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Absolute State of America Edition
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State mandated propaganda livestreams:
CNN:
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.htmlMSNBC:
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.htmlFOX:
https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.htmlBloomberg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism No.1834969
>>1834906Lmao love how they gave up on putting the Ukrainian flag on the top of each edition
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>>1834949It's not, people will move on eventually.
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>>1834949Reality is becoming increasingly unfavorable to their programs, so now all they can do is try and control its perception.
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>>1834958Some say itās motivated by the declining economic strength and *social inversion* whereby Chinese become richer and more culturally progressive than Japan.
But really is just that in the Selected Countries itās become permissible and even encouraged to hate Chinese because they are aligned as part of the West against the oriental menace. Most racism is barely restrained and held back by social norms. When those norms invert, pure hatred suffuses the social space without bound, until it shocks the conscience. It happened here too, starting in 2017 and peaking 2021 or so, and is gathering strength again. But in Japan and SK itās acceptable to call for death of all Chinese in the last few years.
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Trump slams anti Israel protesters, promises to "fire the radical left" from all college campuses if electedhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-hell-fire-radical-left-from-colleges-focus-on-defending-american-tradition-if-electedhttps://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/donald-trump-slams-antiisrael-protests-at-columbia-university/video/72129fbeb2576db91943e8ed9cd4053aTrump said his "secret weapon" will be the "college accreditation system," which he says is called "accreditation for a reason."
"When I return to the White House, I will fire the radical left, accreditors that have allowed our colleges to become dominated by Marxist maniacs and lunatics," the former president continued. "We will then accept applications for new accreditors who will impose real standards on colleges once again, and once and for all."
Trump said the standards would include "defending the American tradition and Western civilization, protecting free speech, eliminating wasteful administrative positions that drive up costs, incredibly, removing all Marxist diversity, equity and inclusion bureaucrats, offering options for accelerated and low cost degrees, providing meaningful job placement and career services, and implementing college entrance and exit exams to prove that students are actually learning and getting their money's worth."
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>>1834980I am not american, but i am not voting for trump after that
No.1834993
>>1834983But but but he's le based anti-imperialist
No.1834999
>>1834486Why arenāt there UN peacekeeping missions in the U.S.? There is violence and political instability.
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>>1834976>But in Japan and SK itās acceptable to call for death of all Chinese in the last few years.The US is probably prepping them to be cannon fodder shock troops.
No.1835002
>>1834976Itās all artificial and propaganda
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>>1834980LMAO, Don Zion strikes again to show how the GOP is essentialy a party of opportunists and evangelical imperialists who seek the interests of the bourgeoise, truly the "america first" party that only support the few chvddy petit burger losers.
Guess america is fucked with those brainrotted imperialists on power,
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>>1834980Expect the leftiods here who still has cringe/based dialectics in their brains to DEFEND this.
I am not telling you to voot for biden, if you are an accelerationist go vooot for trump but I am sick and tired of all this trumpfaggotry on this leftypol
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>>1834920>>1834850Gonna offer my own take here and say I disagree with the fundamental premise of "accelerationism" as Socialist praxis. If anything I imagine it'd benefit Fascists and I sincerely doubt the "After them, us" nonsense that gets spouted around. Hell I've heard the term "accelerationism" actually comes from an Italian Neo-Fascist (a self described "Nazi-Maoist") during the years of lead; he thought it would lead
them to power first and foremost.
That aside I think it goes back to the Caesar versus Spartacus dilemma I mentioned. For those who are wondering what I'm talking about, Oswald Mosley in his "The Philosophy of Fascism" contrasts the figure of Julius Caesar to Spartacus briefly, saying:
>Caesarism stood against Spartacism on the one hand and the Patrician Senate on the other. […] whenever the world, under the influence of Spartacus drifted to complete collapse and chaos, it was always what Spengler called the āgreat fact-menā who extracted the world from the resultant chaos and gave mankind very often centuries of peace and of order in a new system and a new stability.Contrast this with Karl Marx, who called Caesar a "mediocre individual" I believe; whereas he saw Spartacus as a heroic leader of the ancient proletariat. I think more than seeing the worldview of these two men in these statements, you also get a deeper insight into the psychology of how people within a society react to its decline. Let's not forget, Spartacus wasn't
part of Roman society in a meaningful sense. Slaves had little to no rights, to the point I think it took later Emperors instituting laws that seem more on par with regulations against animal cruelty than any rights entitled to a full human being. It might've been Cato the Elder that said he basically worked his slaves until they were too old or broken to be worked anymore, then sold them for profit. They were exploited
by Roman society, but not members
of Roman society. Let's consider the poorest members
of Roman society and I believe they would be the plebeians. They would work from a young age, often in urban poverty, and certainly held some resentment for rich Roman patricians… however when it came down to it, they weren't friends of Spartacus. If anything they were likely rallying to the State to save them
from Spartacus. His army of freed slaves, even if the plebeians by and large weren't slave owners themselves, represented an existential threat to Roman society which they were a part of.
An example of that mindset would be: your piece of shit dad borrows some money from some cartel without telling anyone. Well he doesn't have the money at their exorbitant instant rates and now a bunch of thugs are pounding on the door to your family home. Even if your father is the biggest piece of shit on earth, you likely aren't going to open that door. You'll beat him just as much as he beats you; maybe part of you wants to kill him, but there's no way you're opening that door to the cartel. And if they try to break in, chances are you'll reach for the gun above the fireplace rather than hoping by being a passive observer they won't hurt you.
Now most of the time "Marx was speaking to his time, times have changed since then!" Is a lazy rebuttal of Marxism by people who think he only talked about how mean the old gilded age tycoons were. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand just because it's lazy. There
have been numerous changes since Marx's day, and I think the most notable of these has the gradual enfranchisement of workers under bourgeois republics. I think this represents a seismic shift from the proletariat being comparable to the "slaves of Rome" and towards a class reminiscent of the plebians. And the thing is once you're fully brought into a social reality and have a stake in it, the "fuck it, burn it all down" mentality so eagerly embraced by a lot on the Left places them in a category
outside of that reality. When I pointed out earlier that Lenin mentioned he loved the Russian language and culture as a pushback against the vulgar "fuck America" stuff on here, a lot of people huffed and said "WELL HE MERCILESSLY CRITIQUED THE TSAR! IF HE WAS A PATRIOT HE WOULD HAVE LOVED THEM!" Which, I mean, I'm not saying Lenin was at all a patriot, but there's a huge difference between critiquing the rulers of a society and
the society itself.I told a friend once, who's also a Communist, that I can't hate "America" in the general sense because America, to me, is my coworkers. It's my neighbors. It's the fellow who lived a block down from me and asked for help shopping in case his electric wheelchair broke down. It's the immigrants who came here. Hell, it's
me. Whether we want to or not, we're a part of this huge social reality, in the same way we can't choose our parents or siblings.
In Marx's day you'd see, even in republics, things like the franchise restricted to property-owning men. Hell FDR had trouble getting minimum wage passed because of a strict classical liberalism in the supreme court that saw any contract between individuals as sacrosanct, even if it's between an employee and an exploitative employer. You'd have entire communities of people who were working class, all living in the same town (maybe even the same tenement!) working six-days a week, sometimes for 14 hours a day. What Marx saw as class consciousness could also be thought of as the birth of a nation
within the nation. A nation of people with the shared experience of laboring for most of their lives under a class of ruthless capitalists. They could look their boss in the eye and see in him a symbol of a wider conflict; much like how Spartacus spent his last moments trying to kill Crassus.
But once you're brought into the system the desire to burn it down completely, barring some truly extreme circumstances, is whittled away. The Russian Proles and Peasants had centuries of truly brutal serfdom and limited political rights to look back on. The Chinese lived through a century of anarchy and the warlords which emerged were often highly self-interested and arbitrary in their rulings. The people who fought for the revolutions in those countries, broadly speaking, weren't rebelling against a society they were a part of. They were rebelling against one they were outside of.
The resilience of Bourgeois Republics in resisting revolution isn't just because of the false promise of voting, but because the modern Republican Citizen is fundamentally part of the society that the Marxist boasts they'll burn down. Revolution seems more like smashing the support beams of your own house rather than toppling an oppressor. I've been to some truly poor parts of the country, and I've met Native Americans dressed in some "'Murica, love it or leave" shit. In that same town I saw a Black man complain about "N**gers from Cali coming up here to steal and deal drugs". These weren't rich men by any means. It wasn't a town of rich people. They however saw themselves as part of a larger social organism. You could bring some really talented Marxists up there, and as long as they keep spouting the "fuck society" line they'll be alienated at best and shot at worst. Not by the feds, but likely by the people of the town themselves.
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>>1835006Trump would order the national guard to shoot the protestors. Pro-trump retards are just retarded adventurism brain rot posters who want an epic happening.
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>>1835008Oh and one final addendum: I don't think this is a particularly western phenomena. I remember watching a special report on Indian workers in salt flats. The pay was shit, the conditions were poor, these people were undeniably hyper exploited, yet I don't see them running off to join the Naxalists. As it stands one could argue that the position of the Naxalists has gotten poorer over the years, and while I confess I don't know too much of Indian politics, I don't see a Socialist Revolution emerging there in the immediate future. Maybe a Social Democracy, but even with all the problems it faces and the frankly cruel caste system within the country, as long as they can incorporate more people into the wider polity, the state can survive.
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>>1834980>(((Marxist)))We're just going to ignore this antisemitic dogwhistle aren't we?
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>>1834993Anon, its trumpover
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>>1834949Ban reddit not TikTok
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>>1835008Aren't you an advocate for fascism?
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>>1835040Bro Reddit is Glowie central Reddit is completely compromised by the Feds.
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>>1835054
Donāt click on hide I would be devastated.
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>>1835050Hang all teachers
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>>1835057it's a spambot.
they have been periodically spamming with greentext quotes of random posts ITT. seems like a test for when mods are asleep.
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>>1835049
What if I hate all my coworkers and neighbors though
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>>1834980This is Fox News, so the framing is made for a specific audience to build support for Trump. This audience is very backwards and just plainly hates all petite-bourgeois Columbia University students. Using Fox News to gauge Trump's actual relation to this issue is questionable at best.
Trump: College protests are a ādisgraceā and all āBidenās faultāhttps://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4614906-trump-college-israel-palestine-protests-disgrace-bidens-fault/<āWhatās going on at the college level and the colleges ā Columbia, NYU and others ā is a disgrace,ā Trump said as he arrived at a Manhattan courthouse for his hush money trial. āAnd itās really on Biden. He has the wrong signal. Heās got the wrong tone. Heās got the wrong words. He doesnāt know who heās backing. And itās a mess.āTrump declares here that Biden's zionism is a profound mistake. Trump is NOT a zionist.
Trump urges Israel to end its Gaza offensivehttps://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73bTrump is actively pushing for an end to the conflict.
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>>1835174Yet before all this he too was wanting to support Israel Trump is a huge Opportunist its not even funny. Man is never constant with his politics.
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>>1835174>>1835176>And itās really on Biden. He has the wrong signal. Heās got the wrong tone. Heās got the wrong words. He doesnāt know who heās backing. And itās a mess"Sounds like he wants to be even more zionist to me
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>>1835177Yeah, when trump claims everyone loves him it is true. Evryhthing he says is real policy not just the ramblings of a clown. The presideny is responsible for all laws despite having no imvolvement but the power to veto,
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>>1835168>the mussolini sculpturedeep cut reference
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TikTok discourses kind of distrubing tbh. Americans hate China so much. They donāt have any values or any kind. No principles. No right. Just a void filled with hatred and fear of the yellow peril.
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>>1835258>They donāt have any values or any kind. No principles. No right.every day i check leftypol i stumble onto a whiny moralistic post. welp
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>>1835174It could be that Trump thinks Biden isnāt going hard enough on the protestors. It is empty rhetoric.
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>>1835295>house priceKind of a bullshit statistic considering property is judged on square footage and lot size.
>OMG THE HOUSE PRICE FOR THIS 10 ACRE PROPERTYStop looking for outrage graphics and start looking for investment opportunities.
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>>1835272>>1835179Here is the full video. Isn't it funny how the mainstream media tries to frame Trump as a zionist?
All of the democrat media is doing this. Even Fox newsāwhich has been transformed into an
arm of the bourgeoisie ever since the dominion lawsuitāis trying to frame Trump as a zionist.
Headlines cannot be trusted. I don't think Trump is a zionist.
The bourgeois media has twisted Trump's words in such mindbending way in primarily two ways:
1. When Trump says that Biden abandoned Israel, I think Trump is really saying that Biden's
genocidal approach is only making things worse for them. In a way, Biden really has abandoned
Israel to the conditions he helped create.
2. When Trump says verbatim that Biden tries and fails to play nice to the Arab world, Trump
does not mean that Biden is too nice. Trump clearly means the opposite, though the bourgeois
media frames it that way.
Making immediate peace seems to be Trump's priority.
Trump really is the anti-imperialist,
despite what the bourgeois media tricks you rotten imperialist democrats into believing.
>>1835272Trump's words against the protesters are just thin air. Trump doesn't want the anti-zionist protests to end. The bottom line is that Biden is more alienated from the masses if he cracks down on them. Trump is brilliant for recognizing this.
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>>1835295>all that fucking worthless real estate in coastal floridalol
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>>1835299>>1835297?? incomprehensible underage posts
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>>1835266Youāre so stupid. Leftoids crawl so far up their own ass they donāt even remember there are differences between good and bad things.
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>>1835317This isnāt smart materialist analysis. Itās complete surrender to the national security state, fascism, racism and repression of the weak by the strong. Your life, your own freedom and the forces that shape your future are dictated by hatred of China now. And you deceive yourself pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse.
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>>1835308>All of the democrat media is doing this. Even Fox newsāwhich has been transformed into anarm of the bourgeoisie ever since the dominion lawsuit
Are you an actual polconvert?
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>>1835320Thank you for pointing out my error. I meant to say that Fox was transformed BACK into an arm of the bourgeoisie after the dominion lawsuit and Tucker was booted. Fox briefly WAS a revolutionary outlet, back when Trump was president.
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It's very refreshing to see how many normies support or are at least sympathetic to the student protesters despite the overwhelming negative media narrative. I think Porky's overplaying his hand with these cracksdowns and there will be a lot more backlash than he's expecting.
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>>1835295wealthier areas have higher real estate prices
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The reaction to these anti-genocide protests seems even more bloodthirsty than the response to BLM in 2020. Fucking bleak shit.
I've yet to see what's actually so "authoritarian" about the encampments either. They're just….there.
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>>1835308Pro-Trump lefties are fucking delusional.
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>>1835368Yeah. These are elite universities not some random street protestors too.
Islamophobia plus boomer evangelical worship of Israel are big drivers of this stupid response. Smart choice was to ignore it and let it fade, but they just couldn't help themselves.
Thankfully it draws attention to the situation.
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>>1835319>And you deceive yourself pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse.The American state has embraced Chinese racism before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_ActThere's even been Chines massacres before too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacrehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_MassacreThose massacres were actually recorded and many were not. Who know how many have actually been killed over the years without documentation.
