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 No.805130[Last 50 Posts]

šŸ—½United States PoliticsšŸ¦…

Absolute State of America Edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth.

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State mandated propaganda livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism

 No.1834969

>>1834906
Lmao love how they gave up on putting the Ukrainian flag on the top of each edition

 No.1834970

>>1834949
It's not, people will move on eventually.

 No.1834971

>>1834949
Reality is becoming increasingly unfavorable to their programs, so now all they can do is try and control its perception.

 No.1834976

>>1834958
Some say itā€™s motivated by the declining economic strength and *social inversion* whereby Chinese become richer and more culturally progressive than Japan.

But really is just that in the Selected Countries itā€™s become permissible and even encouraged to hate Chinese because they are aligned as part of the West against the oriental menace. Most racism is barely restrained and held back by social norms. When those norms invert, pure hatred suffuses the social space without bound, until it shocks the conscience. It happened here too, starting in 2017 and peaking 2021 or so, and is gathering strength again. But in Japan and SK itā€™s acceptable to call for death of all Chinese in the last few years.

 No.1834980

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Trump slams anti Israel protesters, promises to "fire the radical left" from all college campuses if elected
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-hell-fire-radical-left-from-colleges-focus-on-defending-american-tradition-if-elected
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/donald-trump-slams-antiisrael-protests-at-columbia-university/video/72129fbeb2576db91943e8ed9cd4053a
Trump said his "secret weapon" will be the "college accreditation system," which he says is called "accreditation for a reason."
"When I return to the White House, I will fire the radical left, accreditors that have allowed our colleges to become dominated by Marxist maniacs and lunatics," the former president continued. "We will then accept applications for new accreditors who will impose real standards on colleges once again, and once and for all."
Trump said the standards would include "defending the American tradition and Western civilization, protecting free speech, eliminating wasteful administrative positions that drive up costs, incredibly, removing all Marxist diversity, equity and inclusion bureaucrats, offering options for accelerated and low cost degrees, providing meaningful job placement and career services, and implementing college entrance and exit exams to prove that students are actually learning and getting their money's worth."

 No.1834983

>>1834980
I am not american, but i am not voting for trump after that

 No.1834993

>>1834983
But but but he's le based anti-imperialist

 No.1834999

>>1834486
Why arenā€™t there UN peacekeeping missions in the U.S.? There is violence and political instability.

 No.1835000

>>1834976
>But in Japan and SK itā€™s acceptable to call for death of all Chinese in the last few years.
The US is probably prepping them to be cannon fodder shock troops.

 No.1835002

>>1834976
Itā€™s all artificial and propaganda

 No.1835004

>>1834980
LMAO, Don Zion strikes again to show how the GOP is essentialy a party of opportunists and evangelical imperialists who seek the interests of the bourgeoise, truly the "america first" party that only support the few chvddy petit burger losers.
Guess america is fucked with those brainrotted imperialists on power,

 No.1835006

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>>1834980
Expect the leftiods here who still has cringe/based dialectics in their brains to DEFEND this.
I am not telling you to voot for biden, if you are an accelerationist go vooot for trump but I am sick and tired of all this trumpfaggotry on this leftypol

 No.1835008

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>>1834920
>>1834850
Gonna offer my own take here and say I disagree with the fundamental premise of "accelerationism" as Socialist praxis. If anything I imagine it'd benefit Fascists and I sincerely doubt the "After them, us" nonsense that gets spouted around. Hell I've heard the term "accelerationism" actually comes from an Italian Neo-Fascist (a self described "Nazi-Maoist") during the years of lead; he thought it would lead them to power first and foremost.

That aside I think it goes back to the Caesar versus Spartacus dilemma I mentioned. For those who are wondering what I'm talking about, Oswald Mosley in his "The Philosophy of Fascism" contrasts the figure of Julius Caesar to Spartacus briefly, saying:

>Caesarism stood against Spartacism on the one hand and the Patrician Senate on the other. […] whenever the world, under the influence of Spartacus drifted to complete collapse and chaos, it was always what Spengler called the ā€œgreat fact-menā€ who extracted the world from the resultant chaos and gave mankind very often centuries of peace and of order in a new system and a new stability.


Contrast this with Karl Marx, who called Caesar a "mediocre individual" I believe; whereas he saw Spartacus as a heroic leader of the ancient proletariat. I think more than seeing the worldview of these two men in these statements, you also get a deeper insight into the psychology of how people within a society react to its decline. Let's not forget, Spartacus wasn't part of Roman society in a meaningful sense. Slaves had little to no rights, to the point I think it took later Emperors instituting laws that seem more on par with regulations against animal cruelty than any rights entitled to a full human being. It might've been Cato the Elder that said he basically worked his slaves until they were too old or broken to be worked anymore, then sold them for profit. They were exploited by Roman society, but not members of Roman society. Let's consider the poorest members of Roman society and I believe they would be the plebeians. They would work from a young age, often in urban poverty, and certainly held some resentment for rich Roman patricians… however when it came down to it, they weren't friends of Spartacus. If anything they were likely rallying to the State to save them from Spartacus. His army of freed slaves, even if the plebeians by and large weren't slave owners themselves, represented an existential threat to Roman society which they were a part of.

An example of that mindset would be: your piece of shit dad borrows some money from some cartel without telling anyone. Well he doesn't have the money at their exorbitant instant rates and now a bunch of thugs are pounding on the door to your family home. Even if your father is the biggest piece of shit on earth, you likely aren't going to open that door. You'll beat him just as much as he beats you; maybe part of you wants to kill him, but there's no way you're opening that door to the cartel. And if they try to break in, chances are you'll reach for the gun above the fireplace rather than hoping by being a passive observer they won't hurt you.

Now most of the time "Marx was speaking to his time, times have changed since then!" Is a lazy rebuttal of Marxism by people who think he only talked about how mean the old gilded age tycoons were. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand just because it's lazy. There have been numerous changes since Marx's day, and I think the most notable of these has the gradual enfranchisement of workers under bourgeois republics. I think this represents a seismic shift from the proletariat being comparable to the "slaves of Rome" and towards a class reminiscent of the plebians. And the thing is once you're fully brought into a social reality and have a stake in it, the "fuck it, burn it all down" mentality so eagerly embraced by a lot on the Left places them in a category outside of that reality. When I pointed out earlier that Lenin mentioned he loved the Russian language and culture as a pushback against the vulgar "fuck America" stuff on here, a lot of people huffed and said "WELL HE MERCILESSLY CRITIQUED THE TSAR! IF HE WAS A PATRIOT HE WOULD HAVE LOVED THEM!" Which, I mean, I'm not saying Lenin was at all a patriot, but there's a huge difference between critiquing the rulers of a society and the society itself.

I told a friend once, who's also a Communist, that I can't hate "America" in the general sense because America, to me, is my coworkers. It's my neighbors. It's the fellow who lived a block down from me and asked for help shopping in case his electric wheelchair broke down. It's the immigrants who came here. Hell, it's me. Whether we want to or not, we're a part of this huge social reality, in the same way we can't choose our parents or siblings.

In Marx's day you'd see, even in republics, things like the franchise restricted to property-owning men. Hell FDR had trouble getting minimum wage passed because of a strict classical liberalism in the supreme court that saw any contract between individuals as sacrosanct, even if it's between an employee and an exploitative employer. You'd have entire communities of people who were working class, all living in the same town (maybe even the same tenement!) working six-days a week, sometimes for 14 hours a day. What Marx saw as class consciousness could also be thought of as the birth of a nation within the nation. A nation of people with the shared experience of laboring for most of their lives under a class of ruthless capitalists. They could look their boss in the eye and see in him a symbol of a wider conflict; much like how Spartacus spent his last moments trying to kill Crassus.

But once you're brought into the system the desire to burn it down completely, barring some truly extreme circumstances, is whittled away. The Russian Proles and Peasants had centuries of truly brutal serfdom and limited political rights to look back on. The Chinese lived through a century of anarchy and the warlords which emerged were often highly self-interested and arbitrary in their rulings. The people who fought for the revolutions in those countries, broadly speaking, weren't rebelling against a society they were a part of. They were rebelling against one they were outside of.

The resilience of Bourgeois Republics in resisting revolution isn't just because of the false promise of voting, but because the modern Republican Citizen is fundamentally part of the society that the Marxist boasts they'll burn down. Revolution seems more like smashing the support beams of your own house rather than toppling an oppressor. I've been to some truly poor parts of the country, and I've met Native Americans dressed in some "'Murica, love it or leave" shit. In that same town I saw a Black man complain about "N**gers from Cali coming up here to steal and deal drugs". These weren't rich men by any means. It wasn't a town of rich people. They however saw themselves as part of a larger social organism. You could bring some really talented Marxists up there, and as long as they keep spouting the "fuck society" line they'll be alienated at best and shot at worst. Not by the feds, but likely by the people of the town themselves.

 No.1835014

>>1835006
Trump would order the national guard to shoot the protestors. Pro-trump retards are just retarded adventurism brain rot posters who want an epic happening.

 No.1835016

>>1835008
Oh and one final addendum: I don't think this is a particularly western phenomena. I remember watching a special report on Indian workers in salt flats. The pay was shit, the conditions were poor, these people were undeniably hyper exploited, yet I don't see them running off to join the Naxalists. As it stands one could argue that the position of the Naxalists has gotten poorer over the years, and while I confess I don't know too much of Indian politics, I don't see a Socialist Revolution emerging there in the immediate future. Maybe a Social Democracy, but even with all the problems it faces and the frankly cruel caste system within the country, as long as they can incorporate more people into the wider polity, the state can survive.

 No.1835022

>>1834980
>(((Marxist)))
We're just going to ignore this antisemitic dogwhistle aren't we?

 No.1835028

>>1834993
Anon, its trumpover

 No.1835040

>>1834949
Ban reddit not TikTok

 No.1835050

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 No.1835052

>>1835008
Aren't you an advocate for fascism?

 No.1835055

>>1835040
Bro Reddit is Glowie central Reddit is completely compromised by the Feds.

 No.1835057

>>1835054
Donā€™t click on hide I would be devastated.

 No.1835058

>>1835050
Hang all teachers

 No.1835059

>>1835057
it's a spambot.
they have been periodically spamming with greentext quotes of random posts ITT. seems like a test for when mods are asleep.

 No.1835061

>>1835049
What if I hate all my coworkers and neighbors though

 No.1835069

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I would rather just skip ahead to the next phase though honestly. Musk, Harari, Pritzker(s), Rothblatt and the rest of those technocrat fucks all need to be shut down

 No.1835105

>>1834906
>TERRORISTS HAVE SEIZED AN IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITY!!!!!!!! HAMAS IS IN CONTROL ITS OVER ITS OVER ITS OVER!!!!!
What will Mr. Beast come up with next? That guy is full of surprises.

 No.1835138

>>1834593
>critical support for accelerating vpn use and tech literacy to overcome restrictions among amerifats

 No.1835168

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 No.1835174

>>1834980
This is Fox News, so the framing is made for a specific audience to build support for Trump. This audience is very backwards and just plainly hates all petite-bourgeois Columbia University students. Using Fox News to gauge Trump's actual relation to this issue is questionable at best.
Trump: College protests are a ā€˜disgraceā€™ and all ā€˜Bidenā€™s faultā€™
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4614906-trump-college-israel-palestine-protests-disgrace-bidens-fault/
<ā€œWhatā€™s going on at the college level and the colleges ā€” Columbia, NYU and others ā€” is a disgrace,ā€ Trump said as he arrived at a Manhattan courthouse for his hush money trial. ā€œAnd itā€™s really on Biden. He has the wrong signal. Heā€™s got the wrong tone. Heā€™s got the wrong words. He doesnā€™t know who heā€™s backing. And itā€™s a mess.ā€
Trump declares here that Biden's zionism is a profound mistake. Trump is NOT a zionist.
Trump urges Israel to end its Gaza offensive
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
Trump is actively pushing for an end to the conflict.

 No.1835176

>>1835174
Yet before all this he too was wanting to support Israel Trump is a huge Opportunist its not even funny. Man is never constant with his politics.

 No.1835177

>>1835174
>>1835176
>And itā€™s really on Biden. He has the wrong signal. Heā€™s got the wrong tone. Heā€™s got the wrong words. He doesnā€™t know who heā€™s backing. And itā€™s a mess"

Sounds like he wants to be even more zionist to me

 No.1835179

>>1835177
Yeah, when trump claims everyone loves him it is true. Evryhthing he says is real policy not just the ramblings of a clown. The presideny is responsible for all laws despite having no imvolvement but the power to veto,

 No.1835206

>>1835168
>the mussolini sculpture
deep cut reference

 No.1835258

TikTok discourses kind of distrubing tbh. Americans hate China so much. They donā€™t have any values or any kind. No principles. No right. Just a void filled with hatred and fear of the yellow peril.

 No.1835266

>>1835258
>They donā€™t have any values or any kind. No principles. No right.
every day i check leftypol i stumble onto a whiny moralistic post. welp

 No.1835272

>>1835174
It could be that Trump thinks Biden isnā€™t going hard enough on the protestors. It is empty rhetoric.

 No.1835295

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what is up with even western redstates being fucking expensive?

 No.1835297

>>1835295
>house price
Kind of a bullshit statistic considering property is judged on square footage and lot size.

>OMG THE HOUSE PRICE FOR THIS 10 ACRE PROPERTY


Stop looking for outrage graphics and start looking for investment opportunities.

 No.1835299

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>>1835297
Dis right hurr simpleton faggots.

 No.1835308

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>>1835272
>>1835179
Here is the full video. Isn't it funny how the mainstream media tries to frame Trump as a zionist?

All of the democrat media is doing this. Even Fox newsā€”which has been transformed into an
arm of the bourgeoisie ever since the dominion lawsuitā€”is trying to frame Trump as a zionist.
Headlines cannot be trusted. I don't think Trump is a zionist.

The bourgeois media has twisted Trump's words in such mindbending way in primarily two ways:
1. When Trump says that Biden abandoned Israel, I think Trump is really saying that Biden's
genocidal approach is only making things worse for them. In a way, Biden really has abandoned
Israel to the conditions he helped create.
2. When Trump says verbatim that Biden tries and fails to play nice to the Arab world, Trump
does not mean that Biden is too nice. Trump clearly means the opposite, though the bourgeois
media frames it that way.
Making immediate peace seems to be Trump's priority.

Trump really is the anti-imperialist,
despite what the bourgeois media tricks you rotten imperialist democrats into believing.
>>1835272
Trump's words against the protesters are just thin air. Trump doesn't want the anti-zionist protests to end. The bottom line is that Biden is more alienated from the masses if he cracks down on them. Trump is brilliant for recognizing this.

 No.1835309

>>1835295
>all that fucking worthless real estate in coastal florida
lol

 No.1835310

>>1835299
>>1835297
?? incomprehensible underage posts

 No.1835314

>>1835310
Just ignore it

 No.1835317

>>1835266
Youā€™re so stupid. Leftoids crawl so far up their own ass they donā€™t even remember there are differences between good and bad things.

 No.1835319

>>1835317
This isnā€™t smart materialist analysis. Itā€™s complete surrender to the national security state, fascism, racism and repression of the weak by the strong. Your life, your own freedom and the forces that shape your future are dictated by hatred of China now. And you deceive yourself pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse.

 No.1835320

>>1835308
>All of the democrat media is doing this. Even Fox newsā€”which has been transformed into an
arm of the bourgeoisie ever since the dominion lawsuit

Are you an actual polconvert?

 No.1835323

>>1835320
Thank you for pointing out my error. I meant to say that Fox was transformed BACK into an arm of the bourgeoisie after the dominion lawsuit and Tucker was booted. Fox briefly WAS a revolutionary outlet, back when Trump was president.

 No.1835346


 No.1835348

It's very refreshing to see how many normies support or are at least sympathetic to the student protesters despite the overwhelming negative media narrative. I think Porky's overplaying his hand with these cracksdowns and there will be a lot more backlash than he's expecting.

 No.1835350

>>1835295
wealthier areas have higher real estate prices

 No.1835368

The reaction to these anti-genocide protests seems even more bloodthirsty than the response to BLM in 2020. Fucking bleak shit.

I've yet to see what's actually so "authoritarian" about the encampments either. They're just….there.

 No.1835369

>>1835308
Pro-Trump lefties are fucking delusional.

 No.1835371

>>1835368
>The man who enthrusted his son-in-law to normalize arab countries relationship with Israel with nothing in return from the latter is actually anti imperialist

 No.1835373


 No.1835377

>>1835368
Yeah. These are elite universities not some random street protestors too.
Islamophobia plus boomer evangelical worship of Israel are big drivers of this stupid response. Smart choice was to ignore it and let it fade, but they just couldn't help themselves.
Thankfully it draws attention to the situation.

 No.1835380

>>1835319
>And you deceive yourself pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse.
The American state has embraced Chinese racism before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

There's even been Chines massacres before too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
Those massacres were actually recorded and many were not. Who know how many have actually been killed over the years without documentation.

 No.1835386

>>1835319
>pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse
…for the USA
They no longer has the political or economic capacity to re-enact the draft. So their escalation to protect their hegemon status may as well be speeding towards a precipice, while cry-chugging the brake fluid.

