most of the time when America shows weakness people refuse to capitalize on it, but as soon as America senses it they go for the jugular. Iran needs to stop fucking about and go for the jugular while there's no real ability for the US to respond, because if the US manages to tough it out and get back into a stronger position, they'll be immediately back to their old bullshit.
This is only really acceptable if Iran knows with certainty that Israel will keep on escalating and this is all an attempt to safely cleave Israel and the US apart before really going in. I'm not saying this isn't the case but obviously all I truly know is what I am watching happen with my own eyes.

>>1821162
Remember.

What did Salafis do to you people? Seriously just a harmless bunch of religious people.

>>1821187
They have thousands of troops, air forces, and aircraft carriers in the region. The US is already capable of causing a lot of damage for Iran.

Total Atheist Death

>>1821190
Their fleet has been at sea for fucking ages and have spent most of their ammunition pointlessly bombing the Houthis. The Arabs aren't letting the US air force operate either. They are sitting ducks which is why they're trying to be nice to the Houthis and are begging the Iranians not to give them what they deserve.
The only time the US tries to play nice is when they know they cannot win. It's their option of last resort.

>>1821199
The Iranians probably just see non-intervention as a secure path to the long-term strategic defeat of both Israel and American interests in the region.

>>1821162
>Limited Iranian response

IRGC wouldn't dare touch a single Israeli soldier even if Idf bombers were striking Teheran, let's be real.

No trace of deterrence from them

>>1821156
>Salafism isn't a right wing movement because mainline Salafism is apoliticial and their leaders refuse to have anything to do with politics and see it as sinful. They don't sit anywhere on the political spectrum because they're not on it to begin with and they don't take political sides.

I largely agree with what you're saying about salafists being an american boogieman/scapegoat, but this specific bit just isn't true.

Salafiyya is literally the definition of conservatism. The movement is literally just muslim "retvrn" chvds. The whole premise is "we need to go back to practising Islam the way the prophet did, and purge the religion of modern innovations". The reason they (claim) not to participate in politics is because they don't recognize the legitimacy of anything that isn't like the original caliphates.

I agree that they're not some grand malign influence, but salafiyya is absolutely a political stance which, ironically, would be more of a problem if we had a liberal democracy. I had a proudly salafi Quran teacher once: he was a fucking crank.

>⚡️BREAKING
>Launch of several Arrow anti-ballistic missile interceptors in the area of Palmachim airbase is reported
Can't be bothered ripping the footage as it's just a glowing dot in the sky lol
Oh yeah some happenings by Hezb in "North Israel" too btw (no idea where any of this is)

>>1821212
>The whole premise is "we need to go back to practising Islam the way the prophet did, and purge the religion of modern innovations"
Literally all Muslims believe this not just Salafis. The political divisions among Salafis had a lot to do with splits between quietists and political radicals and between pro and anti-Saudi groups. I should be more accurate in saying Salafism doesn't determine political stances and theoretically you could be a woke liberal and a Salafi. The movement doesn't have an inherently political character although most are socially conservative. I will agree with you on the crank part. Salafis are cranky and annoying to be around but not criminal or anything resembling Nazism.

>>1821224
>arrow system

Damn, that's expensive. Is Hezb sending bigger missiles or what?

>>1821226
>Literally all Muslims believe this not just Salafis.
how can you say such obviously ridiculous shit
I dont like islam but this is pol tier

>>1821226
>Literally all Muslims believe this not just Salafis.
I guess in the sense that no muslim thinks they're practising a corrupt religion, but otherwise that's not true. Bro what are you even saying? Salafis reject all four madhahib. They're distinctly more fundamentalist than the majority of muslims.

>I should be more accurate in saying Salafism doesn't determine political stances and theoretically you could be a woke liberal and a Salafi.
Absolutely not. Woke liberal muslims exclusively rely on ad hoc reinterpretations of the quran/sunnah. Salafiyya is a reaction against shit like this, that's the whole point.

>The movement doesn't have an inherently political character although most are socially conservative.
They like to *think* they're apolitical. When people describe themselves as apolitical, they're invariably just reactionary
>I like video games without politics

Anyways this is derailing the thread, we both agree they're irrelevant but I'm just saying they're also rightwing chvdlords definitionally

⚡#BREAKING An American official told Al Jazeera: We are moving warships and military aircraft to the region in anticipation of a possible Iranian attack on Israel.


Yeah, nothingburger confirmed

>>1821285
Hope the Houthis sink one in the Red Sea to put a stop to America's and Iran's faggotry immediately

>>1821224
Posted the vids here >>1821217, I'll post the map of Hezbollah's operations today in a few hours.

Literally the best thing Iran can do right now is just continue to let Israel writhe like a worm in the daylight. Israel is hoping to goad Iran into doing something retarded, just like they got goaded by the Qassamis.

