No.1830348
>>1830303
me when I shill fascist reactionaries that are cucked to capital and empire
No.1830349
>>1830332That's right, you tell those anarchronistic USSR stans, Glowanon! Developmentalism doesn't upend the imperial system, socialism with Chinese chatacteristics strikes at the root of the neocolonial structure. Telling third world countries they could develop within the context of the imperil structure was the downfall of the USSR, and the Chinese learned well from this, especially the USSR's failure to produce adequate rural development relative to military and bureaucratic structures.
>>1830330How medieval. If you think India's agricultural development has been going well because they continue to provide a bulk of underpriced grains then you can't have ever touched any kind of educational material on this subject other than a newspaper. Their nuclear industry is tiny in proportion to China. We're talking about power generation at scale and export of hi cost nuclear fuels, domestic production of hi grade xray mirrors also used in semiconductor industries
No.1830350
>>1830338
when you replace the population by making them exempt from the one child policy and teach there language in schools
ofc the mfer who falls to /pol/ brain rot like muh great replacement is a china hawk and hinduvta fascist, not suprised at all lol
No.1830351
>>1830338
Can you please post better bait
No.1830352
Apologies for typos I haven't fixed my phone screen for months
No.1830353
>>1830351I think he actually believes it, this is just depressing to read
No.1830354
>>1830346bjpsisters..
>>1830347the political direction of the indian and chinese states is completely different. stop pretending to be retarded, every economy on earth is mixed between market and state, politics are the decisive factor in this case.
No.1830355
>>1830354>every economy on earth is mixed between market and stateCorrect.
>politics are the decisive factor in this caseIrrelevant to communism.
No.1830356
>>1830345>>1830346So, for India to be catching up, India needs to grow at 30% yearly at the very least. China is adding 35 * 5% = 1.75 trillion per year, while India is adding 15 * 7% = 1 trillion per year.
In other words, at current growth rates India isn't catching up to China but only is getting more and more poor, relatively speaking
No.1830357
>>1830353The roleplay posting mods are physically unable to stop including anime and Deng references, generally it's some kind of weird ideology soup like this
No.1830361
>>1830359>constantly whinge about global south countries which are at the top of the US state dept. shitlist>repost glowie WAPO narratives without attribution>complain when people respond to the postsWhat are we doing here exactly?
No.1830362
>>1828943What century is India living in?
No.1830365
>>1830363Why are you resorting to memeposting?
No.1830366
>>1830365Out of ideas, as usual.
No.1830371
I really just hope that the 2 or 3 ignorant people stop calling china fascist and remain silent for at least 5 minutes
No.1830375
>>1830273India is already industrialized and that is the cause of poverty - the accumulation of capital which necessitates the destruction of independent producers and the creation of a giant proletariat. It suits apologists for bourgeois society to portray industrial development within the framework of capitalist production as an antidote to poverty whereas it is in fact its causative agent. What industry does India not have? Pretending it's some pre-industrial area is retarded.
<In India, at the Congress of the Communist Party in Amritsar (March/April 1958), approximately 67 per cent of the delegates were from classes other than the proletariat and peasantry (middle class, land-owning class, and small traders). 72 per cent had some college education.Most of these middle-class elements were never communists but simply disgruntled with private capital and wanted a state-controlled direction of the economy to ensure more rapid accumulation for the development of industry as well as independence from American capital.
Genuine Marxism has virtually never existed in India, the "Communist Party" was a hotchpotch of nationalist intellectuals and peasants formed in 1925 which immediately surrendered to Stalinism and by 1951 became an openly electoralist socdem group. Since then there have been innumerable splits and splits-within-splits, to the effect of there being 500 sects in existence and each as insufferable as the other.
>How will this affect the global communist movement since china is officially marxist and India is not. India is still also officially socialist but Modi is more like a social democracy with free healthcare, education, subsidized food, etc, not actual communism.Whatever some government spouts doesn't change material reality, sadly.
