No.1803708
>>1803703>I smell the CIA.Probably more accurate to say elements within ISIS-K funded and influenced by CIA but not controlled.
The bombings in Iran are a good example too btw.
No.1803709
>>1803703I asked the /ukraine/ thread, it was not the ISIS, acording to them. It was something done directly from the USA govnerment. There is little proof of ISIS involvment, everything smells
americano
No.1803716
>>1803711ISIS-khorasan have different tactics from ISIS, isn't it? That'd explain why they acted differently from, say, the terrorists of the Bataclan or Charlie Hebdo attacks.
No.1803720
>>1803711>>1803703Oh, that one anon made this thread and is samefagging so you can continue your autism after the conversation moved on.
Truely pathetic. The mind of a leftypoler is unthathomably broken from mental illness.
No.1803721
>>1803720>The mind of a leftypoler is unthathomably broken from mental illness.you are a leftypoler
No.1803723
>>1803720the fact that 3 people acused me of samefaguing in the last 2 days, yet not providing evidence, nor calling the mods, scares me. Please call the mods, i want to prove my inocence.
No.1803726
>>1803721>you are a leftypolerTrue.
No.1803737
IS-K's attack in Pakistan was mainly against Khyber Islamist parties that were pro-Taliban.
Same thing happened with Russia. Russia takes a special place in ISK propaganda not only because of their intervention in Syria but also because of their de facto alliance with the Taliban, who is ironically their biggest enemy in Central Asia right now.
Even if dawla wasn't the actual perpetrator, it makes sense why they'd claim the attacks to sate their deranged assmad members
No.1803739
>>1803709theres no reason for america to do something this flagrant and inflammatory
No.1803740
has anyone got the videos of the shoooting i saw them earlier on the ukraine thread but cant find it now
No.1803741
>isis attack
glowuyghur thread
No.1803742
>>1803739I tend to agree but why the hell would isis do it? It's incomprehensible.
No.1803747
>>1803742>It's incomprehensible.But it's not.
It's been explained why it'd not every time you bring up this faggery little 'talking pount'
I want to understand though, what is your game here? What is the purpose?
No.1803752
>>1803742They already did attack concert places in France when they shot people in the Bataclan.
Pic rel is a big feature of ISIS ideology.
No.1803756
>>1803742What about Ukraine?
No.1803757
>>1803752Pretty sure whilst thry could make post hoc reasons why to attack such sites the central reason is simply; largely emmassed civilians higher likelihood of mass casualties, more spectacular.
FSB also foiled isis plot against synagogue I'm Moscow about a week ago iirc, btw.
No.1803758
>>1803742Russia backs Assad's fight in Syria against ISIS and has increased their support for countries in Africa that are also battling ISIS. There has been some rapprochement between Russia and the Taliban in recent years with ISIS-K still being one of the groups the Taliban has been trying to eliminate.
>Shortly after the Russian invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, the Islamic State’s central propaganda apparatus initiated a Ukraine-focused media campaign in its weekly al-Naba newsletter under the headline “Crusader Against Crusader Wars,” in which the group reveled in the mutual destruction of its declared adversaries on the European continent.
>“This bloody war taking place today, between the Orthodox crusaders—Russia and Ukraine—is an example of the punishment that was unleashed upon them and is forever glued to them.” The conflict, the article argues, is about power and “a manifestation of the escalating competition between America and Russia for control of the Eastern European countries.” The Islamic State says the “crusader against crusader wars” are just beginning, and the article concludes with an appeal: “O Allah, make their wars bloody and plant fbi.gov in their hearts; pour your wrath and torment upon them.”
>Following the al-Naba item, the Islamic State’s central propaganda outlets moved on to other issues; however, pro-Islamic State media groups continued the discourse and carried on producing their own content. During the summer of 2022, the group’s Afghanistan branch, known as the Islamic State-Khorasan (IS-K)—named after a historical region that encompassed northeastern Iran, southern Turkmenistan, and northern Afghanistan—emerged as the leading voice on the Russia-Ukraine war and began spearheading the campaign to capitalize on the conflict that dominates daily global news headlines.[…]
>On Aug. 3, 2022, IS-K published an issue of its flagship English language Voice of Khurasan magazine featuring an article titled “The Black Hole in Ukraine,” which celebrated the war as “a great, tremendous glad tiding for the Muslims worldwide.” The “war erupting among the kuffar [nonbelievers]” is, in IS-K’s view, a “great sign from Allah the Almighty.” Speaking on the two great powers, the United States and Russia, fighting a proxy war, IS-K asserted, “America has been a furious enemy of Islam throughout the last century, and Russia has proven no different.”
>The unnamed author noted how this time, “the victims were not the Muslims of Chechnya, nor Afghanistan nor Syria,” but instead the residents of the “peaceful lands of Europe.” The group boasted that these “crusader governments waging their war on terror against Islam, have seen a clear glimpse of war right in their own homes.” Notably, the article quotes the late Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s past words as prophetically manifesting when he said, “We promise you—by the grace of Allah—that everyone who participates in this war against the Islamic State will surely pay dearly and will regret it.” The decision to quote Baghdadi, the first Islamic State caliph, is intended to afford further legitimacy to the statement and convey a sense of urgency to those listening.[…]
>The most recent piece of propaganda issued by IS-K on the subject was published in issue 24 of Voice of Khurasan on April 2. The article, “A Message from the Heart to our Muslim Brothers in Ukraine,” is allegedly written by an anonymous IS-K supporter living in Europe. The text addresses Muslims fighting on both sides of the conflict in Ukraine—specifically, Chechen Muslims on the Russian side and Tatar Muslims on the Ukrainian one—and urges them to abstain from fighting, join the Islamic State, and redirect their armed struggle toward Russian troops in Syria. The article also takes aim at current Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, whom the author describes as “vulgar” and a “hypocrite,” accusing him of being a tool of Russian President Vladimir Putin for his role in sending Chechen troops to fight in Ukraine.https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/05/09/islamic-state-afghanistan-khorasan-propaganda-russia-ukraine-war/ No.1803761
didnt even know isis was still a thing
No.1803767
>>1803761theyre a brand at this point, less centralized and coordinated than even al-qaeda was, al-qaeda was more like a franchise
No.1803768
>>1803761It's like whack-a-mole. Organized states with armies inevitably crush them but a different franchise will pop up somewhere else. There's a lot of tribal and religious grievances out there, and they show up and tell the local groups to follow them because they'll immediately get money, guns and PR guys – and if the locals are angry enough with some other guys then they agree and say "as long as you kick the other guy's ass, we're in."