 No.1835389

>>1835377
The vicious repression of these protests is good honestly
Itā€™s the inverse of what happened with BLM
With BLM you had night gang fucking shit up and people realizing ā€œOh shit, if we fight backā€¦.they retreatā€
With whatā€™s happening now, every repression over basically just students walking around campus and chanting not only triggers more protests in more campuses, but also professors walking out to, and the formation of barricades and protestors fighting cops by necessity

Maybe zionists, the psychotic retards that they are, are a boon to the class struggle, these slimy fucks couldnā€™t help themselves, they needed all Americans to kneel, they need each and every college president to bow, and now theyā€™re literally compelling all non-Boomer Americans to despise Zionism and Israel and want the downfall of both

Imagine living to see the last major colonial project in the world collapse in your lifetime šŸ˜­

 No.1835390

>>1835348
Itā€™s a few things
First off mainstream media is basically dying, even boomers are online now, people get their news online
Secondly, Americans despise being stopped from protesting our own government, we sure as fuck wonā€™t stand to be repressed to uphold some smarmy, parasitic, genocidal foreign regime

 No.1835391

>>1835258
Why do you believe the TikTok discourse is at all organic? 1 in every 3 Americans has a TikTok account and regularly uses TikTok, the online posts celebrating the ban are mostly glowops

 No.1835392

>>1835052
It increasingly feels that way, with CPUSA anon

 No.1835394

>>1834629
Because good citizens have nothing to fear
If you arenā€™t a terrorist the state wonā€™t hurt you

 No.1835395

>>1835371
Trump literally supports Hamas and Hezbollah. Netanyahu betrayed Trump. Trump IS NOT a zionist.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-israels-netanyahu-was-not-prepared-hamas-attack-2023-10-12/

 No.1835398

>>1835369
In what way?

 No.1835399

>>1835368
Commies now have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make their voices heard and awaken some class conciousness.

 No.1835400

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>>1834512
>tiktok banned
Total social media death

 No.1835401

>>1835389
maybe so, it's just really hard for me to believe any of that when virtually everyone around me - family, friends, coworkers - is a frothing zionist-supporter.

 No.1835402

>>1835389
>ā€œOh shit, if we fight backā€¦
Until the election season is over, then it's back to brunch.

 No.1835404

>>1835174
>politicians are sincere, especially the one I prefer

Kid, you're not gonna make it in the real world.

 No.1835405

>>1835401
Your immediate social circle is never an unbiased sample.

 No.1835406

>>1835402
This doesnā€™t even make sense, night gang werenā€™t pigskin liberals, youā€™re thinking of day gang
Faggot
>>1835401
I donā€™t know a single Zionist outside of some retarded ex-coworker everyone hated

 No.1835408

>>1834629
I honestly think it might have more to do with how their algorithm is less shitty than other platforms and the ā€œdata collectionā€ fear mongering is a smoke screen.

 No.1835411

>>1835377
>>1835389
These protests need workers to join in, otherwise this is going to fizzle out if it's just students protesting.

>>1835402
Not going to happen. Unlike last time, these people know that Demonrats are not to be trusted at all and won't stop after the election.

 No.1835412

>>1835402
RETVRN TO BRVNCH!

 No.1835413

>>1835410
Unfortunately the working class has slightly more important and immediate things to worry about than virtue signaling for some moral crusade half a world away. But none of these students have ever worked a day in their lives so itā€™s not surprising they donā€™t think spiraling inflation and crippling debt are issues

 No.1835414

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>>1834512
We get ever closer to declaring non western trade "Authoritarian mode of production" just so we can do protectionism without calling it so. "Freedom Firewall" next lel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_capitalism

 No.1835416

>>1835414
Literally the most obvious glow article Iā€™ve seen in a while jfc

 No.1835417

>>1835368
Possibly has something to do with those universities being closely tied to the defense industry.

 No.1835419

>>1835414
Left anti-communists really desperately trying to avoid using the term ā€œsocialistā€ so they have to make up shit

 No.1835420

>>1835419
The writers of that article arenā€™t left anti-communists, just liberals or glowops, and Russia isnā€™t socialist retard

 No.1835421

>>1835420
Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist in terms of geopolitics and foreign policy which in the waning days of imperialism is what matters most
>The writers of that article arenā€™t left anti-communists, just liberals or glowops
Same thing

 No.1835422

>>1835414
Well i am the prominent figure for Authoritarian Posadism. We are going to nuke the Imperial Core sending out missiles on ourselves in the US. That way we going to have a huge signal flare for the Space Comrades.

 No.1835423

>>1835421
Oh
Youā€™re that retard
Neck yourself

 No.1835425

>>1835421
>hasn't read marx or lenin

 No.1835426

>>1835413
>internet contrarian points can be traded in for losing virginity

 No.1835427

>>1835413
Why is it always TOR users doing shit like shilling for Russia, shilling for Trump, and doing back door defenses for genocidal zionism?

 No.1835428

>>1835427
Either /pol/ trolls trying to avoid a ban or just fuckheads

 No.1835429

>>1835427
Maybe because Marxist Leninists have been actively censored and banned so long that the only avenue to break up the liberal circlejerk is by using the tor node? Unsurprising the mods decided to further poisoning the well to imply anybody going around random 5 year unappealable bans for ā€œspamā€ or often no stated reason at all are just le Russian spies. Just some food for thought

 No.1835430

>>1835421
>Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist in terms of geopolitics and foreign policy

I don't get it, what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"

 No.1835431

>>1835429
Maybe consider having opinions that are consistent with marxism?

 No.1835432

>>1835430
It means nothing.

 No.1835433

>>1835430
The steadfast containment of and opposition to imperialism and Atlanticism

 No.1835434

>>1835431
>>1835430
m8 this is clearly a disturbed person. That's why the only advice is "Don't try".

 No.1835435

>>1835434
I'm pretty sure it's actually Butthole Flag Guy

 No.1835436

Also implying that the ā€œfreeā€ Palestine solution would actually solve anything rather than just dispersing the Zionists to other friendly countries to continue acting in the interests of the West is at best idealist drivel and actively anti-materialist. Nowhere do I see any of these protesters actually advocating to cut off the head of the snake, they just want to seem like theyā€™re doing something so that Zionism can have a progressive face

 No.1835439

>>1835430
>I don't get it, what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"
it's a gargantuan cope

 No.1835440

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>>1835421
>Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist
Delusional.
>>1835430
>what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"
clear signs of mental illness

 No.1835441

>>1835436
When the situation is desperate, you don't get to pick your friends.

 No.1835442

>>1835429
>Maybe because MLs are censored and banned
Imagine having this much of a victim complex on a board that regularly bans people for dunking on stalinists lmao

 No.1835443

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Harvey Weinstein's rape conviction overturned
Hollywood rapists must be breathing a sigh of relief right now.

 No.1835445

>>1835436
>Mfw nigha shills Russia and also zionism
I see why you use TOR

 No.1835446

>>1835443
Oh, fucking bullshit. We all know he did it.

 No.1835447

>>1835442
You people are so utterly boring I can't even be bothered coming up with a joke
/pol/ pot meet kettle

 No.1835448

>>1835447
>boring
What's boring is being a contrarian. Grow some actual principles and come back when you have sincere opinions and not just bad-faith "trigger the radlibs" shit

 No.1835449

>>1835441
Because first world university students are the poster children of ā€œdesperateā€
>>1835445
Amazing how calling for a long term solution to Zionism rather than simply a quick fix that lets the Zionists flee and reorganize is ā€œZionismā€

 No.1835450

File: 1714053543835.png (1.01 MB, 584x789, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1835446
Doesn't matter how guilty you are if they messed up the trial process.

 No.1835451

>>1835449
What long-term solution? If Israel is gone hypothetically what power do these people still have? Who gives a fuck if they run to America to cry, America will still be there and would fuck with the MENA with or without Israel you fuckin retard

 No.1835453

>>1835443
Finally they released /ourguy/ weinstein, he didnt do anything wrong but make feminists mad by being a netorare doujin ugly bastard and raping actresses. Woke btfo

 No.1835454

Come back lol

 No.1835457

File: 1714053968558.jpeg (138.37 KB, 637x975, Bait.jpeg)

>>1835421
>begins the invasion of Ukraine with a preamble that Lenin made a mistake
<surely this is a Marxist-Leninist

 No.1835462

>>1835449
this isn't about the students, this is about getting every body on every front line possible. This is a huge opportunity for a consensus crack in the intellectual nerve centers of the imperial core. That weakens Israel's soft power further.

Don't be dense just so you can get off on being contrarian.

 No.1835466

>>1835058
>>1835050
What the fuck is wrong with teachers? Is it the low salaries and bullshit politicking leaves only the most ideologically motivated? The only good one I had growing up was a carpenter turned math teacher who switched career to have the same schedule as his wife.

>>1835450
>social progress is when a rich black man can get away with what a rich white man does
It's not wrong, but it's also not something to cheer for. I read an interesting article in my alumni newspaper from some black gen x guy who was in school at the time and he was literally cheering for this. It rubbed me wrong.

 No.1835470

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 No.1835472

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Trump downplays deadly Charlottesville rally as a ā€˜peanutā€™ compared to Israel-Gaza protests
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/politics/donald-trump-charlottesville-palestine-protests/index.html
Donald Trump on Wednesday night downplayed the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which led to a womanā€™s death, as a ā€œpeanutā€ compared to the demonstrations happening across the US against Israelā€™s actions in Gaza.
In August 2017, White nationalists, neo-Nazis and other right-wing groups descended on Charlottesville to protest the cityā€™s decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, with some gathered chanting, ā€œJews will not replace us.ā€ One of the attendees rammed his car into a crowd, killing a 32-yeard-old paralegal and injuring several others.

There have been no reports of any comparable violence occurring during the pro-Palestinian demonstrations taking place across the country, which have centered largely on college campuses. Public officials have condemned incidents of antisemitism that have occurred amid the protests and raised concerns over the safety of Jewish students.
Trumpā€™s comments are his latest attempt to minimize the Charlottesville incident. He was widely condemned in 2017 for declaring there were ā€œvery fine peopleā€ on both sides of the demonstrations. Joe Biden invoked those comments when he announced his 2020 president campaign against Trump.

ā€œCrooked Joe Biden would say, constantly, that he ran because of Charlottesville. Well, if thatā€™s the case, heā€™s done a really terrible job because Charlottesville is like a ā€˜peanutā€™ compared to the riots and anti-Israel protests that are happening all over our Country, RIGHT NOW,ā€ Trump posted on Truth Social Wednesday night. Trump also accused Biden in the post of hating Israel and the Jewish people, but hating the Palestinian people even more. When asked about Trumpā€™s post, Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told CNN, ā€œPresident Trump is 100% correct.ā€

Biden campaign spokesperson Ammar Moussa said in a statement that ā€œthe American people are not going to be lectured to by the guy who called white supremacists very fine people after they chanted ā€˜Jews will not replace usā€™ and killed a woman.ā€ Biden on Monday decried antisemitic incidents that have occurred amid protests around college campuses and said his administration was working to combat anti-Jewish hatred. ā€œI condemn the antisemitic protests, thatā€™s why Iā€™ve set up a program to deal with that,ā€ Biden said when questioned about the events at Columbia University in New York. ā€œI also condemn those who donā€™t understand whatā€™s going on with the Palestinians.ā€

Pro-Palestinian protests have taken place at major universities across the US with nearly 100 people arrested at the University of Southern California and dozens arrested at the University of Texas in Austin on Wednesday. Protesters at Columbia University, the epicenter of demonstrations that began last week, said they wonā€™t disperse until the school agrees to cut ties with Israeli universities and commits to divesting funds from Israel-linked entities, among other demands.

Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson visited the campus on Wednesday to call for Columbia University President Minouche Shafik to resign if she cannot bring order to the campus. His calls were amid the growing unrest on these college campuses, leading to numerous congressional hearings and, at least in part, to the resignation of two Ivy League presidents ā€“ Claudine Gay at Harvard University and Liz Magill at the University of Pennsylvania.

 No.1835476

>>1835470
>been-there dads
what did he mean by this

 No.1835481

>>1835476
#metoo survivors?

 No.1835486

>>1835472
>genocide ongoing…
>DID YOU SEE WHAT TRUMP SAID? :O

 No.1835488

>>1835472
>Trump also accused Biden in the post of hating Israel and the Jewish people, but hating the Palestinian people even more.
Trump is anti-zionist.

 No.1835491

>>1835486
I mean… he's explicitly making a favorable comparison to a bunch of neo-nazis who were themselves openly calling for a genocide within the US, against Jews, in order to smear anti-zionist protestors as antisemites. And he's the former, likely next POTUS. And regardless of whether he wins or loses, he is the current leader of the GOP. As much of a clown as he is, what he says does matter. We know he's emboldened far right gropus, like in the case of the event he is talking about there (Unite the Right).

 No.1835506

>>1835495
>>What the fuck is wrong with teachers? Is it the low salaries and bullshit politicking leaves only the most ideologically motivated?
Yes. That's why you tend to get leftist teachers, it's the thing of wanting to actually improve society somewhat plus the fact that nobody else really wants to do it unless it can be unavoided, leaving as you say the 'ideologically motivated ones'.
Not a bad thing entirely although I would like to see them paid more but you tend to see in response over the last decades that schooling has got much strickter in what is able to be teached and teachers can less and less add their own lessions or teaching style or etc outside of the national curriculums, not that it is pointless to go in to teaching but it is a lot harder than it was as a leftist in that regard.

 No.1835510

>>1835491
The only time Charlottesville is ever brought anymore up is to smear trump, not like I care about the guy (he will most certainly not win the election) but it's clear as day that's what's happening. And it is a small peanut compared to gaza. 1 fat chick getting run over by another fat dude who is in prison for the rest of his life now… why should I care about some dumb burgershit that happened 7 years ago.

 No.1835519

>>1835472
can't this faggot just die already

 No.1835520

>>1835486
What, did you want me to give you another affirmation that a lot of people are being killed or starved? It's not like you and everyone else here didn't already know that.

 No.1835534

>>1835520
>What, did you want me to give you another affirmation
I commented on the link you posted, did you write the article? If not I don't care what you do.

 No.1835538

>>1835472
I really really want every bougeois person to be put in gulags. Is that too much to ask

 No.1835544

File: 1714064242060.mp4 (2.71 MB, 480x852, LJyJXP0sg0XNR0vS.mp4)

>>1835435
I disavow any relation to that anon. Anyways here's Harvard.

 No.1835549

>>1835506
>leftist teachers
Go back to /pol/. I have met a handful of leftist teachers and most of them changed career. What's left are mostly "muh bootstraps" libs telling soon to be prole kids if you read enough of porky's books and shine his shoes you can be the next Jeff Bezos. Not to mention they hypocritically contribute to the student debts crisis by telling everyone they have to go to college because it inflates their high school's prestige (lol).

 No.1835552

More Perfect Union Poll:

Among 500 Alabama Residents as a whole, 52/21, residents APPROVE of Mercedes Autoworkers unionizing in Tuscaloosa.

The approval rating of the UAW itself as a union:

Alabama Democrats: 58/15 APPROVE

Alabama Republicans : 35/32 APPROVE

Racial breakdown of the Tuscaloosa Mercedes Union Vote:

White in general: 49/27 APPROVE

White men: 42/35 APPROVE

White women: 45/19 APPROVE

Black men: 82% APPROVE

Black women: 66/8 APPROVE

CPUSAnon….
I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boys

 No.1835564

>>1835552
>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boys
they got them there liberal genes

 No.1835566

Northwestern University. Media morons and political dimwits think ordering students around and telling them they can't do something will make them stop doing it. I don't think leftypol needs to be reminded that the opposite is what is going to happen.

Article from Berkeley:

>The sound of buzzing surveillance drones over Gaza played from a loudspeaker on the steps of UC Berkeleyā€™s Sproul Hall, on the very spot where Mario Salvo rallied for free speech in the 1960s. A student encampment of about 40 tents at the campus on Tuesday, up from 12 the night before, spanned the landing and sprawled onto the grass.


>Many of the students here have a sense that something is wrong, but they donā€™t know all the history,ā€ said Ussama Makdisi, a UC Berkeley professor of history with a specialty in the Middle East and a chancellorā€™s chair, which is a high rank given to professors who have demonstrated unusual academic merit. ā€œThings have changed. The students are much more serious that something is wrong. And theyā€™re much more eager to know about the details of the history,ā€ he said, highlighting the diversity in his class of 91 students and those at the encampment. ā€œThereā€™s an incredible, incredible thirst for knowledge about Palestinian history. And now here we see Muslim and Jewish students, Christian students, Hindu students, itā€™s an incredible array of students.ā€


>In a week that saw the intensification of protests over the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza on college campuses across the country, including arrests at New York University, Yale University and Columbia University, the scene in Berkeley was contemplative. So far, there have been no police clearing the area and no arrests. […] ā€œWhat these students are doing is that they are actually taking seriously all of the discourse of the university,ā€ Makdisi said, referring to UC Berkeleyā€™s brand as a legacy defender of civil rights. ā€œThey are reckoning with a past of slavery and injustice and genocide. And theyā€™re taking those lessons, they are taking the discourse of the university literally.ā€

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/uc-berkeley-protest-against-war-in-gaza-peaceful-and-growing/

 No.1835570

>>1835566
did poltards and their irl and reddit variants ever get this treatment?