Israel's greatest asset is its 'international legitimacy', and they're rapidly annihilating every shred of it. The smart zionists (i.e. liberals) are aware of the catastrophic 'legitimacy breakdown' currently underway, and they're terrified of it.

Iran would be playing into Israel's hands if it retaliated. The motive behind Israel's embassy strike is painfully obvious. Iran only has to sit back and watch. There's no need to give the world a big spectacle - Israel's doing that just fine, and its viability as a state is rapidly diminishing concurrent with its 'international legitimacy'

>>1821292
Plot Twist:
The next multipolarity milestone is the sinking of an US aircraft carrier.

>>1821298
It's simpler than that. The only thing that actually hurts Israelis and Americans is separating them from allies, preventing them from grabbing hold of allied nations. It's either that, or direct damage to US or Israel.

>>1821242
All Muslims more or less revere the Prophet and his followers and think that period was a golden age etc. Salafis aren't any different. It doesn't make any of them inherently reactionary or whatever.

>>1821244
>Woke liberal muslims exclusively rely on ad hoc reinterpretations of the quran/sunnah
This is exactly what Salafis do. Take the Malaysian feminist group SIS. Their literature is constantly referencing Salafis and they use Salafist approaches.

>When people describe themselves as apolitical, they're invariably just reactionary
Or maybe their just not invested in politics? You can argue an apolitical person isn't really apolitical or trying to stay neutral is counterproductive but people who are trying to be neutral or don't like politics aren't aiding fascism. What kind of deranged logic is that? This is the kind of thing that pushes people away.

>>1821292
If the Houthis could do that they'd have done it already. The Americans aren't going to bring their carriers within attack range unless the captain is a mega retard. Possible but unlikely.

>>1821298
Maybe but Iran has to do something or Khameini's domestic position will be totally fucked and he'll loose what little credibility he has left. He's already extremely unpopular with virtually every section and faction of Iranian society. If Iran just lets embassy strikes slide then this kind of thing will happen again and again.

>>1821300
Haha actually agree that it's coming but not sure if it will be before some other big happening like invasion of Israel or Korea heating up, although it's more likely just based off numbers we get a slightly less embarrassing ship (but someone insanely based in the Resistance could be putting together an entire op focused around the "chance" sinking of a carrier by missile). Aircraft carrier is basically the max kino target and would be a symbolic end to the American Empire.
Not sure where all the tech is for such an event, like how likely it is with current Resistance tech versus current USN tech.

We lost the war, October 7 will affect us for years: Israeli media

Israeli media reported that "Israel" fell short of achieving its objectives during the war, underscoring a resounding defeat.

Haaretz's political affairs correspondent, Chaim Levinson, wrote in an article, "We have lost the war. This is the clear conclusion for every Israeli," adding that "the difficulty of admitting this sums up the entire private and public psychology of Israel."

He continued, "We have before us a clear, sharp, and demanding reality, and we must begin to comprehend it, understand it, and draw conclusions from it for the future. But it is not nice to say that we lost, so we are lying to ourselves."

Levinson pointed out that after six months, the settlers had become "prisoners of the worst leadership in the history of Israel."

"It is not certain that we will be able to return to the northern border, safely," he said, stressing that "Hezbollah has changed the equation in its favor."

He also said that there is now a high probability that over the years, any flight on the northern border will be "targeted," and that not all captives are guaranteed to return. "Any Iranian threat is bound to shake us, our international standing is damaged, and our leadership's weakness has been exposed."

"We've managed to uphold an illusion of strength for years, boasting intelligent individuals and a formidable military. However, we're merely a small Jewish village with an air force."

The Israeli correspondent highlighted "The challenge in acknowledging our defeat stems from the reverence for the military, where criticism is taboo. It's only on October 7th that we can, albeit briefly, express disappointment."

He contended that "Rafah is just the latest illusion being touted by those claiming victory,…by the time they reach Rafah, the significance of the event will have faded away."

Levinson emphasized that the reality is that the objectives of the war will not be met and Hamas will not be "eradicated", adding that "Prisoners will not be returned through military coercion and security will not be restored."

He continued, saying: "The louder the trumpets shout: We win, the more we lose. They lie. We must get used to it. Life was safer before October 7. The blow will be felt for many years to come," stressing that "international isolation will not disappear," adding that "The dead won't come back and neither will many of the prisoners."

Irish, Spanish PMs to meet; Palestine nation state plan on the table

The new Irish Taoiseach, Simon Harris, will meet the Spanish Prime Minister, Pedro Sanchez, to discuss their joint plan to recognize Palestine as a nation state and their plans to force the European Union (RU) to assess "Israel's" human rights obligations.

The Israeli government's violation of human rights should cost the occupation its association agreement with the EU, which is an all-encompassing trade agreement between the bloc and the Israeli regime. Harris and Sanchez will look to enforce a clause that obliges the EU to suspend the agreement with entities that violate human rights law, which "Israel" has been blatantly doing since it launched its genocidal war on the Gaza Strip.