Then the jihadis start taking over local businesses, charging a 10-15% tax, and they have a stencil they'll paint on your wall if you pay the tax. Then every week, they haul out a poor bastard who didn't pay the tax and chop his head off. Then people start thinking "oh shit" and realizing that their new friends are going to cause more problems, and then the Americans or Russians show up and bomb the shit out of the place.
It's like a combination apocalyptic religious cult, globetrotting Brotherhood of Nod-style mercenary-franchise army, and ascetic (Islamic-style) alternative to socialism with a retvrn to tradition and all that.
No.1803780
>ukranians pay the dudes to do it
>it was probably planned to happen before the elections but it didn't work out
>attack happens
>ukraine and US immediately says it wasn't them
>is*s retards assume the attack because they need their propaganda
It was probably Ukraine. The t3rrorists are being interrogated right now, we'll see.
No.1803785
>>1803739You're arguing with retards who have been huffing putin's vintage kopium for almost 4 years. In their minds america is the fault of everything bad in their life, instead of realizing that geopolitics is a complex clusterfuck where everyone is at fault and everyone is justified in their own eyes.
They think the USA did it because they warned of a potential upcoming terrorist attack. If the USA had never posted that embassy warning, these same retards are using another reason to argue why the USA did this attack. Delusion.
No.1803786
>>1803785The bourgeoisie did it by proxy of the western bourgeois dictatorship, by proxy of ISIS. Type more paragraphs of cope?
No.1803789
>>1803780>it was probably planned to happen before the elections but it didn't work outthe fact that the state department issued a warning like two weeks ago points to this too
No.1803790
>>1803786The bourgeoise are not american any more than painting you face black makes you african. They have no allegiances to any country, race, religion, or culture. All these things are mere tools to them to be discarded when they are done using it.
They're loyalty only themselves and the pursuit of wealth.
No.1803794
>>1803742because ISIS isnt anything near a unified organization, unaffiliated or loosely affiliated fundamentalist islamist cells who adopt the ISIS brand. there is longstanding tension between islamists in central asia/the caucuses and the russian federation
all that said, the US absolutely HAS had a lot of influence, directly and indirectly, on fomenting islamic fundamentalism and militant cells in central asia, both during and after the USSR. tajikstan in particular was a hotspot during the soviet-afghan war, so if it turns out it was an ISIS-K cell from tajikstan it is completely reasonable to assume there is some degree of indirect US influence. more direct US influence obviously isnt out of the question either but im waiting until theres more information to make any assumptions
No.1803796
>>1803790I don't mean america only. The entire western bourgeois world is united against Russia. They did it. Stop coping, western fellowoids. We must acknowledge our responsibility for this terror
No.1803797
>>1803794<because ISIS isnt anything near a unified organization, unaffiliated or loosely affiliated fundamentalist islamist cells who adopt the ISIS brand.That is until they become a conventional force and get state power, as they have before. It will probably happen again at this rate, considering the West's increasing need to fund them
No.1803800
>>1803796>"our" responsibilitylibshit moment
No.1803805
>>1803785>They think the USA did it because they warned of a potential upcoming terrorist attack.Which is like saying Russia did the Boston Marathon bombing because they warned the U.S. about it. (It's true, they did.)
No.1803808
>>1803797>That is until they become a conventional force and get state power, as they have before. It will probably happen again at this rateImportant to note many western nations refuse to take their citizens back (idk about Russians there were a large and motivated contingent) from Syria, NE Syria is a taking time bomb.
No.1803812
>>1803805Considering that the warning led to a crackdown on ISIS cells and the foiling of other plots, its really bizarre to claim that the warning somehow proves that the Americans were behind it. Surely if the Americans wanted such plots to succeed they would deliberately not warn the Russians about them.
No.1803826
>>1803758Interesting. Wasn't really aware of any of this, they fell off so hard after like 2018. Guess it makes sense.
No.1803829
>>1803812Warnings for these sort of attacks are notoriously ineffective and the US of all countries would know this considering it did the same thing prior to the bombings of Tokyo and Hiroshima which did nothing besides suit propaganda purposes after the war.
No.1803830
>>1803812SBU/CIA and American state infighting. We've seen that America is completely willing to hit it's dogs if it suits America - they even shafted Israel's wishes on multiple occasions, and we had a recent event of USA blatantly saying to Ukraine to stop hitting Russian oil because of a threat of oil price increase as a result
No.1803854
>>1803739The theory is that they don't want this war to end quietly. It's better for them if Ukraine gets wiped out now so they can focus on Israel or start WW3 in Europe or elsewhere.
>>1803785That warning niether confirms nor denies their involvement if you consider plausable denialbility. If they actually cared about stopping the attack, they would've collaborated with the Russian intellegence on mutual footing.
No.1803871
>>1803739>heres no reason for america to do something this flagrant and inflammatoryTo show that there is a cost to keeping the conflict at a low simmer. Russia seems to have won, and western media are softening the blow to their audiences. Russia has little incentive to not finish the job.
The more exhausted Ukraine is, the more it costs to maintain the war effort, in money, people and politics. Western backers want out. So why would the RF end the conflict when Ukraine is rapidly losing all their negotiating cards to play during a settlement?