 No.1835574

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>>1835549
>leftist teachers
<Go back to /pol/.
Take your meds you delusional child.

 No.1835594

>>1835570
Only on January 6th

 No.1835600


 No.1835602

>>1835414
"Authoritarianism" is a useful term because it doesn't actually mean anything. It's not like the Western powers don't operate on any kind of authority, the "authoritarianism" accusation is just implying that you're using the wrong kind of authority.

 No.1835603

>>1835552
>what is going on with the white boys

relative surplus value is a bitch is what

 No.1835606

>>1835552
>82% of black men and 66% of black women approve of unionization
>only 42% of white men and 45% of white women approve
kill all white people now
no more pandering to white people
white people are genetically incapable of stopping themselves from licking the boots of capitalists

 No.1835608

>>1835552
Blacks have been the most likely to be unionized for at least a decade

 No.1835609

>>1835606
It's probably because the crackers get the PMC jobs. The PMC class is petite-bourgeois

 No.1835612

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 No.1835613

>>1835510
>why should I care about some dumb burgershit that happened 7 years ago.
Because Alex Jones and culture war lore, man. That's what informs policy, obviously. Haven't you watched the news? Dude, we won! Right? right?

 No.1835614

>>1835606
To be fair they only disapprove by 30%. SJWs got a good point they over emphasize.

 No.1835615

>>1835574
>leftism is when you support the progressive side of idpol of the week and nothing else
All anarkiddies need an icepick lobotomy. I swear to Marx, every single time I see an black flag on this board it's always above some right-deviation drivel conflating liberals and leftists. They are all reactionaries who should go back to toungeing Ayn Rand's dusty cooch over her thinly veiled great-man theory fetish material schlick-bait.

 No.1835617

>>1835612
Not that this will happen in north america, but I can definitely envision deep sea mining provoking wars in the future

 No.1835618

>>1835408
Most certainly 100%. None of our politicians can shut up about how their algorithm promotes anti-zionist messaging more. Also a "national security threat" that they're willing to leave alone for a whole year just to watch how the chips fall, doesn't sound like much of a security threat to begin with

 No.1835622

A Canadian linked this to me and I don't even know where to begin with it. Should I begin with saying that the crisis is overblown and the resource issue is due to a state government that is incapable to offer resources, but insists on doing so because its run by a bunch of "muh small government" ideologues? I'm interested in how I should tackle this.

 No.1835624

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Least out of touch democrat

 No.1835627

>>1835421
fuck off back to infrared.

 No.1835629

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>>1835624
Here's how every election in Shartistan is:

 No.1835630

>Trump is loved by the masses
>Biden is president and no one gives a shit that he's there or even greets him

 No.1835634

>>1835629
There's 1 more bomb being dropped in the republican pic so clearly democrats are better.

 No.1835636

>>1835629
Very creative

 No.1835667

Is it tue the famous anti -Union atmosphere in South of the Burg auto-plants got BTFO by diversity?

 No.1835671

>>1835602
It's not that it is the wrong type but that liberal authority hides behind hides behind a few layers of pretend political freedom and pretend economic freedom.
Western citizens get to vote for different parties that have the same fundamental policies. "Authoritarian" governments just skip the fake voting.
Western citizens get to choose between different oligarchs to work for but they all have the same fundamental relations to workers. "Authoritarian" governments will assign their citizens to a job directly.

"Authoritarian" governments just skip the fake choices liberals hide behind.

 No.1835677

Of all the people running in 2020, why was Biden chosen by porky to be the Democrat candidate?

 No.1835678

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>>1835634
Subtle point

>>1835671
>job
You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. That is the plot Stalinists have lost.

 No.1835684

>>1835612
Ever since the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, United States has claimed the entirety of the Americas so the mainland coast go without saying. I'm interested in how Russia wants to deal with it in the future but probably they'll just give most of it up .

 No.1835686

>>1835624
Evil asshole
vs
More Annoying Evil asshole

 No.1835688

>>1835678
>You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them.
Until we get star trek replicators there will be jobs, Anarkiddie

 No.1835690

>>1835630
>Trump is loved by the masses
>Biden is president and no one gives a shit that he's there or even greets him
What the hell do the masses believe in anyways? There's a lot of Muslim fundamentalists out there too, I believe. If you found that peace and freedom wasn't polling very well, would you think that our most inspiring leaders must lead on the basis of unfreedom and war? Did Martin Luther King speak for a majority?

Here's another measure of popularity: If we're going by sheer book sales, Obama blows them all out of the park. There's an antitrust trial going on right now involving Penguin Random House and Simon & Schuster and the DOJ had to remove the Obamas from their analysis of book sales because they sell so many it skews the data. And unlike Stephen King, Obama commanded a world-annihilating nuclear arsenal and a sprawling system of internment facilities, which makes his celebrity mass love-ins all the more bizarre.

The same thing applied to Taylor Swift or, say, Angelina Jolie seems relatively harmless in comparison. But when a president demands it, then I'm tuning out. I can maybe thank Obama for that – through the inflation of his ego to grotesque proportions, he converted millions of idealistic young people into disaffected, disappointed, detached cynics: in other words, into actual human beings living in something like the real world.

 No.1835692

>>1835686
It's not that simple. Mao preferred dealing with the west's reactionary liberals over their more advanced counterparts for a reason

 No.1835693

>>1835677
Most accommodating asshole. Can take an entire arm while providing full articulation to the arms and head.

>>1835688
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing) makes the work fetishist cry

 No.1835694

>>1835688
>blocks your path

 No.1835699

>>1835693
>>1835694
Factory automation, 3d printing and other new technologies once fully introduced will heavily reduce job hours but until the entire production process is completely automated there will still be jobs.

 No.1835703

whats with the comments here saying Trump is anti Zionist?
Hes not.

Also the right is pro Zionist. At least every Christian rightist is

 No.1835704

>>1835549
This is true. School teachers and guidance counselors are paid by how much they shill college

 No.1835709

File: 1714079386661.gif (2.92 MB, 291x300, 1668714789644.gif)

>>1835678
>You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them.
Perhaps you should read up on Stalin's time in power rather than spew shit you know nothing about.
>That is the plot Stalinists have lost.
Who are these Stalinists? I guarantee you they are not who you think they are. Stalinism was never actually a thing.

 No.1835717

>>1835704
There's no monetary reward. They push college because having a structured advanced education beyond high-school is good and they also think college will get their students better jobs. Obviously this ignores the huge debt and that the job market is fucked.

 No.1835720

>>1835703
it's just image board contrarianism. Some midwit trying to hunt for a hot take to make him seem more interesting than he is.

 No.1835723

>>1835694
Mine's bigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjIoGPZPNjU

>>1835709
>t.the real movement for changing the names of things

 No.1835729

File: 1714081298936.png (665.47 KB, 950x681, ClipboardImage.png)

kek

 No.1835730

>>1835729
ever notice he kinda looks like the woman from Onibaba after the girl gets the mask off

 No.1835740

>>1835709
>Stalinism was never actually a thing.
The materialist take is of course that Stalin was actually a medium possessed by the geists of Marx and Lenin, and the World Spirit too.

 No.1835741

File: 1714082236494.gif (1.54 MB, 480x283, giphy.gif)

>>1835709
>Stalinism was never actually a thing.
People say Maoism is a thing, why not embrace it? (Hoxha did, he said it would be an honor to be a Stalinist.) Well, whatever you want to call it, it was a specific phenomenon that existed in the world and had real consequences, namely: the political practices and culture of the USSR in the period of Joseph Stalin's governance as the leader of the CPSU. There were many antecedents within [whatever-that-thing-we're-not-calling-Stalinism], but that doesn't mean it wasn't a very particular set of organization and intellectual doctrines that had to be imposed by force on Comintern parties globally. You can't simply state it was pure Leninism. The status quo objectively changed. That's objectively true and a thing, whether you like it or not. The only question remaining is our interpretation and assessment of it.

 No.1835751

>>1835741
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/s/t.htm#stalinism

In contemporary parlance, the word ā€œStalinismā€ has come to embody a range of ideologies, specific political positions, forms of societal organization, and political tendencies. That makes getting at the core definition of ā€œStalinismā€ difficult, but not impossible.

First and foremost, Stalinism must be understood as the politics of a political stratum. Specifically, Stalinism is the politics of the bureaucracy that hovers over a workers' state. Its first manifestation was in the Soviet Union, where Stalinism arose when sections of the bureaucracy began to express their own interests against those of the working class, which had created the workers' state through revolution to serve its class interests.
From a social point of view, then, Stalinism is the expression of these pressures of imperialism within the workers' state. The politics of Stalinism flow from these pressures.

The political tenets of Stalinism revolve around the theory of socialism in one countryā€“developed by Stalin to counter the Bolshevik theory that the survival of the Russian Revolution depended on proletarian revolutions in Europe. In contradistinction, the Stalinist theory stipulates that a socialist society can be achieved within a single country.

In April 1924, in the first edition of his book Foundations of Leninism, Stalin had explicitly rejected the idea that socialism could be constructed in one country. He wrote: ā€œIs it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. The efforts of one country are enough for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie. This is what the history of our revolution tells us. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, especially a peasant country like ours, are not enough. For this we must have the efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries. Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution.ā€

In August 1924, as Stalin was consolidating his power in the Soviet Union, a second edition of the same book was published. The text just quoted had been replaced with, in part, the following: ā€œHaving consolidated its power, and taking the lead of the peasantry, the proletariat of the victorious country can and must build a socialist society.ā€ And by November 1926, Stalin had completely revised history, stating: ā€œThe party always took as its starting point the idea that the victory of socialism … can be accomplished with the forces of a single country.ā€

The ā€œtwo-stage theoryā€ has also propelled the Stalinists into ā€œpopular frontsā€ with so-calledā€œprogressiveā€elements of the bourgeois class to ā€œadvanceā€ the first revolutionary stage. Examples include Stalinist support (through the Communist Party, USA) to President Roosevelt 1930s. And, taking this orientation to its logical conclusion, the Communist Party in the United States consistently supports Democratic Party candidates for office, including the presidency.

 No.1835756

>a few strikes occur in my city in the 20s and 30s
>crushed by the bourg, kkk and law enforcement
>a few school walkouts and tiny marches in the 60s-70s
>2020 quickly fizzles even with the deployment of national guard
>palestine protests are even smaller
>biggest university of note is relatively far from downtown and primarily a commuter school
I can't help but feel a bit jealous of other places in burgerstan being a bit more "real" in the sense that suburbanization has dispersed people there less and allows them to organize shit. Here we have to deal with the usual problems of the NGOs, city/county/state governments, bourg propaganda and reactoids in conjunction with the fact that you have to drive to get anywhere here.

 No.1835770

>>1835729
>Bill Barr
Interesting… He was the AG under whose watch a certain JE supposedly committed suicide while detained in a federal facility. And Bill's father, back in the '70s, was instrumental in launching JE's career when he was still a very young man. The Donald, the Barrs father and son, JE… It's all a NYC story, really. And now we are watching this quite pathetic show where BB endorses the Don for president, despite the Don having blatantly insulted him in the past and basically confirming all of it except for the word "lethargic" even after the endorsement. Don't you too have the impression these goons are launching signals to each other about some kind of blackmail going on behind the scenes?
That said, the Don is quite a showman. He belongs to a gulag, but he will be in charge of entertainment for the other inmates there, no doubt!

 No.1835799

>>1835751
The reproductive interests of a bureaucracy can be brutal, and its demands absolutely boundless.

>>1835709
"Marxism" wasn't a thing until after Marx died either, but I'll give the son-in-law and his buddy half credit for trying.

>>1835770
_Donald Trump Changes Profession_ x _The Producers_ x _Half-Baked_ when?

 No.1835803

>>1835751
>He wrote: ā€œIs it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. The efforts of one country are enough for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie. This is what the history of our revolution tells us. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, especially a peasant country like ours, are not enough. For this we must have the efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries. Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution.ā€

So the ccp IS revisionist.

 No.1835809

>>1835799
>The reproductive interests of a bureaucracy can be brutal, and its demands absolutely boundless.

All bureaucracies are to a certain degree utopian, in the sense that they propose an abstract ideal that real human beings can never live up to.

After all, is this not what we always say of utopians: that they have a naĆÆve faith in the perfectibility of human nature and refuse to deal with humans as they actually are? Which is, are we not also told, what leads them to set impossible standards and then blame the individuals for not living up to them? But in fact all bureaucracies do this, insofar as they set demands they insist are reasonable, and then, on discovering that they are not reasonable (since a significant number of people will always be unable to perform as expected), conclude that the problem is not with the demands themselves but with the individual inadequacy of each particular human being who fails to live up to them.

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Snipers are now positioned at various large universities where demonstrations are occurring. I believe we are in what Marx referred to as "the Cool Zone"

 No.1835819

>>1835817
Kill all cops

 No.1835823

>>1835751
>>1835803
>>1835741
To be fair, I think Socialism in one country has shown itself to be capable of managing a country for several decades whereas most Socialists canā€™t even agree on how ā€œinternationalismā€ practically manifests itself.

In addition, the comments that Stalinism represents some dominance of the Bureaucracy over the workers is bit bizarre given how ā€œpureā€ Socialism as advocated by people whoā€™d call themselves ā€œanti-Stalinistsā€ isnā€™t even in the interests of the workers themselves. Like thatā€™s what makes the critique so silly. Any pretense that the interests of the bureaucrats arenā€™t aligned with that of the workers is undermined by the fact the workers arenā€™t ideological socialists in the same sense as anti Stalin leftists are.

 No.1835830

>>1835817
Fucking Christ are you serious man fuck cops bro this is insane so now they are going to snipe anyone who gets close.

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 No.1835833

Real quick, a bunch of SA trots are doing a takeover in my union. Should I vote for them?

 No.1835834

>>1835830
dog, having snipers at events has been standard for decades now

 No.1835836

>>1835831
The funny thing is they can and they will

 No.1835838

>>1835834
Fucking stupid if you ask me, ah yest we going to post snipers to "neutralize" the threat and not have the people hate you more by just offing people during protests. My point still Stands Fuck cops.

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>>1835834
Centuries

 No.1835840

>>1835834
>dog
I'm not your dog, cat.

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rules based order

 No.1835864

>>1835817
This is why rooftop access is so hard

 No.1835865

>>1835834
In France they do this too

 No.1835866

>>1835729
>gutless
I doubt that. His gut is pretty huge

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>>1835823
> by the fact the workers arenā€™t ideological socialists in the same sense as anti Stalin leftists are.

"Workers" as a group are not entitled to a certain ideology, but it would not be hard to assume that most of them are apolitical, and the ones who aren't are easily manipulated by reactionary propaganda to go against their own benefits.
It would not be also hard to assume that the latter is not the norm. As a class, the proletariat would chose for their own benefits, independent of their ideals. For example, any form of sectarism in trade unions or workers organizations in capitalist society, is just silly. The "social democrat" trade union will want better wages, restrictions to unsafe working conditions, more worker rights in general, etc.The same as any other left wing trade union, and even apolitical or right wing trade unions. Their main goal is still the same, but the methods and appearance differ. If the worker is given more "bureaucratic power" or a bigger share in the decision making of the socialist state, even if the voice of the worker is not socialist, as long as it doesn't undermine or pose a threat to the Union, then at least is a concession. And concessions and reforms have an appeal to make the masses more satisfied(Not that the Soviet Union under stalin was a bureaucratic dictatorship that undermine all workers voice, on the contrary). If there is such a thing as a conflict between the interests of the vanguard and the interests of certain group of workers, both parties can be reasonable in their demands and come into an agreement.

>In addition, the comments that Stalinism represents some dominance of the Bureaucracy over the workers is bit bizarre given how ā€œpureā€ Socialism as advocated by people whoā€™d call themselves ā€œanti-Stalinistsā€ isnā€™t even in the interests of the workers themselves.


Not too much related to Stalinism, but my biggest problem with them and the Soviet Union itself is that, as it seems, and correct me if i am wrong, there was no major educational effort to teach the workers how to manage the State in the future or to understand the major concepts of socialism and its strands.

From what i understand of Lenin, in the few pieces i read, the Soviet Union would undergo a period of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, guided by the vanguard party, not only to secure their survival and expand the means of production, undergo industrialization and autarky, but to ensure that the state would be in a constant stage of change and reform, where the divisions between "Vanguard" and "Worker" would decrease so much that there would be no need of a vanguard anymore, and the state would "wither away", reaching the "latter stage" of communism.

I am not a historian to really know or understand the history of the laws and methods of voting under the soviet union, so i am probably typing gibberish, but from what i heard in other threads, even the old Russian citizens anons know, most, if not all of them, could not explain what this "communism" was all about. Maybe as a result of Khrushchov more then Stalin or anyone else, but still. Of course , if given the opportunity, the vanguard can and probably should hold the monopoly of power to ensure the survival of the soviet state. That doesn't mean that is "impossible" to hold a "controlled opposition" (China probably the best example of this) to give some concessions and a sense of control and independence.

Post too long, i don't know what i meant by any of that

 No.1835885

>>1835751
>In April 1924, in the first edition of his book Foundations of Leninism
<ā€œIs it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not.
FINAL. As in the entire world is socialist. Obviously not one country can achieve this by itself.
>And by November 1926, Stalin had completely revised history
<the victory of socialism ā€¦ can be accomplished with the forces of a single country
He didn't "revise history" at all. Notice how there is no "final" in front of the phrase "victory of socialism" in his 1926 statement?