Sanchez will arrive in Dublin on Friday, marking the first visit of a foreign Prime Minister to Harris since he took over the Irish government this week.

Spain and Ireland have worked toward pro-Palestine issues since the outbreak of the Israeli aggression on Gaza, focussing on the rights of the Palestinian people to an independent state and criticizing Israeli violation of international law.

On Thursday in Brussels, Harris said he made clear Ireland's position on the need for an immediate ceasefire in the Gaza Strip in a meeting with the European Commission President, Ursula von der Leyen. Moreover, Harris reiterated a formal request, made by Dublin and Madrid earlier, to review the EU association agreement with "Israel".

"I believe the European Union must use all of the levers at its disposal [to protect the Palestinian people]," Harris said.

Harris also said that Sanchez was a welcome guest to Dublin, as "he'll be the first head of government that" Harris "will welcome to government buildings." He explained that he looks forward to having the opportunity to discuss with Sanchez "the issue of the recognition of the state of Palestine and broader matters."

>>1821303
>Maybe but Iran has to do something or Khameini's domestic position will be totally fucked and he'll loose what little credibility he has left. He's already extremely unpopular with virtually every section and faction of Iranian society. If Iran just lets embassy strikes slide then this kind of thing will happen again and again.
The average Iranian explicitly does not want a war with Israel, and views Iran's support for the various militant factions as risky adventurism. Iranians are largely concerned with their economy's meltdown. I don't really think there's much political pressure to retaliate. We'll see

Also I'm done talking with you about salafis. It's clear you've never really met any, or else you'd know how ridiculous you'd sound to anyone living in a muslim country.

>>1821303
>The Americans aren't going to bring their carriers within attack range unless the captain is a mega retard
Basing my thoughts on these posts. They need to either go through the Suez to rearm as a shortcut or go on a big trek back home. Going around Africa takes even longer than going to the west coast.
<CONUS is an acronym for "contiguous United States,"
<they’re like 4 months past when they were supposed to rotate back to CONUS (and they’ve expended a significant quantity of their ordnance and SAMs)

>>1821315
Average Iranian is less important. Iranian establishment more important and Iran has its fair share of war hawks.

>>1821045
>reactionary
national liberation and bourgeois revolution are progressive under neocolonial conditions. reactionary/progressive is determined by material conditions with respect to the primary contradiction, imperialism, not religious idealism or human rights or how it makes you feel.

>>1821318
And then you remember that moving carriers to middle east didn't stop the Houthis (the expenditure of ordinance mentioned), so it sure as shit wouldn't work against Iran.

>>1821230
It seems Israel got spooked into launching Arrow interceptors for simple Katyusha missiles.
They fear so much an Iranian response that even the thought leads them to stuff like this

is the relevance of the millenium challenge overstated? surely things have changed since 2002. even if the simulation runners threw a bitch during the test, surely someone high up in the USA military did learn the relevant lessons from the simulation. and, also, is it a reasonable assumption that iranian leadership would act as riper did?

>>1821350
Single large targets are still vulnerable to swarm tactics, provided the damage output is appropriate. Just like in any vidya.

new astroturfing site dropped

>>1821310
O'Connery and Durruti haunt the backward western Euro countries

>>1821355
Femboy Moovers

>>1821355

is it paid or are these ppl doing it for free ?

>>1821360
they're astroturfing for free

>>1821348
Oh yeah it won't do shit except maybe create the ultimate banter timeline where a carrier gets sunk by Islamists lol, and I guess this would probably cause what's left of the neocon boomer base to die of an aneurysm

Fuck this shit. If Iran is too pussy to do something, then I guess it's time to show the world leftypol ain't a bitch.

>>1821375
anons gonna post so hard

>>1821375
the fuck leftypol gonna do? you uyghas get excuses after excuses 4 ur inaction

>>1821375
Imagine glowies being so desperate to take down /leftypol/, they falseflag a mass shooting to try and repeat the ending of 8.

>>1821381
Yes, Leftypol is a real person, a person that talks and make excuses and doesn't do anything.

>>1821388
Also, Leftypol is my personal army.

>>1821387
The only shooting he's gonna do is when he doubles his insulin shot for all the furious shitposting we're going to suffer through

>>1821348
>And then you remember that moving carriers to middle east didn't stop the Houthis (the expenditure of ordinance mentioned), so it sure as shit wouldn't work against Iran.
The U.S. has other bases and can fly bombers from the continental U.S. and back. There's even a base for heavy bombers in the Indian Ocean. A carrier group is a lot of extra spank but it's not like the U.S. can't bomb the bejesus out of Iran. That said, I don't think the U.S. could stop a committed Iranian assault on shipping in the Persian Gulf. Can't beat the Houthis either.