The answer is this and the threats of long range missiles. Both are thinly veiled threats of more direct NATO involvement and a willingness to do nuclear brinkmanship if necessary. I don't think that France is going to send troops, but the bluster makes the "what else" easier to accept. NATO missiles, operated by NATO in all but name. NATO planes driven by(and from) NATO in all but name. NATO asymmetrical warfare in all but name.
Now the ball in in the RF's court to call their bluff, or blame "extremism" and cuck out.
No.1803876
>>1803829>Warnings for these sort of attacks are notoriously ineffectiveThey can't be less effective than saying nothing, especially in this case where they led directly to other attacks being thwarted.
>it did the same thing prior to the bombings of Tokyo and Hiroshima which did nothing besides suit propaganda purposes after the war.Yeah well the Americans couldn't exactly pin the atomic bombings on a third party could they? If they're acting through Islamist proxies then they already have sufficient plausible deniability. Sending a warning would only increase the risk of the attack being stopped.
No.1803880
>>1803797>until they become a conventional force and get state powermaybe, but i dont really see that happening. ISIS having a state seemed like a very circumstantial thing dependent on the height of the syrian civil war/the US funding & arming of so many islamist groups converging with the endgame of US occupation of Iraq in which so many of the former baathist forces & iraqi fedayeen were well positioned to fill the power gap. at this point i dont think turkey, who has mostly already gotten what they wanted in terms of free reign in northern syria, or israel, which is on extremely shaky ground, would tolerate the reemergence of ISIS as a serious player, & i suspect iran would be more aggressive with their support of anti-ISIS forces than they were last time given the decline in american hegemony in the region in the last decade. and all of that is assuming there is still the social and political base for ISIS to reemerge as an actual state instead of disparate groups with the same brand, and i am very skeptical that base still exists at all, i think theyve been exhausted and destroyed whatever tacit acceptance of their presence had initially existed
No.1803894
This attack is a nothing, a distraction, maybe the Ukrainian SBU lashing out in it's death throes. Russia has been decimating everything on the front over the past 3 days - this is the real story. They are poised to make the most decisive moves since the conflict began. The Moscow attack is irrelevant in the bigger picture. We are happooning-brained to be even talking about it.
No.1803913
>remember, no russian.
No.1803939
>>1803913>COD memeback to reddit
No.1803946
>>1803723I got accused by the same guy too lol
No.1803949
>>1803783I hate how tiktoks take like 20 seconds to get to the point. Wtf is the point of short form content if it's just drawn out anyway
No.1803954
>>1803783>who cares about the specific ways and reasons everything is happening when it can be summarized?!??!actual shit for brains way of thinking
No.1803967
>>1803803>>1803800You are the liberals. Westoids pay taxes to ISIS. The reaction– denialism and obfuscation, jeering, etc.– I've seen from westoids here and elsewhere in the face of this obvious imperialism proves me correct.
No.1803975
>>1803894real estate
>location, location, locationhappenings
>timing, timing, timing No.1803981
>>1803967>westoidsthe problems of being a "socialist imageboard" and not a marxist one
No.1804034
>>1803977>>1803981>>1803800>>1803803all of you have historical agency
No.1804044
>>1804034doing a tumblr bit about responsibility but with third worldism
No.1804054
>>1804044it's a fuggin fact. you are bound by material circumstances, sure, but you are also class-conscious and it is in a way your duty as a historical actor to act on that. unless of course you want to shut up about it
No.1804061
>>1804044to add,it's retarded that you are throwing a fit over our use of the word "responsibility" like it's a normative thing instead of an obvious fact to actual materialists
No.1804101
>>1803829>Warnings for these sort of attacks are notoriously ineffective I think the glowies get wind of something cooking with either human sources or signals intelligence, so they knew something was up but can't predict when or where exactly. They figured ISIS was going to take a shot at Russia and the embassy made an alert earlier in March for American citizens residing in Russia (to the extent there are very many) to avoid large crowds and concert venues, while also warning the Russia government because of international treaties (which Russia also did prior to an attack by two radicalized Chechen brothers in Boston).
Around the same time, National Guard troops hit the New York subway checking people's bags, purportedly to deter "crime." If you rub some brain cells together, this was obviously related.
Intelligence agencies also lie. A lot. But they can also be right about something, and when they are, they make sure to let people know because it's a win for them. Anytime Russia is right about something they sure as fucking shit make sure everyone knows about it. Anons really don't have to make up 4d chess shit about it – I know, always a shocker when white nations have a hard time fathoming how poorly resourced "üntermenschen" could pull off such an attack. (Much like in 9/11 it was hard for many Americans to accept that a rag-tag group of jihadists operating from Afghanistan could just hijack a plane and ram it on a tower.) This attack smells of Anglo-Saxon treachery!
Or it was an FSB false flag! (This is what the liberal forums are saying.) Putin killed his own people so he has a reason for mass mobilization. But ultimately the question there is "does this make people want to join the army en masse?" and the answer weirdly is still no even when you dogdick the brains of your own people and useful idiots in an information war.
No.1804207
>>1804101Conspiratorial take, unsuprisingly. It's likely less complicated
>NATO and Ukraine need a distraction from their total incompetence and coming capitulation>terrorism happens No.1804208
I have found a fuller, or maybe different version of the phone video. NSFL obviously. Blood, knifing and death.
Source (Is this an official ISIS site?). Seems like the sort of web browsing that puts one on a list though:
https://i3lm.com.ng/462256/ No.1804214
>>1804208Well there go the Allahu Ackbars. I guess we cross out that theory.
>>1803205>There were no shouts - not even a single Allahu Akbar. No.1804217
>>1804208does anyone has the translation of that?