In the first statement he is saying not one socialist country can achieve world socialism. In the second he is saying a single country can become socialist. That isn't contradictory.

Trots, why do you keep doing this type of misrepresentation of Stalin? It feels slimy. Trotsky lost almost 100 years ago. Let it go.

 No.1835890

>>1835877 (me)
The main task of a "vanguard ML party" after the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat could be, not only destroy the bourgeoisie and pety-bourgeoisie elements of society and ensure the survival of the dictatorship of the working class, but guide and teach the working class how become self reliant, create class consciousness and permit more and more direct participation in the decisions of the state.
Of course, is also possible that the vanguard did not achieve many of those points because there was no way they could accomplish those objectives. It is just concerning to me that any leader or politician that i know from the soviet union imagined or thought they were certainly close to achieving communism, or that the state would "wither away" any time soon. I don't know if the thought of communism being achieved in their lifetimes was mentioned, or that in a certain year the first stages of communism would be established.

I will go and have an even more ""RadLib"" opoinione. Even though the vanguard party system of the Soviet Union worked and will keep working in the future, that doesn't exclude the possibility of the vanguard being less the "center of power" for other future worker states. Of course we should fully support the Soviet Union, and most of the "critiques" made accusing the Soviet State of being a dictatorship of the bureaucratic class are mostly bullshit, that doesn't mean that the "soviet model" is the "best one", or the "only one". Does this smell like revisinionism?

 No.1835892

if dubs then joe brandon or doydeld teyetsemer will bring back the draft to fight in israel to maintain the dying burger reich

 No.1835893

>>1835885
If a single country can achieve socialism, can a single country achieve communism? Not a trotsky, never read him, like i never read anything.

 No.1835900

>>1835729
I loathe the fact that he's absolutely hilarious

 No.1835906

>>1835893
>can a single country achieve communism?
Theoretically if a country has all the resources necessary to be self sufficient it could, but it would be temporary. Capitalist countries could directly invade or sabotage them and there could be no real response because there is no state in communism. If there is no state then there would be no real military organization or internal defense.

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>>1835906
> If there is no state then there would be no real military organization or internal defense.

Nah, that is were we disagree, although i respect and understand your opinione. To avoid this contradiction, under communism everyone would have military training and modern weapons. If Porkie thinks that the workers of this communist state are weak and vulnerable and disorganized, only another part of the "jungle" of uncivilized nations, then they should have another thing coming their way.

Every soldier is a farmer
Comes the evening, he grabs his hoe
Comes the morning, he swings his rifle on his shoulder
That's the army of Uncle Ho

 No.1835910

>>1835472
>Steven Cheung
Imagine being AsAm and being a diehard for either party.
Both parties will throw you in a camp.

 No.1835922

>>1835909
>To avoid this contradiction, under communism everyone would have military training and modern weapons.
Giving everyone basic military training is good and I agree that making a socialist military as flat as possible is good in itself. But the complex nature of modern weaponry would still need many specialists. Could you train everyone to be fighter pilots, transport drivers, tank drivers, bombers artillerymen, shock-troops, special forces, sailors submariners, missile operators, etc? How do you coordinate all those forces without a state?

Most importantly, who is in charge of the Nukes?

 No.1835923

>>1835909
>>1835906 (me)

It would be, of course, too much to try and convince people that the state should not exist. It would be almost impossible to convince the proletariat of such an idea, specially since history shows us the state is not going anywhere any time soon, much on the contrary.
Still, in the eyes of the worker, who doesn't know any better, he may believe in reactionary propaganda and think that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" doesn't have his best interests in mind. To attract those workers, reformism and political manipulation could be necessary to avoid thoughts of any real change, and specially any real reactionary change, to a future worker state. If is basically impossible to change the bases, the material conditions of economic relations, if there is still the need of the state as the monopoly of violence, the holder of bureaucratic decisions, the responsible to colect and distribute the surplus value of the working class to allocate towards anything that is necessary for the survival of the state, then, at least, there can be hopes of the worker to change the superstructure. If there is no way he can decide or controll the bases, his focus can be guided to changing the superstructure (Everything not related to production)

>>1835922
>Most importantly, who is in charge of the Nukes?

I don't have a clue man

 No.1835927

>>1835922
I leave the logistics of how the world would be without a state to the scientists, not people like me. Still, experiments and education should be made to make us closer to communism and make the line between "bureaucrats" and "workers" more obsolete in a constant state of evolution, in simpler terms

 No.1835930

>>1835922
The details for this have to be worked out through practice. We can hypothesize and prepare, but the realities about what logistical measures work best are going to filter what the actual solution is. One thing to consider is that the specialist branches of modern capitalist militaries are built on the foundation of a huge military industrial complex. This is something that socialism, let alone communism, is not that likely to have. It's also worth noting that the problems a socialist military has to solve are often different, since they are not engaging in imperialism or neocolonialism, and the main purpose is resistance against siege warfare by capitalist powers. It's a mistake to begin from the question of "how do we replicate what capitalist militaries do?" rather than "how do we organize to solve the problems relevant to the defense of socialism?"

 No.1835932

>>1835930
>The details for this have to be worked out through practice. We can hypothesize and prepare, but the realities about what logistical measures work best are going to filter what the actual solution is.
> It's a mistake to begin from the question of "how do we replicate what capitalist militaries do?" rather than "how do we organize to solve the problems relevant to the defense of socialism?"

Agreed

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>>1835877
>"Workers" as a group are not entitled to a certain ideology, but it would not be hard to assume that most of them are apolitical, and the ones who aren't are easily manipulated by reactionary propaganda to go against their own benefits.

When you say they can be made to go against their own benefits, who is the "they" you speak of? Because I think this is a really important disconnect in a lot of modern Leftist discourse: workers as actual people versus workers as a symbol, or totem, or an abstract category that aligns perfectly with one's own ideology. Like if you were to present the idea of "Socialism in One Country" by an advocate of it to a worker, and the idea of, iunno, Trotsky's "Permanent Revolution" by a Trotskyist to him, I think the worker would side with Socialism in One Country. Like the Soviet workers were human just like me, I don't think they were going to bed each night thinking "Man! I can't wait to save American workers from Capitalism!"

There was a post I saw on here ages ago, that I reference as an example of naive internationalism all the time. Someone said something like "what if we can bring the revolution to America by having third world militias invade the country?" Which is just fucking absurd to me. Beyond the low chance of them beating America's own military, the population itself would rise against them. It's human to not want a foreigner shooting at your apparent countrymen and reordering your government for you. As cheesy as it is; in any scenario where the Soviets invaded America without plunging the world into nuclear holocaust, they'd face a huge partisan campaign against them from the common people. It's not like they'd turn off all the nationalist propaganda and suddenly American workers will greet them as liberators. You only need to look at what happened to the Soviet Bloc to see how resilient a kind of "national sentiment" can be.

I believe most Soviets likely had a view on politics similar to most Americans. Every now and again my buddies, even my right wing ones, would say they'd love to chat with figures like Putin or Xi just to learn how they see the world. Either that, or some vague "I wish we could be friends with Russia/China" stuff. I don't think the average worker was chomping at the bit to "liberate" foreign countries or stick their nose where they didn't belong. Assist existing resistance movements, sure, but not start a revolution whole cloth.

>Not too much related to Stalinism, but my biggest problem with them and the Soviet Union itself is that, as it seems, and correct me if i am wrong, there was no major educational effort to teach the workers how to manage the State in the future or to understand the major concepts of socialism and its strands.


I think that's a perfectly valid criticism of the USSR. I'd also say that part of the robustness of Capitalist Republics was that workers could have at least the illusion of being brought into the political system, if not being brought into it in fact. I discussed this here:
>>1835008

Sadly the greentext botspam kind of smothered it. But people shouldn't underestimate the feeling of attachment that can be fostered by Republican forms of government. It's what makes comparing Bolshevik attitudes to the Russian Empire vis-a-vis the modern American Republic silly. You can say "Down with the King" and even with all the propaganda you've been raised with, you're essentially just targeting a man and turning him into a scapegoat for all your issues. In a Republican government saying "Down with the Nation" gives off the same energy as the League of German Jews huffing "Down with us!"

That aside I'd also say Marxism-Leninism does have an issue with trending towards excessive dogmatism.

 No.1835941

Will the TikTok ban mean anything for other countries? I heard it extends to companies like Google and Apple (since they're American), so will they pull it off their app stores internationally or only in the US?

 No.1835945

So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests? Really sells the whole we don't live in a democracy and Biden and the dems are full of shit for saying they are protecting this country from fascism.

 No.1835952

>>1835940
>When you say they can be made to go against their own benefits, who is the "they" you speak of?

The people of the nation state of said workers. Workers of a nation can have lots in common between one another then workers of another nation. Of course, the most close the discourse can get to workers reality and understanding of the world the better. So i can't really criticize the "socialist in one country" line of thought. But also, in broader terms, the workers of the world, creators of capital, that have the value of their work taken by the bourgeoisie, holders of the means of production.
In the part of "going against their own benefits", basically material benefits, material power. They can voluntarily give up their power if convinced to do so, if they believe is a small temporarily setback, or if they see this as an investment in the hypothetical future.

>You only need to look at what happened to the Soviet Bloc to see how resilient a kind of "national sentiment" can be.

>But people shouldn't underestimate the feeling of attachment that can be fostered by Republican forms of government. It's what makes comparing Bolshevik attitudes to the Russian Empire vis-a-vis the modern American Republic silly. You can say "Down with the King" and even with all the propaganda you've been raised with, you're essentially just targeting a man and turning him into a scapegoat for all your issues. In a Republican government saying "Down with the Nation" gives off the same energy as the League of German Jews huffing "Down with us!"

That is an example when nationalism can be problematic, even in socialist society. It can quickly devolve into reactionary thought, an facade to instigate reactionary thoughts and CIA opperations.
I could not say if i would agree with "accelerationists", that the contradictions shall become so big that the hypocrisy of the system will be clearer then day, to the point it becomes undeniable the imperialist character of the US and Europe, and that it is not Russia or China that are the ""enemies"" of the US people. So, if rn the worker is still a firm believer in capitalism and liberalism, if he still believes that he doesn't live in a cop dictatorship, if he still believes that things will change if this or that candidate becomes elected, what we can do is organize, create class consciousness, etc. Unfortunally, there is little more i can think of, if the "base", the material conditions, can't be radically changed, then doing what is being done in the US, going to the Free palestine protests in the universitys, occupy wall streets, might be the most realistical and straightforward method of resistance. The ideals of the present might turn into past, at least that is what i hope. I should read and try to write more, but mom is calling me to sleep, goodby guys

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>>1835552
>CPUSAnonā€¦.
>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boys

Wanted to devote a separate post to this just 'cause it's an interesting point to discuss. So personally I'd say that, especially among older generations, there was a heavy propaganda against labor unions directed predominantly towards White people, including White workers. I can only speak to my own experiences but I imagine maybe some other White people have experienced the same.

So often enough I'll get people asking about working at Trader Joe's, and I try to be as upfront as I can (while still trying to keep my job). You know they'll say "Everyone always seems so happy here!" or "They must treat you pretty well!" And, as far as grocery stores go, they do. I usually explain our management is really nice (most of the time), the pay is good (comparatively), and the benefits are really good too (free gym membership, health insurance, matching money that goes towards your retirement, chiropractic and acupuncture, etc). And while most of the time you'll hear folks say "Wow! That sounds great!" Every now and again, usually among older white folks, they'll do the following:
>"And you aren't in a Union, right?"
<"Nope."
>"That's so good, glad to hear it."
Of course the reality is that Trader Joe's treats us well in hopes that we don't form labor unions, so we likely wouldn't get paid as much if there weren't grocery store unions advocating for higher wages and better working conditions in other grocery stores. Regardless, among older White people, you've got this idea of "Unions as a waste of money."

Now why is that? I think the culture around Unionization has gone through at least three different epochs. In the earliest one, you had Unions as a threat to civilization or the social order (from which we get some fun propaganda like socialists being portrayed as homeless skeletons). Then under FDR you saw the rise of business unionism or maybe something that can be described as more of an American corporatism
>"Hey! Bosses and workers interests are aligned! And sure your boss makes more, but you can get some great benefits, too! And if you want you can work hard and make it to management!"
It was this idea of labor and management existing in a symbiotic relationship. If you read any Fascist literature this should sound familiar. No doubt we took extensive notes when we defeated and "rehabilitated" our Fascist enemies.

What we're living in right now is the tail end of the "neoliberal" era of anti-union propaganda. If you've never seen the movie Wall Street (1987) you've likely still heard its iconic line: "Greed is good!"

To get into specifics, the neoliberals with the help of ghouls like the Reagan administration and the business community, went on a propaganda spree blaming the various economic woes the country suffered on labor unions in particular. There was this image that Unions were creating "inefficiency" that was keeping people from doing productive work. I sometimes hear variations of this from folks who've worked on movie sets; "The lights are handled by the industrial lighting union, I'm a boom mic operator, so if I just plug a cord into a socket I could get fined!" You had this image of Unions enabling the laziest, most unproductive employees to sit around all day doing nothing, while the "good" and "hardworking" employees are faced with increasingly demanding workloads they can't manage on their own. Not helping things were some pretty bad corruption scandals; funds would be misappropriated by corrupt union leadership, and you've got this image of the local union boss being some fast talking huckster who wants you to pay your dues just so he can buy himself another sports car.

I know some people will respond to the claim that Unions were enabling "lazy" workers with "who cares?" But I know I'm not alone in saying that when you've got a coworker who seems too lazy to do anything it can really piss off the rest of the employees. It's not even a race thing. I've worked with quite a few Hispanic women who huffed and yelled at people they felt weren't doing anything. Just the other day one of my coworkers, a black woman, was complaining about another; that she's busting her ass and she doesn't see *that* girl ever work 'till she sweats. In my case we had a coworker ages ago who'd take long breaks on the clock, and if you asked her to do *anything* she'd roll her eyes and do a half-assed job. I was managing the register during a particularly busy day, we were shorthanded, and some clutz broke a bottle of wine. I call for help, and one of our lazy coworkers comes up. I ask her if she can take care of the spill. She strolls off then comes back a few minutes later to drop a couple of sheets of paper towel on this huge puddle of wine. There were still shards of glass people could get cut on, and she went right back to arranging flowers. I call for help again, and she answers again, and I ask her to *please* clean up the glass and the puddle. She goes back in a huff, gets a broom, sweeps up the biggest pieces of glass, and leaves a puddle there.

Look, when I go into work I just want a normal day. I'm not asking people to give 110%, fuck that, but the last thing I want to deal with is the headache of some dumbass slipping over wine onto a bunch of glass, then having to talk to the cops and explain why we didn't have so much as wet floor sign in our store. A shitty coworker makes things worse for everyone involved.

So all this anti-union agitation found fertile ground among White boomers in particular. You're raised with this idea of "thrift" or "hard work" as a virtue. You see someone who's just lazing about but can't be fired because of union protections. All the while you're waiting an hour for the right union guy to come around and do a simple task so you can actually do your job. Finally, some fast-talking dick with slicked-back hair is trying to pressure you into signing a shitty contract and paying $300 in union dues, and you're half-sure he's on cocaine. He sure as fuck isn't advocating for your interests, though.

One example I experienced recently was shopping in Vons, which actually has a Union contract. We're opening up a new Trader Joe's not far from where that Vons is, and a bunch of the employees I know there were talking about how excited they were to finally have a nearby TJs. I off-handedly mention: hey, if you all ever want to work there I mean we'd be happy to poach talent (in my defense I get pestered by employees from other grocery stores begging us to vouch for them so they can get hired.)

One of them, the older one, mentions they have this clause in their Union contract where they lose their retirement benefits if they work for another grocery store. Blew my fucking mind. As far as I know, once you put money into your retirement account at TJs it stays with you, even if you go to a different job. Vons is out here making cashiers sign goddamn non-compete clauses. I don't know anything about their union leadership, but something about that just seems insane.

So as a late Millennial White guy, you get raised hearing some casual anti-union talk. "Oh the Union wouldn't help me when I needed it, but they sure kept Karen the Cashier from ever having to work!" And it almost transcends "normie" politics. I've got a few coworkers and friends who worked at other stores becoming to TJs and a lot of the time I hear Union talk met with "Yeah, the Union never did anything to help me. Really made sure I would cough up my dues, though." One of them mentioned they had a manager that was essentially bullying them, fucking with their hours and the like, and the only thing the Union would tell him were that their hands were tied.

That's the impression that I think a lot of White people have taken away from the Union movement of the past. It wasn't something they felt like they were "a part of" or in any way "representative" of them. They imagined it as a bloated bureaucracy that passively took their money while enabling some shitty behavior. Now most of the jobs that we'd associate with labor unions aren't commonly worked by White people these days (consequences of us hollowing out our industrial capacity) and those that remain appear to have the same problems associated with historical labor unions here: corruption, bureaucratic bloat, business unionism, etcetera.

