No.1825122
It is extremely depressing seeing the comment section of that youtube video being filled with retards mocking this legend.
He is not crazy, he is one of the few sane people left in this world.
No.1825124
>>1825122wasn't he just a gonzo russian shill though?
No.1825127
>>1825124Based texas man going to Ukraine to fight the fascists.
I doubt he killed anyone though, he is there probably for teaching purposes and moral support.
No.1825128
>>1825127I thought he was a 'reporter'
No.1825157
>>1825127He was involved in the airport fight in 2014 There were vids of him shooting at ukrops.
No.1825159
>>1825128He retired after being deployed for 2 years. That’s when he became a reporter.
No.1825177
>>1825172flag is expected
No.1825181
>>1825172Nah man, you are crazy. Stop being a nihilist pessimist on the internet
No.1825189
>>1825186
Says the Namefag
No.1825190
>>1825186>>1825185Obvius bait take to make anarchists look bad once again. Nothing new under the sun.
No.1825196
>>1825186>>1825172fill in the blank you morons, this will be on the test
Bait used to be
___.
A. believable
B. unbelievable
C. a little worm on the hook
D. all the underneath
E. all of the above
F. believable
G. K anon is my crush, I pray for K anon to stay safe
No.1825203
>NOOOO!!! YOU NEED TO SUPPORT FOOTSOLDIERS AND PROPAGANDISTS OF RUSSIAN/IRANIAN/CHINESE BOURGIE IMPERIALISM
No.1825208
>>1825203>muh Russian/Chinese imperialismCan we discuss what to do about the hippogriff problem yet? It seems like as good of a time as any to bring it up considering the topic of conversation is things that don’t exist
No.1825212
>>1825203>iranian imperialismthis, so much this
i stand with the brave israelis building socialism (not the violent tankie revisionism kind, think something like new deal under president roosevelt) in their kibbutzim while defending themselves against the imperialist iranian proxy khamas
No.1825214
>>1825203>>1825202>>1825192>>1825186>>1825172Its interesting, after a week of debating with those guys, they still spread the same type of misinformation for no reason, despite the best efforts of Leftypol.
They will just repeat the same opinions without never reflecting upon themselves, no evolution at all.
No.1825215
>>1825212>Iranian imperialismYou got to be joking man.
No.1825217
>>1825208>things that don’t existthe cobalt mines and kyiv civilians disagree
its funny how you cant deny iranian imperialsm after the escalation against israel
congrats on killing a bedouin child, lol
but you chauvinist third worldists will cheer on imperialism as long as it isnt white huh
No.1825220
>>1825217First of all it’s Kiev, stop using imperialist spellings any time. Second, the “cobalt mines” left anti-communists love to cry about are an industry like any other, one in which partnered with China sees the people of both nations receive the value of their labor. Some communist you are to argue that millions of people should be put out of work and rendered destitute because of your personal moral qualms. And finally, death to Israel, death to the Zionists, death to the Khazarian pigs who occupy Palestine
No.1825279
>>1825159He was doing some charity type work for families in the area as well.
>>1825172I mean he's ridiculous, blustering, lumpen ex-drug dealer who ran out of his clock in the U.S., but I respect adventurers like him.
No.1825287
>>1825217we got an angry KKKraKKKer
point and laugh
No.1825304
>>1825107Sounds realistic/like the M.O of Ukraine intelligence agencies.
Not sure what they think they've gained from this but that's the golden question we've all been periodically asking ourselves for the last decade.
No.1825314
>Mods doing nothing against obvious trolls
Many such cases
No.1825316
>>1825308Sorry but I don't agree we should support Russia just because of Azov.
No.1825318
>>1825279He only sold weed.
No.1825335
>>1825316It's not about "supporting Russia" but about opposing US imperialism. People reductively call this an inter-imperialist conflict, but what they're ignoring is that the US did several acts of aggression for severay years leading up to this.
1. They shielded fascists like Stepan Bandera and Yaroslav Stetsko from accountability for their role in the holocaust
2. They continually supported right wing Russia and Ukrainian expats who wanted to balkanize and decommunize the USSR.
3. They bankrolled yeltsin and they supported Yeltsin's undemocratic (even by bourgeois standards) dissolution of parliament, and they supported the looting and privatization of former Soviet economies in 1993.
4. They armed and trained reactionary Ukrainians prior to Euromaidan through front groups like the NED and they assisted Petro Poroshenko's right wing coup of the already right wing ukrainian govt. in 2014.
5. They ignored the Crimean referendum to become part of Russia and pretended it was just a rigged vote.
6. They instigated a civil war in Russia between the separatist regions and the Kyiv government.
7. They continued expanding NATO (14 separate times) since 1997 into former Warsaw Pact countries despite going back on their promises to Gorbachev who made it clear to them in secret talks in 1991 that NATO expansion was the "red line" and freezing NATO expansion was a precondition for dissolving the USSR.
8. And yes, on top of all of this, they re-nazified Ukraine to the best of their ability, while also smuggling an unprincipled neoliberal Jewish celebrity into the presidency to act as a friendly face for this regime so that people could not accuse it of being a nazi regime (vid highly related)
9. After the war started they destroyed the Nordstream 2 pipelines which Biden had made clear prior to the war was their target all along.
In the face of a civil war breaking out in Ukraine, on their border, instigated by the US intelligence agencies, and receiving requests for support from the separatist republics, it made geopolitical sense for Russia to intervene in the civil war, as a regional defense move, just like it made sense for Russia to come to the aid of the allied government in Kabul in 1979 when the USA was backing right wing Mujahideen. What the USA is doing is imperialism because they are instigating conflicts half a world away to seize natural resources and destabilize several post-soviet countries at once (including Ukraine, who is the biggest victim in all this). What Russia is doing is responding to US meddling and requests for help from the separatist Republics in Ukraine. That's the difference. And the separatist Republics in Ukraine aren't mere Russian puppets, they separated from the Kyiv government for a reason. Namely the oppression against ethnic Russians, who make up a majority of the Donbass region, and have for a long time. Donbass was only ever given to Ukraine by Lenin for administrative reasons of combining industry with agriculture.
No.1825337
>>1825335>>1825316(continuing from the effortpost)
let me put it his way. if you bullied someone in subtle ways every day, for years, and one day they finally punched you in the face, everyone would see them as the aggressor, even though you had been committing invisible acts of aggression for years. That is the situation with Russia. They appear as the aggressor on a surface level, ignoring the decades of historical context leading up. The USA is a master of this sort of "subtle" provocation. They poke and they poke and they poke. Then, when the bear they are poking roars, they scream and yell and call for help and demand everyone denounce the bear.
No.1825339
>>1825337>if you bullied someone in subtle ways every day, for years, and one day they finally punched you in the face, everyone would see them as the aggressor, even though you had been committing invisible acts of aggression for years.Okay I get that but your description doesn't make it seem like a strategically sound plan.
No.1825342
>>1825339It doesn't seem like a strategically sound plan for who, in this case?
No.1825347
>>1825342Russia. Seems more acting on irredentist impulses than anything else. Zelensky also strikes me as a tragic figure more than anything. He feels authentic to me in whatever he does. He's a native Russian speaker who was popularly elected on a dove-ish platform. He was less popular in the western part of Ukraine. He abruptly changed from dove to hawk. What made it happen: Putin's intransigence, pressure from securitocrats and ultra-nationalists, and influence of westerners and Eastern Europeans – probably all of those.
No.1825350
>>1825347>Russia. Seems more acting on irredentist impulses than anything else.Perhaps, but at the same time the alternative is to just allow the United States to slowly encircle them with a "defensive" military alliance that they aren't allowed into (seriously, they tried to join in 1956 when they were still the USSR, and then again in the early 2000s, and were denied both times) which would result in hostile nuclear weapons being placed a very short distance away from their capital. If it reached that point they would be forced to give into whatever demands the US wanted or face… whatever the US and its allies are willing to do. Realistically I don't think it would come to a nuclear exchange, we would probably stop short of that, but at the same time I think, from a strategic perspective they had no good options and took the least bad one. They say "if you can't beat them, join them." Well it's also true in verse. If you can't join 'em, beat 'em. The US wouldn't let them join NATO, and are slowly encircling them with NATO. What else are they supposed to do? There are many in Washington who openly salivate at the idea of balkanizing Russia into a bunch of ethnostates while using pseudo-progressive decolonization rhetoric to justify it. Same with China. Free Taiwan. Free Ukraine. Free This. Free That. It's always about building a comprador ethnostate that's friendlier to foreign capital.
No.1825352
>>1825350Ukraine isn't any closer to Moscow than Latvia is.
No.1825358
>>1825350>The US wouldn't let them join NATO, and are slowly encircling them with NATO. What else are they supposed to do?I agree with most of that, the West never offered a viable project for Russia's integration into Europe. Russophobia and ignorance about Russia from the Cold War generation contributed heavily to that, and most Russians see the integration of other Eastern European countries as imperial divide-and-rule tactics.
>There are many in Washington who openly salivate at the idea of balkanizing Russia into a bunch of ethnostates while using pseudo-progressive decolonization rhetoric to justify it.I don't think that is the actual policy though at the elite level. George H.W. Bush and most of his cabinet didn't even like the idea of Ukraine becoming independent when the USSR cracked up. Kind of a spaceship of Gunther Fehlinger types who act as the equivalent of Russian talking heads who boast about launching a pre-emptive nuclear attack on NATO. There's a cottage industry in the West now of curating those barking-mad clips from Russian T.V. and suggesting that's the norm instead of a perverse mix of conspiracy theory and entertainment which drowns out discussion and makes the actual shot callers seem more reasonable.
Anyways someone should probably check on Bentley if he's not dead in a ditch somewhere with shots in the back of the head.
No.1825382
>>1825347>Seems more acting on irredentist impulses No, it simply took a forceful response after it had exhausted every other measure and attempt to bring peace to Ukraine and end it's terrorization of the DNR and LNR while preventing it from joining NATO due to the latter being a strategic threat to Russia.
>What made it happen: Putin's intransigence Putin was open to discussing options, Zelensky is the one that had a heel-face turn with Minsk 2.0 out of the fucking blue, (or rather out of cocaine-fueled pressure from neo-nazi government and military members.
>tragic figureThe guy is literally laundering money, both that of the Ukrainian people and Western Aid money, and pocketing it. He has continued to fight an unwinnable war for no reason other than kowtowing to NATO.
No.1825385
>russia? irredentist
>putler? he's intransigent
<zelensky tho? le tragic figure, he's authentic and had no option but to wage total krieg against russia
epic analysis from the gay nazi, stay tuned for more
No.1825387
>>1825358>I don't think that is the actual policy though at the elite level Look up the Helsinki Commission. The US government has been attempting to do this on a geopolitical level for decades. Why do you think they support niche ethno-nationalists in Russia?
>George H.W. Bush and most of his cabinet didn't even like the idea of Ukraine becoming independent when the USSR cracked up Because Bush Senior wasn't a complete fucking retard and genuinely wanted a weakened Russia that could be a capitalist economic partner, in part because he recognized and understood how Russian society would otherwise react to such actions by the USA, and predicted it would cause Russia to put its guard up, relative to the USA's intentions. The intervention with Yeltsin in 1993 only solidified this.
>Russian talking heads who boast about launching a pre-emptive nuclear attack on NATO. Stop watching Russian liberal meme channels.
No.1825388
>>1825382>He has continued to fight an unwinnable warAny war is unwinnable if you don't fight. I stopped taking you guys seriously when you said (a) Russia wouldn't invade and then (b) it'd be over in two days.
No.1825391
>>1825387>Stop watching Russian liberal meme channels.I don't interpret what those T.V. clowns say as reflecting Kremlin policy or think Putin wants to launch some attack on NATO. That's crazy.
No.1825392
>>1825388>Any war is unwinnable if you don't fightThe Ukrainians may be getting beaten badly by the fairly limited Russian contingent, but they are fighting.
