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 No.1842805

>>1842800
They might be categorized as foreign on id

 No.1842815

>>1842800

China is planning to open a SEZ in Harbin.

If the Russian nationalists have special talents like being good at thermonuclear war, I'm sure they'll be allowed to emigrate!

 No.1842821

>>1842784
The main problem with dipshits like Tobias is that they resolutely refuse to acknowledge the New Cold War, which is driving huge geopolitical change and is explicitly made to impoverish China and deny its the right to participate in scientific and technological advancement while just straight up spewing hate speech and racism against Chinese everywhere on Earth. And I mean this list of things could go on and on because this is an “all of society” war against the Orient. And the thing is EVERYONE other world knows about this and openly talks about it except for these guys who pretend it’s not happening, or worse imply that the right way to respond is to just to let western leftists mutter about how it’s not good but it’s not the real issue, and just accept massive destruction and repression of your whole country by a racist empire and if you oppose this you’re nationalists leading us to barbarism. Awful

 No.1842823

>>1842815
>like being good at thermonuclear war,
A STRANGE GAME.
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY

 No.1842826

你好,我希望这个翻译没问题。我用普通话发送这个信息,以便更少无知的美国人可以给我一个二手信息。;)
我从一些人那里听说(没有太多证据),大多数汉人不希望其他国家的人和他们住在一起,说汉人有一种非常民族主义的种族主义态度。
虽然,我也在YouTube上看到过一些视频,其中人们(不是来自亚洲)与中国的陌生人交谈并受到欢迎。我的一些家人去过中国,他们说即使在农村地区,人们也很友好。所以,我看到了一个矛盾,我怀疑这是反华宣传!

根据你的经验,人们如何看待那些没有中国血统的人?不同的外国人之间有什么样的区别(例如,由于帝国主义多年来入侵他们的国家,欧洲人是否被不同看待?出于同样的原因,深色皮肤的人是否被视为同志情谊?

 No.1842828

>>1842789
>USA wants a strong pretext to ban everything Chinese
Why even wait for one? They could just make something up.
>China wants to alienate EU from US.
Is this even possible? EU has always been America's bitch

 No.1842830

>>1842821

There is simply no need to jump the gun. You have to prepare for battle, absolutely, but let the diplomats do their work and your part in this is to help smooth Sino-American relations as much as possible, for as long as possible.

Read Communist Party of China publications carefully and follow the main line. Let the Party take the lead on it; if open warfare becomes unavoidable, be ready, but try to keep things together as long as possible.

 No.1842848


 No.1842849

the dude who wrote the book did a talk

 No.1842862

>>1838995
>Fast forward a few decades to a booming China. In my many visits over the years — as a teacher, as a visiting artist and as a tourist — Shanghai hotel staff had always returned my credit card to me with two hands, a bow of the head, and a smile. But with a quarter of the world’s construction cranes said to be in the city during China’s boom years, raising skyscrapers from what had been rice paddies, attitudes had changed. My credit card was returned with one hand; the receptionist barely looked up.

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 No.1842869

>>1842862
>Busy person working a busy job doesn't have time to flatter customers

wow

 No.1842878

>>1842826
>根据你的经验,人们如何看待那些没有中国血统的人?不同的外国人之间有什么样的区别(例如,由于帝国主义多年来入侵他们的国家,欧洲人是否被不同看待?出于同样的原因,深色皮肤的人是否被视为同志情谊?

The situation is quite the opposite: white Europeans and Americans are much more accepted, while Arabs, black people, brown-skinned individuals, and Southeast Asians are much less accepted. Once a woman marries a black man, many men in China consider it shameful according to discussions on Chinese internet platforms. Due to many Chinese platforms displaying IP addresses, IPs from Europe and America often receive high praise.

In fact, there's quite a high level of mistrust even towards North Korea. In the leftist circles I often engage with, it's generally believed that North Korea isn't truly communist; there are statements like 'Marx's books are banned in North Korea,' 'North Koreans don't see Chinese people as comrades,' and 'North Korea is a feudal dictatorship.' This is more or less the prevailing sentiment.