 No.1835964

>>1835740
The core of a lot of online ML discourse when you get down to it

 No.1835966

>>1835450
>>1835466
>>1835446
he's innocent, lapd is racist asf, try again

 No.1835974

>>1835927
The bureaucrat's power comes from secrecy and theater. Their power level goes up with information management, image mangement, and domination of practices; it seems like prudent revolutionary praxis to rend that veil whenever it is within slashing distance, and refuse to construe their special-ness in social relations.

>>1835960
Taft-Hartley made unionizing basically pointless in the USA, by design. So, with the material basis of the factory siege slipping away on a container ship, and the social well of labor unionism so tainted, what is the concept of the next program?

 No.1835976

>>1835940
>Someone said something like "what if we can bring the revolution to America by having third world militias invade the country?"
Ah, the JDPON. I'm sort of content neutral about that… like on the one hand it seems like a surreal dystopian comic book fantasy, and quite possibly an attempt to tell firsties like us that we don't have it so bad, so we can just… wait around and do nothing with our thumbs up our buttholes? While we're being exploited too? Doesn't seem Marxist to me. But if the JDPON forms their army of billions on the Mexican border, if it EVER got that bad, the U.S. empire would be clearly finished anyways so you might as well start feeding the JDPON coordinates on U.S. Army position and then say "thank you" when they throw our collective white labor aristocratic bodies in a mass grave.

Of course, from what I remember about old Shubel Morgan MTW internet memes, a lot of them were made by a Dutch trance DJ, who would make for an interesting supreme commander.

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>>1835945
>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?
Probably and I am 100% pro-free speech here but I saw the cops beating up students in Texas and Georgia and I smell Republican fuckery. Saw an Emory econ professor get brutally taken down today. Republican governors like Greg Abbott sending out their state pigs to beat up students, then trying to direct the anger at Biden while Trump fires up his base into a right-wing backlash to elect him to CRUSH the Hamas terrorists who have taken over the colleges. Calling the play. Watch this space.

 No.1835984

>>1835945
>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?
Student protests aren't proletarian protests.

>Really sells the whole we don't live in a democracy

Ah yes the communist goal of wanting 'REAL democracy'.

 No.1835985

is there a site that aggregates American union related news like LabourWatch.com does for Klanada

 No.1835986

>>1835985
labornotes.org
paydayreport.com

 No.1835988

>>1835986
thanks!

 No.1835990

>>1835988
yw ilu <3

 No.1835995

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PUUUSH!!

 No.1835997

>>1835984
Bordiga is that you?

 No.1836005

>>1835984
students are inherently reactionary and retarded

 No.1836022

>>1835976
I'll admit Escape from L.A. has a special place in my heart. Cheesy as fuck. I love it.

That aside in regards to us waiting around while the third world revolutionaries do all the heavy lifting, I see some kind of perverse psychology in it. Like trying to prove you're so aligned with third world liberation movements you'll support them invading America and shit, but really they're just dying for your revolution. Or to fulfill your desire of cosmic justice. Like I can guarantee even the most anti-American third world revolutionary probably doesn't want to waste time fighting on American soil or risk his life for the cause of literally destroying America.

It's like some weird BDSM relationship. Where, sure, the Sadist is ostensibly the one "on top" in the relationship, but often it's the Masochist, the bottom, who's cynically using the sadist to fulfill their own perverse desires.

 No.1836032

Is anyone participating in protests at school? Can you tell me what's going on?

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>>1836022
Topping from the bottom is liberatory, actually

 No.1836041

>>1836038
Man every academic paper coming out of a sociology department is titled like ā€œthe liberatory/revolutionary power of queer acrobaticsā€ or something. I donā€™t even know what ā€œqueerā€ means but itā€™s slapped on more shit than ā€œgluten freeā€ these days.

That aside it just seems more socially acceptable to be a masochist than a sadist. Everyone is all ā€œstep on me mommyā€ or ā€œI want to be choked by themā€ but if you say ā€œI want to choke someoneā€ people think youā€™re crazy.

 No.1836045

>>1836041
>Sexualizing theology in perverse ways helps de-clinicalize sex and eroticism. AlthausReid began this work by using a liberationist framework and exposing the poverty of
sexuality in liberation theology. By addressing power as a productive feature of becoming that is central to dominance and submission, there is an epistemological rupture that
must be acknowledged. That rupture is recognizing the submissive as one with inherent
power and the move to submission by the dominant. When the Centre and institutions are
stabilized as sadists, requiring at times non-consensual reception of submission and pain
from bottoms, the masochism that proliferates is an unproductive masochism that results
in further colonization of marginalized bodies.
Important here is the very intentional effort to decolonize erotics by privileging the
role of the power bottom. Queer sex is one such practice that remains taboo and unacknowledged by those who think about sexual theologies. In thinking about decolonial
efforts relative to sex and erotics, we must also think about marginalized bodies and how
the logic of dominance, often expressed by the sadist institution/the Centre, affects these
bodies. When the imperial framework of traditional D/s is decolonized and the s is
encouraged to become S, the D, also always becoming with the S, submits to those pieces
of the S that are most vulnerable to marginalization. Seen most clearly in the mƶbius strip
that topographically is always single-sided and always doubling, the becoming of the
queer D/S engagement, framed by a queerness that supports an eschatological vision,
initiates new contours of justice-making in the positivity of a queer relationality that
becomes part of the queer revolution that is rooted in the potential of becoming.

 No.1836046

>>1835817
uyghas see this shit and still say that america isn't a dictatorship (of capital).

 No.1836049

>>1836041
what if you want to choke and be choked?

 No.1836051

>>1836049
Then you are a switch. Just don't worry about it, it's fine.

 No.1836052

>>1836041
>I donā€™t even know what ā€œqueerā€ means
Queer just means LGBT+(alphabet soup) but more elegant, it's also a reclaimed slur.

 No.1836062

>>1835909
>under communism everyone would have nukes and be a double agent

 No.1836064

American cops brutalizing universities in defense of genocide while it prepares for war with China and passes sweeping legislation that explicitly censors mass media for those reasons. In response the democrat posts wojacks of the president eating icecream with sunglases or having laser eyes or whatever.

 No.1836085

>>1836041
The title of that one is kind of thick, I agree, but labor theories of value tend to generate make-work, in a competitive society that much worse to bear. So a one or two page idea inflates to 20. That paper comes down to how the power bottom defuses and demystifies power by conditioning themselves to a different relation to the subjection to ordeal. By not faithfully playing the whole role of the submissive, by remaining unbowed, one subverts the power relation at a deeper level of indecency or disrespect, which is good for the worker's soul IMO. Marx didn't want no simps in his proletariat.
Engels seemed to venture that the dissolution of gender dependence structures over long historical time would appear as a loosening of relationship ties, and a shift in gender power back toward women, who have the pussy and will therefore make the rules. The effect is especially evident in the Nordic welfare states and in Soviet Russia as women were freed from dependency on reproductive partnership to meet their life needs, and to a lesser degree in the several societies whose fertility dropped as women achieved access to other economic options (a mixed blessing for all involved tbh).
There is a slightly hidden gender twist in BDSM roles: the niche community of female dominants and male submissives, roughly 5-10% of kinksters, have a relatively anti-sexual ethos compared to male doms, female subs, or any switches. Professional dominants have historically hegemonized the production of that sub-subculture, driving its ethic toward high style, low intimacy, and a sexual ethic compatible with acts that could be more or less legal in commercial contexts. So they shaped male enthusiasts' expectations toward ideals that are unreasonable, unsustainable, and somewhat self-defeating in a long-term relationship context.
Not coincidentally, the new femdom is much more sex-positive and spectacle-skeptical, and a more realistic organizing principle for a long-term relationship than the latex pet fantasies on the clip sites. Its practitioners reject that professional hegemony for a living theory of relationship production. It often emphasizes practices such as anticipatory service and personal intimacy, as opposed to the strict obedience and showy theatrics. Some characteristic kinks in the new femdom include sexual helplessness, ear cleaning, male chastity devices, and utterly degenerate handholding. I know, right? But I've met a couple in the wild who dropped fairly explicit hints about their commitments to this dynamic.
Intuitively, I think this new femdom may entail one moment of a general trend away from professionalism as well as those forces Engels identified, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Real minority opinion, I do think a material power balance in favor of women is evident as their economic dependency crumbles away, and that new femdom might offer worthwhile insights into or even sketches of the future of socialist social relations.
/rant
>it just seems more socially acceptable to be a masochist than a sadist
In general society, sure, because vulnerability makes people more exploitable, and exploitability is after all the name of the capitalist game. Inside the community, a skilled, sane top is dearly sought after, especially a good woman top.
Because the state generally refuses to guarantee practices that do not result in its own reproduction, intent is an important safety consideration in alternative lifestyle relations. Wanting to choke someone can be problematic, because (ideology disregarded) it's actually quite dangerous and can easily end poorly many hours after the session even under the best mitigations. Wanting to enjoy someone's reactions when they are being consensually subjected to some unaccustomed stimuli, however, is seen as somewhat distinguished, and that perspective offers more room for personal and practical accommodation to fit one's skill and taste and still get the reaction you're looking for ā€” for example, hand over mouth, while still not safe enough to uncritically recommend, might deliver the effects that all parties to an encounter desire.

 No.1836090

File: 1714121074743.mp4 (3.4 MB, 480x848, go back to poland.mp4)

Which one of you mad lads was this?

 No.1836091

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>>1836045
>>1836085
Y'know this is all well and gun, but as someone who's spent most of his childhood essentially being raised by Catholic institutions I can safely say I don't understand any of it and I'll continue sublimating my libido into exercise and random hyperfixations.

 No.1836093

>>1836090
fuck off

 No.1836110

>>1836032
I am not in the US, but members of my organization are protesting at their universities. There's generally a good response, and an opportunity to teach people how we, on the other side of the world, still have the power to disrupt university ties, weapons manufacture, trade, funding and more.

 No.1836111

>>1836051
how dare you say that! they want to choke people!

 No.1836116

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>>1835945
Hey remember that time the National Guard shot anti-draft protesters at Kent State?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_massacre

 No.1836117

Ah scratch that, some pope already made the reference: >>1835847

 No.1836120

>>1835817
RIP laserretard, they would have known how to handle this on a budget

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 No.1836127

>>1835552
Daily reminder that Sakai might be wrong about his analysis, but he was right about white peoples having problems.

 No.1836130

>>1835833
Yeah. Of course.

 No.1836135

>>1835984
>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?
Doubtful. They'll be back simping for Biden in a couple months after Trump wins the republican nomination

 No.1836163

>>1836022
You just described Contrarian Anon to a T

 No.1836177

>>1836110 šŸ‘ļø

 No.1836179

>>1835624
Was kinda the case in the 90s though in the broader context of Nanna having a medical condition that's not getting treated either way
Now though we're waaaaaaay past the fucking krispy kreme as a consolation though
Now its Nanna's house is get burned down either way for
>muh economy
or some shit but the republicans want to rape Nanna before burning her house down.

 No.1836181

>>1836135
For me the test is simple. Will these student protests, and their supposed influence, endure or repeat once the compradors queue up to sign "normalization accords" with Israel and some bullshit "peace" is reached? When the political will of the USA is to leave the matter of Israel settled and it's no longer election season? Once the MSM closes the faucet of morbidity regarding Palestinians?

I think not. Their power is 100% what the media wants to give them.

 No.1836190

>>1836135
>>1836181
Biden has repeatedly shown he's a raging Zionist and will not stop supporting Israel, same with the rest of the Dems. The chance of them changing their tune come November is low.

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>>1836181 (me)
But, simple test,

Where are the protests about Afghanistan or Sudan?, Ethiopia? The current African hunger? ? This an ongoing disaster that the USA is responsible for and continues aggravating. But no gore on TV so it can go on for as many years as it needs be.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/20/millions-close-to-hunger-after-wfp-cuts-food-aid-to-afghanistan

https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/afghanistan/afghanistan-humanitarian-update-february-2024
>Afghanistan continues to face a complex humanitarian crisis characterized by an array of challenges, ranging from the longterm effects of decades of war to protracted displacement, chronic underdevelopment, poverty and food insecurity to natural disasters and climate change. Despite a reduction in active hostilities, the country remains in dire need of assistance to address the pressing needs of the population.
>In 2024, an estimated 23.7 million people, including 5.9 million women and 5.4 million men, require humanitarian aid. To address these needs, humanitarian partners in Afghanistan released the 2024 Humanitarian Needs and Response Plan (HNRP) in December 2023 prioritizing life-saving assistance such as food aid, safe drinking water, healthcare, education and water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) assistance for the 17.3 million most vulnerable individuals. However, despite the scale and severity of needs now present, only US$238 million has been received towards the HNRP's requirements of $3.06 billion to date, representing just 7.8 per cent of overall resourcing. This severe funding gap jeopardizes the implementation of vital humanitarian interventions.

 No.1836203

>>1836090
>Thats a terrible thing to say
ROFLMAO

 No.1836206

>>1836192
It took nothing less than a genocide to mobilize liberals. You expect them to also mobilize for a famine? Unlikely.

 No.1836209

>>1835945
just wait til Trump wins in '24 and starts drafting the students to fight in the upcoming war and help israel fight iran

 No.1836229

File: 1714143232189.mp4 (813.28 KB, 496x636, IMG_8286.MP4)

>week 3 of pissing off every reformist liberal

 No.1836230

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>when I see someone over the age of 21 who actively devotes their time to trolling/trying to "trigger" people they don't like

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 No.1836290

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VTOE SUMPE

 No.1836292

>>1835552
>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boys
Labor aristocracy.

 No.1836301

>>1836190
But will they hold a grudge against Biden large enough for them to change their voting habits this November? I don't consider liberals radicalized if they still willingly participate in these meaningless elections

You just know Project 2025 is gonna be brought up constantly, and to liberals, that means Trump wants to genocide all trans and black ppl

 No.1836308

>>1836091
try 4chan dot org /lgbt/ for a couple of months/years to understand this gem

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>>1836206
liberals aren't mobilized and we've already been doing genocide in afghanistan. The famine is directly caused by US intervention. The occupation of Afghanistan saw food farms getting converted into poppy fields for opium. Then America unilaterally stole billions of Afghan public money and gave it to 9/11 victims' families even though Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. Afghans were selling their own kidneys to pay for food in 2022. Shit's bleak. As domestic food production in Afghanistan declined due to US occupation, international finance capital vultures like the IMF made sure to give Afghanistan predatory high interest loans to "save them" from the manmade crisis by making sure the already looted country is in permanent debt to the imperialists who invaded it.

 No.1836313

>>1835960
>some people will respond to the claim that Unions were enabling "lazy" workers with "who cares?"

cant stand when i see communists say this shit. it fucking sucks to have to pick up your coworkers slack and ESPECIALLY if youre open about your politics it affirms every stereotype about communists being unserious, selfish children to be like "lol thats the bosses problem XD" when it is clearly the problem of your coworkers picking up after you. obviously none of that is to say go above and beyond to be a "good worker" etc, just match the pace of everyone else

 No.1836314

>>1836292
No such thing.

 No.1836315

>>1836311
Meanwhile, Taliban building asia's largest canal with no help after just years of the yanks leaving.

The Qosh Tepa Canal is a canal being built in northern Afghanistan to divert water from the Amu Darya. The main canal is expected to be 285 km long and the overall initiative seeks to convert 550,000 hectares of desert into farmland. Wikipedia
Construction began: 2022
Length: 285 km (177 miles)

 No.1836323

>>1836314
denial

 No.1836332

>>1836315
waow, things get better when the hostile colonizing force bombing the country leaves?

 No.1836336

>>1836313
Most of the communists where I live are some of the laziest motherfuckers ever and the majority of them don't work full time.

 No.1836339

idk why the left has to tear each other down so much and why the right gases each other up so much either

 No.1836346

>>1836041
>ā€œthe liberatory/revolutionary power of queer acrobaticsā€
Hey, black drag queens in Harlem invented vogueing.

 No.1836348

>>1836339
right-wingers are constantly concerned with appearance, they do it to make themselves try to look better by proxy, it's also why they distance themselves from something that makes them look bad by proxy by trying to pin it on others or spin it as a falseflag. leftwingers are more concerned with getting a stable movement going so they put down other left-wingers that they think are hurting their cause.

 No.1836350

>>1836339
>idk why the left has to tear each other down so much
two words: class struggle

 No.1836356

>>1836116
>Eight of the shooters were charged with depriving the students of their civil rights, but were acquitted in a bench trial.
LOL

 No.1836359

>>1836116
I remember because I tell who says China bad because Tiananmen that USA bad because Kent

 No.1836361

another unrelated question, how come you never really see mass right-wing zoomer movements and protests in say universities or anything like that? There is certainly a lot of people on say leddit or 4chan who hates woke video games, but never makes a big protest about it.

 No.1836369

>>1836361
because they believe in voting with your wallet

 No.1836388

>>1836361
right-wing zoomers are psychological degenerates who have let social atomization rot their brain, so they talk themselves into thinking that memes and being irritating on the internet is praxis

 No.1836395

>>1836361
>mass right-wing zoomer movements and protests in say universities or anything like that?
That's an interesting question because it seemed like that used to be the case in Europe before the 1960s. Like "student riot" meant more like: students heading out to burn down the Communist Party headquarters. Seemed like a right-wing thing.