Thing here too is that large navies have pretty much always struggled to manage attacks against shipping from small-scale naval forces, like you go back to the 18th and 19th century and the Europeans (and later Americans) had a profound degree of naval superiority over the Barbary states but still struggled to prevent attacks on commercial vessels. The Ukrainians have either damaged or destroyed one-third of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in the past two years without having a navy of their own, using similar tactics to the Houthis (missiles, drones) including sinking a cruiser. This isn't to say the Russian navy has been a non-factor though, since its presence has forced Ukraine to redistribute resources away from other areas – the Ukrainians early in the war also had to keep troops in Odessa out of fear the Russians would launch an amphibious attack. Russia has also struck Ukrainian merchant ships and the overall threat posed by that fleet hinders Ukrainian trade (to a significantly greater degree than what the Houthis can do).

Overall, I don't think the U.S. and co. can do much to stop the Houthis, but Houthi attacks have been more of a sideshow They have managed to reduce shipping through the Red Sea by more than half, but the cost advantages of moving things by sea compared to air or land is so extreme that it generally doesn't matter if ships "take the long way around" beneath Africa anyways, so it doesn't really effect global maritime trade as a whole. The biggest loser is really Egypt which loses out on Suez transit fees.

>>1821381
Leftypol is a board for real uyghas only. We ain't bitch made like those Ayatollah boys, lettin Israel straight violate them up and down an won even square up. Leftypol is about that life. We say death to Israel and we mean it,we out here puttin in work in these streets uygha.

Thoughts?

>>1821404
I believe this just like I believe that Russians are going to launch ICBMs at Ukraine. Which is not going to fucking happen.

>>1821404
i spent a lot of time coming up with an insightful analysis of this piece of information and here it is: big if true

>>1821404
Peak delusion. Nothing ever happens

>>1821411
It's just like that ancient chinese proverb:

May nothing interesting happen in your times

>>1821408
No, it's more like warnings of a Russian invasion. Which did happen. Eventually. I was right about that one (conditionally). When Ukraine started attack Donbas, it was either now or later for Russia, and they chose "now".

With Iran, it is a "now or never" situation. And I'll predict… now. Except I'm not sore of the "how" - there are two countries in between it and Israel.

>>1821415
Iran is in Syria…

>>1821400
Iran can pose a threat to U.S. warships with a large numbers of nimble, inexpensive speedboats. But those are vulnerable to everything else. The U.S. destroyed Houthi speedboats recently using Seahawk helicopters that can carry machine guns or small rockets. Those dinky little carriers can also launch the helicopters. Iran also waged a "tanker war" with Iraq in the 1980s which drew in the U.S. which then destroyed the Iranian navy at the time. In a real conflict, there's no comparison – the Iranian navy would be destroyed. I'll bet you on that. Iran knows this. But can the U.S. really stop Iran if it was committed to disrupting shipping in the Persian Gulf? The answer is no. Iran could keep producing missiles and drones and launching them at ships and it could go on for years.

>>1821415
I think Iran wants to do… something. To Israel. But wants it to be a one-off thing in retaliation for the general.

>>1821417
They fund proxies and provide military advisors to both Iraq and Syria, yes. But lobbing missiles at each is kind of pointless, and moving your military and supply lines through another country is a completely different matter.

>>1821419
Well no one expected them to do anything but retaliate in kind. Of course they aren't sending forces into Israel. They need to use that super missile they have all the billboards for.

>400 seconds to Tehran to Tel Aviv
Time for a field test.

>>1821420
Any actual retaliation by Iran will be met with escalation. That's how US and its dogs operate. They need to prepare, and maybe even pre-empt it, rather than just send one back in response and get stuck in a game of chicken.

>>1821392
>it generally doesn't matter if ships "take the long way around" beneath Africa anyways, so it doesn't really effect global maritime trade as a whole.
wdhmbt, if a ship takes twice as long to travel then it has halved the amount it moves, you don't just find some new ships to make up for it down the back of the couch
btw if it drops without the Suez being opened this doesn't mean the situation is improving it's basically the same as German energy prices dropping (because the businesses that were buying it don't exist anymore)
>The biggest loser is really Egypt which loses out on Suez transit fees.
If Egypt starts to collapse then America's only remaining friends in the region are Israel and Jordan, given the Gulf States are pivoting away

>>1821350
its even worse now that theres drones and iran work with russia

despite the israelis adopting aspects of nazism for themselves (and this is undeniable, they got suppressed compassion, narcassism, might makes right, militarism, an us vs them mentality, a state of the art secret service, mass propaganda that the enemy is naturally dumb and easy to squash but also extremely dangerous) they seem to be missing the biggest aspect

building a stupid million dollar megaproject

nazoids tried to make tens of monuments to their superiority, why couldn't the israelis do the same?

>>1821298
>Literally the best thing Iran can do right now is just continue to let Israel writhe like a worm in the daylight. Israel is hoping to goad Iran into doing something retarded, just like they got goaded by the Qassamis.
I agree that's true but also the big problem Iran has is that if it does not respond then it becomes normalized for the IDF to strike Iranian diplomatic outposts.