>I stopped taking you guys <Everyone on leftypol is the same person that thinks the same things as a single human giant Stopped reading there. Here's a final (You) now, go back
No.1825394
>>1825388 (fitting hitlerite digits)
>Any war is unwinnable if you don't fightthe point is that it would be a smaller loss (not to european and american oligarchs, of course) to not throw more lives and resources away in this war, plus russia offered a peace deal last year that ukraine will never have the benefit of receiving again since russia is in a much better position now
No.1825395
>>1825392Well then let me ask you, did you think Russia would invade? It was practically groupthink at the time, it was all American propaganda, blah blah blah. Then immediately once Russia did, it was "this is justified." The tragedy is the liberal warhawks in Washington will never let anyone forget that they were right.
No.1825397
>>1825395>it was all American propagandabecause it was
then ukraine went full throttle on the ceasefire violations and threatened russia with acquiring nuclear weapons 2 days before the start of the SMO
No.1825398
>>1825397You sound like a George W. Bush fan who was convinced Saddam had WMDs, or a Nazi propagandist during WWII talking about Polish border violations or the oppression of Germans in the Sudetenland. That is as justifiable a reason as this is.
No.1825401
>>1825398you sound like a complete faggot and any sane society would have you imprisoned and forced into reeducation for comparing zelensky talking about acquiring nukes to america making up blatantly fake shit to invade iraq, or people resisting being bombed by the kiev regime in the donbass to the nazi's expanding their terror to eastern europe
No.1825403
>>1825347>Zelensky also strikes me as a tragic figure more than anything. He feels authentic to me in whatever he does. He's a native Russian speaker who was popularly elected on a dove-ish platform.This is an incredibly charitable view of him. Guy performed for Ukrainian troops in Donbass and made fun of Crimeans being left without water as part of his routines before he even considered a political career. And while he was the "peace" candidate compared to Poroshenko, his idea of peace was Russia conceding everything and Ukraine doing nothing - he said that Donbass and Crimea must return to Ukraine from day 1, and his further actions (or rather inaction) regarding the Minsk accords confirm it. He wasn't a dove, he was a chickenhawk to Poroshenko's hawk on meth. The real peace candidate was Boyko.
No.1825486
I've been following Donbass years before le "invasion". Texas stands head and shoulders above the vast majority of the Western "Left"; a chad among virgins. If we had more people like him and less theorylets, shitposters and blatant NATO shills, the world would be a better place. May he rest in peace and may the Neo-Nazi scum that did this to him meet their end soon.
No.1825529
>>1825508Is this real? Please anyone, this got to be a joke. No way they did it to him
No.1825592
>>1825107Jfc. There is also reporting that he was beheaded. If this is true this follows in line with the allegations of how Russia was behind the killings of many of the og Donestk resistance fighters. Tragic, he really believed in thier bullshit "SMO", well, he got what he got, and I think he knew what was coming, at least the risk. I say bring the cowboy back, bury him at home with a big red ussr flag flying high in the middle of some texan cemetary to own the imperialist dead. He was too good for them. Rip.
No.1825594
>>1825398I wonder who you are, gay nazi. What are your politics? Are you doing this genuinely or disingenuoisly? What are your motivations in making obviously wrong points that don't take root day after day? The one consistent thing is being negative towards Russia, you don't express your own ideas much. While accusing people of being bots is fine and dandy, you seem to be too far on the effortpost side to be one. The gay nazi flag doesn't make much sense in that context, either. You also seem to know Russian.
Whatever citizenship you have, your worldview is critically divorced from reality and you seem to understand this on some level, hence the flag.
No.1825601
>>1825594i think he's just a burger who reads way too many pro-ukr/rus-lib telegrams
No.1825627
>>1825592He could still be alive. If it's true, these soldiers might not have even known who he was, they just saw an American at the site of a rocket attack. But we'd just be speculating.
>>1825594I'm an American. A plain, simple, muddled, fat-headed human being. We have them here you know. I just don't get the Russia defense-ism. Like, Assad defense-ism is honestly more understandable to me than people who get fully Z-pilled over the invasion of Ukraine because at least in Syria it was clear by 2015 that the opposition had lost any capability to be a governing force even if they won. But to be frank, Russian policy looks like it has done everything since 2014 to turn a country that had a 93% positive view of Russia before the annexation of Crimea into one just historically opposed. I think it's madness.
If you're on the Latin American left, though, and are working pragmatically with the alliances you have, I don't think you can be really faulted on this. But the idea the invasion represents some sort of righteous blow on behalf of the Global South makes little sense to me. Rhetorically the Z-gang reminds me of people here who supported the invasion of Iraq, like 70% of Russian state media rhetoric during the first two months of the invasion were copypasted from George Bush.
>>1825601I don't use Telegram. Really it's kind of a sad situation for Russian liberals who make the sacrifice to leave Russia because they don't like the war, and then immediately face the reality that the only people in the West who share their values are, like, a tiny number of marginalized people who don't feel at home in their own country. Like they really believe in some sort of brotherhood of nations in Europe or that the West upholds some form of international standards, and not realize these sorts of things were pioneered by the Soviet Union (a part of their history which they find embarrassing).
No.1825629
>>1825627KILL. DEMOCRATS.
No.1825683
>>1825627Nah, your points go beyond regular "I don't support SMO". You're consistently negative about Russia on all issues, and you don't talk about western states or China this way. It could be out of some desire to balance the discourse out, but it still flies in the face of reality more often than not. Even in this thread. We have, as a matter of fact, seen Putin try to put Donbass into Ukraine three separate times over 8 years. We have, as a matter of fact, seen western leaders admit it was all their plan to fool Russia and prepare the current slaughter of Ukrainians. We have, as a matter of fact, seen Ukrainian leaders admit they never wanted peace. It's utter madness to call the one presiding over this planned slaughter a "tragic character". He is the one who caused more than 700.000 tragedies. You are either deliberately trolling or under so much western propaganda influence I'm not even talking to a person, but to a bunch of magazine articles.
Are the bootlickers correct? No. But just because they ignore reality to lick the boot doesn't mean you should do the same to lick the other boot. The very idea of justifying people dying for the state under which they were always dying out at 300.000 per year is disgusting and against any kind of materialist worldview.
No.1825694
>>1825683>He is the one who caused more than 700.000 tragedies.> the state under which they were always dying out at 300.000 per yearHow many people have died in the Ukraine war?
I am mostly sure that since October the conflict in gaza, the deadliest war in 21st, has more then 50000 casualties for the palestinian civilians.
700.000 casualties in the Russian war seems too much, maybe i readed it wrong, NTA.
I ask this because i still did not searched who is targeting and killing more civilians/infra in the Ukraine/Russia war
No.1825700
>>1825683>You're consistently negative about Russia on all issues, and you don't talk about western states or China this way.Putin is more obviously engaged in a right-wing project than Xi but I think that's secondary to the whole war thing.
>He is the one who caused more than 700.000 tragedies.War is organized murder (it's also mutually destructive, including psychologically) and I don't think it's possible to square this genuinely nauseating statistic with the fact that it escalated to that number after Putin ordered his army to invade Ukraine. Like it's just weird to me how the Russian system operates and I see it reflected in these narrative all the time, it refuses to take any responsibility for its own excesses. There's a strange improvisational quality to it. But that's different from a well thought-out strategy, and it was obvious there was little overall planning that went into this thing, just a lot of nutty shit coming from the Russian foreign policy establishment that's reminiscent of the neocons in 03 when they were really high on their own supply, and thought they were going to reshape the whole world, yet their soldiers weren't welcomed with flowers.
Also there's a book drawing analogies between American neoconservatism and Russian neo-eurasianism that some people here might get a kick out of:
<This innovative study presents an in-depth political and sociological analysis of the internal power politics and imperial forms developed by the Russian neo-eurasianists and the neo-conservatives in the United States. It traces the growth of nationalism and the concept of 'Empire' in relation to the ideologies and foreign policy of both Russia and the USA. Beginning with a genealogy of the two movements, the authors present the intricacy of imperial rhetoric and nationalist ideologies in modern states compared with the distinctive definition of Empire as a politico-historical form. The extent to which these ideas have shaped the foreign policy of Russia and the USA is then related to events in Central Asia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. The analysis of each case provides a better understanding of the imperial character of these foreign policies in relation to their nationalist foundations. The combination of political theory and geopolitics makes this cutting-edge research a must read to all interested in the evolving discourse surrounding Empire.https://books.google.com/books/about/When_Empire_Meets_Nationalism.html?id=EQlaokKxLY4C
>The very idea of justifying people dying for the state under which they were always dying out at 300.000 per year is disgusting and against any kind of materialist worldview.Pretty sure rolling tanks into somebody else's country has a material effect which results in changes in the ideological superstructure: Ukrainian attitudes are downstream from Putin's decision to invade them. I don't expect them to be all that rational. I don't think Westerners watching r/combatfootage snuff have that excuse. Anyways, I think things will probably work out in the long term.
No.1825701
>>1825627For us, it's simple, it absorbs a vast quantity of NATO munitions and manpower.
Of course any right-headed person knows exactly what the Russian adventure in Ukraine is, which is the destruction of a nation (the Ukrainians are nearing the brink of collapse as their society can't withstand the mobilization costs, whereas the Russians can) with many non-combatant casualties, but it's acceptable because it's essentially tying down NATO's ability to intervene elsewhere.
No.1825703
>>1825701Same as above.
But if you want polite society excuses, the Russians were provoked by NATO expansion into their former sphere, NATO broke a de facto agreement not to expand into the former Soviet sphere, etc etc etc…
For the Russians, it's also an excellent opportunity for them to reorganize and obtain experience in modern warfare, since they're only fighting NATO-lite, a NATO-backed proxy state with NATO equipment / hand-me-downs.
There is also the fact that if Russia loses, and this is what Neo-cons have been demanding for decades, Russia will become much less capable of financing or supporting resistance to global imperialism.
***
So, yeah. This entire war is a mess, but Russia can't be allowed to lose, and Russia is actually winning at this point.
No.1825704
>>1825627lol that nkrz guy is such an idiot. He literally bought the western liberal freedom bullshit and now he is paying the consequences lmao.
No.1825705
>>1825592There’s zero evidence that he was beheaded. That’s literally just bullshit made up by NAFO faggots foaming at the mouth with glee that he is dead.
No.1825723
It's like… people are just tools, y'know? You can exploit them for the purposes of profit or you can exploit them for the purposes of war. You can fly a dozen different flags or say it's in the name of whatever ideology, but that's what it is.
No.1825728
>>1825723The thing is, as long as the great majority of people who die in this war are soldiers,
(and i don't know if that is the case), then is not something to worry about.
Soldiers are, and you might agree with this statement, believers in "killpeopleism".
As you have said:
>"You can fly a dozen different flags or say it's in the name of whatever ideology, but that's what it is." (Of course we are not talking about left/socialist ideologies, since those fight for the liberation of humanity)
So, you know, they kill people who want to kill people. Soldiers killing soldiers, do you understand what i mean? Soldiers dying for one nation against the other, you see? At least we are getting something out of it, making US spend billions in the war.
Not trying to disrespect any of the war sides, just thinking some random thoughts, sorry.
Russia is winning the economic war and gaining a lot of experience, so that they can better help the resistance movements in the world. They are obliged to do it, even if it is against their wishes, and this is important.
Don't trying to be cynical here.
Civilians of course, should never ever die in war, under any circumstances, at least in my radlib opinion, not based in any war knowledge.
But if some imperialists exploiters die in this or that war, well, i cant fell bad for them man.
"They died doing what they like", "they died for what they believed", or something among those idealist lines.
People should not be forced to fight in wars.
This thing i wrote doesn't make sense, i will post it anyway.
No.1825743
>>1825740cool stuff, i will look at those tomorow, now i need to study to the exam i will have also tomorow.
No.1825744
>>1825627>Rhetorically the Z-gang reminds me of people here who supported the invasion of Iraq, like 70% of Russian state media rhetoric during the first two months of the invasion were copypasted from George Bush. This Iraq-Ukraine comparison is falling flat. They are not comparable. Iraq was justified because they had WMD(they didn't) and Saddam had connections to Al-Quada(he didn't). Russia had NATO on the doorsteps and a maverick Ukraine adamant on destroying every treaty. You still haven't addressed that and continuing to use Iraq when it doesn't apply
No.1825746
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
-Not a quote by Stalin
No.1825761
Okay so it’s been confirmed by his wife on Telegram that he was brutally abducted by 5th Brigade Russian tankers. This is just my theory but I think those Russian tankers murdered him because he was an American and they didn’t know who he was. After they killed him they probably realized they screwed up and now are trying to cover it up and deny any involvement.