The universities are talked about to death in liberal and right-wing discourse. It's a weird situation because the rightists complain all the time about the universities adopting a social justice mission, which the students might reflect and then take literally, but that places the administrations in a bind because the admins' actual goal is to get their parents to pay high fees so they can get a degree and become tax-paying, compatible corporate consultants. Then the admins go to the donors, who are far more conservative, and explain that the social justice stuff makes the university look good and not to worry – but it turns out many students and faculty members actually believe in it. Like, what the students are doing by confronting the university administrators is flipping their own language around on them, like confronting the Tsar with demands while holding up portraits of the Tsar, who then sends out the troops to shoot the protesters.

 No.1836450

>>1836127
Sakai is just an alias for whoever the fed who wrote Settlers is.

>>1836163
Dunno who contrarian anon is, but I just find an irony in Third Worldists ostensibly touting how much they respect/sympathize with third worldist revolutionaries while simultaneously demanding those same revolutionaries put their lives on the line for them and the people they deem "irredeemable"

 No.1836461

>>1836450
America has no salvation from outside, specially from third world countries. If you are a real believer in third worldism, you should leave the burger reich before its too late. The American working class will liberate themselves, but while they dont do the revolution, there is more and more reasons to just leave to not pay infinite debt repayment for university and medical Care, repayment that goes to funding Israel and Ukraine.

 No.1836469

>>1836361
>how come you never really see mass right-wing zoomer movements and protests in say universities or anything like that?
Capitalism and Christianity is enforced and protected by the state already. Any "white" identity protest would get them ostracized. Most other cultural issues are too diffuse.
>hates woke video games, but never makes a big protest about it.
They can't publicly demand less black people in videogames so the main thing left is demanding more sexy women. And that would look ridiculous on it's face.
Plus everyone has their own standards on what counts as sexy or what is appropriate in videogames so they wouldn't be able to agree on anything anyway. Just look at any woman centered bait thread on /v/, it's pretty funny.

 No.1836496

>>1836461
I mean thatā€™s the other thing, if youā€™re an honest third worldists touting how much of a ā€œtrue revolutionaryā€ compared to everyone else, I donā€™t see why you arenā€™t going overseas. Join the Naxalists. Or the Philippino Maoists, or some other third world revolutionary group.

Donā€™t say itā€™s a matter of means, because itā€™s entirely possible in the modern day to learn Hindi or Tagalog or any other major language. You can sell your possessions and buy a plane ticket and fight the revolution overseas.

Oh but let me guessā€”ā€œitā€™s the job of communists in the imperial core to oppose it from the inside!ā€ Well you guys arenā€™t even doing that. Thereā€™s arms factories you could be blowing up if you actually believed in that shit, itā€™d take even less work than learning a new language, hypothetically speaking.

And itā€™s especially funny to me because in my studying Fascism Iā€™ve learned that Casapound has sent militants to train with Azov and Hezbollah. So at this point literal Fascists have better international credentials than third worldists in the west. Shit, do international Maoist groups even bother trying to recruit or build ties with western third worldists? Beyond just sending them a letter now and again? Because I think the awful truth that a lot of western Third Worldists donā€™t want to admit is that if youā€™re so useless in your own country, youā€™re not going to find some ā€œuseā€ overseas. You arenā€™t Walter White proving some White Highschool chemistry teacher can make better meth than guys whoā€™ve been doing it for decades. Third Worldists are bringing nothing to the tableā€”not even ā€œopposing the empire from the insideā€ in some meaningful sense. Theyā€™re just the embodiment of Homer Simpsonā€™s campaign slogan:
>ā€œCant somebody else do it?!ā€

 No.1836498

>>1836461
>just leave the country
yep its that easy bro

 No.1836501

>>1836450
That weird haz-brained schizoposter who drops into this thread with belligerent contrarian takes so hot you can smell the "PLEASE FUCK ME FOR BEING THE EDGIEST BOY" energy wafting off them with the same identifiable illiterate-bad faith posting style

Probably the author of such hits as

>you don't like either candidate you're actually a Biden apologist and Trump is secretly based because [insert decontextualized stats here]

>Putin is a Marxist-Leninist
>Millennials are all bourgeois and zoomers are all proletarian because I don't understand the difference between wealth and capital
>structural critique is bullshit, conspiracy tinfoil takes are true knowledge

etc

 No.1836503

>>1836498
Living in the US today, while being a believer that only the third world has hopes of achieving socialism, is basically living in 1939 germany, while being a believer in the soviet union.
The "left" is in danger. The US is not safe. Leave before is too late.
T. Not an American

 No.1836504

>>1836503
costs more than I make in a month, so I guess I'm fucked

 No.1836510

>>1836503
youd have to be fairly well off to not only leave a country (any country) but also keep the same living standards you have in your original country

 No.1836514

Not to be a doomer or anything, but does anyone else feel powerless, especially since you live in a fairly reactionary area? It's like nobody cares except the people actively making things worse.

 No.1836515

>>1836091
Your kink is OK

>>1836503
$2450 manumission fee

 No.1836519

>>1836514
I live in a fairly blue mid-size city (albeit a starkly class and income-divided one, I see ritzy new apartments barely three blocks from fucking slums) but nationally shit is looking bleak

 No.1836522

>>1836498
I mean it genuinely is if youā€™re determined to ā€œfight the revolution in the third worldā€ as TWists like to pretend they are. Get a passport, learn a language, buy a plane ticket, then go to where the Naxalists and Maoists are and say you want to join up. Promise to fight and, if necessary, die for them.

Itā€™s only hard if youā€™re trying to move so you can keep doing what youā€™re currently doing: posting on the internet. Maybe living in a comfy apartment. Going to work each day. Living the decadent first world life that you decry.

I was listening to a podcast with Prof. Mearsheimer on it. And he had this aside where he said that he believes Nationalism is the most powerful ideology on earth currently. He says that during the Cold War, Communism used to be powerful, but its ideological power declined with the fall of the USSR. And all evidence seems to suggest heā€™s right. Israel and Gaza go to war and suddenly youā€™ve got a bunch of right wing Jews going overseas to join the IDF. The fucking New Zealand mosque shooter went to Ukraine to train with Azov. If TWists want to define themselves by how international they are, then the fact they keep proving themselves less capable of internationalism than literal Fascists should completely discredit their beliefs.

 No.1836531

>>1836522
Sometimes I sincerely think that, in reaction to all this, as we hurtle further and further towards the cyberpunk dystopia that every techbro missed the point of, the counter-culture of the future will reject identity. Not identity politics, *identity.* They'll resent being told to hinge their entire sense of being on a particular civic, gendered or ethnic attribute of themselves, and the cry of the youth in the future will be an angry, violent "Don't you EVER fucking tell me what I am, fucker!"

would be kind of based if that happened ngl

 No.1836554

>>1836522
I saw more in /leftypol/ more mexican nazis going to fight for Ukraine then international brigades fighting for Palestine or Russia

 No.1836557

>>1836531
It appears they are already doing so, to a certain extent, especially where there are risks to being associated with a movement or scene. To reject identity would imply the end of politics qua method of establishing answers to questions of general classification. That might take history itself with it.

that would be based enough to merit a side quest

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>>1836557
>mfw Crimethinc wound up being right the whole time

 No.1836564

>>1836519
I guess my question is what the hell do I do? There's like one, maybe a few progressive organizations and the DSA, but they don't seem incredibly active.

 No.1836565

>>1836564
(shrug) your guess is as good as mine

 No.1836574

> Aaron Sorkin is writing a movie about January 6. Described as a quasi-sequel to ā€˜The Social Networkā€™ that follows the rise of misinformation-for-profit online that may have led to January 6.
praying for a trump victory purely so this film will be banned as "anti-american propaganda" by his regime

 No.1836578

>>1836522
This has that "If u don't like america, then move to China u filthy rat" energy

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> Sniper on the roof of the IMU.
lmao jesus christ

 No.1836606

>>1833859
trying to dress up pro child labor and anti healthcare views in marxist jargon is p funny bit ngl

 No.1836610

>>1836606
I can tell you've never read Marx.

 No.1836611

>>1833919
>international Jewry
go back

 No.1836612

>>1836610
I can tell your annoying dickhead who will never understand Marx kys

 No.1836620

>>1835006
I have already seen these ppl claim palestine was just idpol lmao

 No.1836621

>>1836590
Although I guess they could be used to kill protestors, I read that snipers in big gathering is SOP in the US, not to repress people but to stop gunmen trying to do mass shootings, so maybe it's not that unreasonable.

 No.1836629

>>1836531
>>1836557
You are either a worker slave or a capitalist master. All culture and identity shit is cope.

 No.1836632

>>1836629
The cope has a material existence thoughever

 No.1836633

Just going with the vibes on this one.

 No.1836638

>>1836612
Don't get mad, but Marx was child-labor pilled.
<A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.

 No.1836639

>>1836633
I wish these people feared for their lives.

 No.1836640

>>1836638
He was wrong.

 No.1836644

>>1836640
Why? You have to keep in mind that Marx was talking about actual children working in factories, not adolescents working in retirement homes.

 No.1836645

>>1836644
Large scale industry exists and general child labor is prohibited in all the developed countries so yeah he was wrong in saying it would be impossible, although you could argue that the global supply chain relies on children working the mines to feed that industry.

 No.1836647

>>1836578
See the difference is your average communist wants a revolution to occur in their country and is ostensibly working towards that. A Third Worldist by contrast has completely surrendered the notion that a revolution or any kind of progressive agenda is remotely possible in the ā€œimperial coreā€ and they claim the only thing Communists can do is either ā€œbreak the machine from the insideā€ here or imply they should ā€œsupportā€ revolutions abroad. But they never fucking do.

I can accept someone saying ā€œIā€™m not for revolution here because Iā€™m afraid Iā€™ll die or get maimed.ā€ Thatā€™s natural. But TWists take this holier than thou approach and undermine morale of local communists by constantly whining itā€™s all pointless. Itā€™s the communist equivalent to a religious fundamentalist that never steps foot inside a church, though every now and again theyā€™ll do something to ā€œproveā€ their faith that ends in a lot of people dying. Third Worldists do nothing and if they actually believe their own claptrap, the only way to stop being a hypocrite is to either shit or get off the pot.

>>1836554
This goes back to a point Iā€™ve made that ā€œinternationalismā€ as it manifests online at least (and often in person too) is an entirely incoherent belief system that no one knows how to do ā€œcorrectly.ā€ Itā€™s like how every Protestant talks about how the Bible alone is the source of all Christian teachings but each sect comes to radically different conclusions.

I think nationalists of a type are capable of ā€œriding the waveā€ of political nihilism while internationalists break their brains trying to find some universal ā€œruleā€ or virtue that just doesnā€™t exist. The Israeli prime minister that said if he was an Arab heā€™d join Hamas or the PLO is more consistent and coherent than Marxists calling for Palestinians and Israelis to ā€œreject their respective bourgeoisieā€

 No.1836651

>>1836633
Getting flashbacks to 2016 with people chanting "I believe that she will win."

 No.1836655

>>1836632
You could argue certain pats of culture are universal but the specific pieces are interchangeable. You need language to communicate, what specific one you were taught was determined by upbringing. Clothes can show social status but the specific cut or color is fundamentally arbitrary to what culture you were brainwashed into. People like ceremonies for important life events but what specific ritual steps are taken in those those ceremonies don't matter and can be replaced with any other. Even what counts as a life even doesn't matter, people like being with each other and making up reasons to do it.

 No.1836660

>>1836496
I remember hearing this third worldist group in Denmark or something mentioned in a podcast. They would go and rob banks and then send the money to third world revolutionary groups. They got away with it for a while because they managed to disguise their actions as being the work of organized crime. Wish I could remember the name of the group, but they're the only one that I can think of that took third worldism to it's logical conclusion.

 No.1836662

>>1836660
tbh sounds like they could have taken it farther with a little creativity. if you're already imitating organized crime, why not go ahead and do false flags against various gangs pretending to be other gangs to start destabilizing gang wars in the imperial core? not that they should actually do that, but that would be taking turd worldism a lot farther than just like doing charity.

 No.1836666

>>1836612
>>1836645
That poster thinks this is a gotcha but Marx wasn't heartless. Here's some relevant background:
>>1833939
>Note "strict regulation of the working time according to different age groups." He laid that out more in some other pieces. His ideas seemed to have a lot in common with German-style apprenticeships, combining work and school.

<Another consequence of the use of machinery was to force women and children into the factory. The woman has thus become an active agent in our social production. Formerly female and childrenā€™s labour was carried on within the family circle. I do not say that it is wrong that women and children should participate in our social production. I think every child above the age of nine ought to be employed at productive labour a portion of its time, but the way in which they are made to work under existing circumstances is abominable.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1868/machinery-speech.htm

 No.1836675

>>1836647
>I can accept someone saying ā€œIā€™m not for revolution here because Iā€™m afraid Iā€™ll die or get maimed.ā€ Thatā€™s natural. But TWists take this holier than thou approach and undermine morale of local communists by constantly whining itā€™s all pointless.
Spot on, that was always my gripe with third-worldists.
When there is some kind of movement that is indirectly but by default against imperialism coming from your country, and you see TWs here or on Xitter whining about petit-bourgeois PMCs or whatever, it just disgusts you of the left, especially the self-righteous left with radical opinions.
Those people will use plenty of oxygen to say "why do you complain X isn't pure enough?" then completely abandon any idea of a working class union as soon as it doesn't happen within their unrealistic parameters.
There are fucking snipers on the roofs, I think it's a proof that the powers that be really don't like this movement, and don't like implications of it, yet it will never be enough for TWs. "Might as well bitch on the internet and do nothing" is their message in fine, and they don't offer any good critique of the movement at that.

 No.1836677

>>1836666
I think child labor can be reintroduced in America in a socialist way. Like Marx says, 9 is a good age to start. Or, whenever they can read and do basic math.

These children can supplement their family incomes. Single parent households would suddenly have double the income

 No.1836678

>>1836647
>This goes back to a point Iā€™ve made that ā€œinternationalismā€ as it manifests online at least (and often in person too) is an entirely incoherent belief system that no one knows how to do ā€œcorrectly.ā€
Internationalism has never really existed beyond a set of overall shared goals and principles. In the 1930s the Comintern attempt to enforce some of the more specific elements of Stalinist doctrine on communist parties abroad was a major mistake for this reason.

 No.1836679

>>1836677
Yes, 9 years old is a good age to start producing commodities, and $200 a month is also a good starting wage.

 No.1836682

>>1836679
This would be solved with socialist laws.
1. Minimum wage by occupation
2. Equal pay for adults and children

 No.1836686

>>1836682
<1. Minimum wage by occupation
There is already a minimum wage in the USA lol.

<2. Equal pay for adults and children

>pay the child $200 a month
>pay the mother $1000 a month
>bring progressive wage equality, now both the child and the mom are paid $600
>$600 is now an acceptable rate for single mom labour power
>the rent for a 10mĀ² room is now $3200 in downtown Cleveland
>watch "households can earn double their income with our KiddyWork platform!" ads everyday on your way to work
>inflation makes everything go smoother for everyone involved
>?????
>PROFIT!!!! (this is socialism btw you fucking ultra)

 No.1836690

>>1836686
Child labor is an essential foundation of socialism. Children don't need an adult's wages, but they can still be as useful in some occupations as adults. This fact alone makes their utilization necessary

 No.1836691

>>1836660
See Iā€™d have nothing but respect for those typesā€”because theyā€™re doing shit other than posting. They were logically following their own belief system as best as they could. They arenā€™t just posting that they accepted some harsh and bitter truths all the fucking time. Itā€™s like when I mentioned that during the BLM riots the CPUSA was trying to highlight incidents of police brutality and March peacefully with the protesters. Some dude responded that proved we were libs because we werenā€™t shooting cops or agitating violent revolution. And itā€™s like: so is your group doing that? You and some friends? Everyone wants to fight the civil war, no one wants to be the John Brown because it necessitates dying in a revolutionary struggle. If they could Iā€™m sure theyā€™d want to be a John Brown that escapes, but they know that the guy who shoots first is going to die.

>>1836666
See this brings up an early struggle within Socialism which is often forgotten by a lot of modern Marxists, which was that a lot of early Socialists were mortified by the growth of the Proletarian class. This wasnā€™t just vulgar classism, though Iā€™m sure there was some of that too, rather they saw all these people being herded into huge factories, doing backbreaking labor, being ground up and spit out by Capitalism, and they rightly thought ā€œThis is horrible! How do we stop this?!ā€

Funny enough Thomas Jefferson kind of held similar sentiments to those early socialists. His whole ā€œrepublic of Yeoman farmersā€ thing was because he said, out and out, that if youā€™re reliant on another man just to survive (such as being a wage slave) you canā€™t ever hope to be a full participant in a democratic society because youā€™re reliant on someone else for your daily survival. One of Marxā€™s achievements was centering the proletariat as the revolutionary subject of history. Suddenly this thing that all these socialists are trying to avoid is necessary for Socialism to be made possible.

 No.1836698

>>1836678
Theres an analogy I came up with for Internationalism vs Nationalism. You dump two people in the woods and give them each a map and a compass. One has a highly detailed map of the entire world. The other has a highly detailed map of the entire country. Who gets out of the woods quicker?