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>>1835319>pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse…for the USA
They no longer has the political or economic capacity to re-enact the draft. So their escalation to protect their hegemon status may as well be speeding towards a precipice, while cry-chugging the brake fluid.
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>>1835377The vicious repression of these protests is good honestly
Itās the inverse of what happened with BLM
With BLM you had night gang fucking shit up and people realizing āOh shit, if we fight backā¦.they retreatā
With whatās happening now, every repression over basically just students walking around campus and chanting not only triggers more protests in more campuses, but also professors walking out to, and the formation of barricades and protestors fighting cops by necessity
Maybe zionists, the psychotic retards that they are, are a boon to the class struggle, these slimy fucks couldnāt help themselves, they needed all Americans to kneel, they need each and every college president to bow, and now theyāre literally compelling all non-Boomer Americans to despise Zionism and Israel and want the downfall of both
Imagine living to see the last major colonial project in the world collapse in your lifetime š
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>>1835348Itās a few things
First off mainstream media is basically dying, even boomers are online now, people get their news online
Secondly, Americans despise being stopped from protesting our own government, we sure as fuck wonāt stand to be repressed to uphold some smarmy, parasitic, genocidal foreign regime
No.1835391
>>1835258Why do you believe the TikTok discourse is at all organic? 1 in every 3 Americans has a TikTok account and regularly uses TikTok, the online posts celebrating the ban are mostly glowops
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>>1835052It increasingly feels that way, with CPUSA anon
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>>1834629Because good citizens have nothing to fear
If you arenāt a terrorist the state wonāt hurt you
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>>1835368Commies now have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make their voices heard and awaken some class conciousness.
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>>1835389maybe so, it's just really hard for me to believe any of that when virtually everyone around me - family, friends, coworkers - is a frothing zionist-supporter.
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>>1835389>āOh shit, if we fight backā¦Until the election season is over, then it's back to brunch.
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>>1835174>politicians are sincere, especially the one I preferKid, you're not gonna make it in the real world.
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>>1835401Your immediate social circle is never an unbiased sample.
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>>1835402This doesnāt even make sense, night gang werenāt pigskin liberals, youāre thinking of day gang
Faggot
>>1835401I donāt know a single Zionist outside of some retarded ex-coworker everyone hated
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>>1834629I honestly think it might have more to do with how their algorithm is less shitty than other platforms and the ādata collectionā fear mongering is a smoke screen.
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>>1835377>>1835389These protests need workers to join in, otherwise this is going to fizzle out if it's just students protesting.
>>1835402Not going to happen. Unlike last time, these people know that Demonrats are not to be trusted at all and won't stop after the election.
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>>1835410
Unfortunately the working class has slightly more important and immediate things to worry about than virtue signaling for some moral crusade half a world away. But none of these students have ever worked a day in their lives so itās not surprising they donāt think spiraling inflation and crippling debt are issues
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>>1835414Literally the most obvious glow article Iāve seen in a while jfc
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>>1835368Possibly has something to do with those universities being closely tied to the defense industry.
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>>1835414Left anti-communists really desperately trying to avoid using the term āsocialistā so they have to make up shit
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>>1835419The writers of that article arenāt left anti-communists, just liberals or glowops, and Russia isnāt socialist retard
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>>1835420Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist in terms of geopolitics and foreign policy which in the waning days of imperialism is what matters most
>The writers of that article arenāt left anti-communists, just liberals or glowopsSame thing
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>>1835414Well i am the prominent figure for Authoritarian Posadism. We are going to nuke the Imperial Core sending out missiles on ourselves in the US. That way we going to have a huge signal flare for the Space Comrades.
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>>1835421Oh
Youāre that retard
Neck yourself
No.1835427
>>1835413Why is it always TOR users doing shit like shilling for Russia, shilling for Trump, and doing back door defenses for genocidal zionism?
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>>1835427Either /pol/ trolls trying to avoid a ban or just fuckheads
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>>1835427Maybe because Marxist Leninists have been actively censored and banned so long that the only avenue to break up the liberal circlejerk is by using the tor node? Unsurprising the mods decided to further poisoning the well to imply anybody going around random 5 year unappealable bans for āspamā or often no stated reason at all are just le Russian spies. Just some food for thought
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>>1835421>Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist in terms of geopolitics and foreign policyI don't get it, what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"
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>>1835429Maybe consider having opinions that are consistent with marxism?
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>>1835430It means nothing.
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>>1835430The steadfast containment of and opposition to imperialism and Atlanticism
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>>1835431>>1835430m8 this is clearly a disturbed person. That's why the only advice is "Don't try".
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>>1835434I'm pretty sure it's actually Butthole Flag Guy
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Also implying that the āfreeā Palestine solution would actually solve anything rather than just dispersing the Zionists to other friendly countries to continue acting in the interests of the West is at best idealist drivel and actively anti-materialist. Nowhere do I see any of these protesters actually advocating to cut off the head of the snake, they just want to seem like theyāre doing something so that Zionism can have a progressive face
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>>1835430>I don't get it, what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"it's a gargantuan cope
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>>1835421>Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist LeninistDelusional.
>>1835430>what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"clear signs of mental illness
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>>1835436When the situation is desperate, you don't get to pick your friends.
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>>1835429>Maybe because MLs are censored and bannedImagine having this much of a victim complex on a board that regularly bans people for dunking on stalinists lmao
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>>1835436>Mfw nigha shills Russia and also zionismI see why you use TOR
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>>1835443Oh, fucking bullshit. We all know he did it.
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>>1835442You people are so utterly boring I can't even be bothered coming up with a joke
/pol/ pot meet kettle
No.1835448
>>1835447>boringWhat's boring is being a contrarian. Grow some actual principles and come back when you have sincere opinions and not just bad-faith "trigger the radlibs" shit
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>>1835441Because first world university students are the poster children of ādesperateā
>>1835445Amazing how calling for a long term solution to Zionism rather than simply a quick fix that lets the Zionists flee and reorganize is āZionismā
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>>1835449What long-term solution? If Israel is gone hypothetically what power do these people still have? Who gives a fuck if they run to America to cry, America will still be there and would fuck with the MENA with or without Israel you fuckin retard
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>>1835443Finally they released /ourguy/ weinstein, he didnt do anything wrong but make feminists mad by being a netorare doujin ugly bastard and raping actresses. Woke btfo
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Come back lol
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>>1835449this isn't about the students, this is about getting every body on every front line possible. This is a huge opportunity for a consensus crack in the intellectual nerve centers of the imperial core. That weakens Israel's soft power further.
Don't be dense just so you can get off on being contrarian.
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>>1835058>>1835050What the fuck is wrong with teachers? Is it the low salaries and bullshit politicking leaves only the most ideologically motivated? The only good one I had growing up was a carpenter turned math teacher who switched career to have the same schedule as his wife.
>>1835450>social progress is when a rich black man can get away with what a rich white man doesIt's not wrong, but it's also not something to cheer for. I read an interesting article in my alumni newspaper from some black gen x guy who was in school at the time and he was literally cheering for this. It rubbed me wrong.
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Trump downplays deadly Charlottesville rally as a āpeanutā compared to Israel-Gaza protestshttps://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/politics/donald-trump-charlottesville-palestine-protests/index.htmlDonald Trump on Wednesday night downplayed the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which led to a womanās death, as a āpeanutā compared to the demonstrations happening across the US against Israelās actions in Gaza.
In August 2017, White nationalists, neo-Nazis and other right-wing groups descended on Charlottesville to protest the cityās decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, with some gathered chanting, āJews will not replace us.ā One of the attendees rammed his car into a crowd, killing a 32-yeard-old paralegal and injuring several others.
There have been no reports of any comparable violence occurring during the pro-Palestinian demonstrations taking place across the country, which have centered largely on college campuses. Public officials have condemned incidents of antisemitism that have occurred amid the protests and raised concerns over the safety of Jewish students.
Trumpās comments are his latest attempt to minimize the Charlottesville incident. He was widely condemned in 2017 for declaring there were āvery fine peopleā on both sides of the demonstrations. Joe Biden invoked those comments when he announced his 2020 president campaign against Trump.
āCrooked Joe Biden would say, constantly, that he ran because of Charlottesville. Well, if thatās the case, heās done a really terrible job because Charlottesville is like a āpeanutā compared to the riots and anti-Israel protests that are happening all over our Country, RIGHT NOW,ā Trump posted on Truth Social Wednesday night. Trump also accused Biden in the post of hating Israel and the Jewish people, but hating the Palestinian people even more. When asked about Trumpās post, Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told CNN, āPresident Trump is 100% correct.ā
Biden campaign spokesperson Ammar Moussa said in a statement that āthe American people are not going to be lectured to by the guy who called white supremacists very fine people after they chanted āJews will not replace usā and killed a woman.ā Biden on Monday decried antisemitic incidents that have occurred amid protests around college campuses and said his administration was working to combat anti-Jewish hatred. āI condemn the antisemitic protests, thatās why Iāve set up a program to deal with that,ā Biden said when questioned about the events at Columbia University in New York. āI also condemn those who donāt understand whatās going on with the Palestinians.ā
Pro-Palestinian protests have taken place at major universities across the US with nearly 100 people arrested at the University of Southern California and dozens arrested at the University of Texas in Austin on Wednesday. Protesters at Columbia University, the epicenter of demonstrations that began last week, said they wonāt disperse until the school agrees to cut ties with Israeli universities and commits to divesting funds from Israel-linked entities, among other demands.
Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson visited the campus on Wednesday to call for Columbia University President Minouche Shafik to resign if she cannot bring order to the campus. His calls were amid the growing unrest on these college campuses, leading to numerous congressional hearings and, at least in part, to the resignation of two Ivy League presidents ā Claudine Gay at Harvard University and Liz Magill at the University of Pennsylvania.
No.1835476
>>1835470>been-there dadswhat did he mean by this
No.1835481
>>1835476#metoo survivors?
No.1835488
>>1835472>Trump also accused Biden in the post of hating Israel and the Jewish people, but hating the Palestinian people even more.Trump is anti-zionist.
No.1835491
>>1835486I mean… he's explicitly making a favorable comparison to a bunch of neo-nazis who were themselves openly calling for a genocide within the US, against Jews, in order to smear anti-zionist protestors as antisemites. And he's the former, likely next POTUS. And regardless of whether he wins or loses, he is the current leader of the GOP. As much of a clown as he is, what he says does matter. We know he's emboldened far right gropus, like in the case of the event he is talking about there (Unite the Right).
No.1835506
>>1835495
>>What the fuck is wrong with teachers? Is it the low salaries and bullshit politicking leaves only the most ideologically motivated?
Yes. That's why you tend to get leftist teachers, it's the thing of wanting to actually improve society somewhat plus the fact that nobody else really wants to do it unless it can be unavoided, leaving as you say the 'ideologically motivated ones'.
Not a bad thing entirely although I would like to see them paid more but you tend to see in response over the last decades that schooling has got much strickter in what is able to be teached and teachers can less and less add their own lessions or teaching style or etc outside of the national curriculums, not that it is pointless to go in to teaching but it is a lot harder than it was as a leftist in that regard.
No.1835510
>>1835491The only time Charlottesville is ever brought anymore up is to smear trump, not like I care about the guy (he will most certainly not win the election) but it's clear as day that's what's happening. And it is a small peanut compared to gaza. 1 fat chick getting run over by another fat dude who is in prison for the rest of his life now… why should I care about some dumb burgershit that happened 7 years ago.
No.1835519
>>1835472can't this faggot just die already
No.1835520
>>1835486What, did you want me to give you another affirmation that a lot of people are being killed or starved? It's not like you and everyone else here didn't already know that.
No.1835534
>>1835520>What, did you want me to give you another affirmationI commented on the link you posted, did you write the article? If not I don't care what you do.
No.1835538
>>1835472I really really want every bougeois person to be put in gulags. Is that too much to ask
No.1835549
>>1835506>leftist teachersGo back to /pol/. I have met a handful of leftist teachers and most of them changed career. What's left are mostly "muh bootstraps" libs telling soon to be prole kids if you read enough of porky's books and shine his shoes you can be the next Jeff Bezos. Not to mention they hypocritically contribute to the student debts crisis by telling everyone they have to go to college because it inflates their high school's prestige (lol).
No.1835552
More Perfect Union Poll:
Among 500 Alabama Residents as a whole, 52/21, residents APPROVE of Mercedes Autoworkers unionizing in Tuscaloosa.
The approval rating of the UAW itself as a union:
Alabama Democrats: 58/15 APPROVE
Alabama Republicans : 35/32 APPROVE
Racial breakdown of the Tuscaloosa Mercedes Union Vote:
White in general: 49/27 APPROVE
White men: 42/35 APPROVE
White women: 45/19 APPROVE
Black men: 82% APPROVE
Black women: 66/8 APPROVE
CPUSAnon….
I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boys
No.1835564
>>1835552>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boysthey got them there liberal genes
No.1835566
Northwestern University. Media morons and political dimwits think ordering students around and telling them they can't do something will make them stop doing it. I don't think leftypol needs to be reminded that the opposite is what is going to happen.
Article from Berkeley:
>The sound of buzzing surveillance drones over Gaza played from a loudspeaker on the steps of UC Berkeleyās Sproul Hall, on the very spot where Mario Salvo rallied for free speech in the 1960s. A student encampment of about 40 tents at the campus on Tuesday, up from 12 the night before, spanned the landing and sprawled onto the grass.
>Many of the students here have a sense that something is wrong, but they donāt know all the history,ā said Ussama Makdisi, a UC Berkeley professor of history with a specialty in the Middle East and a chancellorās chair, which is a high rank given to professors who have demonstrated unusual academic merit. āThings have changed. The students are much more serious that something is wrong. And theyāre much more eager to know about the details of the history,ā he said, highlighting the diversity in his class of 91 students and those at the encampment. āThereās an incredible, incredible thirst for knowledge about Palestinian history. And now here we see Muslim and Jewish students, Christian students, Hindu students, itās an incredible array of students.ā
>In a week that saw the intensification of protests over the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza on college campuses across the country, including arrests at New York University, Yale University and Columbia University, the scene in Berkeley was contemplative. So far, there have been no police clearing the area and no arrests. […] āWhat these students are doing is that they are actually taking seriously all of the discourse of the university,ā Makdisi said, referring to UC Berkeleyās brand as a legacy defender of civil rights. āThey are reckoning with a past of slavery and injustice and genocide. And theyāre taking those lessons, they are taking the discourse of the university literally.āhttps://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/uc-berkeley-protest-against-war-in-gaza-peaceful-and-growing/ No.1835570
>>1835566did poltards and their irl and reddit variants ever get this treatment?
No.1835594
>>1835570Only on January 6th
No.1835602
>>1835414"Authoritarianism" is a useful term because it doesn't actually mean anything. It's not like the Western powers don't operate on any kind of authority, the "authoritarianism" accusation is just implying that you're using the wrong kind of authority.
No.1835603
>>1835552>what is going on with the white boysrelative surplus value is a bitch is what
No.1835606
>>1835552>82% of black men and 66% of black women approve of unionization>only 42% of white men and 45% of white women approvekill all white people now
no more pandering to white people
white people are genetically incapable of stopping themselves from licking the boots of capitalists
No.1835608
>>1835552Blacks have been the most likely to be unionized for at least a decade
No.1835609
>>1835606It's probably because the crackers get the PMC jobs. The PMC class is petite-bourgeois
No.1835613
>>1835510>why should I care about some dumb burgershit that happened 7 years ago.Because Alex Jones and culture war lore, man. That's what informs policy, obviously. Haven't you watched the news? Dude, we won! Right? right?