Regarding the situation of foreign residency, one can refer to the 2020 draft of the 'Regulations of the People's Republic of China on the Permanent Residence of Foreigners.' (《中华人民共和国外国人永久居留管理条例》)The public opinion mostly revolves around criticism and disagreement, with many believing that the government is aiming to change China by implementing a Western-style immigration system. Some moderate views suggest prioritizing high-end talent and people from Europe and America, while excluding black individuals. However, no final decision has been made."


刚好相反,欧美白人被接受程度要高很多,而阿拉伯人、黑人、棕色人种与东南亚人接受程度要低很多
女性一旦嫁给黑人,在中国网络上将被许多男性认为是一种耻辱
由于中国许多平台显示了ip地址,欧美地区的ip地址经常会得到高赞

事实上,就连对朝鲜的不信任程度也是相当高,在我经常接触的左翼群体里一般都认为朝鲜不是共产主义,“马克思的书已经在朝鲜被禁止了”、“朝鲜人不会把中国人当作同志看待”“朝鲜是封建极权”差不多就是这种思想

关于外国人居留的情况,可以看看2020年的《中华人民共和国外国人永久居留管理条例》(征求意见稿),公众舆论大抵就是骂,不同意,认为要给中国换种,搞欧美式移民。折中点的论点要求高端人才、欧美地区的人,不要黑人。最后也是没推出来

 No.1842886

>>1842849
TL;DW from 41:00 onward
>China believes that the West hit rock bottom, it's not in "decline", it's done
>the West is unwilling to innovate in terms of politics to find new forms to address its 50 yrs of unending economic degradation
>China is creating global qualitative change comparable to the USSR
>China is preparing a "New Form of Human Civilization"
>they are not afraid of the West, they don't expect a conflict in Taiwan because time is on China's side but if the West is forcing one they are prepared to fight it
>Western leaders suffer from "Outdated cold war thinking" – the West can not innovate, it's having a hissy fit that it can't back up economically (e.g. 2022 was the best year of China-US trade so far)
This is how they assess Western leaders
>Biden: geriatric, "his brain's gone"
They assess leaders based on competence & experience
>Annalena Baerbock (German foreign minister): utterly inexperienced & incompetent
>Blinken: incompetent
>Sholtz: cunning… but incompetent
>Macron: potentially competent leader
>Lula: competent

 No.1842897

>>1842878
>The situation is quite the opposite: white Europeans and Americans are much more accepted, while Arabs, black people, brown-skinned individuals, and Southeast Asians are much less accepted. Once a woman marries a black man, many men in China consider it shameful according to discussions on Chinese internet platforms.
Do you have a theory for why? Do you think this has to do with social status, like the appearance of having power and money? Or is it something more cultural?

>In fact, there's quite a high level of mistrust even towards North Korea.

>'North Koreans don't see Chinese people as comrades,' and 'North Korea is a feudal dictatorship.' This is more or less the prevailing sentiment.
Oh, that's sad to hear. I understand the critique of the North Korean government moving away from Marxism, yes, but I have heard about the comradery shown by Chinese soldiers in the Korean War. So soon after the devastating Chinese Civil War, and such a huge sacrifice at the time in a horrible war. Maybe it's strange for me to say this from so far away, but it felt like there was a real sense of fraternity, of shared struggle, among the Chinese soldiers fighting for a different nearby country, and it's sad to see that friendship evaporate over the following decades. I wonder how it happens.

>Some moderate views suggest prioritizing high-end talent and people from Europe and America, while excluding black individuals. However, no final decision has been made.

It reminds me of the "White Australia Policy" from the country I live in, before the 1950s:
<The White Australia policy was a set of racist policies that aimed to forbid people of non-European ethnic origins – especially Asians (primarily Chinese) and Pacific Islanders – from immigrating to Australia in order to create a "white/British" ideal focused on but not exclusively Anglo-Celtic [British] peoples.
But it's also interesting (and sad) to in the context of all the trade with Africa in the Belt and Road Initiative. The impression they try to give is that of a shared struggle among the Chinese and African peoples, having both been exploited by European colonization and then global economic exploitation (like IMF loans). They say, we are friends, we know how you feel and want to work with you rather than exploit you. Pro-China Marxist-Leninists and Chinese Nationalists in English-speaking websites will constantly talk about this and praise China for it.