>>1821429
Their superiority comes from Jew magic from the Jewish god. Only monument they need to build is the second temple and they are working on it.

>>1821431
>the second temple
blud didn't get the memo

>>1821431
They had almost a century and got like a fucking cow ramp done, lazy ass jews

>>1821310
>"The dead won't come back and neither will many of the prisoners."
El'oh'el. Smackdown.
>>1821355
How hard is it to get an account? Is there a verificaiton process? Seems an fun system to fuck with once in.
>>1821437
TBF they had to write up a whole bunch of canon and do fake archeology then had to research the tomes to find out what a heeffer was and then they had to get some.
It's a lot of work!

>>1821437
nazi projects in the east, especially ukraine weren't built because of soviet sabotage, the same thing is happening to zionists because their lebensraum is too small and sourrounded by enemies, they can't work on it fast with those palistenians saboteurs still around, israel is basically the kid trying to build a pyramid out of cubes and the palistenians are the based kids kicking it everytime he lays a cube

>>1821429
the third temple that some of these religious zionists want to built

zionazis do have a megastructure, but it's scrapped due to lack of billionaires schizo enough to invest in it, the more you read about it, the more it sounds like middle eastern Atlantropa

Hezbollah operations 04/12/2024:

14:30: targeting the "Misgav Am" site with appropriate weapons, achieving a direct hit.
16:10: targeting the Al-Marj site with appropriate weapons, achieving a direct hit.
17:05: targeting the Ruwaisat Al-Alam site in the occupied Kfar Shuba hills in Lebanon with artillery, achieving a direct hit.
17:10: targeting the Al-Samaqa site in the occupied Kfar Shuba hills in Lebanon with appropriate weapons, achieving a direct hit.
17:50: targeting the Karantina hill with artillery, hitting it directly.
19:10: launching an aerial attack with drones on the "Ramot Naftali" base, as a response to "israeli" attacks on steadfast southern villages and civilian homes, including the recent attacks on the towns of Al-Taybeh and Aita Al-Shaab.
20:00: targeting the "israeli" artillery positions in Zaoura with dozens of Katyusha rockets, in response to its attacks on steadfast southern villages and civilian homes, including the recent attacks on the towns of Al-Taybeh and Aita Al-Shaab.

>>1821414
Fake Chinese proverb invented by westerners.

It’s really crazy how far the news and US govt is going to not even acknowledge or inform anyone that the IOF bombed a diplomatic mission.

>>1821464
For days and right after the bombing happened German gov pretended that not only is there no evidence that the struck building was an embassy but also that they don't know who did it since there was no confirmation that it was Israel, lol

Settler attacks on the villages of Ramallah continue into the late night, with 5 more Palestinians being wounded in Abu Fallah, northeast of Ramallah. Settlers are now attacking Beitlo, northwest of Ramallah after their attacks on Mughayyir and surrounding villages.
The IOF is continuing to search for the settler who allegedly went missing this morning.

>>1821310
Irish support for palestine was kind of a given, spain did surprise me tho. Any other Euro Countries that aren't zioshills?

How many agents does mossad have in Iran?

>>1821491
bout tree fiddy

>>1821479
Belgian government to a great extent, to being under haeavy electoral pressure from anti-zionist parties.

>>1821496
Damn just 1 number off from 13 too…

>>1821491
WHERE IS THE NUMBERS STATION?

Iran has the right to defend itself against radical Jewish terrorism.

>>1821491
Let them bring it on then.

I'm worried that an Iranian attack on Isisrael will help the zionazis by making them "victims" again after their months-long genocide

>>1821496
w/e big if true etc

*clear throat*
*prepare paper*

DEAR Iran

please do in fact, attack the zionist entity, i have invested in lockheed martin, and if this week you relatiate, the zionists will go crazy and cry about a jewish genocide as usual, buy a hundred thousand lockheeds, causing the prices to increase, and giving returns on my investment that i could later fund a union with

you know you want to, just look at israel's breedable fake borders, don't you just want to shove a missile inside it?

sincerely, a burgeroid

>>1821517
Ok

>>1821520
Russia and Yemen have successfully sanctioned the west

>>1821520
socialism is when no iphone, zionism is when no samsung

The jews are up to something.

>>1821528
are the jews in cahoots?

>>1821531
Very much so.

anybody knows why the hell do "jewish secularists" or better yet, "jewish athiests" even exist in israel? if you're only ethnically jewish and don't believe in god at all, the world was made with chemicals and evolution, wouldn't that undermine the whole reason you're in israel? it was made as "the ancestral homeland given to us by god" so if that god does not exist, and moses was perhaps lying or insane, why stay in a land promised by no god?

>>1821533
I've heard the Israeli government (get this) is controlled by Jews.

>>1821541
get out of here, that's impossible, source?