>>1830299Imperialism is a stage of capitalism, not a government program, idiot.
>>1830354The alleged antithesis between 'for-profit' private companies and 'non-profit' state companies is entirely mythical because the state is itself the largest capitalist. It makes absolutely no difference whether something is owned by some corporation or by the government.
No.1830376
>>1830369
So you do understand that China is much lower on the value chain than the US, but does a disproportionate share of the development of low-income countries?
No.1830377
>>1830374
Exponential growth means that for India to catch up to China India needs to grow 15% each year to simply not fall further and further behind, and more than that to start catching up to China.
No.1830378
>>1830365I know reading is hard for your types but there's text in that image that is very relevant to the thread.
No.1830380
>>1830273
>maybe we need to work within hindu politics to make this a reality
Would you say communists in India, which prides itself on being 'the world's largest democracy', where most of the population is from reactionary or vacillating classes, where electoralism is absolutely entrenched, where there is a giant and rapidly rising urban middle class that forms the basis of reformism, would have an 'easier time' just because it's not a Western state?
No.1830382
>>1830375>It suits apologists for bourgeois society to portray industrial development within the framework of capitalist production as an antidote to povertythis goes for dengoids too
No.1830383
>>1830375>Imperialism is a stage of capitalism, not a government program, idiot.Imperialism is a system of international financial & high rent, hi tech monopolies used to keep colonialism in suspended animation. Colonialism was the process of European capital consuming other modes of production in China, India, and West Asia.
No.1830385
>>1830375naxalites p cool tho
No.1830386
>>1830379
>China has stopped making new loans to Africa. It is India that is doing the new lending to Africa now.
Man you really just believe anything you want don't you? Want to know why India and Russia joined in with China's foreign policy of raising the development stage of low-income countries? I'll let you guess.
No.1830387
>>1830383>colonialism is a process but imperialism isn'tLol okay. Imperialism is a stage of capitalism, ultimately all bourgeois states are complicit in it. It's not a policy decision or a system, there's no such thing as 'doing imperialism', much less when the whole world already has fully developed capitalism already.
If we go by your logic, how is it that Bulgaria in 1908, or Romania in 1919, or Poland in 1920 reached this supposed 'stage' but all these countries you people simp for apparently haven't despite being far more developed today than any of the aforementioned?
No.1830390
>>1830387Imperialism is the process of re-establishing these unstable monopolies through international gangsterism, enforcing political will on vassals like Japan and SK and Europe, like with Nord Stream. There are no bankruptcy negotiatons, there are interventions. There is the situation in Haiti, for example. Which nobody on this board ever talks about but me, being too busy denouncing the people WAPO tells them it's cool to own the tankies by denouncing.
No.1830392
>>1830389
>just do a google search mate
Least brain damaged Australian. Stay out of the sun and stop reading Google News you mentally deformed angloid
No.1830395
>>1830303
<Modi is literally Deng
Sides status: Orbiting
No.1830402
>>1830396
Why do you believe that India will grow exactly 8% GDP per year.
If the IMF can't predict correctly, then who can predict better?
No.1830404
>>1830395Indeed, I have to tip my fedora to you sirs. A hearty kek was elicited from me. Perhaps this could be made into a /r/politicalcompassmemes post, for great justice.
No.1830410
>>1830406
>informal economy and the growth of debt, similar to what china did
Very cool to keep describing what the US, Europe, Japan, and SK are doing to carry their GDP and slap a Socialism with Chinese Characteristics label on it, without explaining why you think one had results and the other disintegrated the economy with rent seekers offshoring everything down the value chain and financializing every interaction they directly controlled. This level of malding is occuring on the same timeline I predicted, intensifying rapidly as Ukraine's fate is sealed and everyone has to move on from pretending to doom on Russia's behalf.
No.1830411
Actually, currently the Chinese economy in nominal terms is about 5x the Indian economy, and in real terms is about 2.5x the Indian economy. By 2035, it should be around 3x the Indian economy in nominal terms and roughly 2x the Indian economy in real terms.