Iā€™ve been called everything from a Tankie to a Fascist because Iā€™ve publicly said Ukraine should negotiate for peace even at the cost of ceding territory to Russia, often by people who are otherwise good socialists. I bring up Iraq and Afghanistan as examples of why I donā€™t think we should arm Ukraine, they bring them up as examples of why we should.

Nationalists are far more simple. It goes back to what I said about the Israeli Prime Minister. If he was Arab heā€™d be fighting Israel tooth and nail, but he isnā€™t so heā€™s persecuting the Arabs. Itā€™s remarkably simple. Pure relativism: ā€œmy group good, other groups bad unless they help my group.ā€ They ride the waves of Nihilism like I said. While the Left is still struggling for some universal principle to start from.

 No.1836705

>>1836690
>Child labor is an essential foundation of socialism.
Why? We already have plenty of unemployed adult laborers, what do you want more?
>Children don't need an adult's wages
Ok Porky.
>but they can still be as useful in some occupations as adults. This fact alone makes their utilization necessary
You mean having an education? A functional nation state already does that for free, no need to include children into the production process.

 No.1836710

>>1836677
https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/human-capital

>Human capital represents two-thirds of wealth for the average individualā€”and work experience contributes almost half of that value.

>The most important resource in any economy or organization is its human capitalā€”that is, the collective knowledge, attributes, skills, experience, and health of the workforce. While human capital development starts in early childhood and continues through formal education, the McKinsey Global Institute and McKinseyā€™s People & Organizational Performance Practice have focused new research on the next stage, which spans the full working life.
>Human capital is much more than a macroeconomic abstraction. Each person has a unique, living, breathing set of capabilities. Those capabilities belong to the individual, who decides where to put them to work. The degree of choice is not limitless, of course. People are the products of geography, family, and education; their starting points matter. Having career options also depends on an individualā€™s abilities and attributes, their networks, their family obligations, the health of the broader labor market, and societal factors.

Creating "human capital" is the most important thing for an economy. Making sure people receive proper education and safety ensures growth in the long term, much more efficient then informal and unprofessional labor that can or will be automated. There is no work a child can make that remotely compensates the loss of human capital to an economy, socialist or not.

Some interesting graphs in this article.
https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/human-capital-at-work-the-value-of-experience

 No.1836723

>>1836005
as are most proles.
>>1835984
most proletarian protests arent inherently effective

 No.1836725

>>1836705
>education is the only value a child can offer to the world.


And people wonder why students are "bourgeoise"

 No.1836728

>>1836690
I beg to doffer. children deserve "adult" wages if tgeyre doing the same kind of work.

Unless you believe that women shouldnt esrn as much as men or blacks shouldnt earn as much as whites.

 No.1836730

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>I am going to leave some of the greatest schools in the world in a low crime place to enter a literal war zone because I am a brainwashed freak

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 No.1836741

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> @AOC in the Gaza Solidarity Encampment at Columbia University.
Love to see protestors let government officials enter their protest to get pacified and dispersed. Very smart!

 No.1836742

>>1836741
yeah instead they should launch an armed uprising from the campus forecourse. idiot.

 No.1836744

>>1836742
>yeah instead they should (stupid hyperbole)
It's allegedly a protest, faggot. They could boot her ass. It wouldn't be a first.

 No.1836745

>>1836388
>>1836361
>only zoomers are the postboomer right

 No.1836746

>>1836690
Shut the fuck up, contrarian anon.

 No.1836747

>>1836744
Obviously AOC pretty much sucks but how does letting AOC in not help signal boost and legitimise their protest?

 No.1836749


>>1836638
So? He was wrong about that. Issue solved.

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>

 No.1836758

I cant believe it but it feels like we are heading towards the funny timeline.
>russia wins or russia gains a massive push into ukraine
>this happens right near the 2024 election
I didnt think it would converge like this but lmao

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 No.1836764

>>1836759
Its referring to how ukraine seems to be currently breaking down while russia is slowly pushing.
Out of all the years this could have happened, its happening right around a election year for biden. And thus making biden look bad if russia does beat ukraine this year. During a election period.
Its mainly me joking around.

 No.1836831

>>1836749
Karl marx was 100 percent right. Child labor becomes a good thing under socialism. It is no longer despicable and outlawed, but perfected and desired.
>>1836728
Equal obligation to work applies to everyone under socialist mode of production, even the children.

The problem that arises from equal pay between children and adults is that the adults who work alongside children as equals will be forced to subsist on an income that supports a child. This could be solved in many ways, like obligated intensive technical education.

In socialism, it should not be the job of the parents alone to support their children. It should be a social effort. Until the child can work, supplemental income will provide. This should be cut off when the child is able to work, with great incentives given if earlier than nine.
>>1836705
In socialism, there is no unemployment. This alone implies that the children must work. Introducing children to the productive processes accelerates the development. The forces of production would develop much faster with a decreased child labor participation age, and this would also afford us to have a reduced retirement age.

 No.1836848

>>1836831
I am going to kill you

 No.1836854

>>1836831
anons political programme:

>as soon as babies can crawl they are placed on treadmills to produce electricity, and as soon as they can walk theyre sent to the factory to mass produce No Fun Allowed signs

>everyone wears the same jumpsuits, the color and pattern of which will be determined by groundbreaking studies on what is most unappealing to the human eye
>flowers will be banned for being obscene
>all elderly people will be employed at industrial scale funeral homes to maximize efficiency

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 No.1836857

>>1836764
The Ukraine shit is bipartisan foreign policy and always has been so it doesn't really matter which octogenarian pedophile wins the figurehead contest.

 No.1836864

>>1836857
oh you misunderstand, im not saying foreign policy will change if the orange man is president.
Im just pointing out, how funny it is, that ukraine may lose right during election year aka fucking over biden badly in the right moment. More funny if it happens just before the election.

 No.1836879

>>1836854
The retirement age would be lower if we had child labor. When I see 65 year old boomers working in Walmart I cringe so hard. Children should take their place. The children could do their jobs better

 No.1836882

>>1836022
the core needs to change or nothing will change
the periphery needs independence from the core or the core won't change

 No.1836904

Amazing Jacobin piece about the VW Unionization efforts in Chattanooga

https://jacobin.com/2024/04/chattanooga-vw-uaw-unionization

>I was watching a YouTuber who I didnā€™t quite realize is super right wing, and theyā€™d rail against feminism. So I talked to a feminist who worked in the crew, and it was awesome; they helped explain a lot of things to me. Donā€™t ever let people tell you that those people are not inclusive, because they absolutely are. Personally, I call myself a socialist now.


>That job also made me realize that people need more say at the workplace, and that this idea that we should just do what weā€™re told and that unskilled labor is something that you shouldnā€™t make much money doing. Iā€™d think: I work harder than a lot of the businessmen who own this place. They make all the money, and they make all the decisions, and all the decisions suck, because my job gets harder and more painful when they make a decision. Every day is filled with more frustration whenever a corporate guy comes in. The amount of misery that goes into a busy day and yet I donā€™t make a penny more when I make you guys more money. How does that make sense? Thatā€™s when I first started having the wheels turn and realizing that this is a raw deal


>For five years, I worked on the line. The main portion of my first job was to torque seat-belt bolts. Thatā€™s where I hurt my back. In the last hour of overtime ā€” it was the last car ā€” I felt a pop in my waist. Iā€™ve never felt the same since.


>Itā€™s pathetic to say that Iā€™m one of the lucky ones, but I am, because other people have had to have surgery. And then they rotated me to a different job putting in headliners, and I was still in pain every single day. Iā€™d be limping out of there. Now Iā€™m a trainer, working day shifts from 6 a.m. to 2:30 p.m

 No.1836905

>>1836904
>Shawn came for a surprise visit to help us deliver a letter to the company telling them to stop union busting, and it was awesome. When he was there, he talked about how Mexicans are just people trying to find a better life and take care of their families. I remember thinking some of my coworkers needed to hear that. It has been pleasantly surprising to see who supports the union: you might expect people to be one way, and the ā€œculture warā€ crap has really polarized people. But where the rubber meets the road, and they can see how it affects them, they see clearly.

>And itā€™s important for people to know that those who support us also donā€™t want to treat human beings from a country south of us like theyā€™re lesser and they deserve less than us. Shawn also talked about how terrible what is happening in Palestine is at that meeting

 No.1836910

>UAW Files Charges in Germany Against Mercedes-Benz: Companyā€™s Anti-Union Campaign Against U.S. Autoworkers Violates New German Law on Global Supply Chain Practices

https://uaw.org/uaw-files-charges-in-germany-against-mercedes-benz-companys-anti-union-campaign-against-u-s-autoworkers-violates-new-german-law-on-global-supply-chain-practices/

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 No.1836973

>>1836831
Yeah keep jerking off

 No.1836975

>>1836831
>productive forces canā€™t grow without child labor
<child labor gets banned
<they grow anyway

Oops

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 No.1836978

>>1836879
>child labor anon is still at it
Youā€™re not convincing anyone of your repugnant ideas. Shut up.

 No.1836980

>>1836978
Technically speaking he's not wrong on that point.

 No.1836985

>>1836980
He would be right if the history of capitalism actually showed that child labor was actually necessary- the reality is that the means of production have continued developing without it

 No.1837003

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 No.1837008

>>1836831
Oh boy, another
>Socialism is fascism
Poster

 No.1837009

>>1836879
Why do mods ban people for shitting on MLs but not faggots like you for promoting a pro-capitalist and fascistic program with a shit-colored vaguely red-gloss?
I guess, ā€œGenocide X ethnicity, work proles to death in the peopleā€™s factory at gunpointā€ is permissible so long as you jerk off to fucking stalin while you say it

Mod clique acts like all the ML-Trotskyist cults in this country

 No.1837012

>>1837009
But what never occurred to you is getting a life.
Curious

 No.1837013

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Within three years, when applying for the exemption to work in case management, her dream job is when Hoffman found out that she ā€” like thousands of others ā€” still owes the state $50 a day for the seven years of her original sentence: $127,750.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/pay-to-stay-florida-inmates-charged-for-prison-cells-long-after-incarceration

FREEDOM AINT FREE

 No.1837015

>>1837012
>Getting a life
t. Faggot that lives on a fringe board shilling child labor exploitation to losers

 No.1837017

>>1837015
You have serious problems mate. I know it. And right now, you are in my space.
I am not what you are reacting to. I tell you one more time, read, sort your own issues out.

 No.1837021

>>1837017
Can I ask why you faggots always respond to the people that criticize the board and not the people that openly promote child exploitation?

 No.1837022

>>1837021
No, first of all.
Second, it goes into the issue of, you do not understand your own position here. How many times do you think I've seen people like you? That act exactly the same way?

 No.1837024

>>1837022
Lmao
Fuck off
And die

 No.1837025

>>1837024
Consider it a warning

 No.1837028

>>1837021
> the people that openly promote child exploitation?

like?

 No.1837034

>>1837013
>charging multiple people prison fees for a single bed that they may or may not be using
so this is how they plan to maximize profits with overcrowded prisons

 No.1837042

>>1837021
This.

People will jerk off to the most vile positions possible because they want their dick sucked for being edgy, but the second you criticize them, suddenly, then youā€™re the problem!

Unreal. Ban all incels and move /ISG/ to siberia

 No.1837043

>>1837022
The ā€œpositionā€ is that people act like dumb cunts who drag the board down with them and the mods do jack shit

 No.1837044

>>1837028
Have you not been reading the thread?

 No.1837048

>>1837043
A fine enough position. Now the question is how to, as it were, communicate this position. It feels to me that a lot of the people on that position are the authors of their own demise.

 No.1837049

>>1837008
Iā€™m fairly certain theyā€™re /ISG/cels who canā€™t think critically for themselves

The giveaway is that they CITE Marx, but they never ENGAGE Marx

 No.1837052

>>1837048
I said it clearly enough the first time

>their demise

Stop talking like an anime villain over complaints regarding an imageboard ya pretentious cunt

 No.1837055

>>1837052
Everyone's a critic.

 No.1837084

>>1836747
Because it's not a protest once officialdom has arrived to represent it.

>>1836831
>romanticizing labor
Tell me you're a middle-class cunt who has no intention of ever picking up a tool without telling me. You useless fucks need to be enslaved

 No.1837087

>>1837012
Western "life" needs to be burned, not reproduced.

 No.1837091

Why give your best or even take effort in your job, there is no motivation to actually be interested in servicing the capitalist corporation. I can't blame ""lazy"" people, as long as they do the minimum and don't get fired, then its fine. Better spend life reading theory, or trying to help others, have fun, and chose what to do with life yourself.

 No.1837092

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lolbert moment

 No.1837098

>>1837092
NH libertarians proving that the lolbert to fascist pipeline is real

 No.1837104

>>1837098
The greatest thing about this decade so far is the implosion of the lolbert movement into regular fascism (like the Nu Atheists basically becoming Christfags out of western chauvinism)

 No.1837105

>>1837092
That is a godanm ratio TBH

 No.1837116

>>1837104
I know. I can't wait for the NH party to start crying about how young people aren't supporting libertarianism.

 No.1837120

File: 1714235616585.gif (1.78 MB, 1080x1080, woke.gif)

What amazes me about the American government/society is just how stable it is despite how dysfunctional everything is. The great dichotomy of everything falling apart yet everything as stable as ever. How?

 No.1837121

>>1837120
Domestication. Weakness and non confrontational behavior as virtues.

 No.1837129

>>1837127
lol faggot massa don't even know your name

 No.1837135

>>1837120
It is stable in its dysfunctionality, actually. And it's not just an American problem. The thing is that things falling apart bring profit in someone's pockets.

>>1837121
>non confrontational behavior as virtue
How do you explain Karens, tho?

 No.1837139

>>1837120
Also, if I didn't have photosensitive epilepsy watching that image, I'll really never have it!

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 No.1837177

>>1837168
Why? They're evil

 No.1837179

>>1837177
proles are pussys ngl, mate

 No.1837185

>>1837137
>>1837138
Keep working hard and being a good boy maybe massa let you shine his shoes in cracker heaven

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 No.1837203

>>1837120
Well itā€™s a few factors that Iā€™ve discussed in part elsewhere but to reiterate:
>Idealistic Propaganda
This is something that doesnā€™t get discussed much, but the cleverest trick America pulled during the Cold War was reframing the ideological conflict from ā€œCapitalism vs Communismā€ to ā€œFreedom vs Communismā€. Sure it made capitalism synonymous with ā€œfreedomā€ implicitly, but the American framing of things was never two economic systems competing with each other.

Today we canā€™t point to anything good about the present state of affairs other than ā€œfreedomā€ in some nebulous sense. And it goes to show how much idealism does impact politics. A guy could be poor and with no hope for the future, he could be certain heā€™ll never retire, but you present Socialism to him and heā€™s as likely to panic because he think itā€™d mean a loss of some vague ā€œfreedomā€! As though his life could feasibly get any worse.

Iā€™ve been to some extremely poor parts of the country. Iā€™m talking places where it looks like they still have Hoovervilles. They trend conservative, generally. Went to some family ā€œrestaurantā€ ofā€¦ extremely dubious health standards. And in between pictures of characters from Madagascar were pages upon pages of scripture stapled to the walls. Weā€™re talking more scripture than a Grey Knight has purity seals. Leaves of it, just fluttering in the wind. When things are bad youā€™re just as likely to cling onto what you have. Youā€™re going on the defense because the offense seems impossible. Your guns, Bible, flag.

>System Buy In

I mentioned this a lot recently. But the difference in Republican forms of government that makes it robust is you are, theoretically at least, partially in charge of the system. Youā€™ve got a say in it through your vote. The government in theory doesnā€™t extend just to elected officials but the electors themselvesā€”the voting public. This can also mean that the flaws of the country can be blamed on your neighbors: those goddamn libtards/MAGA psychos. The benefit of authoritarian forms of government is thereā€™s broadly one guy you can use as a scapegoat. Russkies had the Tsar. When a singular figure becomes the representative of the state, you can scapegoat him easily as a revolutionary. Get the public to unite behind it all being that guyā€™s fault.

As it stands most modern socialists spend too much time critiquing the American Nation (ie the common people of the country) and not enough critiquing the government as a distinct entity. Itā€™s especially funny because an old saying in American politics used to be ā€œPeople hate congress but love their congressman.ā€ But a baffling trend political scientists have noticed is now that isnā€™t even true: people hate congress AND their congressman.

Thereā€™s no positive reason to vote for any of these assholes now. Itā€™s almost always ā€œwell I canā€™t let the other side win.ā€ My libertarian buddy was asking me if Iā€™ve seen any Biden-Harris yard signs or shit around LA, and I had to confess Iā€™ve only seen maybe one or two bumper stickers in years. To him itā€™s evidence that Biden cheated in 2020 (not that he supports Trump, either) but to me I think it shows that Democrats just arenā€™t voting positively anymore. None of them want Biden in office. They just want to keep Trump out. And youā€™d be surprised how far a politician can get on having no positive program beyond just ā€œIā€™m not the other guy.ā€

I personally think thereā€™s a possibility for a populist upsurge if you can rally people around a message of firing ALL the current crops of politicians and abolishing the big two political parties. Turn the Dems and Reps both into symbols of American dysfunction and run on a platform of ending them. Itā€™d be especially potent because youā€™d be confronting them with their own uselessness. And as they cling desperately on to power and try to undermine populist competitors, itā€™ll reiterate to people that theyā€™re just on their own side. They arenā€™t ā€œservingā€ anyone but themselves.