No.1804221
>mentions cia
>is an attack on russia
wow people here are better than I thought. I thought some anti social retard would mention that certain something. But no one here hasn't
No.1804224
>>1804208I hope the piece of shit with the knife is the same one that the people of Kadyrov found and cut off his ear to feed to him
>>1803581Fucking sadist vermin should feel what the pain they inflict on others is like
No.1804280
>>1804214They also don't look like they're trained at all. They were just wandering around in a big clump, not even carring their weapons at the ready. ISIS-inspired kooks is looking more and more like the most likely explanation.
No.1804282
>>1803939>/pol/ memeSTFU and GTFO
No.1804297
>>1803742this khorasan province thing is mostly focused on central asia-ish, so weird reprisal for russia and the taliban courting each other could be the most likely cause
No.1804301
>>1803913oh wait nvm, some idiot mentioned it
No.1804364
I wonder who could be behind this?
No.1804365
>>1804208>knifed guy rolls overpoor guy they knifed was probably just playing dead and trying to wait it out
No.1804377
>>1803913wtf is it with the “glowing anonymous” name?
No.1804405
After careful consideration, I think we can safely conclude that the burgers are behind this.
No.1804407
>>1804383No one has settled on an answer other than fucked up guns or fucked up ammo or both.
>bent barrels>bad casings>bad gunpowder>etc.Something causing some friction in the barrel for some reason most likely.
No.1804414
Maria Zakharova on her Telegram Channel
💬 "Official spokesperson of the US National Security Council, Adrienne Watson: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack in Krasnogorsk; the banned ISIS is to blame for everything.
If only they could figure out the assassination of their own President Kennedy so quickly. But no - over 60 years and they still can't determine who actually killed him. Maybe it was also ISIS? Or will they keep dragging it out for another 60 years, playing into any "constructive ambiguity"?
Or let's take the terrorist attack on the "Nord Stream." According to the US (and The New York Times cited comments from officials), Ukrainians were involved. However, later, American authorities "went silent." So, they are still rummaging around there looking for either Kiev or ISIS divers. Not a single word urging Denmark and Sweden to cease their search for the guilty parties from Washington has been uttered, and Russia's proposal for a UN-led investigation was blocked by Anglo-Saxons at the Security Council.
All of this suggests that the political elites of the US have become adept over the decades at skillfully diverting attention from high-profile crimes and various staging.
Therefore, until the investigation into the terrorist attack at "Crocus City Hall" is completed, any statement from Washington justifying Kiev should be considered as evidence. After all, the financing of terrorist activities by the Kiev organized crime group by American liberal democrats and involvement in corruption schemes by the Biden family have been going on for many years."
No.1804422
>>1804414>but what about… KENNEDY!!!They're not really sending their best
No.1804432
>fleeing to Ukraine (580 km)
>Lithuania (600 km)
>Finland (1.400 km)
>Chechnya (2.000 km)
>Tajikistan (2.800 km)
No.1804433
>>1803703It was a Hamas operation and the ((civilians)) were jews.
No.1804444
Damn. Can't Russians cope with the fact that some ISIS noobs did all of that while in war against another country?
No.1804449
>>1804422This website's folk is not very attentive, that is, to elaborate the claim, because Maria Zakharova has certainly made quite the underhanded insinuation there against certain actors .
No.1804511
>>1804362I wouldn't be surprised if he already believes in such conspiracies. Transfield also became an antisemite after leaving Maupins cult.
No.1804514
>>1804423
Can't believe this retard is still here posting this.
100% one of the jannies matrix buddies.
No.1804517
>>1804505did u print that?
No.1804556
>>1804553
Meds.
No.1804593
>>1804362>>1804511one can name french, german, italian, russian, chinese, middle eastern, 3rdworld(TM), eu, african oligarch families by name and link them to all sorts of atrocitities, crimes, corruption, conspiracies and so on and nobody gives a fuck but as soon as one dare to name actual american, british and/or jewish oligarch families and link them to some atrocious stuff in world politics it doesn't take a minute and a bunch of shitliberals jumps out of the woodwork and yells "antisemitism". every single time. the neckbeard up there didn't even mention jewish oligarchs he named a couple burger corporations and bankers in general which are literally other words for capitalists and bourgeoisie. i mean for communists it's kinda trivial, but he's not wrong.
No.1804594
>>1804553
<look I'm not friends with jannies, yes they might let me spam my schizophrenic void screaming onto leftypol all day but here I am 'criticising' them.
Sure buddy. Fuck off.
No.1804597
>>1804081what the fuck, this retard is actually on RT?
No.1804604
>>1804081>Haz Al-Din>Geopolitcal analyst Gets me every time
No.1804614
>>1804383Sorry, I've seen this get asked before and it's weird that none of you figured it out yet. Military-spec ammunition for AK pattern rifles often has a steel core, which is prone to making sparks, depending on what it impacts. You can see the exact same thing in those old videos the Russians used to upload of them putting down ISIS. It's also why a lot of gun ranges ban steel core ammo - it's a huge fire risk.
No.1804651
>>1803703>Have military and tactical capabilities to damage the Russian war effort what does it mean?
No.1804677
So, what do we know so far? Is*s claimed the attack, but they can claim all attacks on the planet, it's just good PR for them. Was it them or a "third party" paid them to do so?
The fact that an attack happened in Iran and now in Russia is just very, very suspicious.
No.1804709
>>1804362That guy isn't a communist anymore he said, but it's fucking retarded to think that anybody who talks about elites actually means Jews.
No.1804712
>>1804081Didn't he say that "the faggot" the widely acclaimed speaker, writer, journalist, and political analyst Caleb Maupin got him blacklisted at RT?
No.1804714
>>1804677>So, what do we know so far?THe video posted above is part of the claim. The media refuses to link to the source, and the site claiming to be an official ISIS site is actually blacklisted from most search engines. But the claim, is that ISIS has provided said videos and others, taken from the POV of the perpetrators as proof it was them.