No.1825763
>>1825761They would have let him go by now if he was still alive. He could easily prove that he is not with the Ukrops. That’s why I think he is dead.
No.1825794
>>1825728>So, you know, they kill people who want to kill people. Soldiers killing soldiers, do you understand what i mean? Soldiers dying for one nation against the other, you see? At least we are getting something out of it, making US spend billions in the war.I don't have grudges against the soldiers though. Like I make fun of Putin and call him a criminal but I don't say that about Russian soldiers even if they believe in what they're doing. Like, I can't bring myself to see some guy getting droned as my enemy. It's just a waste of human life. It's not worth any dollar amount and it's hard to think of something more dehumanizing than that. But that's what war does to people.
>Civilians of course, should never ever die in war … But if some imperialists exploiters die in this or that war, well, i cant fell bad for them man. The war is being waged *by* imperialist exploiters, and they're exploiting human beings to do it. Think about this idea: the civilians and soldiers must unite against the exploiters of *all* countries.
>>1825744>This Iraq-Ukraine comparison is falling flat. They are not comparable. Iraq was justified because they had WMD(they didn't) Someone made the WMD claim in this thread. There was also the biolabs story but the Russian administration didn't even make that case until after the war started. The best case is some neorealist argument but you can make the same argument for the U.S. dominating the Western Hemisphere (and Mearsheimer does) to keep out Russian and Chinese influence. That's the basis for the U.S. embargo of Cuba, which I think is criminal. Like how this is not theoretically different from wartime nationalism, that nations are in a state of constant conflict to seek advantage at each others' expense? Or simply a naked vehicle for the specific, intellectualized nationalisms of the war-loving elites of a tiny subset of nations whose members are pretty easy to puzzle out
No.1825798
>>1825794>Someone made the WMD claim in this threadzelensky himself said it, 2 days before the SMO btw
https://kyivindependent.com/zelenskys-full-speech-at-munich-security-conference/how is zelensky himself saying this comparable to america making up fake shit at the UN to invade iraq?
>There was also the biolabs storywhich were also real, cope retard
No.1825799
>>1825761it would be crazy for this guy to immigrate to the donbass and support their cause for years only to get clapped by the russians. no shit they wouldn't want that to get out.
No.1825800
>>1825794>Think about this idea: the civilians and soldiers must unite against the exploiters of *all* countries.We are very, very far away from this "union" happening. Even then, i still don't think civilians should partake in any military offensive strategy that puts their lives in danger. They should at least get proper training in the figthing against "all countries", but then they will not be civilians anymore, maybe militias, but not civilians.
Either way, civilian armies are not that good, insurgency is the way of our era.
No.1825806
>>1825801NTA but I remember someone (Nuland?) speaking before US congress acknowledging the biolabs and saying the order was given to destroy all materials, just in case. Not that I believe in the "anti-slav virus" or whatever the propaganda ended up going with. But outsourcing dual-use biological research to doesn't seem that far fetched to me.
No.1825810
>>1825801>no responde to the zelensky quote>flimsy comparison to america that doesn’t hold up to any scrutinylmao nice one retard
fascists in ukraine will continue to be slaughtered and you spamming this board with your liberal dogshit will do nothing to change this outcome
No.1825843
>>1825801>No argumentConcession accepted, go back to /uhg/
No.1825850
>>1825127he didnt fight the fascists. he inserted himself into some random nationalist conflict to fulfill his redneck boogaloo fantasies
No.1825955
>>1825398These aren't analogous at all except on a surface level. CIA has been meddling in Ukraine since 1953, and America has been expanding NATO eastward since 1997, with no signs of letting Russia in. Using your intelligence agencies to destabilize post-soviet neighbors and pit them against each other is America's doing. Putin is not GWB looking to invade a country on the other side of the planet for oil, he is resisting destabilization from NATO. I don't think he's based. I think he's a bourgeois nationalist politician acting in the best interests of his government, but it's not the same level of predation as GWB in Iraq.
No.1826566
>>1825850Just because you're mad he was an actual communist taking real action and you're not, doesn't make your slander truer.
No.1826656
>>1826655>I mvst pvrge this vvoman for vvearing the vvrong headvvearleast deranged stalincel
No.1826659
>>1825107He probably killed himself, he was losing it the last time I checked in on his social media accounts 10 months ago. He was piss drunk in like every video I saw. Granted this was at the point in the war where Russia was losing ground every day and the fighting had literally driven him from his home, but I suspect his mental never recovered even after things turned around for Russia
No.1826683
>>1826680ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.
J. V. Stalin
Constitution (Fundamental law) of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/12/05.htm No.1826686
>>1826683Clearly wasn't enough since Christian Orthodoxy is back on the rise after revisionism took over.
Next time we have to try harder.
No.1826801
>>1826734"compared to lenin, stalin was a lamb" - paraphrasing molotov
No.1826802
>>1826686persecuting religions just make them stronger
No.1826803
>>1825347it's not a strategically sound plan for the US either considering Russia was open to joining NATO and only ever opposed NATO expansion once the door was closed to them and they saw a military alliance encircling them
No.1826804
>>1825352It's not just about closeness but terrain and air space. Ukraine is a more strategically viable hub for fucking with Russia's capital than Latvia is.
No.1826932
>>1826571Hasan sucks. Not sure why people worship him.
No.1828037
So any news? I sort of broke the news in the /ukraine/ thread but I only found out recently myself so I got nothing.
No.1828053
>>1826932gooners and gamers like him
No.1828073
>>1828037The best source of news right now is the Russell Texas Bentley Telegram channel. His wife has been posting there. There has been no updates on his whereabouts.
No.1828930
>>1828073>The best source of news right now is the Russell Texas Bentley Telegram channel.Can I get a link please, I lost it.
No.1828934
>>1825761He might still be alive in hospital if they gave him a similar interrogation to the mall terrorists.
No.1828952
>>1825799>immediately believing potential ukroid OSINT disinformation being mindlessly repeatedI love this Internet Website. Look, I can admit it would be funny if a #2 ball removal retard in Donbas went for Bentley and I can see what bullshit this is
No.1828957
Ack
No.1828985
>>1828957Did he even say anything to offend you? or do you just hate him because he sided with Russia
No.1829058
>>1828952>would>wouldn'tDo you understand the definition of these words?
Also see
>>1828942RIP to a real one.
No.1829088
>>1825761Screencap? Proof? It feels doubtful because the 5th Brigade Tank operators aren't new Russian troops, they were part of the Donbass paramilitary groups.
No.1829178
>>1829088>>1829175 Here his wife posted this on the Telegram.
No.1829179
>>1829175Just to throw in wild speculation for no reason what if Lancaster and Bentley are glowies?
No.1829189
>>1828942There’s no confirmation on the Official Telegram page. Also no body yet.
No.1829232
>>1829189>Chairman of the Public Chamber of the DPRIs this guy credible. That post seems insightful if he is.
No.1829235
>>1829179Why would glowies send Bentley to do what he was doing? What purpose would that serve them? The situation is dubious, he is probably dead, and it's unclear who is at fault.
>wild speculation for no reasonOh yeah totally. Not at all related to the relentless fellating of Russia surrounding the topic on this site. It couldn't be that some wires got crossed or there was paranoia about foreign agents, or anything like that. The guy who spent years supporting Donetsk and Luhansk was maybe actually an operative, he was a westerner after all. But I get it, you're Just Asking Questions. His body's not even cold and already we're here speculating if maybe actually it's good he died because nothing bad ever happens and nobody ever makes mistakes or commits crimes in war (not our guys at least).
No.1829253
>>1829175Which 5th Brigade!? She doesn't specify tankers
But at least he's still alive as far as we know.
>>1829235 Calm down you passive-aggressive. Obviously Bentley and Lancaster aren't glowies and obviously paranoia about foreign agents is probably the cause of this BS but don't be disingenuous, there's been a lot of unproven or untrue accusations about Russian Forces over the war by glowies and liberals, so someone unfamiliar with Russell could postulate this hypothesis. NTA BTW.
No.1829254
I guess there is the nonzero chance he's been kidnapped and his wife is being used to demoralize and smear the Russians' names by holding him hostage.
No.1829260
>>1829235Are you offended by a thought experiment lol? Iron Felix did nothing but jerk this guy off, I have to.
It's because they're both Americans, I have it out for expats as I'm becoming one within months for work.
>why would the glowies send bentley to do what he was doingBecause Bentley and Lancaster were huge Prigozhin fags if you already forgot.
Why would they want to embed a guy deep in Donetsk as a media figure? Same reason they have Abby Martin doing her thing. Total battlesphere control. Monopolize everything, including what people who have oppositional politics seek out. Own media assets who are granted unprecedented access to the enemy like The Grayzone.
No.1829262
Multiple Russian/pro-Russian sources are reporting his death but no word from his wife on his official channel yet
No.1829267
>>1829253>there's been a lot of unproven or untrue accusations about Russian Forces over the war by glowies and liberals, so someone unfamiliar with Russell could postulate this hypothesis.That hypothesis would be assuming Russian forces
did kidnap or kill him, taking the narrative at face value and extrapolating it to smear him as a foreign subversive. The reasonably skeptical response would be to assume that the narrative that Russians did it is fake and that something else happened. The hypothesis that he's a glowie is both credulous of claims against Russia and quick to smear an ally as a traitor based on no evidence about them, and only speculation about other people. It's the kind of thing someone would say if they either thought the accusations were true or if they were some kind of glowie trying to sow fbi.gov. Not that this describes
you, nor do I blame you for giving the other anon the benefit of the doubt. It's an underhanded, vicious, and deceptive thing to post, but meant to cause infighting, confusion, and paranoia. Exactly the kind of paranoia about foreign agents you mention.
No.1829271
>>1829267pure annoyingposting from me actually, it's created an argument over whether my argument is saving face for the russians or the opposite. that's the level of retarded Just Asking Questions we're on, I really was Just
No.1829272
>>1829260>oh actually it's not wild speculation I really do think Bentley was a glowie>Abby Martin too, and the GrayzoneAnd with a little pushback you reveal yourself.
I guess the glowies are big mad that they don't actually control the entire narrative and have to pretend like they do and that the dissent breeding against them is actually their own 4D chess.
No.1829273
>>1829262No body, no evidence of what actually happened to him. So we don’t know for sure yet. NAFOids are making up a bunch of bullshit about him that’s completely false. Like that he was decapitated or that he killed himself.
No.1829282
>>1829272Are you really caffeinated or something? I read The Grayzone all the time, Klarenberg's good, but Mate's sussy and Blumenthal is definitely a glowie. Abby Martin and the widely acclaimed speaker, writer, journalist, and political analyst Caleb Maupin both came out of the RT incubator and I bet they got sent out there to build up cred.
Martin spent an incredible amount of energy in 2022 trying to link Ukraine's struggle to exterminate Russians despite pushback with Palestinians trying to resist ongoing genocide. Maupin is just the more overt informant type with the sex trafficking and the cult. He's a lite Manson.
Let me shitpost on this man's grave!!! This site is hardly a place to spread messages. This is an oubliette
No.1829291
Oh hey, I think I just blustered past a more coherent explanation by mistake. Am I over exaggerating what big Prigozhin fags that Bentley and Lancaster were? is it possible that some segment of the Russian military has beef with them over that?
No.1829296
>>1829260>Bentley and Lancaster and The Grayzone.>US glowiesEntirely retarded or pushing an agenda. It is inconceivable that Russian intel wouldn't be aware. There is no possibility that they would allow allow US intel assets to operate within their borders in this context.
>Are you offended by a thought experiment lol?No, just uninformed retards.
No.1829297
>>1829291>Bentley>A WagneriteAre you high?
>LancasterHe almost exclusively worked with soldiers in the field, why do you think the majority of Wagner troops were re-integrated into the Russian army?
No.1829299
>>1829271>I was pretending to be retardedBut why?
>>1829267 Fair enough lad
No.1829301
>>1829297>>1829296I just feel the need to make insanely bad takes about Russia, I made a bunch of horrible takes during the Prigozhin debacle.
To be honest I don't watch youtube and because a huge Prigozhin-fellatio enjoyer kept recommending these burgers to me I assumed they were part of the Russian doomer complex. Definitely saw a lot of doomer posts from Lancaster but not Texas.