 No.1837213

>>1837120
compared to other places like europe its easier to make money here so there is a lost more interest in keeping the momentum going

 No.1837217

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New mental illness just drops.

 No.1837229

>>1837223
>ooooh massa gon git you fer not bein a good boy

 No.1837239

>>1837217
Fellas, is it gay to be straight?

 No.1837252

>>1837239
Why are you "straight?" Because you go straight for other guys' cocks?

 No.1837255

>>1837252
I go for gay guys' cocks.
Because I am gay.

This means because it is gay to be straight, it must be straight to be gay-

Therefore, I am straight. I beat the system fellas. My rights are protected now.

 No.1837261

>oh, you wanna procreate? why, just to make more men?

 No.1837267

>>1837223
Bro, most people don't like being chained to the capitalist system and getting paid pennies on the dollar especially when those pennies are worth way less than they were 5 years ago.
"Slacking off" is workers adjusting their labor output because they are being ripped off. This is just like the classic complaint of slaves "being lazy." Why wouldn't they be?

 No.1837289

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>>1837217
The funniest thing about this nonsense, beyond the fact that Tate is admitting he's gay (does the dude even have kids?) is how Conservatives went from "WE'RE THE NEW PUNK ROCK" to straight up Victorian Hysterics. Or rather they were always like that, but it's showing more now. Y'know originally it was all
>"Aren't we sick of these fucking feminists trying to ruin our fun?"
Like that was the premise. That you can't have shit like a strip club in a video game anymore because Feminists would whine. That media would have random side stories unrelated to the plot that are all like "this gay person is valid!" Like I remember playing Dragon Age Inquisition and kind of rolling my eyes at how they tried to shoehorn a trans character into the setting by claiming the psychotically totalitarian Qunari are cool with them. Like, it's an understandable annoyance even if it's childish.

But give it a year and these fuckers are back to
>"I'm not going to play the next GTA because you're killing our pretty and handsome police officers!"
>"Sex is ONLY for procreation! If you enjoy sex, you're gay!"
>"I don't even enjoy eating food anymore, it's just nutrition. I hate it."

Like they're giving the game up pretty quickly. It makes their whining about being free or edgy so fucking stupid.

 No.1837297

Will I be stuck in my crappy job for the rest of my life?

 No.1837298

>>1837297
If you don't do anything to prevent it.

 No.1837301

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>>1837217
What a faggot, the dude has lost his mind.

 No.1837304

>>1837301
Is tate not white

and why isn't he in romanian prison

 No.1837306

>>1837301
Is there an ai of that racist guy from Disco Elysium that can read this out

 No.1837307

>>1837304
he is not white. his father was African American. I think he probably had some sort of identity crisis and breakdown.

 No.1837316

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 No.1837317

>>1837298
So what, form a union?
I'd get a new job but I feel like this is currently the best job I could find.

 No.1837321

>>1837301
I think Andrew Tate has done more to deconstruct masculinity than any feminist scholar in history. Like that one man can be so monumentally retarded is nearly enough to make me a feminist. Shit didnā€™t the transvestigators accuse him of being a secret FTM? Is Tate some deep cover agent trying to make toxic masculinity a thing?

 No.1837322

File: 1714251251679.mp4 (4.48 MB, 576x1024, kb8GLEfFo3uZun-g.mp4)

https://nitter.poast.org/HollerWV/status/1784248741689536935#m

Actual fascist antisemites are openly marching in Charleston, West Virginia.

 No.1837323

>>1837322
Itā€™s patriot front. Not anything serious

 No.1837325

>>1837323
Yes it is Patriot Front.

 No.1837328

>>1837316
This is just a stunt to get their base riled up about Satanism. Even in red states, every interpretation of law says Satanists have the same rights as any other Christian sect.

 No.1837330

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 No.1837337

>>1837316
I thought this was Amuerica!

 No.1837353

>>1837084
>Tell me you're a middle-class cunt who has no intention of ever picking up a tool without telling me. You useless fucks need to be enslaved
I don't think you read my post.

 No.1837354

>>1837316
fuck desantis and every piece of legislation his signs but satanism is unironically cringe

 No.1837357

>>1837323
No wall of text, not the real CPUSA anon

 No.1837361

>>1837330
>>1837322
Based. America ain't for sale. Fukkkk israellll

 No.1837362

>>1837361
Hi FBI

 No.1837363

>>1837362
Wait. Wouldn't the FBI have them support Israel

 No.1837371

>>1837363
I mean I don't see why any actual leftist would be praising fascists.

 No.1837376

>>1837322
Relax, Donny, these are Nihilists, they're harmless

 No.1837377

>>1837357
Nah itā€™s me, I just consider Patriot Front in particular to be an exceptionally stupid group. Say what you will of other neo Nazi orgs but they seem to at least have some thugs in their org. Meth heads mostly. Patriot Front are just a bunch of suburbanite nerds who got caught on into /pol/. Shit I listened to one of them, the Simi Valley guy, and going by voice alone the kid sounds like a fucking nerd. The only lesson theyā€™ve taken from every other failed Nazi project in the US is that they have to dress nicer.

Theyā€™ve got no strategy for political power. They just do gay little marches and some petty vandalism. They, like every other political formation in America, are just a poor imitation of their forebears. Men of actual talent are exceedingly rare these days.

 No.1837393

>>1837377
Convincing CPUSA anon, me believes

 No.1837394

>>1837013
I've known this forever. It's true of several states, not just Florida. Go to prisonlegalnews if you want to be filled with rage all the time. The worst part is everyone concludes prisoners just "deserve" this bullshit so nobody fights against it. fuck this country

 No.1837395

>>1837371
Because they are anti-imperialist.

 No.1837396

>>1837322
>actual antisemites
nobody cares
>students saying free palestine
better paint them as antisemites

 No.1837400

>>1837092
They've been doubling down since they posted that, and are openly calling for violence against anyone to the left of Mises as well as homeless people.

 No.1837402

>>1837400
it might be time to round up these people and light them on fire

 No.1837405

>>1836856
>>1837003
the two genders

 No.1837406

>>1837402
I say let them be unless they start doing stuff to people irl, which is unlikely to happen. Right now they're showing the world what libertarians are all about while Milei is discrediting lolbert economics.

 No.1837407

>>1837301
based measurehead DESTROYS ham sandwich men once and for all

 No.1837408

>>1837406
>unless they start doing stuff to people irl
i'm talking about the frat guys ejecting homeless w/ the pigs

 No.1837409

>>1837400
That page is a lolcow page and will fail to have engagement outside some far right chvds

 No.1837412

How do any of you cope with living in this scum society because I'm at my wits end and will probably off myself by the end of the year if this keeps up.

 No.1837413

>>1837400
>>1837092
IIRC the Libertarian Party has been wholly co-opted by something called ā€œthe Mises caucusā€ which have argued, among other things, that the path to political power in this country is posting increasingly absurd and enraging statements. Someone on here said thereā€™s talk that this mightā€™ve been a Republican plot to undermine their rivals because lolberts have cost them narrow elections in the past.

Iā€™ll also say that Iā€™m pretty sure thisā€™ll be the future of groups like the DSA, too. Theyā€™ll just be posting some cringe guillotine memes instead, I think.

 No.1837414

>>1837412
I keep a white flag in my basement that I'll raise when the JDPON Army matches through

 No.1837415

>>1837412
Personally I'm looking for ways to improve the world around me. It's the only option I have.

 No.1837419

>>1837412
Unironically take a break from politics and start exercising. Try to form healthy social relationships and take a break from the news. Doomscrolling does nothing but make you more depressed. Maybe get a new job, too.

Iā€™d say part of the reason shit feels so bleak is because our only interaction with ā€œwider societyā€ are jobs that make us miserable or the internet and television.

 No.1837422

>>1837419
It's tough because I live in a house where Newsmax is on 24/7. Most of my friends have mildly chinletdish views and do nothing but smoke and play vidya.

A new job would be nice because my manager is a fascist cunt and the job sucks ass

 No.1837438

>>1837400
frat boys aren't cops you can literally beat them up though

like yeah they have copious amounts of premarital sex and usually bench press but like, people annoyed the fuck out of the cops in 2020, a bunch of jocks ain't shit in comparison once people start learning to fight back

 No.1837440

>>1837321
>CPUSAnon posting reheated Midwestern Marx schizo takes

 No.1837446

>>1837440
The ā€œTate is a secret Trans feministā€ thing is a joke, silly.

 No.1837452

>>1837395
>Because they are anti-imperialist.

 No.1837455

>>1837377
>Theyā€™ve got no strategy for political power. They just do gay little marches and some petty vandalism.
I think earlier we were talking about them and described them as an SA-type organization without the party to attach itself to. But they're barely a miniature version of the SA. Makes me think of the first few paragraphs in the 18th Brumaire. You see this kind of "conjuring up the dead of world history" a lot in politics. The Tea Party dressed up as colonial revolutionaries to give their cause the impression of a great historical drama, while what they were actually doing was: electing Republicans, cutting taxes, etc. I don't think this is simply to bamboozle one's political opponents either btw – people conceal what they're really doing from themselves.

Patriot Front does use ideology and propaganda about how the West has fallen and all that, but to me it looks more like an attempt to mask how unheroic they actually are.

So there are limits to historical comparisons. Just because people conjure up these symbols to dramatize what they're doing now doesn't make them, like, the same as that. There's a funny scene in Iron Sky where Pres. Sarah Palin is struggling in the polls so she enlists some Nazis to help her LARP like Hitler so she can win re-election (it turns out to be very successful), like a Dark Brandon maneuver. I feel like a lot of politics today is like that.

 No.1837456

>>1837455
>an SA-type organization without the party to attach itself to
they are a fed op

 No.1837458

>>1837120
The American system is deeply conservative (as in, pro-establishment, pro-status-quo; not as a synonym for reactionary) at a fundamental level. It's designed to keep chugging along at all costs, being just flexible enough to deal with moment-to-moment issues, patch holes in the system, and stave off existential threats, but relatively closed to meaningful systemic change from within.

 No.1837460

the big meme about patriot front is to call them feds, every thread about them on pol is derailed when someone just makes a post calling them feds and you get their supporters sperging out.

also they do nothing but march around like dumbasses

 No.1837462

>>1837419
Some good advice here though I never understood the "give up on politics" line of reasoning. Then again I enjoy that shit so maybe it's just me.
Now if only I wasn't so damn socially awkward.

 No.1837463

>>1837460
I really don't think they're feds, but like… wannabe feds… or a wannabe auxiliary for a far-right government, but until then they can't think of anything better to do except march around in circles.

 No.1837464

>>1837412
I have a gf, she gives me the will to keep it pushing, if we break up either I commit suicide or join some Maoist guerrillas somewhere (elaborate suicide)

 No.1837465

>>1837463
they serve the feds by being a boogeyman that politicians can use to justify expanding the surveillance state to combat "extremism," and when SHTF they could potentially be turned into actual RWDS

 No.1837467

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Protestors disrupting the White House Correspondents' Dinner today.

 No.1837468

>>1837452
They literally march against funding israel. You probably think Harvey Lee Oswald was a fed too

 No.1837470

>>1837468
>You probably think Harvey Lee Oswald was a fed too
Yeah I think that was probably likely.

 No.1837472

>>1837468
So? It's not because they're against imperialism; it's because they hate da jooz.

 No.1837473

>>1837468
>You probably think Harvey Lee Oswald was a fed too
You probably think V*ush isn't.

 No.1837482

>>1837306
just replace white people with ham sandwich

 No.1837488

>>1837322
Why do they all dress like that? They look retarded

 No.1837489

>>1837455
Funny enough Iā€™ve been thinking about that. Especially in regards to Fascism. Thereā€™s this fbi.gov between ā€œoldā€ and ā€œnewā€ in politics. Whats old might be ā€œrediscoveredā€ but weā€™re strangled by the framing of it as it historically existed. The Socialist in the West is trying to be Lenin while Lenin was his own man. I was trolling /pol/ once and when I called out one of them for being pathetic, one of them confidently responded ā€œIā€™M GONNA BE THE NEXT HITLER!ā€ (Itā€™s funnier if you imagine it in Narutoā€™s voice). And yā€™know, as much as Hitler idolized various national ā€œheroesā€ of Germany, he was his own man. Mao was his own man. They were capable of striking out on their own course and hence gave their names to new ideological formations. In the present, however, weā€™re just trying to remake the past. People are constrained, in a sense, by these past specters.

Is there a single Marxist-Leninist with the willpower and confidence to assert heā€™s ā€œascendedā€ or ā€œovercomeā€ Lenin? A single Fascist who thinks heā€™ll overcome Hitler or į“‰uį“‰lossnW? It often feels like these men see themselves as just stewards for the second coming of Hitler or Lenin.

Yknow I was reading some post-war newspapers from veterans of the British Union of Fascists. A few things stand out to me: those blackshirts were still referring to Mosley as ā€œThe Leaderā€ as in ā€œIt warmed my heart to see The Leader againā€ and there was still that theyā€™d continue to reference Mosley with reverence. One of them was recounting his experience in Dunkirk and said he understood, seeing all those corpses, why Mosley was anti war.

Does Patriot Front honestly have that level of devotion to their own ā€œleaderā€? The Texas twink with the scraggly beard? Or are they in the same sad niche as Elvis Presley fans long after heā€™s died?

 No.1837505

>>1837203
>I personally think thereā€™s a possibility for a populist upsurge if you can rally people around a message of firing ALL the current crops of politicians and abolishing the big two political parties. Turn the Dems and Reps both into symbols of American dysfunction and run on a platform of ending them. Itā€™d be especially potent because youā€™d be confronting them with their own uselessness. And as they cling desperately on to power and try to undermine populist competitors, itā€™ll reiterate to people that theyā€™re just on their own side. They arenā€™t ā€œservingā€ anyone but themselves.

lets be honest if its gets to this point were getting an actual IN YOUR FACE police state. Our shitty overlords would rather have an 1984 fascist nightmare society then even the most mild socdem reforms.

 No.1837506

>>1837505
burger police were suffering from attrition during the 2020 protests. they're not equipped to actually handle that kind of popular uprising. they desperately depend on the public not being radicalized and being against whoever they're trying to control. the moment the people of the US unite in one struggle, that game is over for them.

 No.1837511


 No.1837512

>>1837505
So I want to preface this by saying I know where youā€™re coming from and sympathize.

With that said, Iā€™m genuinely sick of this attitude on the Left. The people of Gaza are living a Hell we canā€™t imagine, but they havenā€™t surrendered. The Fascists havenā€™t surrendered even when their ideas were crushed under a Soviet tank. But too many western leftists are saying itā€™s impossible or whatever.

Iā€™ve got a friend, also a communist, who claims that as soon as thereā€™s any kind of anti-capitalist uprising in America the ruling class will just nuke the country, instantly. Like, nuke the entire population with the goal of destroying the American, if not the human, race. And itā€™s ridiculous. Itā€™s turning the ruling class into unassailable gods rather than what they are: men. Stupid. Shortsighted. Cowardly. Men.

If you earnestly believe that Socialism will result in the destruction of the human race, then stop getting involved in the movement and try to find some inner peace beyond it. But responding to any attempt to advocate progressive change with ā€œweā€™ll get 1984 x1000 if we do anythingā€ isnā€™t helping.

Iā€™d post Mosleyā€™s speech on not giving into despair, but people would think Iā€™m advocating fascism rather than quoting a fairly charismatic speaker giving legitimately good advice.

 No.1837513

>>1837472
That's what the democrats want you to think. They should get social credit for protesting

 No.1837514

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>>1837289
American Conservatism isn't a political movement, it's a clique; a thing people join because they want friends and a personality for cheap, even if they're not consciously aware that that's what they're doing.

The actual ideology is a distant second to the catchphrases, the aesthetics, the brand, the lifestyle, the identity. Which is why said ideology is this ill-defined, ever-changing, self-contradictory pile of retardation, built on a foundation of labels to put in your Twitter bio, and lead by midwit internet personalities like Peterson and Shapiro.

Their actions for, the most part, don't serve any larger ambitions, even if they'd like to think otherwise. They're too ignorant of politics, both in theory and in practice, to actually understand the systems they're purporting to fight beyond a superficial level. And they don't particularly care to become more knowledgeable, because, again, all they care about is the superficial stuff. Investigating the underlying reasons things are the way they are, forming a well-defined political philosophy, and then using it to take meaningful action is hard. Boycotting a dogshit beer brand because Twitter told you to, on the other hand, is incredibly easy.

It's the kind of thinking you should outgrow by your mid-20s at the very latest, but we live in a time of great immaturity, so I'm not surprised.

 No.1837515

>>1837513
No, these specific guys literally do. They're actual, literal white nationalists. I'm not saying this because they're protesting Israel, I'm saying this because I know what Patriot Front is.

 No.1837518

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>>1837511
>doesn't understand there's always been a civil war (class war)
>doesn't count the people dying routinely to police brutality, starvation, homelessness, etc
>posts dadrock

 No.1837526

>>1837514
Anglo American comservatism isnt real conservatism.

Alot of conservative ethnics even say so.
Also, alot of Anglo American conservatism.is more something people grow into by their mid twenties not out of.


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