IMO though, that changes nothing. ISIS and it's spinoffs act often as a western proxy anyway and as
>>1804280 mentions, it could just be another case of grooming some retards into doing the thing.
But, the warning was completely gratuitous. Bear in mind that none of these governments care one fucking iota about their regular citizens and any VIPs would be warned in private, as would the actual collaboration between agencies. So making the warning this public and having a clearly prepared media narrative be deployed since the warning and after it is very fucking suspicious.
No.1804720
>>1804714>it could just be another case of grooming some retards into doing the thing. One of the attackers said that he got promised 5000 USD on Telegram. How realistic is that? That guy must have been super fucking poor and desperate, if I needed money this much and I am willing to risk my life for this, I would just rob a few gas stations.
Also in the footage, the guys seemed trained. He also said that he got the weapons from "them", the Telegram people. This whole thing stinks, and the way in which Washington said ISIS is the
SOLE perpetrator is sus.
No.1804723
>>1804720>Also in the footage, the guys seemed trained. He also said that he got the weapons from "them", the Telegram people.They were also electrocution and cutting bits off of him so it's best not to take what he says as faced value.
No.1804726
>>1804723Not the ear guy, and he said that before they fried his nuts. Also, why would he lie in that situation
No.1804731
>>1804723Yeah, I'd treat anything coming off the RF PR as 100% self serving (as any other state would), including the identity of the perpetrators tbh.
No.1804735
>>1804731It's not good PR to cut someone's ear off and make him eat it. Also, at least one of the guys they caught was seen in the footage of the attack.
It would be self-serving if they'd force the guy to say that it was the Ukrainians.
No.1804741
>>1804723The ear guy and the FRIED guy are not the guy that confessed about the priest and the money.
No.1804744
Russophiles coping Russia in wartime couldn't stop a bunch of ISIS pussies, just like americophiles cope about 9/11 being an inside job instead of the giant fail that it was.
No.1804747
>>1804726The problem with torture is that the victim will say whatever. They're torturing khamas members rn in Israel and they're admitting to do the most stupid shit.
No.1804750
>>1804744multipolarism is a mental illness
No.1805001
>>1804735These torture videos are targeted towards the local idiot audience in Russia, which demands blood and believes anything the TV says.
Russians are amongst the dumbest and most blind adherents of a growing security nanny state that rivals Britain with facial recognition and online thoughtcrime filtering, yet is also so crude and amateurish when dealing with real threaths.
Most of them don't object that confessions under torture are worthless and whether they may end on the receiving end of executive arbitrariness.
No.1805035
>>1804709> it's fucking retarded to think that anybody who talks about elites actually means Jews.Reactoids are retarded.
I was saying that if you don't
specify who you mean when you vaguely talk about elites, reactoids will flock in and conclude it's da jooz.
No.1805039
>>1804614Anon that is when the steel bullet hits steel a steel target thats why they ban them at ranges. These rounds were shooting sparks right out of the barrel. That's flat out a defect of some kind.
No.1805044
>>1805035Anyways best answer I saw was these ads probably cane from a vat of cosmolene they were stored in and the barrels were bent and this is also why we see one of the barrels catch fire in one video because the cosmolene got ignited.
No.1805111
>>1803703Over 140 dead now, this is the largest mass shooting in history
No.1805118
>>1804407>>1804614>>1805039If they wanted that to happen they could have steel barrels (un-chromed) and something on the bullet that reacts with steel. It's not like they would need super precise ammo to do this kind of massacre.
No.1805119
>>1804377they added name filters for women's day and somebody got the idea to use a different set of names for tor users (they used women who suck like Thatcher) and then that turned into "glowing [name]" and then after women's day they left the "glowing" tag on tor users
No.1805157
I still think that it was SBU and some CIA involvement, they found some random Tajik's, offered them money and provided them with all the equipment and training, this attack took over a month of planning out, there is even a photo of one of the suspects on March 7th in the mall scouting it.
SBU already had assassinated Dugin's daughter, supplied a bomb to the women who blew up a cafe in Petersburg, and had stated that they will attack within Russia to strike fear.
What says they won't do this and just use ISIS as a cover up?
No.1805178
>>1805001>Nanny security state Well they are not on that level yet though. The event barely had any security, only a few guards equipped only with batons. When I was in Moscow I barely saw any cops and CCTVs.
I also disagree with you with your assessment of the Russian mentality. In Russia, carried over from Soviet times where there very little crime, there is some sort of inherent trust in the civil public order - like, you can walk home and night or leave your kids out for a bit without being worried that some crackhead with a gun is going to attack you, which causes the insane amount of paranoia in the United States. In the last 10 years or so, there was tons of compilations of "crazy Russians" one YouTube and whatnot, where you could see people being abducted in broad daylight, crazy road rage videos from a dashcam etc. - I always found that sus and a conceited effort to dehumanize them, because you could easily make such compilations with clips from a America, or let alone countries like India that is far more "crazy".
No.1805190
>>1805157I was saying ISIS-K earlier but some well-informed people say that ISIS-K is considered a Pakistani/Afghan group, which makes it odd if they're Tajiks (of which there's much ethnic crossover between Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan) so it's not the time to pin the tail on the terrorist donkey. Then they tried to escape while ISIS m.o. is generally to go down at the scene.
The kicker here being the guys who did the Crocus massacre are quick-hire mercenaries. Nothing special just desperate guys recruited to murder.
No.1805194
>>1805184
They got caught alive, they're not ISIS they're burger pawns.
No.1805200
I didn't expect that giving them the death penalty would be obstructive.
In China, killing someone basically warrants the death penalty. Let alone terrorists causing large-scale deaths
我没有想到给他们判处死刑会有阻碍
在中国，杀人基本就要偿命，杀一个人足以死刑，更不用说造成大量死亡的恐怖分子
No.1805208
>>1805190Two questions: 1. If they were untrained desperate people, how the fuck did they manage to kill more people than any other mass shooter? 2. If they were baited to do with 5000 USD, why the fuck didn't they just rob a gas station or two, instead of doing something so insane?