>>1829299No, I'm just willingly sharing posts I know are retarded.
No.1829311
>Are you really caffeinated or something?
>Oh hey, I think I just blustered past a more coherent explanation by mistake.
>Are you high?
>I just feel the need to make insanely bad takes
about Russia,
>I'm just willingly sharing posts I know are retarded.
retard/glow/provocateur live ITT.
No.1829328
>>1829311I don't give a shit about post quality, I was hoping for more background information on these guys. Yes I knowingly posted about shit I am ignorant abt and clarified as we went thru it what I didn't know 🤷♂️
So you think it's ridiculous that someone would question whether a journalist could possibly serve a dual role as a spy and doomer signal jammer, but it's completely reasonable for a random poster on an imageboard with a population of 30 to be a glowie?
No.1829334
>>1829328>Yes I knowingly posted about shit I am ignorant abt and clarified as we went thru it what I didn't know 🤷♂️how about instead you lurk the fuck moar or ask for a QRD on stuff instead of making shit up
No.1829351
>>1829331>The Guardian I'm not believing that shit until someone posts real proof. The guardian claims that "X said this" all the time and it's usually rubbish.
No.1829358
>>1829331Why can't good things ever happen
No.1829380
>>1829278She is wearing a black headscarf, which is a bad sign considering how pious she is.
No.1829686
>>1829253>Which 5th Brigade!? She doesn't specify tankers 5th Guards Tank Brigade I think. Buryat outfit.
>>1829351The quoted RT EIC Margarita Simonyan. I think he's dead, Jim.
No.1829711
Why would the Russians do this?
No.1829778
Why exactly did Iron Felix get banned when Gay Nazi is literally just a straight up fascist who goes around celebrating the death of communists with a shit-eating grin? Is it because he is an /isg/tard
No.1829784
>>1828985so mad over an ack
No.1829794
Someone should make and submit a banner in honor of Texas.
No.1829800
>>1829794Why honor an agent of the bourgeois?
No.1829825
>>1829800the bourgeoisie dumbass. At least learn the words Agent uyghur
No.1829841
May he rest in peace
No.1829880
>>1829778there’s also an ancap that shits every other thread with mudpie-tier arguments. why are they allowed to stay?
simple, it’s because the mods are retarded
No.1829904
Rest in power freedom fighter
No.1829941
>>1829778>Gay Nazi is literally just a straight up fascist who goes around celebrating the death of communists with a shit-eating grinI don't think there's anything to celebrate here. I respected him for being an adventurer type who was willing to back up his words with actions.
No.1829952
>>1829951it's not like either country involved has a volunteer military like the US
No.1829959
>>1825107>he is my heroyou can be the hero of your own story, you too can proudly die for capitalists in an inter-imperialist war
No.1829961
>>1829959yes, yes, nothing ever happens…
No.1829966
>>1829961Things happen, just not the proletariat's way
No.1830045
>>1829966>>1829959>Fighting for a separatist militia because children were being massacred is bad because "muh capitalist system"Alright, I understand, next time someone decides to bomb children of a country that isn't communist we should just say "muh both sides" and move on, because ideologie uber alles, right?
Fuck off scum.
No.1830129
>>1830045That is what they're saying. Even if you have no concept of imperialism and think low-income countries are "petit imperialists" it's unjustifiable. Glowie/contrarian circlejerk from twitter
No.1830134
>>1830126>I wildly guess this has something to with Wagner>mass chimpout in thread ensues>wife confirmsEAT SHIT!!!! I AM THE NOSCOPE GOD
No.1830136
>>1830126>wagnerDidn't wagner accuse the tank guards of firing on them at Bakhmut or something like that?
No.1830144
>>1830126 Um, I'm a bit tired of constantly verifying these reports myself. I also want to see the final outcome. (It would be even better if it's a positive ending. From what it looks like at the moment, he seems to have been a support personnel before his disappearance, not directly involved in harming Ukrainians).
呃，我也有点厌烦一直求证这些消息，我也想看到最终的结果。（如果是好结局那么就更好了。从目前来看他失踪之前似乎是后方的人员，没有参与杀伤乌克兰人的行动）
No.1830149
>>1830144Do you think Russia is imperialist and waging a campaign of terror against Ukrainian civilians, o Chink-chan? Or do you mean it would be surprising if it turned out to be an enemy action and not infighting?
No.1830157
>>1825385how is zelensky an irredentist?
No.1830165
>>1825107Well, he lived to see the fall of communists in the Donbass, so I don't think he had much will to live anymore.
No.1830170
>>1830162>But he's been a reporter for years now.What articles did he wrote, what he reported?
No.1830172
>>1830165Fuck off dude, don't try to speak for a dead man. I may have posted some wild speculation but saying insulting things like that is bizarre. Russian communists are not happy with their position in the RF but it is ten thousand times more significant than your position would be if you even had one. What have you ever done bro?
No.1830178
>>1830149 Nation conflicts, endless… Imperialism is a very negative term, I rarely even use it to describe Western countries. When I use these words, I try to avoid mentioning specific countries (of course, this is my personal choice).
Out of humanitarianism, I hope for an outcome where both Russia and Ukraine suffer as little as possible. Unfortunately, the answers to nation issues have already been provided by history.
……
> Marx’s answer to this ironic question is clear. “Nation-states,” even in the form of republics, are not products or expressions of the “will of the people,” as the liberal phraseology goes and the anarchist repeats. “Nation-states” are today the very same tools and forms of class rule of the bourgeoisie as the earlier, non-national states, and like them they are bent on conquest. The nation-states have the same tendencies toward conquest, war, and oppression – in other words, the tendencies to become “not-national.” Therefore, among the “national” states there develop constant scuffles and conflicts of interests, and even if today, by some miracle, all states should be transformed to “national,” then the next day they would already present the same common picture of war, conquest, and oppression. The example given by Marx is typical in this regard. Why and over what did the war between the United States and Mexico arise? California was indispensable for the capitalistic development of the United States, first, as a gold treasury in the literal sense, second, as a gateway to the Pacific Ocean. Only by the acquisition of this land could the capitalism of the United States extend from ocean to ocean, entrenching itself and opening for itself an outlet to the West as well as to the East. For the backward Mexicans, California was just a simple territorial possession. The interests of the bourgeoisie were decisive. The “nation-state,” worshiped and idealized by the anarchists as the “will of the people,” served as an efficient tool of conquest in the interests of capitalism.——Rosa Luxemburg The National Question
……
> Therefore, in the realities of the capitalist system, and not in the banal philistine fantasies of English parsons, or of the German “Marxist,” Kautsky, “inter-imperialist” or “ultra-imperialist” alliances, no matter what form they may assume, whether of one imperialist coalition against another, or of a general alliance embracing all the imperialist powers, are inevitably nothing more than a “truce” in periods between wars. Peaceful alliances prepare the ground for wars, and in their turn grow out of wars; the one conditions the other, producing alternating forms of peaceful and non-peaceful struggle on one and the same basis of imperialist connections and relations within world economics and world politics. But in order to pacify the workers and reconcile them with the social-chauvinists who have deserted to the side of the bourgeoisie, over-wise Kautsky separates one link of a single chain from another, separates the present peaceful (and ultra-imperialist, nay, ultra-ultra-imperialist) alliance of all the powers for the “pacification” of China (remember the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion) from the non-peaceful conflict of tomorrow, which will prepare the ground for another “peaceful” general alliance for the partition, say, of Turkey, on the day after tomorrow, etc., etc. Instead of showing the living connection between periods of imperialist peace and periods of imperialist war, Kautsky presents the workers with a lifeless abstraction in order to reconcile them to their lifeless leaders.……
> To this must be added that it is not only in newly opened-up countries, but also in the old, that imperialism is leading to annexation, to increased national oppression, and, consequently, also to increasing resistance. While objecting to the intensification of political reaction by imperialism, Kautsky leaves in the shade a question that has become particularly urgent, viz., the impossibility of unity with the opportunists in the epoch of imperialism. While objecting to annexations, he presents his objections in a form that is most acceptable and least offensive to the opportunists. He addresses himself to a German audience, yet he obscures the most topical and important point, for instance, the annexation of Alsace-Lorraine by Germany. In order to appraise this “mental aberration” of Kautsky’s I shall take the following example. Let us suppose that a Japanese condemns the annexation of the Philippines by the Americans. The question is: will many believe that he does so because he has a horror of annexations as such, and not because he himself has a desire to annex the Philippines? And shall we not be constrained to admit that the “fight” the Japanese is waging against annexations can be regarded as being sincere and politically honest only if he fights against the annexation of Korea by Japan, and urges freedom for Korea to secede from Japan?——Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
民族冲突，无穷无尽……帝国主义是一个很负面的词，我甚至很少使用它去描述西方的国家，我使用这些词的时候会尽量隐去国名（当然这是我个人的行为）。
出于人道主义我希望会有一个俄罗斯与乌克兰都尽量损失较小的结局，但不幸的是民族问题的结局前人已经给出了答案
No.1830180
>>1830178 Uh, I didn't put Lenin and Rosa Luxemburg's works and names in the same order, my OCD kicked in again.
呃，我把列宁和罗莎·卢森堡的著作和名字的顺序没搞一样，强迫症又犯了
No.1830183
>>1825388>it'd be over in two days.Yeah nice strawman faggot. You know very well that the "Kiev in two weeks" talk came directly from Western think tanks and glowies, who then switched their tune at 180 degree overnight. Russia never made any statements about that, and I don't remember anona here doing the same.
Also, people said Russia wouldn't invade not because they would disapprove of such an action, they just thought Russia wouldn't have the balls for such a drastic historical breaking point.
Go back to /isg/.
No.1830184
>>1825358Russian channels are largely infotainment, only in West the excessive statements of some Russian talkshow guests are taken as statements by Russian embassies.
RT also leaked a discussion of German generals on how to destroy the Kerch bridge. People immediately thought this is fake or "Russian disinfo" but turned out to be 100% true. That alone means RT has done more journalistic work in 2024 than CNN.
No.1830185
>>1830183It's also insanely callous coming from Westerners who pushed them into this war after making the think they'd be having funny techno parties and maybe get to meet Venetian Snares one day
"Haha you had to strangle them instead of punching them to death in one blow haha"
It's grisly! Even if what they were saying were true, who cares?! It's madness
No.1830187
>>1830157crimea and the people's republics? they had referendums monitored by multiple countries
No.1830198
>>1830185The whole idea of Russia winning in two weeks was reliant on a internal collapse of Ukraine or surrender. Not sure if the GRU really failed here, but it was pretty clear that if Ukraine is willing and able to put up a fight, it's gonna be a challenge. Biggest army in Europe, NATO money and weapons, routine in warfare since 2014 and neo-nazi elements that would rather swallow the cyanide pill instead of surrendering because they have no future if they don't win.
If Ukraine was fighting against Germany, Poland or the UK, they would probably win, no joke.
No.1830447
>>1830198It's really sad watching you try to catch up to reality after living in NAFO fantasy land for two years. I'm afraid there's no motivation to try to educate who already committed so much to being a retard. You need to suffer in confusion now.
No.1830454
>>1825318>>1825279this just sounds like adventurism at its best where he actually went to the Donbass to help people instead of just doing random acts of domestic terror with no plan beyond that
>>1825722between this and George saying there was more artistic freedom in the USSR I wonder if he was a fellow traveler or sum shit like that
No.1830458
>>1830172The Donbass communists were betrayed by Russia. But you will never acknowledge that.
No.1830459
>>1830458who were those "Donbass communists", i never heard of them, and it doesn't appear in my google search
No.1830464
>>1830459https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Donetsk_People%27s_RepublicFounded on 2014. De-facto made powerless in 2016. And killed in 2022. They were surrounded by monarchists/fascists, so it was inevitable.
No.1830466
>>1830455yes, anyone who supports that nazi state is a fascist
No.1830476
Redditors claiming he was raped and killed by Russian soldiers. Anyone know the actual details of what happened?
No.1830480
>>1830476Señor Bentley is being raped by teams of 7 men in shifts at GRU headquarters, reliable anonymous sources tell me.