>>1821534
the funny thing is there are haredim who are anti-zionist (for stupid schizo reasons). I don't know if the tunnel guys were but w/e

>>1821541
upvoted

>>1821544
>haredim who are anti-zionist (for stupid schizo reasons


They're anti zionist because Zionism is anti Jewish.

>>1821546
They are "anti zionist" because they are starting the zionist project too soon, not because they are against zionism.

Schizo reasons like he said. When the messiah comes then they will be in support of zionism.

>>1821546
it varies, some think zionism is making jews more in danger than safe, others think they have to wait for jesus christ to return first so they can properly create israel and expel all the amalik

>>1821546
You crossed the line man

if you press this button, Bibi and the entire cabinet gets the femur breaker, but you'll get the femur breaker too

>>1821555
I remember this thing from SCP lol

>>1821539
This goes into it. A lot of the founders of Israel were secular Zionists but they looked at the Bible as more as a history of the Jewish people in ancient times – told in a mythological way – which provided a convenient national mythos. Like, this is the traditional homeland of the Jewish people, and it's the only homeland they've ever had, so let's fight for it. That was the attitude. The superstitious stuff essentially didn't matter. A kind of critical Biblical history where they'd go out and look at archaeological sites and see what matched up and what didn't also became a fascination with these people.

That's how nationalism works. If dig around in the past and start pulling bookshelves off the shelf and mine them for historical myths to serve present-day purposes, or if not, invent one.

Also a big part of Labor Zionism that gets left out was the idea that Jews establishing a regime there and then living / working / fighting and dying by their own efforts. I think that was attractive at the time (especially coming out of the Holocaust) but there were some Jewish intellectuals who, if not anti-Zionist, were deeply skeptical of this project (I think Albert Einstein was one), because it's like okay, you guys are going to create a Jewish Sparta in the Middle East and basically be at constant war.

>>1821557
>you guys are going to create a Jewish Sparta in the Middle East and basically be at constant war.
that has to be the most accurate analogy of israel i heard, israel even has it's helots

>>1821553
My bad, the kwisatz haderach

>>1821559
7:10 in that video goes into the left-right politics of Israel back in the 50s too which is pretty interesting. From far-left communists to far-right fascists.

>>1821557
Einstein sad Zionism would cause the final shoah.

>>1821563
>From far-left communists to far-right fascists.
just like that? no purges or nothing? sounds too good to be real

>>1821566
He was won over to it eventually because he was good friends with someone who would become Israeli PM or president or whatever they have over there

>>1821549
>When the messiah comes

That's the point. In Judaism the messiah' coming is postponed indefinitely. Every messiah that comes is a false messiah.

>>1821588
moms gonna freak

Welp, today is Saturday, maybe the IDF will take a break from being blooddrunk animals for 24 hours?

>>1821597
They have shabbat sattelite phones for calling in airstrikes.

Does anyone know what social media this is? Sorry for the /pol/ profile pics and racial slurs (which I don't condone)

>>1821611
Poast

>>1821613
Thanks anon

>>1821520
Zionismsisters…. How many children do we have to kill to get ourselves out of this situation….

what

It fizzled

>>1821544
the tunnels were from a sect of chabad who are pro-zionist. t in fact the leader when he was alive told Netanyahu he was going to pave the way for the messiah which haunted him ever since even though Netanyahu isn't religious

US officials believe that Iran likely won't strike in broad daylight. Don't call it a fizzle yet.

>>1821773
>Please please please just attack now
Why do they want the Iranians to strike so badly

>>1821735
>>1821773

There cannot be a fizzle if it did not even begin

>>1821429
>despite the israelis adopting aspects of nazism for themselves (and this is undeniable, they got suppressed compassion, narcassism, might makes right, militarism, an us vs them mentality, a state of the art secret service, mass propaganda that the enemy is naturally dumb and easy to squash but also extremely dangerous)
None of that is fascism. Like, most of that is just what imperialists have been doing for centuries.

>>1821776
so israel can claim it's the victim again. when the media bothers reporting on the embassy strike they frame it as "iran is making israel feel unsafe" and maybe several paragraphs later they'll mention it's because israel blew up an iranian embassy

>>1821792
As if I care lol. I'm not even a socialist, it's just pretty funny watching you cite a dogshit source.

>>1821792
What's the current leadership in Iran like? Still reactionary and right-wing?

Iran navy just seized an Israeli tanker in the Hormuz strait.
Probably the biggest iranian response we could have expected.

>>1821803
A container not a tanker sorry

>>1821807
The funny thing is that you guys always call for violent revolution, yet are surprised when they get suppressed by the government. Why do you guys gotta complain when the government reacts accordingly?

>>1821805
Well shit

>>1821805
>hurr durr muh inter-imperialist conflict
Kill yourself CIA shill

saba7 el 5eir ya amar

>>1821819
ayo hold on, shouldn't it be

al maot al shamil li al liberaliyeen al gharbieen

what dialect are you?