No.1805214
>>1805200The thing with death penalty is that it doesn't work. Not even considering the danger of frying the wrong guy, it also fails in terms of general prevention. Death penalty does not dissuade potential murderers from committing crimes, as they don't expect to get caught and spend their rest of their lives in prison anyway. There is a threshold after which you just don't really care anymore how severe the punishment actually is.
I can see the death penalty as a temporary measure in times of war and upheaval, where it becomes necessary to remove someone physically, but in peace times it shouldn't be a measure. Communists were always firm believers in rehabilitation and reform, despite what some edgy fuckers on this board say, as a Chinese you should know this as the Communists didn't kill Puyi Emperor but reformed him.
No.1805218
>>1805200In addition to
>>1805214 the issue isn't so much the death penalty as the "summary execution" nature of it and the manner in which it was carried out. Aside from the question of civil rights or whatever, they probably could have figured out more about what happened and why with a proper investigation. If you have a group of people out there capable of organizing something like this, who's to say they won't do it again? Response to terrorist attacks like this shouldn't just be to stop the imminent/ongoing attack but to deal with the larger threat.
No.1805226
>>1805214>Communists were always firm believers in rehabilitation and reformFor minor crimes not murder especially a mass killing event. They had the death sentence in most socialist states. China,DPRK,Vietnam still have it in the books.
>Communists didn't kill Puyi Emperor but reformed him.Emperor Puyi didn't personally killed masses of people and actually was quite aloof on what was happening outside of the palace. It wasn't until he was arrested he truly understood unlike these terrorist who went out of there way to slaughter innocent people and kept going as people begged.
No.1805235
>>1805208Possibilities:
(1) Sluggish, slow response from Russian cops. People who would've survived if they made it to a hospital sooner didn't.
(2) These people are like school shooters and grooming for violence is a reality used by many different groups. Find lonely lost young men and work them into becoming dead-end soldiers. It's like joining a cult that attracts weirdos and sociopaths which then isolates and brainwashes them under the guise of religion and sends them off to kill other people and themselves. There are people in the world willing to discard self-preservation and seek euphoria in which killing the enemy with the loss of your life is a very real scenario.
But it depends on who monetizes them most efficiently. Those who can signal, incite and prey on the weak-minded, crazy, desperate, stressed, bitterly angry and mentally ill to kill themselves for a cause. If you want to listen to something spooky it's Shamil Basayev at 5:35 here. He masterminded some of the worst terrorist attacks in Russia.
No.1805240
the way NYT is puffing up 'ISIS-K' who despite having 'global ambitions', have not been mentioned afaik in any major publication in any big way, glows like the sun
No.1805244
>>1805214 Puyi is a very important symbol. The significance of controlling a living Chinese emperor is known from local vassals a thousand years ago to the Japanese during World War II.
Due to the much smaller population of the Manchu ethnic group compared to the Han Chinese, there is much less pressure to retain a Manchu emperor from the monarchist faction.
In China, "immediate execution of the death penalty" generally means a genuine death sentence, while suspended death sentences are usually commuted to life imprisonment.
The death penalty serves to defend values and deter crime, but its actual impact is difficult to quantify with specific numbers (likewise, it is difficult to assess the extent to which abolishing the death penalty encourages criminals to surrender).
溥仪是一个很重要的象征，控制一个活着的中国皇帝的重要性从千年前的地方诸侯到二战的日本人都知道。
由于满族在中国的人口较汉族少很多，所以保留满族皇帝的命面临保皇派的压力要少很多
中国一般是“死刑立即执行”是真正的死刑，死缓基本都会在狱中减轻到无期。
死刑有捍卫价值观和威慑犯罪的作用，但是它起到的作用却很难能有具体的数字量化（同样废除死刑带来的鼓励罪犯投降也是很难评定它到底有多大作用）
No.1805281
>>1805190ISIS-K actually had a basis in urban Central Asia, as opposed to the rural base of the Taliban. It is not unimaginable for them to (attempt to) stage an attack in Moscow, they attempted to attack a synagogue recently in Moscow also. And it's not really outside of their capability to do this; a lot of elite counterinsurgency units of the former Afghan government joined IS-K after the Taliban takeover (this is partly why people called them glowies) nevertheless, it is true there are a lot of sketchy things about the Crocus City hall attack.
No.1805283
>>1804709"elites" is a politically correct form of "da jooz"
just some shadowy cabal responsible for all of the bad things in capitalism, instead of broader social forces
No.1805288
>>1805208Russian security forces suck ass aside from batoning civilians. They need like five minutes to beat women demanding their men can come home from war, but you can gun down the same civilians for half an hour without any government resistance.
No.1805290
>>1805283>"elites" is a politically correct form of "da jooz"I agree, but more like a stand-in substitute where antisemitism has become politically incorrect. Much like the more recently trendy parts of LGBT+ have inherited the "format" of prejudices previously used against homosexuality, despite liberals claiming that particular issue to be "solved". More like, "out of style".
No.1805312
>>1805283Retard, according to you Lenin was an antisemite because he talked about finance elites. Yes, I know that capital acts as an "automated subject" but there is still an subjective element in capitalism, especially in imperialism.
>just some shadowy cabal responsible for all of the bad things in capitalism, instead of broader social forcesConspiracies happen. Cabals happen.
It's also bad faith to allege "da joos" when they explicitly say they don't mean Jews. Zionists pull this shit all the time.