 No.1843001

One of the reasons why our economy is growing is […] because we welcome immigrants. […] Why is China stalling so badly economically? Why is Japan having trouble? Why is Russia? Why is India? Because they’re xenophobic. They don’t want immigrants,” Biden said, according to a speech transcript published on the White House webpage on Thursday.

https://swentr.site/news/596954-joe-biden-japan-india-xenophobic/

 No.1843007

>>1843001
>China
>Rússia
>India
>Doing bad economicaly
My sides Limao

 No.1843029

>>1842862
ONE HAND…? INSTEAD OF TWO?!?!
the west has fallen

 No.1843035

>>1842897
I offer some of my personal arguments.

China today is the product of reform and opening up. As you may know, before the West started seeing China as a major threat, there was a considerable period of friendly relations between China and the West. China even acted as a rival to the Soviet Union geopolitically, despite being close allies in the preceding decades. This kind of China inevitably has been influenced by Western values. Some of the stances exhibited by Chinese individuals today resemble those of Eastern Europeans. However, China is not entirely a product of color revolutions. Unlike Eastern Europeans who view the pre-communist era negatively, many Chinese still hold onto socialist symbols, albeit often nationalist versions of them. You can find Chinese who admire Marx openly criticizing Western values and immigration of black people.

> Oh, that's sad to hear. I understand the critique of the North Korean government moving away from Marxism, yes, but I have heard about the comradery shown by Chinese soldiers in the Korean War. So soon after the devastating Chinese Civil War, and such a huge sacrifice at the time in a horrible war. Maybe it's strange for me to say this from so far away, but it felt like there was a real sense of fraternity, of shared struggle, among the Chinese soldiers fighting for a different nearby country, and it's sad to see that friendship evaporate over the following decades. I wonder how it happens.


< Of course, many of these views are 'benefiting from liberal propaganda,' even leftist groups are subjected to a lot of negative propaganda about North Korea from liberals. And some aspects of North Korea's external portrayal do indeed conflict with leftist positions. Last time I mentioned on Bilibili that not everyone going to North Korea would be shot, I received over a dozen comments from liberals criticizing me.


On the other hand, due to the high development level of the West and the historical underdevelopment of Asia, Africa, and Latin America in comparison, admiration for white people from the West and discrimination against countries less developed than themselves should be common thoughts in many Asian, African, and Latin American countries.

The 'Belt and Road Initiative' is the stance of our government. The Chinese government approaches trade relations quite rationally. However, the general public tends not to dwell too much on relations with countries far away in the Middle East. Instead, they often see policies that appear friendlier to foreigners than to their own people domestically as a sign of poor governance.

In the 21st century, like many, or perhaps all countries in the world, China's ideology must also serve the interests of the nation and the people, even if it differs from Western ideology. Chinese society will also produce different ideologies: nationalist, social Darwinist, internationalist, anti-immigration, pro-immigration, and so on.

我给予一些我个人的论点

现在的中国是经历过改革开放后的中国,如你所知,在欧美尚未把中国视作一个大威胁之前,中国与西方拥有相当一段时间的友好时间,中国甚至在地缘上充当对苏联的对手——尽管在前几十年它们是挚友。这样的的中国不可避免的受到西方价值观的影响,一些中国人现在表现的立场你可以从东欧人身上看到类似的思想。但中国毕竟不是完全颜色革命的国家,同东欧人把前共产主义统治时期视作负面不一样,许多中国人依然把许多社会主义符号当作向往,虽然很多是被民族主义化的社会主义符号,你可以看见一个崇拜马克思的中国人大声谈论对西方价值观以及黑人移民的批评。

当然,这里面很多观点得“得益于自由派的宣传”,即使是左翼群体,也受到了很多自由派对朝鲜的负面宣传。以及朝鲜的从外部表现的一些地方确实和左翼立场有冲突
上次我在b站说去朝鲜又不会人人都被枪毙被自由派骂了十几条评论

另一方面,由于西方的高度发达以及亚非拉由于历史因素发展较西方落后,对西方白人的崇拜以及发展较自身落后的国家歧视应该是很多亚非拉国家都有的一种思想。

“一带一路”是我国政府的立场,中国政府对商贸关系表现出相当的理性。而民众则不会过多去考虑对远在中东的国家,他们更多会认为国内一些对外国人表现出大于本国人的友好政策是一种糟糕的表现

在21世纪的今天,如同世界上很多,或者说所有国家一样,中国的意识形态也必须服从国家与民族利益,即使与西方的意识形态不一样。而中国人也会分化出不同的思想,民族主义思想、社会达尔文思想、国际主义思想、反对移民的思想,接受移民的思想等等

 No.1843048

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>>1843001
>Biden said
Stop tricking me into reading brainrot uygha.