No.1830543
>>1830476idk about raped
but he was captured and killed by them yes
No.1830546
>>1830543Any reason why the Russkies would kill him? I thought he was pro-russian.
No.1830550
>>1830546Probably 0iq nationalists jumped up on Telegram channels and TV decided the first American they seen was a spy.
also Probably raped himRetard worthless people doing worthless retard shit.
No.1830560
>>1830550russian soldiers are never beating the "bandit" allegations with this bullshit
No.1830581
>>1830476The scuttlebutt on Telegram channels by DPR locals sounds like it was a deadly stomping. I think the Redditors are doing some kind of lurid embellishing.
>>1830546Nobody really knows, but like the other anon said, the sense going around is that there was no reason, he was just in the "wrong place at the wrong time."
>>1830560There's a nasty racial dimension here too as it was apparently a Buryat unit who the Ukrainians particularly hate. The Pope called them the cruelest soldiers a few months ago.
No.1830772
>>1830765It's wild af. Every color of the NAFO rainbow are so desperate for some kind of win they jump on a fog of war death. Amazing thread. Keep seething.
No.1830773
>>1830765That's the best guess we've had actually
No.1830778
>>1830568>>1830573the leopards ate my face subreddit has a thread too
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/1c90lme/you_get_what_you_wish_for/at least some of the people there are going wtf at everyone celebrating the alleged rape and beheading. note this is supposed to be a progressive subreddit for mocking reactionaries, and they are mostly assuming Bentley was a fascist/reactionary.
No.1830840
>>1830494Different anon here. While Ukraine right now would not be able to fight those countries, in 2022 the Ukrainian army had more tanks, equipment, air-defenses, ATGMs etc. than most of Europe combined and morbidly enough, through their war with the LDNR militias they were among the most experienced in conventional warfare, as opposed to combating goat-herders with tanks, as most of NATO is used to. Russia's victories in the war have meaning precisely because the Ukrainians weren't just push-overs, a narrative belonging only to Western MSM trying to rile up sympathy.
No.1831077
This thread sets the record for percentage of posts with nafoid glowietastic shit.
No.1831093
Used to interact with him in the comment section of his videos when his channel was still up, loooong before the SMO. Chill guy, surreal to see him gone. And what a way to go out, too. If he got smoked by Ukrops then he would have lived on in legend like Givi, but to be a self-proclaimed communist picking a side in an inter-imperialist conflict only to be killed by your own "comrades" is really the worst way to go. There's a lesson here for every Zigger should they choose to see it…
No.1831095
>>1831093Yep, but don't speak too son, for the wheel's still in spin. We don't know what happened to him, everything we have is speculation.
No.1831099
>>1830887Americans explaining why the NEEDED to go across the Atlantic and kill as many civilians as they could will never not be hilarious
>>1831093Quick question, what's imperialism?
You don't know. I know you can't answer it.
No.1831100
>>1831077They're stuck with attempts at pithy comments, like throughout this whole war. I don't know why they think this is beneficial.
No.1831138
There's also the KKE:
>In Ukraine and in the broader region of Eastern Europe the awe-inspiring opponent to the warmongering Euroatlantic powers (USA, NATO, EU) is capitalist Russia. We must always have in mind that it is not the Soviet Union, but a country with a completely different social and class content. The perception that Russia is not an imperialist power but just a capitalist country in the “periphery” of the imperialist system which, alongside “socialist China” (sic), bear a positive effect in international politics is totally wrong. Such an approach is in direct opposition to the Leninist concept of imperialism as long as it detaches politics from economy.
>Similarly, those who try to “dress” today's capitalist Russia with elements that characterized the Soviet Union (anti-fascist, anti-imperialist, progressive) contribute to the disorientation and manipulation of the workers' movement, especially in periods of intensification of inter-imperialist competitions. Unless they want to convince us that President Putin is a kind of “Stalin” of the 21st Century who, alongside Shoygu in the role of “Zhukov” and Lavrov as “Molotov, are trying to save humanity from the modern Nazis…
>It must be understood that in the age of imperialism, there can be no peaceful capitalist states. And if at the beginning of a war the difference between the attacking and the defending bourgeois state is perhaps relative, the important question in any war is one: Which class conducts the war, for what purpose and at what stage of historical development.https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/02/a-leninist-approach-to-inter-imperialist-clash-in-ukraine.html No.1831149
>>1831138>>1831135>>1831132Years go by and you haven't learned anything about what Lenin wrote about finance capitalism. You can only cherry pick statements from WWI and make unanalytical historical parallels.
No.1831231
>>1831132>>1831135>>1831138No, explain this in your own words. Show you actually understand what you are saying. You also are not a Leninist admitted in your own posts. Surely even you see how disingenuous you are being now
No.1831274
>>1831149My own words? The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a war of aggression.
Interesting article comparing Ukrainian ultra-nationalism with the Russian version:
>Putin himself also embodies the right-wing shift with his obsession with “traditional values” and history. One example of that is the proliferation of multimedia exhibitions, known as history parks – slick multimedia exhibitions displaying the Kremlin’s current view on the Russian history, from the Viking rulers of Novgorodian and Kievan Rus’ to the rise of the country’s current ruler.
>This reading of Russian history contrasts sharply with what Putin or the author of this piece studied in Soviet schools. Political figures whom the Communists branded as reactionary and retrograde are celebrated, while more liberal and reform-minded ones, such as Alexander II or the Decembrists, favored during Soviet times, would be ridiculed and denounced. Ivan the Terrible is portrayed not as a mass murderer but merely the victim of the “first information war,” referencing pamphlets spread around Europe at the time.
>Unsurprisingly, the exhibition provides an extremely unsympathetic interpretation of the role of Lenin, whose inculcation of proletarian internationalism and condemnation of Russian nationalism makes him unacceptable for Russia’s current regime and who is therefore depicted as a psychopathic mass murderer. Stalin, on the other hand, is presented as a mass murderer who at least partly atoned for his sins by defeating the Nazis.
>The exhibition is populated with pennants displaying quotes by the philosopher Ivan Ilyin, whose works were banned in the USSR because of his adoration of Adolf Hitler. Ilyin’s multiple quotations look particularly shocking at the history park in Volgograd, the site of the battle of Stalingrad.[…]
>But these views on history also reflect the worldview of the securitocratic class, which hijacked the Russian state in the early 2000s as a result of the war in Chechnya and the gradual breakup with the West. Russia’s rightward shift did not happen in vacuum. It went in parallel with post-9/11 securitization and jingoism in the US. The invasion of Iraq as well as the persecution of Julian Assange made it easier for the Russian securitocratic elites to move their own red lines – if America can invade a faraway country for no good reason, why can we not do the same in our backyard?
>The start of Putin’s rule, when he was still seeking rapprochement with the West, was marked in the Western world by a shift from globalization idealism, open borders and expansion of democracy to realpolitik and cynicism, which inevitably led to tribalism and conflict. Putin sensed and masterfully surfed this new wave. They both describe it as a clash of “civilizations” that have distinct moral characteristics, one being the force of civilizational light and the other the force of darkness. The racist framing of the conflict, like “Western civilization versus Russia’s Asiatic horde,” is also not uncommon.
>The essentialist agendas stem from lobbyism of the beneficiaries – securitocratic elites, the military-industrial complex (both the weapon producers and private armies) and a multitude of people and organizations involved in information wars and increasingly sophisticated social engineering, lately with the use of AI.https://russiapost.info/society/real_left No.1831395
>>1831100le witty retort is the only level they operate on. They aren't capable of making reasoned arguments, probably because they're a combination of bots and professional astroturfers who are only seeing the one post they reply to and paid per reply so they keep it short and from the stock replies.
No.1831396
>>1831274Ukkkraine deserves to be invaded and completely destroyed because of what they did to Iraq. The only reason you don’t like Russia is because you are gay and that’s the only thing you actually center all your politics around.
No.1831397
>>1831395Oh and the reason they think it's beneficial is because they are going for quantity over quality. The point being a "consensus crack," to create the appearance that their perspective is the dominant one, so lurkers who aren't savvy to the astroturf feel peer pressured into agreeing, and also to simply crowd out dissent so it's harder to find.
No.1831491
>>1831396>Ukkkraine deserves to be invaded and completely destroyed because of what they did to IraqPure petty nationalist sentiment.
No.1831496
>>1831491welcome to leftypol
No.1831501
>>1831491no it's not it clearly displays how Ukraine wanted to be part of the imperial core and help enclose other countries to earn its place, But these fascist slave bitches would not even be allowed to be a vassal like the Europeans Japanese or South Koreans because the whole point of the imperial system is not allowing peripheral countries to develop, and Ukraine is in peripheral Europe, their own insane, nationalist fantasies helped them to forget this
Ukraine thought they could help push Russia back into complete backwater status
that's why they fought this war that's why the fascist threw away the rest of their country men who they think are all Russians
No.1831503
>>1831501There is no meaningful concept of "deserved" or revenge when it comes to viewing society from an engineer's, scientist's viewpoint.
No.1831506
>>1831503t. Eliezer Yudrowsky shortly before he begins opining on how he should be able to fuck children
No.1831517
>>1831274the funny thing to me is that if the Russian Federation actually cared about protecting the Donbass from ukro-nazis they would've invaded much much sooner than they did, so its p clear its more just out of self interest since no state wants a nazi terrorist hideout that works directly for your main geopolitical rivals right on their border.
No.1831524
>>1831517Do you realize this emphasizes how Russian boug were forced to pick a side between being repeatedly cucked out of a sub-imperialist setup like Turkey has, and turning to side with the global south? This has never been about nationalist sympathies with Russia. This is the argument that everyone who points out this is not an inter-imperialist war has been making for two years.
Good luck catching up guys, I think you've been given enough hints.
No.1831527
>>1830494Ziggas keep on telling us that the RuAF is carrying forward the legacy of the Soviet military and that same military crushed the Germans in the opening months of Barbarossa. If you push them even harder then all of a sudden the Tsarist army of 1905 actually defeated the Japanese because it's just vulgar Russian nationalism cloaked in Soviet fetishism.
So if the Russian military is following the immortal and undeniable truth of Soviet Marxist warfare, what does it mean that an undersupplied and outgunned Ukrainian military is able to hold them off for 2+ years?
No.1831531
>>1831527>undersuppliedLOL
>outgunnedoh my god, he admit it
No.1831532
>>1831524if the russian boug actually fucked wit the global south outside an alliance of convenience they wouldn't have spent decades endlessly debasing themselves to the west. you smug asl for what? for leftypol clout???? try reading sum more marx and lurk moar
No.1831535
>>1831531You want to make an argument or are you gonna continue pretending that shooting lots of artillery rounds is the height of communist praxis and that socialism can only be built on the corpse mounds of Russian conscripts
No.1831537
>>1831535History moves one casket at a time
No.1831540
>>1831532>fucked witkeep your crusty mouth shut, cracker
again you turn to your schizo logic about how you can intepret everyone's "true intentions". we're talking about what is in the interest of the russian boug. read any book, you don't read marx. start with hooked on phonics instead of writing in fake ebonics when you get pressed about your lack of awareness of what's going on since 2019.
>>1831535>n-no you can't just laugh at my attempts to cope after two years of saying ruZZia will lose! no!!! debate me!!! i care about the ZIGGER CORPSES i-i mean russian workers… i love russian workers… i care about the legacy of the ussr more than you… pls anondrink my piss, i have an rss feed that reports whenever a telegram channel for monitoring the deaths of NATO mercernaries has a post including terms for death
they went thru the "greatest army in europe" years ago. that's why NATO has been sending "volunteers" to throw piles of meat at Russia's artillery production which outmatches the entirety of NATO
No.1831547
>>1831540This is as schizo as Westoids believing that Nepalese make up 20% of Russia's infantry. Both armies are largely composed of 30+ yo conscripts with three weeks of training. You're a fucking idiot and I hope you eventually get drafted to fight against China or Iran and you can die like the useless schizo Westoid retard you are. It's not like you were going to do anything against your own ruling class anyways.
No.1831548
>>1831546damn homie you sure clapped that jive turkaahhhh
No.1831549
>>1831547>Both armies are largely composed of 30+ yo conscripts with three weeks of trainingsource: I made it up
No.1831550
>30+
this is oddly specific anon, any particular reason you want to emphasize Ukraine is not conscripting young people?