No.1835614
>>1835606To be fair they only disapprove by 30%. SJWs got a good point they over emphasize.
No.1835615
>>1835574>leftism is when you support the progressive side of idpol of the week and nothing elseAll anarkiddies need an icepick lobotomy. I swear to Marx, every single time I see an black flag on this board it's always above some right-deviation drivel conflating liberals and leftists. They are all reactionaries who should go back to toungeing Ayn Rand's dusty cooch over her thinly veiled great-man theory fetish material schlick-bait.
No.1835617
>>1835612Not that this will happen in north america, but I can definitely envision deep sea mining provoking wars in the future
No.1835618
>>1835408Most certainly 100%. None of our politicians can shut up about how their algorithm promotes anti-zionist messaging more. Also a "national security threat" that they're willing to leave alone for a whole year just to watch how the chips fall, doesn't sound like much of a security threat to begin with
No.1835634
>>1835629There's 1 more bomb being dropped in the republican pic so clearly democrats are better.
No.1835667
Is it tue the famous anti -Union atmosphere in South of the Burg auto-plants got BTFO by diversity?
No.1835671
>>1835602It's not that it is the wrong type but that liberal authority hides behind hides behind a few layers of pretend political freedom and pretend economic freedom.
Western citizens get to vote for different parties that have the same fundamental policies. "Authoritarian" governments just skip the fake voting.
Western citizens get to choose between different oligarchs to work for but they all have the same fundamental relations to workers. "Authoritarian" governments will assign their citizens to a job directly.
"Authoritarian" governments just skip the fake choices liberals hide behind.
No.1835677
Of all the people running in 2020, why was Biden chosen by porky to be the Democrat candidate?
No.1835678
>>1835634Subtle point
>>1835671>jobYou're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. That is the plot Stalinists have lost.
No.1835684
>>1835612Ever since the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, United States has claimed the entirety of the Americas so the mainland coast go without saying. I'm interested in how Russia wants to deal with it in the future but probably they'll just give most of it up .
No.1835686
>>1835624Evil asshole
vs
More Annoying Evil asshole
No.1835688
>>1835678>You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. Until we get star trek replicators there will be jobs, Anarkiddie
No.1835690
>>1835630>Trump is loved by the masses>Biden is president and no one gives a shit that he's there or even greets himWhat the hell do the masses believe in anyways? There's a lot of Muslim fundamentalists out there too, I believe. If you found that peace and freedom wasn't polling very well, would you think that our most inspiring leaders must lead on the basis of unfreedom and war? Did Martin Luther King speak for a majority?
Here's another measure of popularity: If we're going by sheer book sales, Obama blows them all out of the park. There's an antitrust trial going on right now involving Penguin Random House and Simon & Schuster and the DOJ had to remove the Obamas from their analysis of book sales because they sell so many it skews the data. And unlike Stephen King, Obama commanded a world-annihilating nuclear arsenal and a sprawling system of internment facilities, which makes his celebrity mass love-ins all the more bizarre.
The same thing applied to Taylor Swift or, say, Angelina Jolie seems relatively harmless in comparison. But when a president demands it, then I'm tuning out. I can maybe thank Obama for that – through the inflation of his ego to grotesque proportions, he converted millions of idealistic young people into disaffected, disappointed, detached cynics: in other words, into actual human beings living in something like the real world.
No.1835692
>>1835686It's not that simple. Mao preferred dealing with the west's reactionary liberals over their more advanced counterparts for a reason
No.1835693
>>1835677Most accommodating asshole. Can take an entire arm while providing full articulation to the arms and head.
>>1835688https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing) makes the work fetishist cry
No.1835699
>>1835693>>1835694Factory automation, 3d printing and other new technologies once fully introduced will heavily reduce job hours but until the entire production process is completely automated there will still be jobs.
No.1835703
whats with the comments here saying Trump is anti Zionist?
Hes not.
Also the right is pro Zionist. At least every Christian rightist is
No.1835704
>>1835549This is true. School teachers and guidance counselors are paid by how much they shill college
No.1835709
>>1835678>You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. Perhaps you should read up on Stalin's time in power rather than spew shit you know nothing about.
>That is the plot Stalinists have lost.Who are these Stalinists? I guarantee you they are not who you think they are. Stalinism was never actually a thing.
No.1835717
>>1835704There's no monetary reward. They push college because having a structured advanced education beyond high-school is good and they also think college will get their students better jobs. Obviously this ignores the huge debt and that the job market is fucked.
No.1835720
>>1835703it's just image board contrarianism. Some midwit trying to hunt for a hot take to make him seem more interesting than he is.
No.1835723
>>1835694Mine's bigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjIoGPZPNjU>>1835709>t.the real movement for changing the names of things No.1835730
>>1835729ever notice he kinda looks like the woman from Onibaba after the girl gets the mask off
No.1835740
>>1835709>Stalinism was never actually a thing.The materialist take is of course that Stalin was actually a medium possessed by the geists of Marx and Lenin, and the World Spirit too.
No.1835751
>>1835741https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/s/t.htm#stalinismIn contemporary parlance, the word āStalinismā has come to embody a range of ideologies, specific political positions, forms of societal organization, and political tendencies. That makes getting at the core definition of āStalinismā difficult, but not impossible.
First and foremost, Stalinism must be understood as the politics of a political stratum. Specifically, Stalinism is the politics of the bureaucracy that hovers over a workers' state. Its first manifestation was in the Soviet Union, where Stalinism arose when sections of the bureaucracy began to express their own interests against those of the working class, which had created the workers' state through revolution to serve its class interests.
From a social point of view, then, Stalinism is the expression of these pressures of imperialism within the workers' state. The politics of Stalinism flow from these pressures.
The political tenets of Stalinism revolve around the theory of socialism in one countryādeveloped by Stalin to counter the Bolshevik theory that the survival of the Russian Revolution depended on proletarian revolutions in Europe. In contradistinction, the Stalinist theory stipulates that a socialist society can be achieved within a single country.
In April 1924, in the first edition of his book Foundations of Leninism, Stalin had explicitly rejected the idea that socialism could be constructed in one country. He wrote: āIs it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. The efforts of one country are enough for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie. This is what the history of our revolution tells us. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, especially a peasant country like ours, are not enough. For this we must have the efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries. Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution.ā
In August 1924, as Stalin was consolidating his power in the Soviet Union, a second edition of the same book was published. The text just quoted had been replaced with, in part, the following: āHaving consolidated its power, and taking the lead of the peasantry, the proletariat of the victorious country can and must build a socialist society.ā And by November 1926, Stalin had completely revised history, stating: āThe party always took as its starting point the idea that the victory of socialism … can be accomplished with the forces of a single country.ā
The ātwo-stage theoryā has also propelled the Stalinists into āpopular frontsā with so-calledāprogressiveāelements of the bourgeois class to āadvanceā the first revolutionary stage. Examples include Stalinist support (through the Communist Party, USA) to President Roosevelt 1930s. And, taking this orientation to its logical conclusion, the Communist Party in the United States consistently supports Democratic Party candidates for office, including the presidency.
No.1835756
>a few strikes occur in my city in the 20s and 30s
>crushed by the bourg, kkk and law enforcement
>a few school walkouts and tiny marches in the 60s-70s
>2020 quickly fizzles even with the deployment of national guard
>palestine protests are even smaller
>biggest university of note is relatively far from downtown and primarily a commuter school
I can't help but feel a bit jealous of other places in burgerstan being a bit more "real" in the sense that suburbanization has dispersed people there less and allows them to organize shit. Here we have to deal with the usual problems of the NGOs, city/county/state governments, bourg propaganda and reactoids in conjunction with the fact that you have to drive to get anywhere here.
No.1835770
>>1835729>Bill BarrInteresting… He was the AG under whose watch a certain JE supposedly committed suicide while detained in a federal facility. And Bill's father, back in the '70s, was instrumental in launching JE's career when he was still a very young man. The Donald, the Barrs father and son, JE… It's all a NYC story, really. And now we are watching this quite pathetic show where BB endorses the Don for president, despite the Don having blatantly insulted him in the past and basically confirming all of it except for the word "lethargic" even after the endorsement. Don't you too have the impression these goons are launching signals to each other about some kind of blackmail going on behind the scenes?
That said, the Don is quite a showman. He belongs to a gulag, but he will be in charge of entertainment for the other inmates there, no doubt!
No.1835799
>>1835751The reproductive interests of a bureaucracy can be brutal, and its demands absolutely boundless.
>>1835709"Marxism" wasn't a thing until after Marx died either, but I'll give the son-in-law and his buddy half credit for trying.
>>1835770_Donald Trump Changes Profession_ x _The Producers_ x _Half-Baked_ when?
No.1835803
>>1835751>He wrote: āIs it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. The efforts of one country are enough for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie. This is what the history of our revolution tells us. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, especially a peasant country like ours, are not enough. For this we must have the efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries. Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution.āSo the ccp IS revisionist.
No.1835809
>>1835799>The reproductive interests of a bureaucracy can be brutal, and its demands absolutely boundless.All bureaucracies are to a certain degree utopian, in the sense that they propose an abstract ideal that real human beings can never live up to.
After all, is this not what we always say of utopians: that they have a naĆÆve faith in the perfectibility of human nature and refuse to deal with humans as they actually are? Which is, are we not also told, what leads them to set impossible standards and then blame the individuals for not living up to them? But in fact all bureaucracies do this, insofar as they set demands they insist are reasonable, and then, on discovering that they are not reasonable (since a significant number of people will always be unable to perform as expected), conclude that the problem is not with the demands themselves but with the individual inadequacy of each particular human being who fails to live up to them.
No.1835823
>>1835751>>1835803>>1835741To be fair, I think Socialism in one country has shown itself to be capable of managing a country for several decades whereas most Socialists canāt even agree on how āinternationalismā practically manifests itself.
In addition, the comments that Stalinism represents some dominance of the Bureaucracy over the workers is bit bizarre given how āpureā Socialism as advocated by people whoād call themselves āanti-Stalinistsā isnāt even in the interests of the workers themselves. Like thatās what makes the critique so silly. Any pretense that the interests of the bureaucrats arenāt aligned with that of the workers is undermined by the fact the workers
arenāt ideological socialists in the same sense as anti Stalin leftists are.
No.1835830
>>1835817Fucking Christ are you serious man fuck cops bro this is insane so now they are going to snipe anyone who gets close.
No.1835833
Real quick, a bunch of SA trots are doing a takeover in my union. Should I vote for them?
No.1835834
>>1835830dog, having snipers at events has been standard for decades now
No.1835836
>>1835831The funny thing is they can and they will
No.1835838
>>1835834Fucking stupid if you ask me, ah yest we going to post snipers to "neutralize" the threat and not have the people hate you more by just offing people during protests. My point still Stands Fuck cops.
No.1835840
>>1835834>dogI'm not your dog, cat.
No.1835864
>>1835817This is why rooftop access is so hard
No.1835865
>>1835834In France they do this too
No.1835866
>>1835729>gutlessI doubt that. His gut is pretty huge
No.1835877
>>1835823> by the fact the workers arenāt ideological socialists in the same sense as anti Stalin leftists are."Workers" as a group are not entitled to a certain ideology, but it would not be hard to assume that most of them are apolitical, and the ones who aren't are easily manipulated by reactionary propaganda to go against their own benefits.
It would not be also hard to assume that the latter is not the norm. As a class, the proletariat would chose for their own benefits, independent of their ideals. For example, any form of sectarism in trade unions or workers organizations in capitalist society, is just silly. The "social democrat" trade union will want better wages, restrictions to unsafe working conditions, more worker rights in general, etc.The same as any other left wing trade union, and even apolitical or right wing trade unions. Their main goal is still the same, but the methods and appearance differ. If the worker is given more "bureaucratic power" or a bigger share in the decision making of the socialist state, even if the voice of the worker is not socialist, as long as it doesn't undermine or pose a threat to the Union, then at least is a concession. And concessions and reforms have an appeal to make the masses more satisfied(Not that the Soviet Union under stalin was a bureaucratic dictatorship that undermine all workers voice, on the contrary). If there is such a thing as a conflict between the interests of the vanguard and the interests of certain group of workers, both parties can be reasonable in their demands and come into an agreement.
>In addition, the comments that Stalinism represents some dominance of the Bureaucracy over the workers is bit bizarre given how āpureā Socialism as advocated by people whoād call themselves āanti-Stalinistsā isnāt even in the interests of the workers themselves.Not too much related to Stalinism, but my biggest problem with them and the Soviet Union itself is that, as it seems, and correct me if i am wrong, there was no major educational effort to teach the workers how to manage the State in the future or to understand the major concepts of socialism and its strands.
From what i understand of Lenin, in the few pieces i read, the Soviet Union would undergo a period of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, guided by the vanguard party, not only to secure their survival and expand the means of production, undergo industrialization and autarky, but to ensure that the state would be in a constant stage of change and reform, where the divisions between "Vanguard" and "Worker" would decrease so much that there would be no need of a vanguard anymore, and the state would "wither away", reaching the "latter stage" of communism.
I am not a historian to really know or understand the history of the laws and methods of voting under the soviet union, so i am probably typing gibberish, but from what i heard in other threads, even the old Russian citizens anons know, most, if not all of them, could not explain what this "communism" was all about. Maybe as a result of Khrushchov more then Stalin or anyone else, but still. Of course , if given the opportunity, the vanguard can and probably should hold the monopoly of power to ensure the survival of the soviet state. That doesn't mean that is "impossible" to hold a "controlled opposition" (China probably the best example of this) to give some concessions and a sense of control and independence.
Post too long, i don't know what i meant by any of that
No.1835885
>>1835751>In April 1924, in the first edition of his book Foundations of Leninism<āIs it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. FINAL. As in the entire world is socialist. Obviously not one country can achieve this by itself.
>And by November 1926, Stalin had completely revised history<the victory of socialism ā¦ can be accomplished with the forces of a single countryHe didn't "revise history" at all. Notice how there is no "final" in front of the phrase "victory of socialism" in his 1926 statement?
In the first statement he is saying not one socialist country can achieve world socialism. In the second he is saying a single country can become socialist. That isn't contradictory.
Trots, why do you keep doing this type of misrepresentation of Stalin? It feels slimy. Trotsky lost almost 100 years ago. Let it go.
No.1835890
>>1835877 (me)
The main task of a "vanguard ML party" after the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat could be, not only destroy the bourgeoisie and pety-bourgeoisie elements of society and ensure the survival of the dictatorship of the working class, but guide and teach the working class how become self reliant, create class consciousness and permit more and more direct participation in the decisions of the state.
Of course, is also possible that the vanguard did not achieve many of those points because there was no way they could accomplish those objectives. It is just concerning to me that any leader or politician that i know from the soviet union imagined or thought they were certainly close to achieving communism, or that the state would "wither away" any time soon. I don't know if the thought of communism being achieved in their lifetimes was mentioned, or that in a certain year the first stages of communism would be established.