 No.1843197

>>1842800
>>1842805(Me)
Forgot to add that han Chinese nationalist extremists have same views
>>1842826
People could be racists online absurdly trust me
I'm a Chinese internet lurker
>>1842897
>Do you have a theory for why? Do you think this has to do with social status, like the appearance of having power and money? Or is it something more cultural?
Boys are kinda always hypocritical about cross racial marriage, it's not exactly about blacks but foreigners
>It reminds me of the "White Australia Policy" from the country I live in, before the 1950s:
Some are saying that this was about former Chinese Nationals not exactly foreigners

 No.1843368

On the topic of racism in China, I see burger police videos getting reposted on Douyin. When it's a black guy getting victimized there's usually comments like 来中国 or come to China. There's also continential Africans and white foreigners posting videos there and they seem to be quite popular.

 No.1843587

>>1843368

From personal experience, the Chinese cops are quite lenient especially if you don't give them attitude. They're generally unarmed, except for SWAT equivalent, and will be courteous if you're courteous.

From hearsay, they're very by the book these days because they're afraid of Roboute Guilliman (Maoist name for Xi) trying to fully enforce all laws and regulations concerning the police.

 No.1843590

Curious, what are your guys' takes on the military balance? How worried should we be that the Americans pull the trigger and Zerg-rush China before it's ready? If they do so, what are the odds that the US will have its teeth punched in?

 No.1843597

>>1843590
>Zerg-rush China
Burgerland don't have the manpower for that. Maybe you got confused with another tactic?

 No.1843600

>>1843597
Photon Cannon Rush?

 No.1843603

>>1843590
The US navy got bodied by a bunch of Yemenis with rocket launchers. Why do you think they haven't invaded China yet?

 No.1843609

>>1843590
They're currently spending all their ressources on their proxy wars and genocides somewhere else. Most they can do is pointlessly sanction China as if they weren't countering against this by building connections to countries don't lick America's soles constantly.

 No.1843736

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>>1843590
America and its allied asian countries could probably ruin China if they went about it the right way, but it gets harder for them to do that every year. China can absolutely win in a direct open war but it wont be easy.
>>1843587
>Roboute Guilliman (Maoist name for Xi)
Lmao what?

 No.1843763

>>1843590
It’s gonna be a repeat of the Eastern Front but the outcome will be even worse for the Axis of Burger.

Small strategic gains and hundreds of thousand of Chinese civies dead will be repaid a thousandfold after Communism shows it’s industrial muscles yet again.

 No.1843782

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White editor of Chuang.

It should go without saying that if the demonstrations on US campus started beating *sympathetic members of their encampments for speaking Hebrew* they would both lose all credibility and deserve to be destroyed because that would be evidence that they in fact truly were anti-semitic in nature.


I don't think the anti-Sinitic left has even pretended that they thought violence and racism against the Chinese was a problem worth talking about. And they received so much credibility and still clearly feel their oats so much that they now go out and say they personally witnessed racist mobs brutalizing innocent people for speaking Chinese and it doesn't bother them and shouldn't bother you. These people need to be held to the fire honestly.

 No.1843884

>>1843736
>America and its allied asian countries could probably ruin China if they went about it the right way
There is absolutely no scenario where this happens.

 No.1843905

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>>1843884
Naive.

 No.1843908

>>1843905
Yeah then they get nuked in retaliation. Deterrence renders this scenario impossible.

 No.1843915

>>1843905
>>1843908
Geopolitically speaking nukes are outdated

 No.1843917

>>1843908
Able Archer '83 has shown that they are quite willing to fight a Nuclear war against Communism if they think they can win, nothing is impossible.

 No.1843944

Question for any Chinese anons or anyone else who knows, what is the origin and importance to Chinese people of the use of phrases like the 'three favorables' the 'two whatevers' 'three noes' etc? Why do they use these type of number phrases commonly?