No.1831553
>>1831548stay mad campist boy
No.1831554
>>1831553I thought you were explaining to me why I should be mad that I'm winning why should I be sad? Go on try and convince me
No.1831555
>>1831554lmao wut go touch sum grass socdem online tryhard headass lol
No.1831558
>>1831555This whole NATO+ hybrid war against Russia has achieved none of its strategic goals, but I guess the online NAFO cope engine is going to keep running.
This is like talking about how Bakhmut WAS stalling. I don't see how you could go for a more obvious cope.
Russia invaded out of "self-interest" or "imperialism" (an international financial colonial rigging system, not when a country had a military and a bank) are both less credible arguments than "Russia broke international law by invading" (which is of course ridiculous because all of the breakaway regions attacked by NATO+ & Banderites had referendums to join Russia with multiple international obserbers), which are both nonsense compared to "Russia took too long to invade" as our dead departed friend Iron Felix would definitely add.
No.1831562
I don't buy the weird radlib realist argument that the US succeeded in the war on Russia because it was able to isolate Europe economically either, that's really only happened in the petrochemical + manufacturing industry, but the parasitic snatching of high value manufacturing due to hi energy costs like in germany to the US won't solve anything because the cost of labor in the US is weighed down by medical, legal, debt, rent, and all the other shit everyone puts up with there. Meanwhile there's been a huge realignment of Russia with China & low-income in trade, and also in trade of oil to sub imperialist intermediaries like Turkey and India who undermine this severing of Asia & Europe by repackaging the "shadow fleet" delivered oil at a markup.
>putin doesn't really fuck wit the global south
Whatever this means, it must have nothing to do with the actual realignment of trade between Russia and peripheral countries. I mean half the time when people are trying to argue Russia is imperialist they cite military aid to countries like Burkina Faso that are struggling not to be beheaded my ISIS guys the US has proliferated
No.1831586
>>1831491Nationalism is good as long as it’s not the west doing it. You’re a dumbass.
No.1831589
>>1831496Go back to Reddit.
No.1831605
>>1831558>This whole NATO+ hybrid war against Russia has achieved none of its strategic goals,It has kickstarted the overt part of the cold war such as now there is domestic consent for the USA/NATO to go defend US hegemony. And more importantly, it has secured western European loyalty to the USA side of the cold war. That's quite a lot.
Besides, the USA can turn the economic knobs in their favor and leech off Europe. Watch the USA demand "de risking" from China and the EU to sanction themselves again, for the benefit of the former.
No.1831610
>>1831605>, it has secured western European loyalty to the USA side of the cold war.The USA already basically had that. Now Europe is questioning the value of that loyalty, and what's fucked up is, far too much of that questioning is coming from the European right. It's really fucked up that people like Marine Le Pen are getting a monopoly on questioning EU loyalty to the USA.
No.1831638
>>1831274>My own words? The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a war of aggression.lmao so even with the primary source right in front of you, you really can't even fake an actual explanation in your own words. Goddamn you really are a fucking idiot. Legitimately you are stupid
No.1831641
>>1831638Like could have just reworded something Lenin said and made some vague connection to Russia but even that is way too hard for him lmao
No.1832665
>>1830765Months of getting BTFO in Ukraine and /ukraine/ results in a lot of stored seethe that gets spattered everywhere at the first opportunity - this thread.
No.1832696
>>1831397You ask for my opinion, I respond, then you complain that I've unleashed a plague of moles to crack your consensus. Or maybe the consensus is cracking by itself and I can just sit here and watch the damn thing collapse.
>>1831549>>1831550I don't know the median age of the soldiers but I've been struck that so many soldiers in images on both sides look like they're around 40.
>>1831517>protecting the Donbass from ukro-nazisThis is like saying the "war on terror." It's a kind of multi-purpose yap-weapon. Or using the Voice to destroy your enemies. These are nuke-words or cluster-phrases to incinerate everything in their vicinity. I don't think it has much to do with a factual assertion. Putin calls Zelensky a Nazi, but if he hadn't, he'd be calling him a terrorist. Either way, Kharkiv would still be getting shelled.
>>1831638>ou really can't even fake an actual explanation in your own wordI just don't really care what you think that much, and I don't think this argument really matters. Anyone can hurl any word at anyone any time and mean whatever they please by it. I say Russia's war is imperialist, you say it's a defense against imperialism. But I have a feeling that even if we somehow came to an agreement, nothing concrete would change. People could just manufacture new word-weapons.
>Goddamn you really are a fucking idiot. Legitimately you are stupidI can picture the mushroom clouds exploding off your keyboard as you hammered these letters into a combination of words that go "bang!" It can't really cause anything except maybe a little bit of laughter. You should really bear this in mind.
No.1832890
>>1832696>This is like saying the "war on terror.">I don't think it has much to do with a factual assertion. >Putin calls Zelensky a Nazi, but if he hadn't, he'd be calling him a terrorist. Thats really the problem with your argument. Its not like the war on terror. It is a factual assertion. When the US says they are trying to stop terrorism they are lying and/or the CIA funded the terrorists and/or the freedom fighters they are supporting are actually death squads to suppress a labor movement that conflicts with US corporations. When Putin calls Ukraine a Nazi state hes talking about the real Nazi death squads that the CIA funded armed and trained that there is mountains of indisputable evidence for going back three quarters of a century. The interesting thing about this that gives it a truth is stranger than fiction vibe is that a lot of the Nazis that the US and NATO have spread around the world to do their dirty work originated with Ukrainian and Baltic collaborators that the US smuggled to safety after WW2 and their "experience" was the source of all their gladio-strategy-of-tension torture programs that they used in some 70+ countries during the cold war.
No.1832898
>>1832890Yeah but you see how I can play this game, too? The Russian government also has its mercenary anti-communist, far-right death squads. They've been propping them up for more than 30 years back to anti-gay lynching squads who'd boast about getting money from the Kremlin. Wagner's neo-Nazi Rusich sub-unit posts jokes about how "denazification" is "saving Nazism from Ukraine" because Ukrainian Nazis are inauthentic.
Really to tell the story of post-Soviet fascism it's to get into some ugly and inconvenient truths, that ultimately, it was produced as an ideological evolution of both the Russian and Ukrainian secret services and their informal corporate cultures. Dugin and Azov is the story of GRU and HUR. FSB and SBU have their own pet Nazis. And there's mountains of evidence for this. Russian and local fascists in Donetsk hunted and killed socialist LDNR militia. What about Solzhenitsyn? I've been told by communists that he's a fascist for years but he's honored by the Kremlin, which makes Western NAFO liberals quoting Solzhenitsyn AT the Kremlin on Twitter darkly comic. Dugin has ties with plenty of fascists in the world – he gets promoted in Russia to head an institute named after Ivan Ilyin who advocated fascism for Russia. To be sure, Dugin has put up a good front in decrying Banderists in Ukraine, but he used to associate with them. In some way, he helped produce them. Just like how the U.S. has contributed to it, too.
And if anything, this criminal and stupid invasion has created more Nazis. They said they wanted to eliminate Nazis – there are only more. The West is becoming MORE fascist and Russians are becoming MORE fascist too – it's now acceptable to wear Slavic swastikas on their uniforms, to cut the ears off prisoners – the murder of Russell Bentley is just part of the descent into barbarism this war is plunging everyone into. The whole world could get sucked down the drain eventually. They pledged to ruin NATO, but there are MORE members now. Now replace "Nazi" with "terrorist" and see how trying to fight a war on terrorism worked for the United States. What happened is that the U.S. became the terrorists.
No.1832906
>>1832903Picrel doesn't account for the Russian fashoids who want to fight in Ukraine. Idiotic fascists are always useful foot soldiers whether it's ISIS, Azov, Arkans Tigers or Rusich.
No.1832907
>>1832898There are more nazis because the cia keeps supporting and training them. Even if Russia didn't invade, those programs would have just continued.
No.1832908
>>1832898Bro these arguments were btfo over years in /ukraine/. Hourly, daily, weekly, for years.
>Guess I'll just take advantage of exhaustion and make them for a newfag audience in a dead man's thread No.1832913
>>1832903Yes, it's true, there are many anti-Kremlin Russian Nazis who moved to Ukraine and joined Azov. Of course they did, because I'll never stop stressing this: pro- and anti-Kremlin Nazis are THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE. It's only Kremlin propagandists and their twins in the West who divide them into "good" Nazis and "bad" Nazis. This is the common theme: "Their" nazis - NAZIS. "Our" nazis - nationalists, patriots.
The mental acrobatics are impressive.
But not convincing. Because if you really held up a mirror, you'd learn: there's essentially no difference between Dmitry Steshin and Azov. There is essentially no difference between Kremlin tabloids & RT which provides platforms to certified Nazis like Steshin, and Western "friends of Ukraine" who defend Azov or downplay the spread of far-right ideology in Ukraine.
Unfortunately but expectedly, Putin's aggression against Ukraine has also been a further boon to the far right in Eastern Europe. This is how their symbiotic relationship works, with both sides thriving on polarization and conflict. I read a book written by one too. Pretty interesting really.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1203532165528444929.html>>1832908I didn't read that thread so you're trapped in here with me I'm sorry.
No.1832915
>>1832898But we aren't talking about "post-Soviet fascism" or "sub-units" or a obscure authors with no power were talking about a contiguous force that comes directly out of the Third Riech and is in control of the armed forces, media and education. Its not theyre doing things people dont like so thats fascists its they are literally the actual Nazis from the German SS. If Russians also do horrific torture thats incidental and ultimately a product of WW2 in which the Nazis were also funded and armed by US corporate interests. Where as when Ukraine does horrific torture its a direct continuation of Generalplan Ost with the same people doing the crimes because their Nazism is systemic and institutional and it would be otherwise if it weren't for NATO and the US explicitly protecting and financing their continued existence.
No.1832916
>>1832898>And if anything, this criminal and stupid invasion has created more Nazis.<unironic "if you kill your enemies they win"It's worth repeating that you are a liberal. Punching nazis make more nazis has to be one of the most debunked cases and ironically comes from /pol/. It isnt surprising you would regurgitate that garbage.
No.1832924
>>1832913>>1832913>I didn't read that threadBro you posted there regularly and it's where you picked up the " is downstream of" rhetoric that you've started using recently.
No.1832926
>>1832911>>1832913What neo-nazi group is Steshin apart of and what is his rhetoric on RT? Wait let me tell you his far-right organization was dissolved like most far right groups in Russia and the Communists are allowed to organize. Steshin doesn't have the same rhetoric he had 20 years ago and if he did he would be fired on RT. But notice that you mentioned Azov a real group of neo-nazis with immense influence in the Ukrainian government while Communists are banned from organizing. You are being disingenuous if you are really going to argue that they are one and the same.
>Unfortunately but expectedly, Putin's aggression against Ukraine has been a further boon to the far right in Eastern Europe. >implying that the invasion of Ukraine increased the clout of the far right in Eastern Europe<"if you kill your enemies they win" rhetoricVery unserious
No.1832927
>>1832915>were talking about a contiguous force that comes directly out of the Third Riech and is in control of the armed forces, media and education.The entirety of the NVA officer corps until the 70s was ex-Wehrmacht and like half of the functionaries of the SED (and all of the various controlled opposition parties) were ex-NSDAP members. Did this make East Germany fascist? No, because Nazism was dead in any meaningful sense. If the post-war liberal order is secretly national socialist because of the ratlines and Operation Paperclip (most of whom weren't actually in positions of influence), then the Soviet Union was Tsarist in the 1920s and Nazi in the 1950s – because apparently society subsumes itself to a few individuals and specialists rather than the other way around. (Yes, the USSR grabbed some ex-Nazi scientists too.)
Everything uniquely "Nazi" about Nazism, everything that made the French, British, and American empires fight a war against it, died in 1945 and survived only in fringe movements and hired mercenaries, terrorists (see Years of Lead), etc.
>Where as when Ukraine does horrific torture its a direct continuation of Generalplan Ost This worldview where continuity with the Nazis is somehow a driving factor of the atrocities committed after WWII, rather than a minor consequence of the normal functioning of imperialism, is bizarre. There are forces bigger than individual decision makers that shape the decisions being made. These forces are not the deep state! Does exculpating the sins of bourgeois democracy by equating it with the Nazis give you greater clarity in your analyses? But you fundamentally don't want them to be different, or for liberalism to cause serious problems outside whatever similarities it has with ethno-religious exterminationism and omnidirectional warmongering.