I will go and have an even more ""RadLib"" opoinione. Even though the vanguard party system of the Soviet Union worked and will keep working in the future, that doesn't exclude the possibility of the vanguard being less the "center of power" for other future worker states. Of course we should fully support the Soviet Union, and most of the "critiques" made accusing the Soviet State of being a dictatorship of the bureaucratic class are mostly bullshit, that doesn't mean that the "soviet model" is the "best one", or the "only one". Does this smell like revisinionism?
No.1835892
if dubs then joe brandon or doydeld teyetsemer will bring back the draft to fight in israel to maintain the dying burger reich
No.1835893
>>1835885If a single country can achieve socialism, can a single country achieve communism? Not a trotsky, never read him, like i never read anything.
No.1835900
>>1835729I loathe the fact that he's absolutely hilarious
No.1835906
>>1835893>can a single country achieve communism?Theoretically if a country has all the resources necessary to be self sufficient it could, but it would be temporary. Capitalist countries could directly invade or sabotage them and there could be no real response because there is no state in communism. If there is no state then there would be no real military organization or internal defense.
No.1835909
>>1835906> If there is no state then there would be no real military organization or internal defense.Nah, that is were we disagree, although i respect and understand your opinione. To avoid this contradiction, under communism everyone would have military training and modern weapons. If Porkie thinks that the workers of this communist state are weak and vulnerable and disorganized, only another part of the "jungle" of uncivilized nations, then they should have another thing coming their way.
Every soldier is a farmer
Comes the evening, he grabs his hoe
Comes the morning, he swings his rifle on his shoulder
That's the army of Uncle Ho
No.1835910
>>1835472>Steven CheungImagine being AsAm and being a diehard for either party.
Both parties will throw you in a camp.
No.1835922
>>1835909>To avoid this contradiction, under communism everyone would have military training and modern weapons.Giving everyone basic military training is good and I agree that making a socialist military as flat as possible is good in itself. But the complex nature of modern weaponry would still need many specialists. Could you train everyone to be fighter pilots, transport drivers, tank drivers, bombers artillerymen, shock-troops, special forces, sailors submariners, missile operators, etc? How do you coordinate all those forces without a state?
Most importantly, who is in charge of the Nukes?
No.1835923
>>1835909>>1835906 (me)
It would be, of course, too much to try and convince people that the state should not exist. It would be almost impossible to convince the proletariat of such an idea, specially since history shows us the state is not going anywhere any time soon, much on the contrary.
Still, in the eyes of the worker, who doesn't know any better, he may believe in reactionary propaganda and think that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" doesn't have his best interests in mind. To attract those workers, reformism and political manipulation could be necessary to avoid thoughts of any real change, and specially any real reactionary change, to a future worker state. If is basically impossible to change the bases, the material conditions of economic relations, if there is still the need of the state as the monopoly of violence, the holder of bureaucratic decisions, the responsible to colect and distribute the surplus value of the working class to allocate towards anything that is necessary for the survival of the state, then, at least, there can be hopes of the worker to change the superstructure. If there is no way he can decide or controll the bases, his focus can be guided to changing the superstructure (Everything not related to production)
>>1835922>Most importantly, who is in charge of the Nukes?I don't have a clue man
No.1835927
>>1835922I leave the logistics of how the world would be without a state to the scientists, not people like me. Still, experiments and education should be made to make us closer to communism and make the line between "bureaucrats" and "workers" more obsolete in a constant state of evolution, in simpler terms
No.1835930
>>1835922The details for this have to be worked out through practice. We can hypothesize and prepare, but the realities about what logistical measures work best are going to filter what the actual solution is. One thing to consider is that the specialist branches of modern capitalist militaries are built on the foundation of a huge military industrial complex. This is something that socialism, let alone communism, is not that likely to have. It's also worth noting that the problems a socialist military has to solve are often different, since they are not engaging in imperialism or neocolonialism, and the main purpose is resistance against siege warfare by capitalist powers. It's a mistake to begin from the question of "how do we replicate what capitalist militaries do?" rather than "how do we organize to solve the problems relevant to the defense of socialism?"
No.1835932
>>1835930>The details for this have to be worked out through practice. We can hypothesize and prepare, but the realities about what logistical measures work best are going to filter what the actual solution is. > It's a mistake to begin from the question of "how do we replicate what capitalist militaries do?" rather than "how do we organize to solve the problems relevant to the defense of socialism?"Agreed
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>>1835877>"Workers" as a group are not entitled to a certain ideology, but it would not be hard to assume that most of them are apolitical, and the ones who aren't are easily manipulated by reactionary propaganda to go against their own benefits. When you say they can be made to go against their own benefits, who is the "they" you speak of? Because I think this is a really important disconnect in a lot of modern Leftist discourse: workers as actual people versus workers as a symbol, or totem, or an abstract category that aligns perfectly with one's own ideology. Like if you were to present the idea of "Socialism in One Country" by an advocate of it to a worker, and the idea of, iunno, Trotsky's "Permanent Revolution" by a Trotskyist to him, I think the worker would side with Socialism in One Country. Like the Soviet workers were human just like me, I don't think they were going to bed each night thinking "Man! I can't wait to save American workers from Capitalism!"
There was a post I saw on here ages ago, that I reference as an example of naive internationalism all the time. Someone said something like "what if we can bring the revolution to America by having third world militias invade the country?" Which is just fucking absurd to me. Beyond the low chance of them beating America's own military, the population itself would rise against them. It's human to not want a foreigner shooting at your apparent countrymen and reordering your government for you. As cheesy as it is; in any scenario where the Soviets invaded America without plunging the world into nuclear holocaust, they'd face a huge partisan campaign against them from the common people. It's not like they'd turn off all the nationalist propaganda and suddenly American workers will greet them as liberators. You only need to look at what happened to the Soviet Bloc to see how resilient a kind of "national sentiment" can be.
I believe most Soviets likely had a view on politics similar to most Americans. Every now and again my buddies, even my right wing ones, would say they'd love to chat with figures like Putin or Xi just to learn how they see the world. Either that, or some vague "I wish we could be friends with Russia/China" stuff. I don't think the average worker was chomping at the bit to "liberate" foreign countries or stick their nose where they didn't belong. Assist existing resistance movements, sure, but not start a revolution whole cloth.
>Not too much related to Stalinism, but my biggest problem with them and the Soviet Union itself is that, as it seems, and correct me if i am wrong, there was no major educational effort to teach the workers how to manage the State in the future or to understand the major concepts of socialism and its strands. I think that's a perfectly valid criticism of the USSR. I'd also say that part of the robustness of Capitalist Republics was that workers could have at least the illusion of being brought into the political system, if not being brought into it in fact. I discussed this here:
>>1835008Sadly the greentext botspam kind of smothered it. But people shouldn't underestimate the feeling of attachment that can be fostered by Republican forms of government. It's what makes comparing Bolshevik attitudes to the Russian
Empire vis-a-vis the modern American Republic silly. You can say "Down with the King" and even with all the propaganda you've been raised with, you're essentially just targeting a man and turning him into a scapegoat for all your issues. In a Republican government saying "Down with the Nation" gives off the same energy as the League of German Jews huffing "Down with us!"
That aside I'd also say Marxism-Leninism does have an issue with trending towards excessive dogmatism.
No.1835941
Will the TikTok ban mean anything for other countries? I heard it extends to companies like Google and Apple (since they're American), so will they pull it off their app stores internationally or only in the US?
No.1835945
So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests? Really sells the whole we don't live in a democracy and Biden and the dems are full of shit for saying they are protecting this country from fascism.
No.1835952
>>1835940>When you say they can be made to go against their own benefits, who is the "they" you speak of? The people of the nation state of said workers. Workers of a nation can have lots in common between one another then workers of another nation. Of course, the most close the discourse can get to workers reality and understanding of the world the better. So i can't really criticize the "socialist in one country" line of thought. But also, in broader terms, the workers of the world, creators of capital, that have the value of their work taken by the bourgeoisie, holders of the means of production.
In the part of "going against their own benefits", basically material benefits, material power. They can voluntarily give up their power if convinced to do so, if they believe is a small temporarily setback, or if they see this as an investment in the hypothetical future.
>You only need to look at what happened to the Soviet Bloc to see how resilient a kind of "national sentiment" can be.>But people shouldn't underestimate the feeling of attachment that can be fostered by Republican forms of government. It's what makes comparing Bolshevik attitudes to the Russian Empire vis-a-vis the modern American Republic silly. You can say "Down with the King" and even with all the propaganda you've been raised with, you're essentially just targeting a man and turning him into a scapegoat for all your issues. In a Republican government saying "Down with the Nation" gives off the same energy as the League of German Jews huffing "Down with us!"That is an example when nationalism can be problematic, even in socialist society. It can quickly devolve into reactionary thought, an facade to instigate reactionary thoughts and CIA opperations.
I could not say if i would agree with "accelerationists", that the contradictions shall become so big that the hypocrisy of the system will be clearer then day, to the point it becomes undeniable the imperialist character of the US and Europe, and that it is not Russia or China that are the ""enemies"" of the US people. So, if rn the worker is still a firm believer in capitalism and liberalism, if he still believes that he doesn't live in a cop dictatorship, if he still believes that things will change if this or that candidate becomes elected, what we can do is organize, create class consciousness, etc. Unfortunally, there is little more i can think of, if the "base", the material conditions, can't be radically changed, then doing what is being done in the US, going to the Free palestine protests in the universitys, occupy wall streets, might be the most realistical and straightforward method of resistance. The ideals of the present might turn into past, at least that is what i hope. I should read and try to write more, but mom is calling me to sleep, goodby guys
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>>1835552>CPUSAnonā¦.>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boysWanted to devote a separate post to this just 'cause it's an interesting point to discuss. So personally I'd say that, especially among older generations, there was a
heavy propaganda against labor unions directed predominantly towards White people, including White workers. I can only speak to my own experiences but I imagine maybe some other White people have experienced the same.
So often enough I'll get people asking about working at Trader Joe's, and I try to be as upfront as I can (while still trying to keep my job). You know they'll say "Everyone always seems so happy here!" or "They must treat you pretty well!" And, as far as grocery stores go, they do. I usually explain our management is really nice (most of the time), the pay is good (comparatively), and the benefits are really good too (free gym membership, health insurance, matching money that goes towards your retirement, chiropractic and acupuncture, etc). And while most of the time you'll hear folks say "Wow! That sounds great!" Every now and again, usually among older white folks, they'll do the following:
>"And you aren't in a Union, right?"<"Nope.">"That's so good, glad to hear it."Of course the reality is that Trader Joe's treats us well in hopes that we don't form labor unions, so we likely wouldn't get paid as much if there weren't grocery store unions advocating for higher wages and better working conditions in
other grocery stores. Regardless, among older White people, you've got this idea of "Unions as a waste of money."
Now why is that? I think the culture around Unionization has gone through at least three different epochs. In the earliest one, you had Unions as a threat to civilization or the social order (from which we get some fun propaganda like socialists being portrayed as homeless skeletons). Then under FDR you saw the rise of business unionism or maybe something that can be described as more of an American corporatism
>"Hey! Bosses and workers interests are aligned! And sure your boss makes more, but you can get some great benefits, too! And if you want you can work hard and make it to management!" It was this idea of labor and management existing in a symbiotic relationship. If you read any Fascist literature this should sound familiar. No doubt we took extensive notes when we defeated and "rehabilitated" our Fascist enemies.
What we're living in right now is the tail end of the "neoliberal" era of anti-union propaganda. If you've never seen the movie Wall Street (1987) you've likely still heard its iconic line: "Greed is good!"
To get into specifics, the neoliberals with the help of ghouls like the Reagan administration and the business community, went on a propaganda spree blaming the various economic woes the country suffered on labor unions in particular. There was this image that Unions were creating "inefficiency" that was keeping people from doing productive work. I sometimes hear variations of this from folks who've worked on movie sets; "The lights are handled by the industrial lighting union, I'm a boom mic operator, so if I just plug a cord into a socket I could get fined!" You had this image of Unions enabling the laziest, most unproductive employees to sit around all day doing nothing, while the "good" and "hardworking" employees are faced with increasingly demanding workloads they can't manage on their own. Not helping things were some pretty bad corruption scandals; funds would be misappropriated by corrupt union leadership, and you've got this image of the local union boss being some fast talking huckster who wants you to pay your dues just so he can buy himself another sports car.
I know some people will respond to the claim that Unions were enabling "lazy" workers with "who cares?" But I know I'm not alone in saying that when you've got a coworker who seems too lazy to do
anything it can really piss off the rest of the employees. It's not even a race thing. I've worked with quite a few Hispanic women who huffed and yelled at people they felt weren't doing anything. Just the other day one of my coworkers, a black woman, was complaining about another; that she's busting her ass and she doesn't see *that* girl ever work 'till she sweats. In my case we had a coworker ages ago who'd take long breaks on the clock, and if you asked her to do *anything* she'd roll her eyes and do a half-assed job. I was managing the register during a particularly busy day, we were shorthanded, and some clutz broke a bottle of wine. I call for help, and one of our lazy coworkers comes up. I ask her if she can take care of the spill. She strolls off then comes back a few minutes later to drop a couple of sheets of paper towel on this huge puddle of wine. There were still shards of glass people could get cut on, and she went right back to arranging flowers. I call for help again, and she answers again, and I ask her to *please* clean up the glass and the puddle. She goes back in a huff, gets a broom, sweeps up the biggest pieces of glass, and leaves a puddle there.
Look, when I go into work I just want a normal day. I'm not asking people to give 110%, fuck that, but the last thing I want to deal with is the headache of some dumbass slipping over wine onto a bunch of glass, then having to talk to the cops and explain why we didn't have so much as wet floor sign in our store. A shitty coworker makes things worse for everyone involved.
So all this anti-union agitation found fertile ground among White boomers in particular. You're raised with this idea of "thrift" or "hard work" as a virtue. You see someone who's just lazing about but can't be fired because of union protections. All the while you're waiting an hour for the right union guy to come around and do a simple task so you can actually do your job. Finally, some fast-talking dick with slicked-back hair is trying to pressure you into signing a shitty contract and paying $300 in union dues, and you're half-sure he's on cocaine. He sure as fuck isn't advocating for your interests, though.
One example I experienced recently was shopping in Vons, which actually has a Union contract. We're opening up a new Trader Joe's not far from where that Vons is, and a bunch of the employees I know there were talking about how excited they were to finally have a nearby TJs. I off-handedly mention: hey, if you all ever want to work there I mean we'd be happy to poach talent (in my defense I get pestered by employees from other grocery stores begging us to vouch for them so they can get hired.)
One of them, the older one, mentions they have this clause in their Union contract where they lose their retirement benefits if they work for another grocery store. Blew my fucking mind. As far as I know, once you put money into your retirement account at TJs it stays with you, even if you go to a different job. Vons is out here making cashiers sign goddamn non-compete clauses. I don't know anything about their union leadership, but something about that just seems insane.