 No.1843963

>>1843944
Logographic Aestetics and two/three are considered to be lucky numbers. It's also a reference to classical Chinese literature.

 No.1843970

Wtf? Nobody told me that socialism with Chinese characteristics had such sick flows.

 No.1843974

>>1843917
You are right. They would if they thought they could win but I doubt they could for now. As it stands, America doesn't even know how much of its nuclear stockpile would work. They are already planning to spend a trillion dollars trying to make sure they are fixed and ready to launch. This plan would take place over a period of decades and knowing American cost overruns it will end up several trillion if they actually do it at all.
https://time.com/6212698/nuclear-missiles-icbm-triad-upgrade/

 No.1844088

>>1843782
Context?

 No.1844108

>>1843944

Chinese has very limited plurality (们 is added to specify a generic group of people, but that has an informal tone), so to make plurality explicit you'd need to add a number and a measureword.

三个代表 (Three Represents) would be more idiomatic in English as "The Representations" or "Representationality", but it cuts out the specific number indicated in Chinese.

 No.1844113

>>1843597

The Americans have enough cannon fodder in the vicinity, but yeah, Photon Cannon rush is more accurate given that most of China's neighbors are maritime and it's more a state of island siege.

***

Nukes, China has multiple nuking sites; i.e, road-mobile bases, silo farms in Xinjiang, Underground Great Wall in the Taihang mountains, South China Sea and Bay of Bohai nuke sub pens.

Only problem is whether China can have enough nukes to do the job properly, and the DoD estimates Chinese stockpiles currently at 500, with a ramp up to 1k or more by 2030.

Cobalt self-nuking is also a possible option if the Americans insist on trying to do nuclear first strike; i.e, the radioactive cobalt will spread through the atmosphere and sterilize the planet, but it's not a useful "announced" capability due to being horrifically destabilizing (everyone has cobalt nukes, any use of cobalt nukes means that everyone dies, maybe someone will have an accident?), although afaik the West believes the Chinese have done research in that direction.

 No.1844115

>>1844108
This is only slightly answering his or her question. This is not a translation issue, the Chinese bureaucracy has been using numbered goals for hundreds of years now and it feels strange to the rest of the world. I'm not sure why they do that but if I had guess it's tied to Confucius and political tradition, and from what I see the more China is aligning itself with the west the less they use this kind of nomenclature.

 No.1844119

>>1844115

I think it's the West's problem that they're averse to numbered goals / numbered concepts. It is more precise and memorable than more nebulous policy objectives, even if numbered goals / numbered concepts are still a minimum level of numeracy.

 No.1844123

What's leftypol views on Comrade Lu Shaye's statement that post-Soviet states "have no effective status in international law"?

I think it's based and is shows that deep down the CPC has the correct view about the dissolution of the Soviet Union: it was an illegal, illegitimate act

 No.1844128

>>1844115

Also, Chinese has its own Latin / Sanskrit, Classical Chinese, which is seen as a prestige language. Here, 4 character set idioms are normative and present an extremely concise way to express a complex concept.

Going from this direction, Two Whatevers ends up being a 4 character idiom, as does Three Represents.

***

Another important thing is that Chinese doesn't use an alphabet, and acronymization in Chinese works by using short forms of digraphs and multi-character words.

Consider, say, SOLID:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLID

If it were, say, Chinese coming up with the term, given 5 elements, it'd be impossible to acronymize and would likely be translated as 5 principles of OOP.

***

Consequently, the idiomatic translation of Two Whatevers would probably be APAI, "any policy any instruction" or APAIM "any policy any instruction of Mao's".

Three Represents would be APACOM, advanced production, advanced culture, overwhelming masses.

One Belt, One Road gets acronymized as OBOR, but that essentially represents what the numbered policies in Chinese are.

 No.1844137

>>1843736

There are claims that Roboute Guilliman is the Maoist pet name for Xi Jinping. We really, really need Roboute Guilliman - Xi Jinping memes to spam around, because it's a perfect Maoist dogwhistle in the West.

 No.1844145

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>, but at what cost?

 No.1844157

>>1843590

The burgers wont do shit because they can't do shit. It will be a slow decline from now on. They will plunder what they can at home and call it a day.


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