>>1832916>It's worth repeating that you are a liberal. Punching nazis make more nazis has to be one of the most debunked cases Have you ever punched a Nazi?
No.1832928
>>1832927>Have you ever punched a Nazi?Has it created more Nazis?
No.1832929
>>1832928Did you swing first?
No.1832930
>>1832929Are you seriously saying that someone who punched and got in a fight with a Nazi creates more Nazis? You are avoiding that question.
No.1832932
>>1832930No. Don't avoid MY question. Have you ever punched a Nazi?
No.1832934
>>1832898The US recruited Nazi scientists. So did the USSR. Both sides.
The US recruited Nazi torturer war criminals and then pardoned them for their crimes and returned their factories that used slave labor to them then used them to teach mass terror techniques to their military so they could use them against democratic movements that threatened corporate profits. The soviets executed Nazi torturer war criminals and confiscated their factories. The people running Ukraine are the descendants of those people who escaped justice and they still hold a grudge against Russia to this day.
Do you understand the difference?
>>1832927>ex-WehrmachtWe are talking about thousands of convicted war criminal SS officers.
>This worldview where continuity with the Nazis is somehow a driving factor of the atrocities committed after WWIIThis is about specific torture and terror techniques used against civilian populations that has a direct historic connection with Nazi Germany and was not employed by other countries in the modern era except when historically connected to the specific movement of Anglo-Germanic capitalism colonialism. Normal non-nazi affiliated militaries dont systematically terrorize the civilian population as a form of strategy because their ideology is not about openly terrorizing civilians to discipline labor. Its not continuity with the Nazis that drives the atrocities its that the Nazis were in continuity with Imperialism and developed specific methods of implementation.
No.1832935
>>1832932If I did, did I create more Nazis?
No.1832940
>>1832934>We are talking about thousands of convicted war criminal SS officers. Yes, and so, the Wehrmacht didn't commit war crimes? Point is, Operation Paperclip didn't make American science "fascist," it made fascist scientists work for America. Or if you'd prefer it your way, maybe through a genealogical account of the individual identities of recruited experts, I can therefore conclude that the Russian Federation is not only Soviet, but Tsarist and National Socialist on account of Operation Osoaviakhim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim>>1832935I dunno. How hard did you hit him?
No.1832944
>>1832898It was never about "denazifying" Ukraine.
>And if anything, this criminal and stupid invasion has created more Nazis. They said they wanted to eliminate Nazis – there are only more. The West is becoming MORE fascist and Russians are becoming MORE fascist too – it's now acceptable to wear Slavic swastikas on their uniforms, to cut the ears off prisoners – the murder of Russell Bentley is just part of the descent into barbarism this war is plunging everyone into. The whole world could get sucked down the drain eventually. They pledged to ruin NATO, but there are MORE members now. Now replace "Nazi" with "terrorist" and see how trying to fight a war on terrorism worked for the United States. What happened is that the U.S. became the terrorists.You are speaking to a brick wall talking to these reactionaries who call themselves "socialists" or even "Marxists" while cheering on the growing horrors of reaction. Your words are true, but their heads are hollow.
No.1832945
>>1832941I think the Soviets preferred to recruit communists. But it does appear there is a Russian equivalent nowadays if by you mean the Russian government trying to groom neo-Nazis overseas to be pro-Russia.
No.1832946
>>1832927>Everything uniquely "Nazi" about NazismThe distinction I'm driving at here is one that comes up a lot in these debates. Its the same as the difference between capitalism and trade always having existed or people that argue that the indigenous people of x country practiced similar barbarity to the colonizers or that racism has always existed and isn't different from individual prejudice or between monopoly capitalism imperialism and general dispositions on pre-feudal imperialism.
The difference is that all of these things emerge after the enlightenment as (psuedo)scientific rational justifications. Nazi terror was unique in that it took a scientific rational approach to colonial domination and it collected and collated all the Roman Spanish Dutch British colonial atrocities and systematically categorized and tested their effectiveness. It actually is a whole new qualitatively different thing.
No.1832947
>>1832940>I dunno. How hard did you hit him?Yeah your avoiding the question because you know it is a ridiculous take to say that the war created more nazis. Same thing when reactionaries said they have increased members because they got whooped in public its a giant cope.
No.1832948
>>1832945No that was the entire point. There is no equivalent because both sides didn't recruit war criminals.
No.1832949
>>1832924meds. the phrase "is downstream of" is a pretty normal idiom used in many contexts
No.1832951
>>1832945You're also forgetting that the Russian equivalent nowadays is the result of white movement emigres being brought back to Russia from American in the 90s similar to the Nazi refugees that went to Ukraine. Russias adoption of similar techniques like Hypernormalization is due to US influence.
No.1832952
>be Russian or Ukrainian
>get blown up by a drone
>your death is filmed and used as propaganda by the other side
>your death is denied by your own country because it makes the general staff look bad
This is the future war ziggas wanted with your neocon George Dubya ass preemptive war
No.1832954
>>1832952>neocon George Dubya ass preemptive warYou guys still can't explain how Ukraine is at all equivalate to Iraq. The war that the US had to go to the other side for while Russia is dealing with an Imperialist bloc in NATO expanding right at its doorstep
No.1832957
>>1832954>You guys still can't explain how Ukraine is at all equivalate to Iraq. Because a lot of nutty shit coming from the Russian foreign policy establishment really reminds some people of the neocons in 03 when they were really high on their own supply and thought they were gonna reshape the whole world.
>expanding right at its doorstepDoes geographic distance really matter? By that logic, the U.S. would be justified invading Cuba for aligning with the USSR. I suppose you can make the argument from a "realist" point of view about "legitimate security concerns" (whatever that is). But it's also possible the NATO expansion rhetoric was part of a Kremlin strategy to engineer a casus belli to invade Ukraine for, essentially, its own reasons and that's really all there is to it, and which has nothing to do with his stated justifications about Satanism, gender ideology and Peter the Great.
The war simply doesn't make strategic sense in those terms. It doesn't even make sense just to defend the impoverished oblasts in Donbass – it's only really worth it if Moscow can effectively subjugate or cripple Kyiv, which it has not achieved to date. It would indeed be completely crazy to launch a war without trying to do that. And even if nuclear brinkmanship works (it won't) and Russia somehow secures its status quo territories, the war will have left Russia facing off with a more united and belligerent Europe on its doorstep than it entered the war with. I have to dip out now but I'll check back tomorrow.
No.1832958
>>1832954How exactly does Russia invading Ukraine remove NATO from its doorsteps? Even if Russia win this war, there is still Poland, Finland, etc on the West and if Japan and SK end up joining NATO that marks the complete encirclement of Russia by American forces, which is the same position Russia started out with before the war. So they essentially wasted tens of thousands of men and billions of dollars worth of equipment to end in the same position they started out with!
No.1832962
>>1832947It is NATO expansion and imperialism that created and nurtured nazis. both-sidist pseud-coms turn this upsidedown and insist that resisting these things is the problem (doing so makes you an imperialist and a nazi!). if you just let the empire run over you unimpeded they would be much nicer and not turn to nazism so much. you should complain, always complain - as this displays your virtue - but you must never fight.
it is a servile pathetic tendency in some lefties that need to be perpetual victims that always lose. you're only a good leftist when you are displaying moral righteousness at being routed and defeated by the bad guys. the more they lose and get taken advantage of the more righteous they are. and when the imperialists have run over absolutely everything and have total power that will be when its victims and their self-appointed advocates on the left will be at their most righteous and validated.
No.1832976
>>1832949lol of course. Not by that anon before a certain point though. Increase your meds.
No.1832998
>>1832958>How exactly does Russia invading Ukraine remove NATO from its doorsteps?by stopping Ukraine from becoming NATO, duh.
>Even if Russia win this war, there is still Poland, Finland, etc on the WestUkraine makes up the largest part of Russia's western border. Russia can not completely defeat and abolish NATO everywhere, and that wasn't really the goal. The goal was to impose a limit. It drew a red line at expansion into Ukraine and Georgia (former USSR on its borders), and it is enforcing it. When the West attacked Russia throughout history, they went through Ukraine for a reason. Ukraine can carry out ground attacks on places like Belgorod right now because of where it is. Poland can't. The concept of buffer zones and buffer states exists for a reason. geography matters.
>if Japan and SK end up joining NATO that marks the complete encirclement of Russia by American forces, which is the same position Russia started out with before the war.do you even map? Russia doesn't even border SK. the vast majority of its border: Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Khazakhstan, Mongolia, China, will all be off limits to NATO.
>the same position Russia started out with before the war.It's not. Ukraine kicking Russia out of Donbass and Crimea and joining NATO would seal off its entire western border and remove them from the Black Sea. Ukraine would then become a giant CIA/NATO base and an emboldened regional power spreading Maidan coups in Georgia, Belarus and Khazakstan, who would all soon fall as Russia proved itself a declining power too weak or unwilling to challenge NATO dominance.
After Libya, Russia drew a red line in the middle east: you won't regime change all the Russia-friendly governments in the region without a fight anymore. And they stopped the op in Syria.
They drew the Ukraine red line 15 years ago, and ultimately enforced it when Ukraine chose war over the Minsk agreements, making a fight unavoidable.
Ukraine pushed Russia into a corner and made it a fight or flight choice. They had to either give up Donbass and Crimea and run away, or fight, and they chose to fight.
Now NATO is taking a stand and saying you will not defy our expansionism without a fight. Looks to me like Russia is winning that fight, but we'll see. We are already seeing leaders in Georgia talking about how "Ukrainization" is something that needs to be guarded against and seem to be leaning toward Russia. If Russia let Ukraine and NATO break their agreements and bully Russia into running away, as you apparently wanted, it would only be a matter of time until everywhere in the region was Ukrainized. Now it seems like quite the opposite will unfold.
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>>1832998>lesser-evilismIf you do not see the abject stupidity of your argument, like why even be a socialist or even a leftist at this point man? The concepts of inter-imperialist wars and revolutionary defeatism is so far away from this sad sad mindset. Even if they could Russia will never dismantle NATO completely, because they need NATO in a sense that as long as a NATO exists they get to cloak their imperialist expanse under faux "anti" imperialism. Just like the Ukrop nazis, they will never do what is necessary to purge the banderites, they
need them to continue to justify their war, their drive for more capital, and control over more markets. NATO will most likely collapse under its own weight at some point. I doubt they will ever be strong enough to do what your warped paranoid logic claims they would do even if they managed to turn the war around. But, as gaynazi anon has correctly stated, this war caused NATO to expand (at least temporarily). And if NATO fell tomorrow or was disbanded overnight, something else would take its place and that something would still lead to more inter-imperialist conflicts regardless. These squabbles between imperialist brothers means nothing to what socialists want to achieve which is the defeat of all imperialist nations. Tailing Russia because you believe the NATO paper tiger is real or overwhelmingly powerful just shows blatant stupidity. Gaynazi anon said the War on Terror turned the US into terrorists. I disagree, the US was always terroristic, but what the war on terror did do, was proliferate "terrorists". All we got was terrorists, because the US needed more terrorists to justify their "war". So they manufactured more, whether they were real or not. But what was real was the destruction those wars wroth all over the globe and still to this day we live the consequences of that. It was imperialist expanse to grow the empire cloaked in nationalist jingoism against a "common enemy". And the thing is, any capitalist country in that position would have done the same thing, because it was in the interests of the ruling class and American capitalism was approaching and what 2008 realized, deep crisis.
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>>1833020>But, as gaynazi anon has correctly stated, this war caused NATO to expand (at least temporarily).No it didn't. That is liberal cope. NATO expanded like 5 times already before 2022, and it was trying to expand to Ukraine and coup Belarus and Khazakstan and Georgia already so it could expand there too. The expansionist project was ongoing and accelerating. You either resist it or don't (fight or flight).
>haha, we made two of our fake-neutral de facto vassals into de jure vassals. so your resistance has backfired. take that putler!pure liberal cope for losing ukraine.
there's a reason that all the socialist countries support russia and reject both-sideist nonsense. They know they're not "the same": one side is trying to destroy them and the other isn't. They have to deal with the reality and don't have the luxury to just spout shitlib talking points wrapped in commie jargon on imageboards.