So as a late Millennial White guy, you get raised hearing some casual anti-union talk. "Oh the Union wouldn't help me when I needed it, but they sure kept Karen the Cashier from ever having to work!" And it almost transcends "normie" politics. I've got a few coworkers and friends who worked at other stores becoming to TJs and a lot of the time I hear Union talk met with "Yeah, the Union never did anything to help me. Really made sure I would cough up my dues, though." One of them mentioned they had a manager that was essentially bullying them, fucking with their hours and the like, and the only thing the Union would tell him were that their hands were tied.
That's the impression that I think a lot of White people have taken away from the Union movement of the past. It wasn't something they felt like they were "a part of" or in any way "representative" of them. They imagined it as a bloated bureaucracy that passively took their money while enabling some shitty behavior. Now most of the jobs that we'd associate with labor unions aren't commonly worked by White people these days (consequences of us hollowing out our industrial capacity) and those that remain appear to have the same problems associated with historical labor unions here: corruption, bureaucratic bloat, business unionism, etcetera.
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>>1835740The core of a lot of online ML discourse when you get down to it
No.1835966
>>1835450>>1835466>>1835446he's innocent, lapd is racist asf, try again
No.1835974
>>1835927The bureaucrat's power comes from secrecy and theater. Their power level goes up with information management, image mangement, and domination of practices; it seems like prudent revolutionary praxis to rend that veil whenever it is within slashing distance, and refuse to construe their special-ness in social relations.
>>1835960Taft-Hartley made unionizing basically pointless in the USA, by design. So, with the material basis of the factory siege slipping away on a container ship, and the social well of labor unionism so tainted, what is the concept of the next program?
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>>1835940>Someone said something like "what if we can bring the revolution to America by having third world militias invade the country?"Ah, the JDPON. I'm sort of content neutral about that… like on the one hand it seems like a surreal dystopian comic book fantasy, and quite possibly an attempt to tell firsties like us that we don't have it so bad, so we can just… wait around and do nothing with our thumbs up our buttholes? While we're being exploited too? Doesn't seem Marxist to me. But if the JDPON forms their army of billions on the Mexican border, if it EVER got that bad, the U.S. empire would be clearly finished anyways so you might as well start feeding the JDPON coordinates on U.S. Army position and then say "thank you" when they throw our collective white labor aristocratic bodies in a mass grave.
Of course, from what I remember about old Shubel Morgan MTW internet memes, a lot of them were made by a Dutch trance DJ, who would make for an interesting supreme commander.
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>>1835945>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?Student protests aren't proletarian protests.
>Really sells the whole we don't live in a democracyAh yes the communist goal of wanting 'REAL democracy'.
No.1835985
is there a site that aggregates American union related news like LabourWatch.com does for Klanada
No.1835986
>>1835985labornotes.org
paydayreport.com
No.1835997
>>1835984Bordiga is that you?
No.1836005
>>1835984students are inherently reactionary and retarded
No.1836022
>>1835976I'll admit Escape from L.A. has a special place in my heart. Cheesy as fuck. I love it.
That aside in regards to us waiting around while the third world revolutionaries do all the heavy lifting, I see some kind of perverse psychology in it. Like trying to prove you're so aligned with third world liberation movements you'll support them invading America and shit, but really they're just dying for
your revolution. Or to fulfill
your desire of cosmic justice. Like I can guarantee even the most anti-American third world revolutionary probably doesn't want to waste time fighting on American soil or risk his life for the cause of literally destroying America.
It's like some weird BDSM relationship. Where, sure, the Sadist is ostensibly the one "on top" in the relationship, but often it's the Masochist, the bottom, who's cynically using the sadist to fulfill their own perverse desires.
No.1836032
Is anyone participating in protests at school? Can you tell me what's going on?
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>>1836038Man every academic paper coming out of a sociology department is titled like āthe liberatory/revolutionary power of queer acrobaticsā or something. I donāt even know what āqueerā means but itās slapped on more shit than āgluten freeā these days.
That aside it just seems more socially acceptable to be a masochist than a sadist. Everyone is all āstep on me mommyā or āI want to be choked by themā but if you say āI want to choke someoneā people think youāre crazy.
No.1836045
>>1836041>Sexualizing theology in perverse ways helps de-clinicalize sex and eroticism. AlthausReid began this work by using a liberationist framework and exposing the poverty ofsexuality in liberation theology. By addressing power as a productive feature of becoming that is central to dominance and submission, there is an epistemological rupture that
must be acknowledged. That rupture is recognizing the submissive as one with inherent
power and the move to submission by the dominant. When the Centre and institutions are
stabilized as sadists, requiring at times non-consensual reception of submission and pain
from bottoms, the masochism that proliferates is an unproductive masochism that results
in further colonization of marginalized bodies.
Important here is the very intentional effort to decolonize erotics by privileging the
role of the power bottom. Queer sex is one such practice that remains taboo and unacknowledged by those who think about sexual theologies. In thinking about decolonial
efforts relative to sex and erotics, we must also think about marginalized bodies and how
the logic of dominance, often expressed by the sadist institution/the Centre, affects these
bodies. When the imperial framework of traditional D/s is decolonized and the s is
encouraged to become S, the D, also always becoming with the S, submits to those pieces
of the S that are most vulnerable to marginalization. Seen most clearly in the mƶbius strip
that topographically is always single-sided and always doubling, the becoming of the
queer D/S engagement, framed by a queerness that supports an eschatological vision,
initiates new contours of justice-making in the positivity of a queer relationality that
becomes part of the queer revolution that is rooted in the potential of becoming.
No.1836046
>>1835817uyghas see this shit and still say that america isn't a dictatorship (of capital).
No.1836049
>>1836041what if you want to choke and be choked?
No.1836051
>>1836049Then you are a switch. Just don't worry about it, it's fine.
No.1836052
>>1836041>I donāt even know what āqueerā means Queer just means LGBT+(alphabet soup) but more elegant, it's also a reclaimed slur.
No.1836064
American cops brutalizing universities in defense of genocide while it prepares for war with China and passes sweeping legislation that explicitly censors mass media for those reasons. In response the democrat posts wojacks of the president eating icecream with sunglases or having laser eyes or whatever.
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>>1836041The title of that one is kind of thick, I agree, but labor theories of value tend to generate make-work, in a competitive society that much worse to bear. So a one or two page idea inflates to 20. That paper comes down to how the power bottom defuses and demystifies power by conditioning themselves to a different relation to the subjection to ordeal. By not faithfully playing the whole role of the submissive, by remaining unbowed, one subverts the power relation at a deeper level of indecency or disrespect, which is good for the worker's soul IMO. Marx didn't want no simps in his proletariat.
Engels seemed to venture that the dissolution of gender dependence structures over long historical time would appear as a loosening of relationship ties, and a shift in gender power back toward women, who have the pussy and will therefore make the rules. The effect is especially evident in the Nordic welfare states and in Soviet Russia as women were freed from dependency on reproductive partnership to meet their life needs, and to a lesser degree in the several societies whose fertility dropped as women achieved access to other economic options (a mixed blessing for all involved tbh).
There is a slightly hidden gender twist in BDSM roles: the niche community of female dominants and male submissives, roughly 5-10% of kinksters, have a relatively anti-sexual ethos compared to male doms, female subs, or any switches. Professional dominants have historically hegemonized the production of that sub-subculture, driving its ethic toward high style, low intimacy, and a sexual ethic compatible with acts that could be more or less legal in commercial contexts. So they shaped male enthusiasts' expectations toward ideals that are unreasonable, unsustainable, and somewhat self-defeating in a long-term relationship context.
Not coincidentally, the new femdom is much more sex-positive and spectacle-skeptical, and a more realistic organizing principle for a long-term relationship than the latex pet fantasies on the clip sites. Its practitioners reject that professional hegemony for a living theory of relationship production. It often emphasizes practices such as anticipatory service and personal intimacy, as opposed to the strict obedience and showy theatrics. Some characteristic kinks in the new femdom include sexual helplessness, ear cleaning, male chastity devices, and utterly degenerate handholding. I know, right? But I've met a couple in the wild who dropped fairly explicit hints about their commitments to this dynamic.
Intuitively, I think this new femdom may entail one moment of a general trend away from professionalism as well as those forces Engels identified, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Real minority opinion, I do think a material power balance in favor of women is evident as their economic dependency crumbles away, and that new femdom might offer worthwhile insights into or even sketches of the future of socialist social relations.
/rant
>it just seems more socially acceptable to be a masochist than a sadistIn general society, sure, because vulnerability makes people more exploitable, and exploitability is after all the name of the capitalist game. Inside the community, a skilled, sane top is dearly sought after, especially a good woman top.
Because the state generally refuses to guarantee practices that do not result in its own reproduction, intent is an important safety consideration in alternative lifestyle relations. Wanting to choke someone can be problematic, because (ideology disregarded) it's actually quite dangerous and can easily end poorly many hours after the session even under the best mitigations. Wanting to enjoy someone's reactions when they are being consensually subjected to some unaccustomed stimuli, however, is seen as somewhat distinguished, and that perspective offers more room for personal and practical accommodation to fit one's skill and taste and still get the reaction you're looking for ā for example, hand over mouth, while still not safe enough to uncritically recommend, might deliver the effects that all parties to an encounter desire.
No.1836111
>>1836051how dare you say that! they want to choke people!
No.1836117
Ah scratch that, some pope already made the reference:
>>1835847 No.1836120
>>1835817RIP laserretard, they would have known how to handle this on a budget
No.1836127
>>1835552Daily reminder that Sakai might be wrong about his analysis, but he was right about white peoples having problems.
No.1836130
>>1835833Yeah. Of course.
No.1836135
>>1835984>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?Doubtful. They'll be back simping for Biden in a couple months after Trump wins the republican nomination
No.1836163
>>1836022You just described Contrarian Anon to a T
No.1836179
>>1835624Was kinda the case in the 90s though in the broader context of Nanna having a medical condition that's not getting treated either way
Now though we're waaaaaaay past the fucking krispy kreme as a consolation though
Now its Nanna's house is get burned down either way for
>muh economyor some shit but the republicans want to rape Nanna before burning her house down.
No.1836181
>>1836135For me the test is simple. Will these student protests, and their supposed influence, endure or repeat once the compradors queue up to sign "normalization accords" with Israel and some bullshit "peace" is reached? When the political will of the USA is to leave the matter of Israel settled and it's no longer election season? Once the MSM closes the faucet of morbidity regarding Palestinians?
I think not. Their power is 100% what the media wants to give them.
No.1836190
>>1836135>>1836181Biden has repeatedly shown he's a raging Zionist and will not stop supporting Israel, same with the rest of the Dems. The chance of them changing their tune come November is low.
No.1836192
>>1836181 (me)
But, simple test,
Where are the protests about Afghanistan
or Sudan?, Ethiopia? The current African hunger? ? This an ongoing disaster that the USA is responsible for and continues aggravating. But no gore on TV so it can go on for as many years as it needs be.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/20/millions-close-to-hunger-after-wfp-cuts-food-aid-to-afghanistanhttps://www.unocha.org/publications/report/afghanistan/afghanistan-humanitarian-update-february-2024>Afghanistan continues to face a complex humanitarian crisis characterized by an array of challenges, ranging from the longterm effects of decades of war to protracted displacement, chronic underdevelopment, poverty and food insecurity to natural disasters and climate change. Despite a reduction in active hostilities, the country remains in dire need of assistance to address the pressing needs of the population.>In 2024, an estimated 23.7 million people, including 5.9 million women and 5.4 million men, require humanitarian aid. To address these needs, humanitarian partners in Afghanistan released the 2024 Humanitarian Needs and Response Plan (HNRP) in December 2023 prioritizing life-saving assistance such as food aid, safe drinking water, healthcare, education and water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) assistance for the 17.3 million most vulnerable individuals. However, despite the scale and severity of needs now present, only US$238 million has been received towards the HNRP's requirements of $3.06 billion to date, representing just 7.8 per cent of overall resourcing. This severe funding gap jeopardizes the implementation of vital humanitarian interventions. No.1836206
>>1836192It took nothing less than a genocide to mobilize liberals. You expect them to also mobilize for a famine? Unlikely.
No.1836209
>>1835945just wait til Trump wins in '24 and starts drafting the students to fight in the upcoming war and help israel fight iran
No.1836292
>>1835552>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boysLabor aristocracy.
No.1836301
>>1836190But will they hold a grudge against Biden large enough for them to change their voting habits this November? I don't consider liberals radicalized if they still willingly participate in these meaningless elections
You just know Project 2025 is gonna be brought up constantly, and to liberals, that means Trump wants to genocide all trans and black ppl
No.1836308
>>1836091try 4chan dot org /lgbt/ for a couple of months/years to understand this gem
No.1836313
>>1835960>some people will respond to the claim that Unions were enabling "lazy" workers with "who cares?"cant stand when i see communists say this shit. it fucking sucks to have to pick up your coworkers slack and ESPECIALLY if youre open about your politics it affirms every stereotype about communists being unserious, selfish children to be like "lol thats the bosses problem XD" when it is clearly the problem of your coworkers picking up after you.
obviously none of that is to say go above and beyond to be a "good worker" etc, just match the pace of everyone else No.1836315
>>1836311Meanwhile, Taliban building asia's largest canal with no help after just years of the yanks leaving.
The Qosh Tepa Canal is a canal being built in northern Afghanistan to divert water from the Amu Darya. The main canal is expected to be 285 km long and the overall initiative seeks to convert 550,000 hectares of desert into farmland. Wikipedia
Construction began: 2022
Length: 285 km (177 miles)
No.1836332
>>1836315waow, things get better when the hostile colonizing force bombing the country leaves?
No.1836336
>>1836313Most of the communists where I live are some of the laziest motherfuckers ever and the majority of them don't work full time.
No.1836339
idk why the left has to tear each other down so much and why the right gases each other up so much either
No.1836348
>>1836339right-wingers are constantly concerned with appearance, they do it to make themselves try to look better by proxy, it's also why they distance themselves from something that makes them look bad by proxy by trying to pin it on others or spin it as a falseflag. leftwingers are more concerned with getting a stable movement going so they put down other left-wingers that they think are hurting their cause.
No.1836350
>>1836339>idk why the left has to tear each other down so muchtwo words: class struggle
No.1836356
>>1836116>Eight of the shooters were charged with depriving the students of their civil rights, but were acquitted in a bench trial.LOL
No.1836359
>>1836116I remember because I tell who says China bad because Tiananmen that USA bad because Kent
No.1836361
another unrelated question, how come you never really see mass right-wing zoomer movements and protests in say universities or anything like that? There is certainly a lot of people on say leddit or 4chan who hates woke video games, but never makes a big protest about it.
No.1836369
>>1836361because they believe in voting with your wallet
No.1836388
>>1836361right-wing zoomers are psychological degenerates who have let social atomization rot their brain, so they talk themselves into thinking that memes and being irritating on the internet is praxis
No.1836395
>>1836361>mass right-wing zoomer movements and protests in say universities or anything like that? That's an interesting question because it seemed like that used to be the case in Europe before the 1960s. Like "student riot" meant more like: students heading out to burn down the Communist Party headquarters. Seemed like a right-wing thing.