The real crisis for the Indians will be the same as the current crisis the Chinese are facing, which is escaping the Middle Income Trap.
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As far as geopolitics goes, the Indians aren’t dumb and are trying to play a three-way between China, India, and the United States. They’re essentially fascist, yes, but won’t align the US too hard because if the Chinese fall, the Indians are next and they know it.
However, the Chinese have the opposite position, wherein they are playing a three-way or four-way between China, India, the Islamic World, and the United States.
In China’s case, China has settled territorial disputes with Muslim neighbors and has small Muslim minorities that have been forcefully eradicated, and Muslim states aren’t going to send Jihadis in large quantities for East Turkestan / Xinjiang.
The Islamic world is also much more anti-American, making them better allies than India, and India’s anti-Muslim stance, Kashmir dispute, and anti-Pakistani stance allows China to use the Muslim world to threaten or contain India.
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As far as socialism in India goes; the BJP is a cross between the Deng-led CPC (remember we’re Xi-ist now) and the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party. In essence, you see a lot of socialist policies (the BJP is known for getting away with socialist policy initiatives but casting it in nationalist garb) but essentially India is fascist.
No.1830413
>>1830411[guy who gets all his information from the top Leftypol threads of the month voice]
>BJP is a cross between the Deng-led CPC (remember we’re Xi-ist now) and the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party No.1830416
>>1830413BJP isn’t the CPC because the latter is an actual Marxist-Leninist party and can impose discipline in both local governments and the SOEs. The BJP, on the other hand, is much more beholden to capital, in the same vein as the Japanese LDP, which as people have said, is neither liberal, democratic, nor a party.
The Deng blast of the modern CPC isn’t accurate because while Dengism was an extreme form, Xi-ism is reverting China to a more Maoist lens, with SOEs dominating the economy. But it is starting from a right base and only gradually moving back left.
No.1830443
>>1830416As far as the Chinese economy goes, watch solar and battery spaces. The US economy is kept afloat in part by the fracking industry providing access to cheap energy and energy exports. By 2030, China should be able to export solar + batt for the same effects and see a 1-2% GDP boost per year.
Single junction is at around 15 cents per watt and will drop to 10 cents per watt shortly. Double junction should be around 30% efficiency and may be around 20-25 cents per watt by the end of the year. Installed prices are about 500 USD per kW of capacity in China at this point, but enhanced double junction should be able to bring prices down to 300 USD; cost per kWh for solar is about 4 cents right now, and can drop to 2.4.
The problem right now is cost of battery storage; currently, we are looking at cell prices of about 70 USD per kWh, but stationary storage cost is between 125 USD and 250 USD per kWh.
Battery prices will likely drop toward 20 USD per kWh as sodium and solid state matures, offering 30-60 USD per kWh of battery capacity.
On 5,000-10,000 cycles, it’s between 0.3 cents per kWh of storage to 1.2 cents per kWh of storage.
The economics comes out to about 3.6 cents per kWh plus 1.4 cents for 24 hours of battery storage, which makes solar + batt sufficient to replace fossil fuels altogether.
No.1830470
>stonks
>real estate
lol
No.1830827
>>1830443Tell me more and how can I learn more on the subject? Also, which stonks?
No.1830829
>>1830827Just Google. Start with China’s Dr. Evil moment, I.e, how cheap it was to jump start the solar industry. Information on batteries is harder to find, but batteries aren’t exactly there.
Byddf for BYD, the automaker, CATL is another good bet. Chinese solar, on the other hand, is not investible as they’ve hit the nasty part of the M-curve (overcapacity, smaller makers going under)
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>>1830411Correction, I meant to say subjugated, not eradicated. The relations between China and the Islamic world are basically a function of how much they bleat “Israel bad”, and they’re basically the best partner for Muslim states getting beaten up by the United States but not yet slaughtered, so Sino-Muslim relations are on a sound basis.
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