>>1821824
ah ok i only know Standard Arabic
extremely basado filename

nothing ever happens

Come on, nuke Tel Aviv you pussies

>>1821805
Well, it's a capitalist country, but a little bit less retarded

>market economy
Yes, but heavily based on state companies and coops
>one of the largest stock markets in the world
true
>violent worker suppression
True, but some common goods are heavily subsidized, like transportation. Also billionaires get the knife here and there.
>capital exportation
Yeah, capitalism be like that unfortunately. Still not enough to call them imperialists though.
>funding reactionary death squads to kill leftists abroad
Can you give some examples? I didn't know that

Oh, apparently, Iran has captured an Israeli cargo ship?

>>1821898
Yes, but I don't think that's the response.

>>1821885
Gee, state companies AND subsidized transportation? They're almost a social democracy!

>>1821913
>They're almost a social democracy!
they unironically try to do so

there is no point anymore, they deleted my One Hour of palistenian Communist Music by GETchan; there is nothing beautiful in this world

there are two dogs inside of you, marxism is anti semetic, and judeo bolshevism

>>1821961
Love how rightoids are now so completely stupid they don't even put their contradictory ideas in different threads

>>1821975
yeah, that's that's the meme, you love to see it, the bigger question is how are both retarded comments are upvoted, people are unironically agreeing with both

>>1821978
It's like when /pol/ get mad at implying they're retarded with "hurr le /pol/ is one person" well I never see your contradictory ideas being used to argue against each other? Probably an entertaining way to wreck though, if there was anything to wreck.

>>1821959
I can find it both on youtube and internet archive ?

>>1821999
inb4 blocked in his own country lol

>>1821961
>Consitutional Conservative
One month away from being a hardcore national socialist.
femboy before end of the year.

kek

Did Israel turn into a crater yet?

>>1821823
wait theres a third 3raboid, I'm >>1821818

enta mn fen? (tab3an bayen 3laya masri)

>>1822060
>where are you from?
look at these images and you'll know where i'm from, i know there's an algerian and a lebanese girl from brazil here as well, this niche site has surprisingly a good arab user base

dear god look at this, why are we femboys online when they almost don't exist in here?

>>1821961
In the marketplace of ideas, you get to pick and choose why you agree with the ruling class. So many brands! So many flavors! you can try them all!

>>1822018

>very nice
propagandists ain't even trying anymore

oh yeah didn't oman have a commie revolution?

>>1822095
Propagandists Will start using chad soyjak memes in no time

so I see ww3 didn't break out… how dissapointing

>>1822112
dude it cant i got fuckin work tomorrow

Fizzle bros…
Not cool, not cool.
it does occur those two weeks, they are finally over.

Is it happening?

HAPPENINGS

If the opening shots to World War 3 actually happened while I was taking a nap then I swear to god I'm going to have a birth of cactuses out my asshole

>>1822173
Go back to bed. Those Shaheedsisters will take another four hours to arrive in Israel.

>some gay ass drones
I guess you could call that a happening

Heraniums are coming, zionists

Is the attack actually happening or is it bait?

Ok retards I need a Photoshop wizard to cook up an apology form, I need to apologize to the Ayatollah I didn't think he had the balls

>>1822180
It is happening, Israeli military spokesperson just confirmed it on Al Jazeera

>>1822180
Yes, there is an American tanker above iraq refuelling aircraft to attempt to shoot them down. Ballistic missiles won’t be launched until the drones get closer to Israel so that they arrive roughly the same time.

>>1822184
>Several drones
Oh wow, it's nothing.

so it's war?

>Iran can't even start a world war properly
Just another example of enshittification

>>1822187
>Some
Between 50 and 100 is not just some

FIZZLE GANG DID WE GET TOO COCKY?

>>1822190
Think of it as more of a skirmish

>>1822198
EVIDENCE
V
I
D
E
N
C
E

>>1822195
uygha they're gonna get swatted so easily. Iran may as well have done nothing.

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kguaGI7aZg

I'm no military expert but won't Israel have enough time to prepare defending itself against a bunch of drones that'll take like 8 hours to arrive? That's like boxing someone and seeing them wind up their punch at a snail's pace.

all chips on fizzle. nothing ever happens.

Iran has sent about 50 of their best drones to Occupied Palestine.

All supporting countries are going to fire off everything so that Iran can breach the Israeli anti air defense including the additional ones put in by the US. It is going to be interesting and this is the first direct attack on "Israel" by Iran.

https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

AND IRAN
IRAN SO FAR AWAY

>>1822211
But witnesses on the scene tell us that anon, alas, couldn't get away

Buying the metaphorical dip of $FIZZLE.
EZ trade. Don't @ me when I'm proven right.

>>1822202
>still thinks the Israeli military is competent
clueless.jpeg

>>1822212
But he ran all night and day?