The universities are talked about to death in liberal and right-wing discourse. It's a weird situation because the rightists complain all the time about the universities adopting a social justice mission, which the students might reflect and then take literally, but that places the administrations in a bind because the admins' actual goal is to get their parents to pay high fees so they can get a degree and become tax-paying, compatible corporate consultants. Then the admins go to the donors, who are far more conservative, and explain that the social justice stuff makes the university look good and not to worry – but it turns out many students and faculty members actually believe in it. Like, what the students are doing by confronting the university administrators is flipping their own language around on them, like confronting the Tsar with demands while holding up portraits of the Tsar, who then sends out the troops to shoot the protesters.
No.1836450
>>1836127Sakai is just an alias for whoever the fed who wrote Settlers is.
>>1836163Dunno who contrarian anon is, but I just find an irony in Third Worldists ostensibly touting how much they respect/sympathize with third worldist revolutionaries while simultaneously demanding those same revolutionaries put their lives on the line for them and the people they deem "irredeemable"
No.1836461
>>1836450America has no salvation from outside, specially from third world countries. If you are a real believer in third worldism, you should leave the burger reich before its too late. The American working class will liberate themselves, but while they dont do the revolution, there is more and more reasons to just leave to not pay infinite debt repayment for university and medical Care, repayment that goes to funding Israel and Ukraine.
No.1836469
>>1836361>how come you never really see mass right-wing zoomer movements and protests in say universities or anything like that? Capitalism and Christianity is enforced and protected by the state already. Any "white" identity protest would get them ostracized. Most other cultural issues are too diffuse.
>hates woke video games, but never makes a big protest about it.They can't publicly demand less black people in videogames so the main thing left is demanding more sexy women. And that would look ridiculous on it's face.
Plus everyone has their own standards on what counts as sexy or what is appropriate in videogames so they wouldn't be able to agree on anything anyway. Just look at any woman centered bait thread on /v/, it's pretty funny.
No.1836496
>>1836461I mean thatās the other thing, if youāre an honest third worldists touting how much of a ātrue revolutionaryā compared to everyone else, I donāt see why you arenāt going overseas. Join the Naxalists. Or the Philippino Maoists, or some other third world revolutionary group.
Donāt say itās a matter of means, because itās entirely possible in the modern day to learn Hindi or Tagalog or any other major language. You can sell your possessions and buy a plane ticket and fight the revolution overseas.
Oh but let me guessāāitās the job of communists in the imperial core to oppose it from the inside!ā Well you guys arenāt even doing that. Thereās arms factories you could be blowing up if you actually believed in that shit, itād take even less work than learning a new language, hypothetically speaking.
And itās especially funny to me because in my studying Fascism Iāve learned that Casapound has sent militants to train with Azov and Hezbollah. So at this point literal Fascists have better international credentials than third worldists in the west. Shit, do international Maoist groups even bother trying to recruit or build ties with western third worldists? Beyond just sending them a letter now and again? Because I think the awful truth that a lot of western Third Worldists donāt want to admit is that if youāre so useless in your own country, youāre not going to find some āuseā overseas. You arenāt Walter White proving some White Highschool chemistry teacher can make better meth than guys whoāve been doing it for decades. Third Worldists are bringing nothing to the tableānot even āopposing the empire from the insideā in some meaningful sense. Theyāre just the embodiment of Homer Simpsonās campaign slogan:
>āCant somebody else do it?!ā No.1836498
>>1836461>just leave the countryyep its that easy bro
No.1836501
>>1836450That weird haz-brained schizoposter who drops into this thread with belligerent contrarian takes so hot you can smell the "PLEASE FUCK ME FOR BEING THE EDGIEST BOY" energy wafting off them with the same identifiable illiterate-bad faith posting style
Probably the author of such hits as
>you don't like either candidate you're actually a Biden apologist and Trump is secretly based because [insert decontextualized stats here]>Putin is a Marxist-Leninist >Millennials are all bourgeois and zoomers are all proletarian because I don't understand the difference between wealth and capital>structural critique is bullshit, conspiracy tinfoil takes are true knowledgeetc
No.1836503
>>1836498Living in the US today, while being a believer that only the third world has hopes of achieving socialism, is basically living in 1939 germany, while being a believer in the soviet union.
The "left" is in danger. The US is not safe. Leave before is too late.
T. Not an American
No.1836504
>>1836503costs more than I make in a month, so I guess I'm fucked
No.1836510
>>1836503youd have to be fairly well off to not only leave a country (any country) but also keep the same living standards you have in your original country
No.1836514
Not to be a doomer or anything, but does anyone else feel powerless, especially since you live in a fairly reactionary area? It's like nobody cares except the people actively making things worse.
No.1836515
>>1836091Your kink is OK
>>1836503$2450 manumission fee
No.1836519
>>1836514I live in a fairly blue mid-size city (albeit a starkly class and income-divided one, I see ritzy new apartments barely three blocks from fucking slums) but nationally shit is looking bleak
No.1836522
>>1836498I mean it genuinely is if youāre determined to āfight the revolution in the third worldā as TWists like to pretend they are. Get a passport, learn a language, buy a plane ticket, then go to where the Naxalists and Maoists are and say you want to join up. Promise to fight and, if necessary, die for them.
Itās only hard if youāre trying to move so you can keep doing what youāre currently doing: posting on the internet. Maybe living in a comfy apartment. Going to work each day. Living the decadent first world life that you decry.
I was listening to a podcast with Prof. Mearsheimer on it. And he had this aside where he said that he believes Nationalism is the most powerful ideology on earth currently. He says that during the Cold War, Communism
used to be powerful, but its ideological power declined with the fall of the USSR. And all evidence seems to suggest heās right. Israel and Gaza go to war and suddenly youāve got a bunch of right wing Jews going overseas to join the IDF. The fucking New Zealand mosque shooter went to Ukraine to train with Azov. If TWists want to define themselves by how international they are, then the fact they keep proving themselves less capable of internationalism than literal Fascists should completely discredit their beliefs.
No.1836531
>>1836522Sometimes I sincerely think that, in reaction to all this, as we hurtle further and further towards the cyberpunk dystopia that every techbro missed the point of, the counter-culture of the future will reject identity. Not identity politics, *identity.* They'll resent being told to hinge their entire sense of being on a particular civic, gendered or ethnic attribute of themselves, and the cry of the youth in the future will be an angry, violent "Don't you EVER fucking tell me what I am, fucker!"
would be kind of based if that happened ngl No.1836554
>>1836522I saw more in /leftypol/ more mexican nazis going to fight for Ukraine then international brigades fighting for Palestine or Russia
No.1836557
>>1836531It appears they are already doing so, to a certain extent, especially where there are risks to being associated with a movement or scene. To reject identity would imply the end of politics qua method of establishing answers to questions of general classification. That might take history itself with it.
that would be based enough to merit a side quest No.1836564
>>1836519I guess my question is what the hell do I do? There's like one, maybe a few progressive organizations and the DSA, but they don't seem incredibly active.
No.1836565
>>1836564(shrug) your guess is as good as mine
No.1836574
> Aaron Sorkin is writing a movie about January 6. Described as a quasi-sequel to āThe Social Networkā that follows the rise of misinformation-for-profit online that may have led to January 6.
praying for a trump victory purely so this film will be banned as "anti-american propaganda" by his regime
No.1836578
>>1836522This has that "If u don't like america, then move to China u filthy rat" energy
No.1836606
>>1833859trying to dress up pro child labor and anti healthcare views in marxist jargon is p funny bit ngl
No.1836610
>>1836606I can tell you've never read Marx.
No.1836611
>>1833919>international Jewrygo back
No.1836612
>>1836610I can tell your annoying dickhead who will never understand Marx kys
No.1836620
>>1835006I have already seen these ppl claim palestine was just idpol lmao
No.1836621
>>1836590Although I guess they could be used to kill protestors, I read that snipers in big gathering is SOP in the US, not to repress people but to stop gunmen trying to do mass shootings, so maybe it's not that unreasonable.
No.1836629
>>1836531>>1836557You are either a worker slave or a capitalist master. All culture and identity shit is cope.
No.1836632
>>1836629The cope has a material existence thoughever
No.1836638
>>1836612Don't get mad, but Marx was child-labor pilled.
<A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society. No.1836639
>>1836633I wish these people feared for their lives.
No.1836644
>>1836640Why? You have to keep in mind that Marx was talking about actual children working in factories, not adolescents working in retirement homes.
No.1836645
>>1836644Large scale industry exists and general child labor is prohibited in all the developed countries so yeah he was wrong in saying it would be impossible, although you could argue that the global supply chain relies on children working the mines to feed that industry.
No.1836647
>>1836578See the difference is your average communist wants a revolution to occur in their country and is ostensibly working towards that. A Third Worldist by contrast has completely surrendered the notion that a revolution or any kind of progressive agenda is remotely possible in the āimperial coreā and they claim the only thing Communists can do is either ābreak the machine from the insideā here or imply they should āsupportā revolutions abroad. But they never fucking do.
I can accept someone saying āIām not for revolution here because Iām afraid Iāll die or get maimed.ā Thatās natural. But TWists take this holier than thou approach and undermine morale of local communists by constantly whining itās all pointless. Itās the communist equivalent to a religious fundamentalist that never steps foot inside a church, though every now and again theyāll do something to āproveā their faith that ends in a lot of people dying. Third Worldists do nothing and if they actually believe their own claptrap, the only way to stop being a hypocrite is to either shit or get off the pot.
>>1836554This goes back to a point Iāve made that āinternationalismā as it manifests online at least (and often in person too) is an entirely incoherent belief system that no one knows how to do ācorrectly.ā Itās like how every Protestant talks about how the Bible alone is the source of all Christian teachings but each sect comes to radically different conclusions.
I think nationalists of a type are capable of āriding the waveā of political nihilism while internationalists break their brains trying to find some universal āruleā or virtue that just doesnāt exist. The Israeli prime minister that said if he was an Arab heād join Hamas or the PLO is more consistent and coherent than Marxists calling for Palestinians and Israelis to āreject their respective bourgeoisieā
No.1836651
>>1836633Getting flashbacks to 2016 with people chanting "I believe that she will win."
No.1836655
>>1836632You could argue certain pats of culture are universal but the specific pieces are interchangeable. You need language to communicate, what specific one you were taught was determined by upbringing. Clothes can show social status but the specific cut or color is fundamentally arbitrary to what culture you were brainwashed into. People like ceremonies for important life events but what specific ritual steps are taken in those those ceremonies don't matter and can be replaced with any other. Even what counts as a life even doesn't matter, people like being with each other and making up reasons to do it.
No.1836660
>>1836496I remember hearing this third worldist group in Denmark or something mentioned in a podcast. They would go and rob banks and then send the money to third world revolutionary groups. They got away with it for a while because they managed to disguise their actions as being the work of organized crime. Wish I could remember the name of the group, but they're the only one that I can think of that took third worldism to it's logical conclusion.
No.1836662
>>1836660tbh sounds like they could have taken it farther with a little creativity. if you're already imitating organized crime, why not go ahead and do false flags against various gangs pretending to be other gangs to start destabilizing gang wars in the imperial core? not that they should actually do that, but that would be taking turd worldism a lot farther than just like doing charity.
No.1836666
>>1836612>>1836645That poster thinks this is a gotcha but Marx wasn't heartless. Here's some relevant background:
>>1833939>Note "strict regulation of the working time according to different age groups." He laid that out more in some other pieces. His ideas seemed to have a lot in common with German-style apprenticeships, combining work and school.
<Another consequence of the use of machinery was to force women and children into the factory. The woman has thus become an active agent in our social production. Formerly female and childrenās labour was carried on within the family circle. I do not say that it is wrong that women and children should participate in our social production. I think every child above the age of nine ought to be employed at productive labour a portion of its time, but the way in which they are made to work under existing circumstances is abominable.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1868/machinery-speech.htm No.1836675
>>1836647>I can accept someone saying āIām not for revolution here because Iām afraid Iāll die or get maimed.ā Thatās natural. But TWists take this holier than thou approach and undermine morale of local communists by constantly whining itās all pointless.Spot on, that was always my gripe with third-worldists.
When there is some kind of movement that is indirectly but by default against imperialism coming from your country, and you see TWs here or on Xitter whining about petit-bourgeois PMCs or whatever, it just disgusts you of the left, especially the self-righteous left with radical opinions.
Those people will use plenty of oxygen to say "why do you complain X isn't pure enough?" then completely abandon any idea of a working class union as soon as it doesn't happen within their unrealistic parameters.
There are fucking snipers on the roofs, I think it's a proof that the powers that be really don't like this movement, and don't like implications of it, yet it will never be enough for TWs. "Might as well bitch on the internet and do nothing" is their message in fine, and they don't offer any good critique of the movement at that.
No.1836677
>>1836666I think child labor can be reintroduced in America in a socialist way. Like Marx says, 9 is a good age to start. Or, whenever they can read and do basic math.
These children can supplement their family incomes. Single parent households would suddenly have double the income
No.1836678
>>1836647>This goes back to a point Iāve made that āinternationalismā as it manifests online at least (and often in person too) is an entirely incoherent belief system that no one knows how to do ācorrectly.āInternationalism has never really existed beyond a set of overall shared goals and principles. In the 1930s the Comintern attempt to enforce some of the more specific elements of Stalinist doctrine on communist parties abroad was a major mistake for this reason.
No.1836679
>>1836677Yes, 9 years old is a good age to start producing commodities, and $200 a month is also a good starting wage.
No.1836682
>>1836679This would be solved with socialist laws.
1. Minimum wage by occupation
2. Equal pay for adults and children
No.1836686
>>1836682<1. Minimum wage by occupationThere is already a minimum wage in the USA lol.
<2. Equal pay for adults and children>pay the child $200 a month>pay the mother $1000 a month>bring progressive wage equality, now both the child and the mom are paid $600>$600 is now an acceptable rate for single mom labour power>the rent for a 10mĀ² room is now $3200 in downtown Cleveland>watch "households can earn double their income with our KiddyWork platform!" ads everyday on your way to work>inflation makes everything go smoother for everyone involved>?????>PROFIT!!!! (this is socialism btw you fucking ultra) No.1836690
>>1836686Child labor is an essential foundation of socialism. Children don't need an adult's wages, but they can still be as useful in some occupations as adults. This fact alone makes their utilization necessary
No.1836691
>>1836660See Iād have nothing but respect for those typesābecause theyāre doing shit other than posting. They were logically following their own belief system as best as they could. They arenāt just posting that they accepted some harsh and bitter truths all the fucking time. Itās like when I mentioned that during the BLM riots the CPUSA was trying to highlight incidents of police brutality and March peacefully with the protesters. Some dude responded that proved we were libs because we werenāt shooting cops or agitating violent revolution. And itās like: so is your group doing that? You and some friends? Everyone wants to fight the civil war, no one wants to be the John Brown because it necessitates dying in a revolutionary struggle. If they could Iām sure theyād want to be a John Brown that escapes, but they know that the guy who shoots first is going to die.