No.1805319
>>1805290Someone on reddit linked the following:
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1bmyf0k/bizarre_photo_of_the_russian_isisk_terrorists/kwfhwg0/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_City_Hall_attack#Investigation>State Duma deputy Alexander Khinshtein said that Tajik passports were discovered in the vehicle of the individuals in custody,[26] and the Russian Telegram channel Baza identified the four attackers as citizens of Tajikistan.[86] The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Tajikistan denied the involvement of three of its citizens, stating that the individuals named in the discovered passports had returned to Tajikistan months earlier and were working there.[87][88]The page of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Tajikistan, in it's non-english editions has some relevant articles(machine translated):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Internal_Affairs_(Tajikistan)https://www.vkd.tj/index.php/ru/
<Operational news https://www.vkd.tj/index.php/ru/sobytiya/37714-khabahdgr23ri-favr-2>A message has circulated in the media of the Russian Federation that the Department of Internal Affairs for the Bryansk Region, in connection with the terrorist act committed on March 22, 2024 in the city of Moscow, has put the following citizens of the Republic of Tajikistan on the official wanted list on suspicion of committing particularly serious crimes:
>1. Islomov Rivodzhiddin born 09/25/1972>2. Nasriddinov Makhmadrasul born November 20, 1986, residents of the J. Balkhi district of Khatlon region, however, this message has no basis in reality.>Because the above-mentioned arrived from the Russian Federation to the Republic of Tajikistan on November 26, 2023 and are at their place of residence.
<Continuation of the operational message https://www.vkd.tj/index.php/ru/sobytiya/37716-idomai-khabari-favr-2>Third person, citizen of the Republic of Tajikistan: Nazarov Rustam Isroilovich, born 01/02/1995. a resident of the city of Bokhtar, Khatlon region, currently operates in the city of Samara, Russian Federation, as a driver of passenger transport (taxi). At the time of the terrorist act, he was in the city of Samara and has nothing to do with this crime. No.1805321
>>1805214>Death penalty does not dissuade potential murderers from committing crimesit literally kills the guy who committed the murder so at the very least it stops him from murdering other people (since he’s dead)
No.1805401
>>1804383>>1804383>>1804407>>1805118>>1805039>>1804614You're all wrong and demonstrated that you live in a gun-cucked country, never having shot firearms in your lives.
This is partially unburnt powder residue. Quite common and normal for cheap, old ammo. You can't see it in broad daylight most of the time, but rather indoors, where where it tends to be darker.
Most ranges ban steel core Warshaw Pact surplus ammo, because steel tends to ricochet, when hitting steel targets, which is a danger. Some ranges are just retarded and believe steel core has supposedly super penetrating capabilities that would destroy their range – even if they don't have steel targets.
Normal Eastern Bloc ammo doesn't have hardened steel cores though, so it's basically not much different than lead. It's definitely less toxic though. Lead poisoning is very common among NATO soldiers. They only prefer lead, because it requires less heat to melt than steel. Ergo they poison their soldiers and pollute the environment to save some short-term pennies in production. Typical crapitalists.
No.1805415
>>1805401gun owner here, shitty powder does indeed seem far more plausible than somehow sticking a 5.45 break on a 7.62 barrel as one anon was suggesting
No.1805421
Can we word filter ISIS-K to "CIA" please?
ISIS doesn't exist except for a bunch of sub 75 autism score retards talked into mass murder by CIA operatives
No.1805423
>>1805421>ISIS doesn't exist except for a bunch of sub 75 autism score retards talked into mass murder by CIA operativesSource?
No.1805428
Uyghurs please…
Even the Manchester bomber in England was ratlined to Libya by Mi6 to overthrow Ghadaffi.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/counter-terrorism-officials-allowed-manchester-bomber-to-operate-in-libya-warzoneIslamic terror is a Anglo-israeli creation to justify their foreign policy in the same way FBI hands out guns to mentally ill young men so they'll go shoot up a school
<There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia. It is this third, neo-Cold War battle that made U.S. foreign policy makers decide to take the risk of arming Islamist rebels in Syria, because Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, is a key Russian ally. Rather embarrassingly, many of these Syrian rebels have now turned out to be ISIS thugs, who are openly brandishing American-made M16 Assault rifles.…
<ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran.<America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance.https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/06/all-the-evidence-point-to-the-fact-that-isis-was-created-by-the-us-israel-and-funded-by-saudi-arabia/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq No.1805436
>>1805415Of course, a too small muzzle brake would either be blown off by the first shot or explode the barrel.
I see these sparks all the time in the indoor gun range, where I occasionally practice. I always check my guns for damage and there is none.
No.1805437
>>1805423>>1805425why are you reposting state department propaganda?
has russia claimed it was ISIS?
No.1805439
Guys trust me ISIS are just totally natural Islamic terrorists. Please ignore the fact that they’re almost always pasty white in appearance, use an ENGLISH ACRONYM for an Egyptian pagan deity as their name, and just so happen to never attack the Imperial Core…
No.1805442
>>1805439>use an ENGLISH ACRONYM for an Egyptian pagan deity as their nameAre you really that Anglo-centric and retarded, or is this bait? The name of ISIS in other countries like France is Daesh, and in Arabic it's الدولة الإسلامية which means "State of Islam".
No.1805443
>>1805442Which conveniently appeared absolutely nowhere in the Arab world or anywhere else until a couple years later when the feds realized ISIS was too on the nose. “Daesh” is uttered by nobody except spokespeople for America’s gulf state allies
No.1805446
why does this radical islamist and antisemetic group "ISIS" never attack israel? shouldn't that be like their main thing or something? why do they only attack america's and israel's enemies?
No.1805449
>>1805443Love this bit you're doing.
Unlike most trolling here genuinely funny.
No.1805598
Survivor account indicated the FSB took the U.S. alert seriously and which contradicts a narrative I've seen in pro-NATO/Ukraine spaces that Putin wanted to do a false flag or just dismissed it.
>>1805460I think ISIS is a tool for the U.S. (or France) in the sense that America can go to a country in Africa and say "we'll help you kick these guys asses" in exchange for building a drone base and keeping the Russians out and being on Team America and integrating into the American "system." Then the generals in Niger got tired of this game and kicked the Americans out. But it's not the first time ISIS has killed dozens of troops in an ambush there.