No.1833035
>>1832957>NATO expanded>europe has never been more united>ukraine is le iraqdo you ever get tired of repeating the same state department talking points?
No.1833065
>>1833020>US uses terrorists against USSR>US uses terrorists against Iraq>US uses terrorists against Ukraine>US uses terrorists against Russia>both sides are bad but also its Russias faultWouldn't it be strange if ISIS and the SBU both learned their tactics from JSOC? How the fuck can you really think the Putin is equally complicit in facilitating Ukranian nazis? This is truly beyond contrarian delusion.
No.1833071
there is a chauvinistic tendency among multipolarists, in which seem to assign a kind of "moral agency" to the west, but every other country is framed as a passive entity that only "reacts".
it's very similar to how western whitoids frame themselves vis a vis brown people.
anyone who roots for any side in this conflict is doing it for psychosexual reasons
No.1833072
>>1833065Are you guys just zoomers or something? Do you guys not know Russia and China both cooperated with the fucking US on the War on Terror. Jfc. The point about the war on terror, is that all imperialist countries hopped on that bandwagon.
>How the fuck can you really think the Putin is equally complicit in facilitating Ukranian nazis?By continuing a destructive war that doesn't liquidate the nazi threat but allows said nazis more relevancy as "heroes" in a feedback loop to continue justification for intervention?
No.1833089
Russell deserves better than this thread
No.1833099
>>1833068>expanded war against NATO>pro-RussianNo, everyone would much rather let the US hegemony monopolies be contested by trade and finance and diplomacy ,and catch the least shit possible when the USA flails to reassert itself.
IDK why you characterize "pro-Russian" as waging war against NATO. None of those other places have had a proxy army built on their border and prepare to war them as the RF has. Refusing to side with NATO, in sanctions, trade, diplomacy and so on is quite "pro-Russian" already.
>>1833072>By continuing a destructive war that doesn't liquidate the nazi threat but allows said nazis more relevancy as "heroes" in a feedback loop to continue justification for intervention?Well yeah, they are liberals contesting their share of a receding world hegemon0s pie. But it's worth mentioning, that the "meatgrinder" approach in which the RF is abhorrently content to "fight to the last Ukrainian" if that ultimately comes to their benefit was only taken after NATO showed in April 2022 that they were 100% going to make that sort of war inevitable. The RF had taken a costly rushed advance to secure Crimea and threaten Kiev. And at that point, war could have gone either way.
Negotiate with the RF, de-escalate, even if keeping the "cold war" and avert most of the bloodshed.
Or Boris can show up,Ukraine can execute their negotiators and flex the "collaborator purges" and make it clear Ukraine's government will follow through with NATO commands, through any amount of sacrifice against terrible to nonexistent odds of winning. It was THEN, than the RF shrugged, and started to play the longer game, and workers paid the price.
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>>1833099 (me)
In PR this was clumsily justified with the western media ops about Bucha, the "filtration camps" and the vacuous insinuations of genocidal intent. NATO aligned media closed ranks and started touting the inevitability of war, the one their governments had just ensured, justified because all the previously mentioned signaled Ukrainians would otherwise be exterminated. So it was all out war or some thinktankers umpteenth comparison of US opponents as "the new Hitler" carrying out "the new Holocaust".
The RF responded to that narrative, that summer, by making
every Ukrainian citizen eligible to the abridged path to RF citizenship that the Donbass was getting. Of course, this made no dent on the narrative, though. And it scarcely matters when the war proper is already going.
No.1833224
>>1833071>in which seem to assign a kind of "moral agency" to the west, but every other country is framed as a passive entity that only "reacts".The reaction IS the agency as they break the chains of western hegemony. This process takes time. What Russia is doing right now is agency. What the Sahel is doing is agency. What China is doing is agency. Where is the chauvinism?
>anyone who roots for any side in this conflict is doing it for psychosexual reasonsPsychosexual what? Yeah buddy stick to your favorite breadtube YouTuber do an analysis on the sexual nature of Rick and Morty if that's what you get from this conflict
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>>1833281
>>1833277
>>1833276
A lot of samefags here with false-equivalencies and baseless claims. Did reddit ban another liberal subreddit or something?
No.1833362
>>1833281
sexpats and neo-nazis are scum, no contradiction
No.1833381
>>1833292someone has definitely reposted this thread lmao, just like with the other Vkraine ones
>>1833362>>1833281Coming to fight for DPR is now "killing hohol men" nevermind what the Banderites were doing in Donbas in order to make sure it was Ukrainian (killing all ze VATuyghZ hans!!! get ze flammenwurfer!!!)
And why are they just treating this guy like he's Gonzalo Lira, and still acting like what happened to him had ANYTHING to do with coming to fuck Vkrainian women. They loved that shit when they were turning the country into a mecca for liberals and wignats and anarchists. Acting like some kind of comeuppance was distributed is pretty asinine.
No.1833394
Did he died yet?!!!??
No.1833399
>>1832898The only reason you don’t like Russia is because of gay shit. You western gays center your entire ideology around gay.
No.1833401
>>1833394Not confirmed but 99% chance he is dead.
No.1833415
>>1833399cuckkkraine is so much worse with gays and trans but liberals arent ready for that discussion yet
No.1833650
>>1833399If Israel was about being gay instead of jewish none of these people would stand a chance I keep saying this. Like if historically you time travelled and stepped on a gay butterfly and the whole populations of gays and jews switched places.
No.1834139
>>1832696>>1832898>>1832902>>1832913>>1832927>>1832929>>1832932>>1832940>>1832944>>1832945>>1832957>>1833020>>1833068>these two anticommunist freaks sperging out in the Tejas thread because they get sent crying from /ukraine/ when they try to visit it every couple weekslegitimately hilarious, they are making the exact same retarded posts they make in /ukraine/ too. /isg/tards are truly subhuman
No.1834140
>>1834139The world truly will be a better place when these two kill themselves
No.1834157
>Russell is dead
Keyed.
The bloke larped as a “Christian communist” and had been notorious for ordering mail order prostitutes from WhatsApp.
It will eventually be known that this man had no principles and just wanted cheap pussy in a cheap quality of life part of the world.
You lads need better idols.
No.1834203
>>1834157Wow, you're truly a ghoulish, reddit-spacing fuck.
>notorious for ordering mail order prostitutes from WhatsApp.Where are your proofs you slanderous glowfag? Fuck off.
No.1834212
>>1834203The proof will come out soon.
This man is NOT who you red liberals think he is.
No.1834233
>>1834212>The proof will come out soon.in 13 days, or 15?
No.1834236
>>1834203I really like this picture
No.1834249
>>1834157He was married retard.
No.1834521
>>1834212Sounds like bullshit. Why would you go to a war zone for pussy? Most western perverts just go to Philippines or Thailand. Also I’ve watched probably 80% of all videos Russell has put out. I homes can’t remember a single time he made a reference to anything sexual at all. Like he literally never talked about sex or picking up women at all. Also he married an older woman. If he was a pervert he would have married a much younger woman like they usually do.
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>>1834140>>1834139For real I think this is the most uninformed statement I've seen about the Ukraine war relative to how much someone discusses the subject. This is critical to propping up the bullshit about how multipolarity (literally meaning not unipolarity) = world fascism guise!! like WWI!!!
Russia just is imperialist, it is okay! Their invasion is just like US invading Iraq, and just like the bombing of civilians in Gaza. Nevermind that the US overthrew their government to have Nazis fight a holy war on Russia and conscript everyone who couldn't get out of the country 10 years ago, and has been cluster-bombing civilians. If a country doesn't immediately respond to provocations by the US with full-scale nuclear salvos, it means they're just opportunistic rats. Seeing the comments about how China and Russia should be launching WWIII interspersed with the arguments that multipolarity risks world war is really a phenomenal display of how thoughtless or malicious this manchild really is.
>>protecting the Donbass from ukro-nazis>This is like saying the "war on terror." It's a kind of multi-purpose yap-weapon. Or using the Voice to destroy your enemies. These are nuke-words or cluster-phrases to incinerate everything in their vicinity. I don't think it has much to do with a factual assertion. Putin calls Zelensky a Nazi, but if he hadn't, he'd be calling him a terrorist. Either way, Kharkiv would still be getting shelled. No.1834884
>>1834521>Also he married an older womanMy man. 👍
No.1837907
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👁 Murder of Russell "Texas" Bentley, basic facts:
🔹A white Niva stolen from near “Avtobaza” was found blown up and burned out at the brick factory in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, almost at the front line. Inside were Russell's remains.
🔹The body was incinerated. Collected fragments were taken from Donetsk for DNA analysis.
🔹Two separate criminal cases, the “disappearance” and the “murder” cases, were combined into a single case and taken under the control of the Main Military Investigative Authority of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation due to the magnitude of the public outcry. Donetsk tried to hush it up, but Moscow did not allow it.
🔹He was kidnapped by soldiers of the 5th (tank) brigade, the commander of which took the blame of his subordinates.
🔹Russell's wife took Russell's destroyed phone from the Niva at “Avtobaza” on April 8, before it was stolen. The phone was restored on April 10 and transferred to the Investigative Committee on April 11. There were no photos, videos or outgoing calls made after 16:15pm on April 8 found in the phone’s memory. Had it been the case, the phone would have been kept as evidence.
This is the end of my report on the facts. Personally, I will add that the best memory of Russell would be the continuation of his work of helping people, in whose memory he is still alive. As Texas himself had repeatedly asked, he should be buried next to his close friend, Donetsk bard Sergei Lysenko , who died in the Northern Military District and was buried in the “Zakharchenko square”. Eternal memory… and in songs too. It’s a pity that they never had time to record “Heart” - don’t put off life until tomorrow, because tomorrow it may no longer exist. Live. Take action. Today, here and now.
Vlad Filin, April 28, 2024
No.1837926
>>1837907So they found the body
No.1837982
>>1837907Do they have a motive or what
No.1838539
>>1837907>communist>volunteers to fight in the Donbas>gets murked by RF troopsZ gang keeps "winning" lel
No.1838553
>>1838539>>gets murked by RF troopsWhere are the proofs the RF trops did it, did the case was closed? If not, then this is just speculation.
No.1838660
>>1833099>Refusing to side with NATO, in sanctions, trade, diplomacy and so on is quite "pro-Russian" already. According to Western governments, that is. Most governments that have refused to go along with Western sanctions don't say they're aligned with Russia in some kind of geopolitical alliance or endorsed the war. Many have backed U.N. resolutions criticizing Russia's role in the conflict. But I don't think that taking a neutral position is, like, insane or irrational either, nor do I see how it's strictly relevant, seems based on a weird standpoint theory with a lot of bad argumentation on both sides.
No.1838714
>>1838660>According to Western governments, that is.Not surprised to see Gay Nazi deploy the classic "you must identify with the fascist perspective to believe I am allied with the people who share my views" argument, or as I like to call it, the "only a pedophile would think I am a pedophile" defense.
No.1838731
RIP to a real one, even if misguided. Bently didn't deserve such a fate, and it's ironic that Russians would rather celebrate Gonzalo Lira than Russell. A useful sexpat rightoid libertarian schizo will always be higher in the GRU hierarchy than a communist.
No.1838780
>>1838714I mean the OP used "pro-Russian" in quotation marks, which looks to me like they were implying that it'd be a caricature of these governments to call them "pro-Russian" for taking a neutral position and maintaining trade with Russia. Who says that? Western governments.
No.1838816
Bro trusted the Russians too much. Why the hell would you trust the Russians?
No.1839462
>>1838780Worthless conversation because it discusses the official diplomatic actions of peripheral countries trying to skirt sanctions as being some kind of indicator that the global south condemns the war in Ukraine. China doesn't even condemn or condone the war, people act like they can just flip the communism switch but they are still a developing (actually this time, not just a ruse to refer to undeveloped, maldeveloped areas). The major crisis triggered by this war was the US secondary sanctions. Don't forget sanctions are a global siege not just on one country but its trading partners. The periphery didn't even have time after Covid to get its shit together before the war hit.
You can't view diplomatic actions as being a barometer of opinion in a government or a country that's retarded, you gay Nazi.
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