>>1836666See this brings up an early struggle within Socialism which is often forgotten by a lot of modern Marxists, which was that a lot of early Socialists were mortified by the growth of the Proletarian class. This wasnāt just vulgar classism, though Iām sure there was some of that too, rather they saw all these people being herded into huge factories, doing backbreaking labor, being ground up and spit out by Capitalism, and they rightly thought āThis is horrible! How do we stop this?!ā
Funny enough Thomas Jefferson kind of held similar sentiments to those early socialists. His whole ārepublic of Yeoman farmersā thing was because he said, out and out, that if youāre reliant on another man just to survive (such as being a wage slave) you canāt ever hope to be a full participant in a democratic society because youāre reliant on someone else for your daily survival. One of Marxās achievements was centering the proletariat as the revolutionary subject of history. Suddenly this thing that all these socialists are trying to avoid is necessary for Socialism to be made possible.
No.1836698
>>1836678Theres an analogy I came up with for Internationalism vs Nationalism. You dump two people in the woods and give them each a map and a compass. One has a highly detailed map of the entire world. The other has a highly detailed map of the entire country. Who gets out of the woods quicker?
Iāve been called everything from a Tankie to a Fascist because Iāve publicly said Ukraine should negotiate for peace even at the cost of ceding territory to Russia, often by people who are otherwise good socialists. I bring up Iraq and Afghanistan as examples of why I donāt think we should arm Ukraine, they bring them up as examples of why we
should. Nationalists are far more simple. It goes back to what I said about the Israeli Prime Minister. If he was Arab heād be fighting Israel tooth and nail, but he isnāt so heās persecuting the Arabs. Itās remarkably simple. Pure relativism: āmy group good, other groups bad unless they help my group.ā They ride the waves of Nihilism like I said. While the Left is still struggling for some universal principle to start from.
No.1836705
>>1836690>Child labor is an essential foundation of socialism.Why? We already have plenty of unemployed adult laborers, what do you want more?
>Children don't need an adult's wagesOk Porky.
>but they can still be as useful in some occupations as adults. This fact alone makes their utilization necessaryYou mean having an education? A functional nation state already does that for free, no need to include children into the production process.
No.1836710
>>1836677https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/human-capital
>Human capital represents two-thirds of wealth for the average individualāand work experience contributes almost half of that value.>The most important resource in any economy or organization is its human capitalāthat is, the collective knowledge, attributes, skills, experience, and health of the workforce. While human capital development starts in early childhood and continues through formal education, the McKinsey Global Institute and McKinseyās People & Organizational Performance Practice have focused new research on the next stage, which spans the full working life.>Human capital is much more than a macroeconomic abstraction. Each person has a unique, living, breathing set of capabilities. Those capabilities belong to the individual, who decides where to put them to work. The degree of choice is not limitless, of course. People are the products of geography, family, and education; their starting points matter. Having career options also depends on an individualās abilities and attributes, their networks, their family obligations, the health of the broader labor market, and societal factors.Creating "human capital" is the most important thing for an economy. Making sure people receive proper education and safety ensures growth in the long term, much more efficient then informal and unprofessional labor that can or will be automated. There is no work a child can make that remotely compensates the loss of human capital to an economy, socialist or not.
Some interesting graphs in this article.
https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/human-capital-at-work-the-value-of-experience No.1836723
>>1836005as are most proles.
>>1835984most proletarian protests arent inherently effective
No.1836725
>>1836705>education is the only value a child can offer to the world.And people wonder why students are "bourgeoise"
No.1836728
>>1836690I beg to doffer. children deserve "adult" wages if tgeyre doing the same kind of work.
Unless you believe that women shouldnt esrn as much as men or blacks shouldnt earn as much as whites.
No.1836742
>>1836741yeah instead they should launch an armed uprising from the campus forecourse. idiot.
No.1836744
>>1836742>yeah instead they should (stupid hyperbole)It's allegedly a protest, faggot. They could boot her ass. It wouldn't be a first.
No.1836746
>>1836690Shut the fuck up, contrarian anon.
No.1836747
>>1836744Obviously AOC pretty much sucks but how does letting AOC in not help signal boost and legitimise their protest?
No.1836749
>>1836638So? He was wrong about that. Issue solved.
No.1836758
I cant believe it but it feels like we are heading towards the funny timeline.
>russia wins or russia gains a massive push into ukraine
>this happens right near the 2024 election
I didnt think it would converge like this but lmao
No.1836764
>>1836759Its referring to how ukraine seems to be currently breaking down while russia is slowly pushing.
Out of all the years this could have happened, its happening right around a election year for biden. And thus making biden look bad if russia does beat ukraine this year. During a election period.
Its mainly me joking around.
No.1836831
>>1836749Karl marx was 100 percent right. Child labor becomes a good thing under socialism. It is no longer despicable and outlawed, but perfected and desired.
>>1836728Equal obligation to work applies to everyone under socialist mode of production, even the children.
The problem that arises from equal pay between children and adults is that the adults who work alongside children as equals will be forced to subsist on an income that supports a child. This could be solved in many ways, like obligated intensive technical education.
In socialism, it should not be the job of the parents alone to support their children. It should be a social effort. Until the child can work, supplemental income will provide. This should be cut off when the child is able to work, with great incentives given if earlier than nine.
>>1836705In socialism, there is no unemployment. This alone implies that the children must work. Introducing children to the productive processes accelerates the development. The forces of production would develop much faster with a decreased child labor participation age, and this would also afford us to have a reduced retirement age.
No.1836848
>>1836831I am going to kill you
No.1836854
>>1836831anons political programme:
>as soon as babies can crawl they are placed on treadmills to produce electricity, and as soon as they can walk theyre sent to the factory to mass produce No Fun Allowed signs >everyone wears the same jumpsuits, the color and pattern of which will be determined by groundbreaking studies on what is most unappealing to the human eye>flowers will be banned for being obscene>all elderly people will be employed at industrial scale funeral homes to maximize efficiency No.1836864
>>1836857oh you misunderstand, im not saying foreign policy will change if the orange man is president.
Im just pointing out, how funny it is, that ukraine may lose right during election year aka fucking over biden badly in the right moment. More funny if it happens just before the election.
No.1836879
>>1836854The retirement age would be lower if we had child labor. When I see 65 year old boomers working in Walmart I cringe so hard. Children should take their place. The children could do their jobs better
No.1836882
>>1836022the core needs to change or nothing will change
the periphery needs independence from the core or the core won't change
No.1836904
Amazing Jacobin piece about the VW Unionization efforts in Chattanooga
https://jacobin.com/2024/04/chattanooga-vw-uaw-unionization
>I was watching a YouTuber who I didnāt quite realize is super right wing, and theyād rail against feminism. So I talked to a feminist who worked in the crew, and it was awesome; they helped explain a lot of things to me. Donāt ever let people tell you that those people are not inclusive, because they absolutely are. Personally, I call myself a socialist now.
>That job also made me realize that people need more say at the workplace, and that this idea that we should just do what weāre told and that unskilled labor is something that you shouldnāt make much money doing. Iād think: I work harder than a lot of the businessmen who own this place. They make all the money, and they make all the decisions, and all the decisions suck, because my job gets harder and more painful when they make a decision. Every day is filled with more frustration whenever a corporate guy comes in. The amount of misery that goes into a busy day and yet I donāt make a penny more when I make you guys more money. How does that make sense? Thatās when I first started having the wheels turn and realizing that this is a raw deal
>For five years, I worked on the line. The main portion of my first job was to torque seat-belt bolts. Thatās where I hurt my back. In the last hour of overtime ā it was the last car ā I felt a pop in my waist. Iāve never felt the same since.
>Itās pathetic to say that Iām one of the lucky ones, but I am, because other people have had to have surgery. And then they rotated me to a different job putting in headliners, and I was still in pain every single day. Iād be limping out of there. Now Iām a trainer, working day shifts from 6 a.m. to 2:30 p.m No.1836973
>>1836831Yeah keep jerking off
No.1836975
>>1836831>productive forces canāt grow without child labor<child labor gets banned <they grow anywayOops
No.1836978
>>1836879>child labor anon is still at itYouāre not convincing anyone of your repugnant ideas. Shut up.
No.1836980
>>1836978Technically speaking he's not wrong on that point.
No.1836985
>>1836980He would be right if the history of capitalism actually showed that child labor was actually necessary- the reality is that the means of production have continued developing without it
No.1837008
>>1836831Oh boy, another
>Socialism is fascismPoster
No.1837009
>>1836879Why do mods ban people for shitting on MLs but not faggots like you for promoting a pro-capitalist and fascistic program with a shit-colored vaguely red-gloss?
I guess, āGenocide X ethnicity, work proles to death in the peopleās factory at gunpointā is permissible so long as you jerk off to fucking stalin while you say it
Mod clique acts like all the ML-Trotskyist cults in this country
No.1837012
>>1837009But what never occurred to you is getting a life.
Curious
No.1837015
>>1837012>Getting a lifet. Faggot that lives on a fringe board shilling child labor exploitation to losers
No.1837017
>>1837015You have serious problems mate. I know it. And right now, you are in my space.
I am not what you are reacting to. I tell you one more time, read, sort your own issues out.
No.1837021
>>1837017Can I ask why you faggots always respond to the people that criticize the board and not the people that openly promote child exploitation?
No.1837022
>>1837021No, first of all.
Second, it goes into the issue of, you do not understand your own position here. How many times do you think I've seen people like you? That act exactly the same way?
No.1837024
>>1837022Lmao
Fuck off
And die
No.1837025
>>1837024Consider it a warning
No.1837028
>>1837021> the people that openly promote child exploitation?like?
No.1837034
>>1837013>charging multiple people prison fees for a single bed that they may or may not be usingso this is how they plan to maximize profits with overcrowded prisons
No.1837042
>>1837021This.
People will jerk off to the most vile positions possible because they want their dick sucked for being edgy, but the second you criticize them, suddenly, then youāre the problem!
Unreal. Ban all incels and move /ISG/ to siberia
No.1837043
>>1837022The āpositionā is that people act like dumb cunts who drag the board down with them and the mods do jack shit
No.1837044
>>1837028Have you not been reading the thread?
No.1837048
>>1837043A fine enough position. Now the question is how to, as it were, communicate this position. It feels to me that a lot of the people on that position are the authors of their own demise.
No.1837049
>>1837008Iām fairly certain theyāre /ISG/cels who canāt think critically for themselves
The giveaway is that they CITE Marx, but they never ENGAGE Marx
No.1837052
>>1837048I said it clearly enough the first time
>their demiseStop talking like an anime villain over complaints regarding an imageboard ya pretentious cunt
No.1837055
>>1837052Everyone's a critic.
No.1837084
>>1836747Because it's not a protest once officialdom has arrived to represent it.
>>1836831>romanticizing laborTell me you're a middle-class cunt who has no intention of ever picking up a tool without telling me. You useless fucks need to be enslaved
No.1837087
>>1837012Western "life" needs to be burned, not reproduced.
No.1837091
Why give your best or even take effort in your job, there is no motivation to actually be interested in servicing the capitalist corporation. I can't blame ""lazy"" people, as long as they do the minimum and don't get fired, then its fine. Better spend life reading theory, or trying to help others, have fun, and chose what to do with life yourself.
No.1837098
>>1837092NH libertarians proving that the lolbert to fascist pipeline is real
No.1837104
>>1837098The greatest thing about this decade so far is the implosion of the lolbert movement into regular fascism (like the Nu Atheists basically becoming Christfags out of western chauvinism)
No.1837105
>>1837092That is a godanm ratio TBH
No.1837116
>>1837104I know. I can't wait for the NH party to start crying about how young people aren't supporting libertarianism.
No.1837121
>>1837120Domestication. Weakness and non confrontational behavior as virtues.
No.1837129
>>1837127
lol faggot massa don't even know your name
No.1837135
>>1837120It is stable in its dysfunctionality, actually. And it's not just an American problem. The thing is that things falling apart bring profit in someone's pockets.
>>1837121>non confrontational behavior as virtueHow do you explain Karens, tho?
No.1837139
>>1837120Also, if I didn't have photosensitive epilepsy watching that image, I'll really never have it!
No.1837177
>>1837168Why? They're evil
No.1837179
>>1837177proles are pussys ngl, mate
No.1837185
>>1837137
>>1837138
Keep working hard and being a good boy maybe massa let you shine his shoes in cracker heaven
No.1837203
>>1837120Well itās a few factors that Iāve discussed in part elsewhere but to reiterate:
>Idealistic PropagandaThis is something that doesnāt get discussed much, but the cleverest trick America pulled during the Cold War was reframing the ideological conflict from āCapitalism vs Communismā to āFreedom vs Communismā. Sure it made capitalism synonymous with āfreedomā implicitly, but the American framing of things was never two economic systems competing with each other.
Today we canāt point to anything good about the present state of affairs other than āfreedomā in some nebulous sense. And it goes to show how much idealism
does impact politics. A guy could be poor and with no hope for the future, he could be certain heāll never retire, but you present Socialism to him and heās as likely to panic because he think itād mean a loss of some vague āfreedomā! As though his life could feasibly get any worse.
Iāve been to some extremely poor parts of the country. Iām talking places where it looks like they still have Hoovervilles. They trend conservative, generally. Went to some family ārestaurantā ofā¦ extremely dubious health standards. And in between pictures of characters from Madagascar were pages upon pages of scripture stapled to the walls. Weāre talking more scripture than a Grey Knight has purity seals. Leaves of it, just fluttering in the wind. When things are bad youāre just as likely to cling onto what you have. Youāre going on the defense because the offense seems impossible. Your guns, Bible, flag.
>System Buy InI mentioned this a lot recently. But the difference in Republican forms of government that makes it robust is you are, theoretically at least, partially in charge of the system. Youāve got a say in it through your vote. The government in theory doesnāt extend just to elected officials but the electors themselvesāthe voting public. This can also mean that the flaws of the country can be blamed on your neighbors: those goddamn libtards/MAGA psychos. The benefit of authoritarian forms of government is thereās broadly one guy you can use as a scapegoat. Russkies had the Tsar. When a singular figure becomes the representative of the state, you can scapegoat him easily as a revolutionary. Get the public to unite behind it all being that guyās fault.
As it stands most modern socialists spend too much time critiquing the American Nation (ie the common people of the country) and not enough critiquing the government as a distinct entity. Itās especially funny because an old saying in American politics used to be āPeople hate congress but love their congressman.ā But a baffling trend political scientists have noticed is now that isnāt even true: people hate congress AND their congressman.
Thereās no positive reason to vote for any of these assholes now. Itās almost always āwell I canāt let the other side win.ā My libertarian buddy was asking me if Iāve seen
any Biden-Harris yard signs or shit around LA, and I had to confess Iāve only seen maybe one or two bumper stickers in years. To him itās evidence that Biden cheated in 2020 (not that he supports Trump, either) but to me I think it shows that Democrats just arenāt voting positively anymore. None of them
want Biden in office. They just want to keep Trump out. And youād be surprised how far a politician can get on having no positive program beyond just āIām not the other guy.ā
I personally think thereās a possibility for a populist upsurge if you can rally people around a message of firing ALL the current crops of politicians and abolishing the big two political parties. Turn the Dems and Reps
both into symbols of American dysfunction and run on a platform of ending them. Itād be especially potent because youād be confronting them with their own uselessness. And as they cling desperately on to power and try to undermine populist competitors, itāll reiterate to people that theyāre just on their own side. They arenāt āservingā anyone but themselves.