The counter-narrative is that the region is fucked up because the U.S. (and France) was there, but now they're gone and it's going to get worse, which means the CIA is behind it? But the U.S. is in retrenchment. ISIS is a McDeath franchise model that goes to anywhere they can get a toehold, extorts the locals, counts not on the leadership, and targets anyone and anything for regeneration and flow. Because they can, because they have a self-funding mechanism, and there's no plan to stop them and so it's going to get worse. States have also been wrongfooted by terrorist attacks before which forced them into large, disastrous responses and bureaucratic situations that grind down their own resources and support for the governments.
No.1805635
>>1805439Anon ISIS isn't even their official name anymore. They changed it to just "Islamic State," and a lot of US officials including Obama referred to them as "ISIL". People just continue to call them "ISIS" out of habit and because its recognizable.
No.1805641
>>1805627Retweeting nations' embasies is cuck behaviour
No.1805647
>>1805641no but caring about it is
>i will not retweet this funny meme because… le embassy tweeted it No.1805650
riddle me this ziggers what does the us have to gain from this
No.1805655
>>1805650>what does the US gain by causing instability in a country they’re trying to destabilize/isg/ is proof that containment doesn’t work, delete that shitty thread
No.1805682
>>1805627It must be remembered that despite the modern visual methods and sadism, terrorism is still a old trick designed to drag larger clumsy forces into a prolonged conflict and to turn the population by overreaction. Something that is as old as warfare and worth keeping in mind if Putin wants to weave the attack into his narrative and go harder on Ukraine, just as Bush used 9/11 to attack Afghanistan and then tried to link Saddam to AQ.
No.1805710
>>1805190the K refers to Khorasan, which historically included plenty of central asia outside of afghanistan
No.1805835
>>1805650Destabilize the russian nation
No.1805843
CUCKTIN RESPOND BY LOBBING >200 NUKES IN A BEELINE FROM NEW YORK TO MIAMI OR ELSE CUCK
No.1805870
>>1805627buck wild that an embassy is posting this hilarious shit
No.1805909
>>1805650the opposite of stabilization
No.1805921
>>1805650Russian nationalists chimping out
They got what they wanted btw
No.1805963
>>1805870>buck wild that an embassy is posting this hilarious shitA lot embassies post such things.
They're staffed by freaks who don't have real job and are so heavy in their twitter addictions, reinforced by news media and their circles of failspawn friends, that they believe everyone's on twitter and that's the way to act.
Retards faggots who sit in an office with mac'books' and suits stuck in their gay bobo echo chamber.
No.1805969
>>1805240theyre pretty well known in pakistan
No.1806104
>>1805650Create distrust between the people and the government and also Russians and (muslim) ethnic minorities with the maximum program of stoking a civil war in the RF.
No.1806188
>>1805446They did, once, by accident, and apologized for it. Really makes you think. They also receive healthcare in Israel and Turkey.
No.1806232
>>1805226No way are we doing Puyi apologia, dude was an enthusiastic collaborator of the Japanese and the only reason he was spared was not because he was actually innocent but because Mao wanted to have the last monarch say in public that he supported the People's Republic to permanently BTFO monarchism.
No.1806544
Oh look CIA-Narco-Organ and Child Trafficking Ukrainian State also welcomes "ISIS"(CIA) because they fought against Russia in Syria (now against Russia in Ukraine).
<How Ukraine became the unlikely home for Isis leaders escaping the caliphate
<Al Bara Shishani’s dramatic reappearance in the dock of a court room in central Kiev was shocking not only for the fact of how alive he was.
<As details emerged about his miraculous resurrection – how he dodged what had been reported as a fatal air strike in Syria, then used a fake passport to travel to Turkey and Ukraine, where he would live untroubled for two years – a number of questions came begging about Kiev’s capacity and willingness to deal with terrorists taking shelter within.
<According to the SBU, Ukraine’s admittedly unreliable security agency, Al Bara Shishani even continued to coordinate Isis terror operations from Kiev. .
<In 2013, for example, Chatayev was able to return to Pankisi despite being subject to an Interpol wanted notice.
<And Ukraine, once again, is key to understanding how he did it..
<Ukraine offers several advantages over the competition too: the common Russian language, chaos of war, unprofessionalism of local security services, and the low risk of extradition to countries such as Russia.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-leaders-ukraine-tukey-syria-caliphate-al-bara-shishani-a9211676.html No.1806545
>>1805921Be for real. We are retarded. What do we GAIN from it??? Not "did USA successfully provoke Russia further". No operational let alone strategic gains from the tactical (the tactic being killing random civilians anon :3 this is not a new tactic) success here. We are talking about people who do not understand anything other than pain compliance and bombs
No.1806696
>>1805460Back in the 70s Hoxha was writing about how terrorism is always a bourgeois tool to prepare for fascism. He didn't have false flags in mind, but in hindsight it's obvious.
No.1806700
>>1805641copy pasting an image is not retweeting
No.1806761
>2050
>90% of people are social media addicts who work in office
>the remaining 10% of grass touchers continue to cope by insisting that the other 90% are weird and not normal
No.1807120
ISIS-K, who have become famous because of this attack, have also formulated and extensive manifesto again China, as well as Russia and Iran. Mass murder and terrorism against Chinese in mainland China is to be expected soon.
No.1808100
>>1806700Look carefully at the image
No.1808116
>>1808091holy shit i didn't know Obama was this powerful
No.1808118
>>1808116I mean he literally is the reason Biden won the last primary and became president instead of Bernie.
No.1809248
>>1808210Awesome, looking forward to every dipshit liberal saying "that's a right wing talking point" now.
No.1809256
>>1807120I doubt the Chinese intelligence services are as incompetent as Russia's
No.1810538
>>1809256this I doubt the chinese would take an hour to respond to a mass shooting
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