Report: Iran begins attack on Israel, launching dozens of drones that’ll take hours to arrive
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-iran-begins-attack-on-israel-launching-dozens-of-drones-thatll-take-hours-to-arrive/
2 more weeks days hours

so iran has launched suicide drones but it will take like 9 hours for them to reach israel lol.

ANYONE GETTING SLEEPY
YAWWWNNNN
SO SLEEPY

Iraqis cheering a heran drone passing through

>>1822211
Bibiiiiii don't like it
Rock the kibbutz
Rock the kibbutz

>>1822221
Retard it's literally minutes away from impact

If this war escalates to something nuclear, I will absolutely die. But at the very least I will die doing what I love: telling fizzlers to get rekd

>>1822227
uygha you ain't gonna die. Nothing ever happens.

>>1822225
Yes, about 240 more minutes

>>1822214
Iran has to kill like a dozen generals in Israel tonight to break even.

>>1822224
Rock the chutzpah!
Rock the chutzpah!

>>1822227
If you have to work tomorrow I'm afraid nothing is happening

Drones are better then doing nothing, but Iran really needs to launch Shahab-3 MRBMs at all Zionist airbases in order to stop the Genocide of Gaza, though I will say that I am pleasantly surprised that they are directly attacking the Zionist State, LETS GO BOMB TEL AVIV, INSHALLAH, ✊😜🇵🇸🇮🇷🇸🇾🇱🇧🇮🇶🇾🇪🚀☢️!

Didn't we see something similar during the invasion of Ukraine where Russia launched a bunch of slow missiles and drones first to light up and drain AD before launching the real stuff

What's the missile/rocket that Iran said could reach Israel in 400 seconds?

>>1822203
>Thread theme:
You could say Iran and Israel are heading toward a (Jay-Z / Linkin Park voice) collision course

tomorrow is sunday, im im on drugs, and i cant even point to israel on a map

>>1822237
Actually I dont have work tomorrow, I work weekdays only…

>>1822241
As others have said above, first come the drones, then come the really good missiles

>>1822247
well, then something is happening isn't it?!??

PLEASE BLOW UP TEL AVIV

>>1822249
SIZZLESISTERS WE'RE GONNA FUCKING DIE

>>1822242
Idk about that one, I think they have one that can reach it in 12 minutes, which is more than enough

UDURUB UDURUB TEL AVIV

>>1822249
Something's always happening.
To put an example, right now it is happening that I'm stroking my dick in the thought of Israel being destroyed.

So, this is going to be Israel's first time I dealing with guided munitions I guess except the hez stuff a little in the north. Will Iran actually aim for some good shit? Dams, bridges, power plants, the knesset?

>>1822245
based

>>1822254
and a comrade doesnt get to see it?

>>1822256
The stuff Iraqi threw for the Gulf War wasn't guided?

>>1822256
probably low level military targets, as always the case. I hope airfields will get bombed.

There's also the possiblity that when drones enter Israel's airspace, there will be extra missile salvo

Al Jazeera live now, hop in
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

>>1822260
Ok first time in over 30 years.

https://coingape.com/crypto-market-crash-heres-why-bitcoin-eth-sol-xrp-shib-fell-sharply/

Israelis are selling off bitcoin lmao

>>1822263
No I'm asking cause I dont know

>>1822239
UDRUB UDRUB!

War!

What is it good for?

>>1822271
Defense industry

>>1822271
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
COME ON YALL

Cruise missiles fired on Isntrael, according to Israeli newspaper YNet.

I'M LITERALLY WRITING THIS FROM A PUBLIC AREA IN IRAQ AND I'M IGNORING CALLS FROM HOME BECAUSE I KNOW ITS A NOTHING BURGER
DEATH TO ISRAEL
DEAFH TO THEIR REACTIONARY LAPDOGS

>>1822259
TIE ME TO MISSILE AND LAUNCH ME TO TEL A VIV

>>1822277
you are saying this is nothing? compared to the Iranian modus operandi of patience and the waiting game?

Iranian drones are very good we know that much

>>1822277
ارجع على بيتك و قضي وقت مع أسرتك
مش مستاهلة والله

let me put down another line of ketamine you guys go ahead without me

Russia used volley after volley of a total of 4000 kamikaze drones so far against Ukraine which already had much of its most expensive air defenses disabled. One wave of a few dozen drones against a country fortified with functioning state-of-the-art US air defenses (better than the lower-end shit they sent to Ukraine) isn't going to do much, not compared to Israel's attack at least.

WW3!
WW3!
WW3!
WW3!
LET'S FUCKING GO

DRAFT!
DRAFT!
DRAFT!
WAR!

>>1822285
Absolute trooper. Your sarcifice won't be forgotten.

>>1822280
HOLY SHIT AN F 16 JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>1822271
making money off the thousands of dead soldiers

>>1822288
Someone had to do it, it's the only way
And a shoutout to 420chan