No.1837213
>>1837120compared to other places like europe its easier to make money here so there is a lost more interest in keeping the momentum going
No.1837229
>>1837223
>ooooh massa gon git you fer not bein a good boy
No.1837239
>>1837217Fellas, is it gay to be straight?
No.1837252
>>1837239Why are you "straight?" Because you go straight for other guys' cocks?
No.1837255
>>1837252I go for gay guys' cocks.
Because I am gay.
This means because it is gay to be straight, it must be straight to be gay-
Therefore, I am straight. I beat the system fellas. My rights are protected now.
No.1837261
>oh, you wanna procreate? why, just to make more men?
No.1837267
>>1837223
Bro, most people don't like being chained to the capitalist system and getting paid pennies on the dollar especially when those pennies are worth way less than they were 5 years ago.
"Slacking off" is workers adjusting their labor output because they are being ripped off. This is just like the classic complaint of slaves "being lazy." Why wouldn't they be?
No.1837289
>>1837217The funniest thing about this nonsense, beyond the fact that Tate is admitting he's gay (does the dude even have kids?) is how Conservatives went from "WE'RE THE NEW PUNK ROCK" to straight up Victorian Hysterics. Or rather they were always like that, but it's showing more now. Y'know originally it was all
>"Aren't we sick of these fucking feminists trying to ruin our fun?"Like that was the premise. That you can't have shit like a strip club in a video game anymore because Feminists would whine. That media would have random side stories unrelated to the plot that are all like "this gay person is valid!" Like I remember playing Dragon Age Inquisition and kind of rolling my eyes at how they tried to shoehorn a trans character into the setting by claiming the psychotically totalitarian Qunari are cool with them. Like, it's an understandable annoyance even if it's childish.
But give it a year and these fuckers are back to
>"I'm not going to play the next GTA because you're killing our pretty and handsome police officers!">"Sex is ONLY for procreation! If you enjoy sex, you're gay!">"I don't even enjoy eating food anymore, it's just nutrition. I hate it."Like they're giving the game up pretty quickly. It makes their whining about being free or edgy so fucking stupid.
No.1837297
Will I be stuck in my crappy job for the rest of my life?
No.1837298
>>1837297If you don't do anything to prevent it.
No.1837304
>>1837301Is tate not white
and why isn't he in romanian prison
No.1837306
>>1837301Is there an ai of that racist guy from Disco Elysium that can read this out
No.1837307
>>1837304he is not white. his father was African American. I think he probably had some sort of identity crisis and breakdown.
No.1837317
>>1837298So what, form a union?
I'd get a new job but I feel like this is currently the best job I could find.
No.1837321
>>1837301I think Andrew Tate has done more to deconstruct masculinity than any feminist scholar in history. Like that one man can be so monumentally retarded is nearly enough to make me a feminist. Shit didnāt the transvestigators accuse him of being a secret FTM? Is Tate some deep cover agent trying to make toxic masculinity a thing?
No.1837323
>>1837322Itās patriot front. Not anything serious
No.1837325
>>1837323Yes it is Patriot Front.
No.1837328
>>1837316This is just a stunt to get their base riled up about Satanism. Even in red states, every interpretation of law says Satanists have the same rights as any other Christian sect.
No.1837337
>>1837316I thought this was Amuerica!
No.1837353
>>1837084>Tell me you're a middle-class cunt who has no intention of ever picking up a tool without telling me. You useless fucks need to be enslavedI don't think you read my post.
No.1837354
>>1837316fuck desantis and every piece of legislation his signs but satanism is unironically cringe
No.1837357
>>1837323No wall of text, not the real CPUSA anon
No.1837361
>>1837330>>1837322Based. America ain't for sale. Fukkkk israellll
No.1837363
>>1837362Wait. Wouldn't the FBI have them support Israel
No.1837371
>>1837363I mean I don't see why any actual leftist would be praising fascists.
No.1837376
>>1837322Relax, Donny, these are Nihilists, they're harmless
No.1837377
>>1837357Nah itās me, I just consider Patriot Front in particular to be an exceptionally stupid group. Say what you will of other neo Nazi orgs but they seem to at least have some thugs in their org. Meth heads mostly. Patriot Front are just a bunch of suburbanite nerds who got caught on into /pol/. Shit I listened to one of them, the Simi Valley guy, and going by voice alone the kid sounds like a fucking nerd. The only lesson theyāve taken from every other failed Nazi project in the US is that they have to dress nicer.
Theyāve got no strategy for political power. They just do gay little marches and some petty vandalism. They, like every other political formation in America, are just a poor imitation of their forebears. Men of actual talent are exceedingly rare these days.
No.1837393
>>1837377Convincing CPUSA anon, me believes
No.1837394
>>1837013I've known this forever. It's true of several states, not just Florida. Go to prisonlegalnews if you want to be filled with rage all the time. The worst part is everyone concludes prisoners just "deserve" this bullshit so nobody fights against it. fuck this country
No.1837395
>>1837371Because they are anti-imperialist.
No.1837396
>>1837322>actual antisemitesnobody cares
>students saying free palestinebetter paint them as antisemites
No.1837402
>>1837400it might be time to round up these people and light them on fire
No.1837406
>>1837402I say let them be unless they start doing stuff to people irl, which is unlikely to happen. Right now they're showing the world what libertarians are all about while Milei is discrediting lolbert economics.
No.1837408
>>1837406>unless they start doing stuff to people irli'm talking about the frat guys ejecting homeless w/ the pigs
No.1837409
>>1837400That page is a lolcow page and will fail to have engagement outside some far right chvds
No.1837412
How do any of you cope with living in this scum society because I'm at my wits end and will probably off myself by the end of the year if this keeps up.
No.1837413
>>1837400>>1837092IIRC the Libertarian Party has been wholly co-opted by something called āthe Mises caucusā which have argued, among other things, that the path to political power in this country is posting increasingly absurd and enraging statements. Someone on here said thereās talk that this mightāve been a Republican plot to undermine their rivals because lolberts have cost them narrow elections in the past.
Iāll also say that Iām pretty sure thisāll be the future of groups like the DSA, too. Theyāll just be posting some cringe guillotine memes instead, I think.
No.1837414
>>1837412I keep a white flag in my basement that I'll raise when the JDPON Army matches through
No.1837415
>>1837412Personally I'm looking for ways to improve the world around me. It's the only option I have.
No.1837419
>>1837412Unironically take a break from politics and start exercising. Try to form healthy social relationships and take a break from the news. Doomscrolling does nothing but make you more depressed. Maybe get a new job, too.
Iād say part of the reason shit feels so bleak is because our only interaction with āwider societyā are jobs that make us miserable or the internet and television.
No.1837422
>>1837419It's tough because I live in a house where Newsmax is on 24/7. Most of my friends have mildly chinletdish views and do nothing but smoke and play vidya.
A new job would be nice because my manager is a fascist cunt and the job sucks ass
No.1837438
>>1837400frat boys aren't cops you can literally beat them up though
like yeah they have copious amounts of premarital sex and usually bench press but like, people annoyed the fuck out of the cops in 2020, a bunch of jocks ain't shit in comparison once people start learning to fight back
No.1837446
>>1837440The āTate is a secret Trans feministā thing is a joke, silly.
No.1837455
>>1837377>Theyāve got no strategy for political power. They just do gay little marches and some petty vandalism.I think earlier we were talking about them and described them as an SA-type organization without the party to attach itself to. But they're barely a miniature version of the SA. Makes me think of the first few paragraphs in the 18th Brumaire. You see this kind of "conjuring up the dead of world history" a lot in politics. The Tea Party dressed up as colonial revolutionaries to give their cause the impression of a great historical drama, while what they were actually doing was: electing Republicans, cutting taxes, etc. I don't think this is simply to bamboozle one's political opponents either btw – people conceal what they're really doing from themselves.
Patriot Front does use ideology and propaganda about how the West has fallen and all that, but to me it looks more like an attempt to mask how unheroic they actually are.
So there are limits to historical comparisons. Just because people conjure up these symbols to dramatize what they're doing now doesn't make them, like, the same as that. There's a funny scene in Iron Sky where Pres. Sarah Palin is struggling in the polls so she enlists some Nazis to help her LARP like Hitler so she can win re-election (it turns out to be very successful), like a Dark Brandon maneuver. I feel like a lot of politics today is like that.
No.1837456
>>1837455>an SA-type organization without the party to attach itself tothey are a fed op
No.1837458
>>1837120The American system is deeply conservative (as in, pro-establishment, pro-status-quo; not as a synonym for reactionary) at a fundamental level. It's designed to keep chugging along at all costs, being just flexible enough to deal with moment-to-moment issues, patch holes in the system, and stave off existential threats, but relatively closed to meaningful systemic change from within.
No.1837460
the big meme about patriot front is to call them feds, every thread about them on pol is derailed when someone just makes a post calling them feds and you get their supporters sperging out.
also they do nothing but march around like dumbasses
No.1837462
>>1837419Some good advice here though I never understood the "give up on politics" line of reasoning. Then again I enjoy that shit so maybe it's just me.
Now if only I wasn't so damn socially awkward. No.1837463
>>1837460I really don't think they're feds, but like… wannabe feds… or a wannabe auxiliary for a far-right government, but until then they can't think of anything better to do except march around in circles.
No.1837464
>>1837412I have a gf, she gives me the will to keep it pushing, if we break up either I commit suicide or join some Maoist guerrillas somewhere (elaborate suicide)
No.1837465
>>1837463they serve the feds by being a boogeyman that politicians can use to justify expanding the surveillance state to combat "extremism," and when SHTF they could potentially be turned into actual RWDS
No.1837468
>>1837452They literally march against funding israel. You probably think Harvey Lee Oswald was a fed too
No.1837470
>>1837468>You probably think Harvey Lee Oswald was a fed tooYeah I think that was probably likely.
No.1837472
>>1837468So? It's not because they're against imperialism; it's because they hate da jooz.
No.1837473
>>1837468>You probably think Harvey Lee Oswald was a fed tooYou probably think V*ush isn't.
No.1837482
>>1837306just replace white people with ham sandwich
No.1837488
>>1837322Why do they all dress like that? They look retarded
No.1837489
>>1837455Funny enough Iāve been thinking about that. Especially in regards to Fascism. Thereās this fbi.gov between āoldā and ānewā in politics. Whats old might be ārediscoveredā but weāre strangled by the framing of it as it historically existed. The Socialist in the West is trying to be Lenin while Lenin was his own man. I was trolling /pol/ once and when I called out one of them for being pathetic, one of them confidently responded āIāM GONNA BE THE NEXT HITLER!ā (Itās funnier if you imagine it in Narutoās voice). And yāknow, as much as Hitler idolized various national āheroesā of Germany, he was his own man. Mao was his own man. They were capable of striking out on their own course and hence gave their names to new ideological formations. In the present, however, weāre just trying to remake the past. People are constrained, in a sense, by these past specters.
Is there a single Marxist-Leninist with the willpower and confidence to assert heās āascendedā or āovercomeā Lenin? A single Fascist who thinks heāll overcome Hitler or į“uį“lossnW? It often feels like these men see themselves as just stewards for the second coming of Hitler or Lenin.
Yknow I was reading some post-war newspapers from veterans of the British Union of Fascists. A few things stand out to me: those blackshirts were still referring to Mosley as āThe Leaderā as in āIt warmed my heart to see The Leader againā and there was still that theyād continue to reference Mosley with reverence. One of them was recounting his experience in Dunkirk and said he understood, seeing all those corpses, why Mosley was anti war.
Does Patriot Front honestly have that level of devotion to their own āleaderā? The Texas twink with the scraggly beard? Or are they in the same sad niche as Elvis Presley fans long after heās died?
No.1837505
>>1837203>I personally think thereās a possibility for a populist upsurge if you can rally people around a message of firing ALL the current crops of politicians and abolishing the big two political parties. Turn the Dems and Reps both into symbols of American dysfunction and run on a platform of ending them. Itād be especially potent because youād be confronting them with their own uselessness. And as they cling desperately on to power and try to undermine populist competitors, itāll reiterate to people that theyāre just on their own side. They arenāt āservingā anyone but themselves.lets be honest if its gets to this point were getting an actual IN YOUR FACE police state. Our shitty overlords would rather have an 1984 fascist nightmare society then even the most mild socdem reforms.
No.1837506
>>1837505burger police were suffering from attrition during the 2020 protests. they're not equipped to actually handle that kind of popular uprising. they desperately depend on the public not being radicalized and being against whoever they're trying to control. the moment the people of the US unite in one struggle, that game is over for them.
No.1837512
>>1837505So I want to preface this by saying I know where youāre coming from and sympathize.
With that said, Iām genuinely sick of this attitude on the Left. The people of Gaza are living a Hell we canāt imagine, but they havenāt surrendered. The Fascists havenāt surrendered even when their ideas were crushed under a Soviet tank. But too many western leftists are saying itās impossible or whatever.
Iāve got a friend, also a communist, who claims that as soon as thereās any kind of anti-capitalist uprising in America the ruling class will just nuke the country, instantly. Like, nuke the entire population with the goal of destroying the American, if not the human, race. And itās ridiculous. Itās turning the ruling class into unassailable gods rather than what they are: men. Stupid. Shortsighted. Cowardly. Men.
If you earnestly believe that Socialism will result in the destruction of the human race, then stop getting involved in the movement and try to find some inner peace beyond it. But responding to any attempt to advocate progressive change with āweāll get 1984 x1000 if we do anythingā isnāt helping.
Iād post Mosleyās speech on not giving into despair, but people would think Iām advocating fascism rather than quoting a fairly charismatic speaker giving legitimately good advice.
No.1837513
>>1837472That's what the democrats want you to think. They should get social credit for protesting
No.1837514
>>1837289American Conservatism isn't a political movement, it's a clique; a thing people join because they want friends and a personality for cheap, even if they're not consciously aware that that's what they're doing.
The actual ideology is a distant second to the catchphrases, the aesthetics, the brand, the lifestyle, the identity. Which is why said ideology is this ill-defined, ever-changing, self-contradictory pile of retardation, built on a foundation of labels to put in your Twitter bio, and lead by midwit internet personalities like Peterson and Shapiro.
Their actions for, the most part, don't serve any larger ambitions, even if they'd like to think otherwise. They're too ignorant of politics, both in theory and in practice, to actually understand the systems they're purporting to fight beyond a superficial level. And they don't particularly care to become more knowledgeable, because, again, all they care about is the superficial stuff. Investigating the underlying reasons things are the way they are, forming a well-defined political philosophy, and then using it to take meaningful action is hard. Boycotting a dogshit beer brand because Twitter told you to, on the other hand, is incredibly easy.
It's the kind of thinking you should outgrow by your mid-20s at the very latest, but we live in a time of great immaturity, so I'm not surprised.
No.1837515
>>1837513No, these specific guys literally do. They're actual, literal white nationalists. I'm not saying this because they're protesting Israel, I'm saying this because I know what Patriot Front is.
No.1837526
>>1837514Anglo American comservatism isnt real conservatism.
Alot of conservative ethnics even say so.
Also, alot of Anglo American conservatism.is more something people grow into by their mid twenties not out of.
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