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The Soviet Archive Historian 03/05/2020 (Thu) 08:20:55 No. 86 [Reply]
Where do you find a comprehensive access to the Soviet archive? I really want to do more research using primary source to debunk reactionaries and Wehraboos. But trawling through the entire thing is just so time consuming. There’s a recurring problem with modern history books (and other entertainment forms) in the Anglo sphere where they always cite Cold War era history works which in turn cite Nazi, gusanos or just made up garbage (The gulag archipelago being the biggest one).
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>>90 Here's another Russian archive: http://istmat.info/
>>91 Welp. All the more reason to finally learn Russian.
>>86 Somebody edit this image and replace fat nk piggy with stalin or something
Ask Zemskov
>>88 what? it's not that hard to get access you say you are doing research for a paper and that is it

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The truth about Stalin Comrade 07/15/2020 (Wed) 17:34:14 No. 2473 [Reply]
I want to learn more about the dogmatism that surrounds Stalin in socialism by looking at the actual historical evidence. I know there are books by Grover Furr that discuss this subject. but I want to additionally know what are some books with direct counter-arguments to Grover Furr's claims, and which of Grover Furr's books I should read first. any suggestions? pic unrelated.
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>>6032 Oh and one more thing: What's suspicious to me is that while they call Furr an irrelevant crank, the academic history community has gone out of their way to excessively debunk Holocaust deniers like Irving. With Furr, they don't do this, which gives the indication that there is probably some meat to his arguments.
He was the asshole of the group. He didn't have a firm line and shifted often to the position that was to be favored by the majority. His first concern was to secure power for himself and then everything else was to be done. He also kinda turned marxism-leninism into a creed, not to be further developed.
>>6034 However this is to say, the "opposition" was no real alternative, as they were a bunch of armchair fags loving to endlessly debate, yet not doing anything proper. They wouldn't have industrialized the country in time and probably would be annihilated by nazi Germany. They were dengists before Deng (especially Bukharin).
>>6035 However again, Trotsky was calling for more power to the industry already at the end of 1922, when NEP went into full force and he was against a huge compromise with the peasantry. Trotsky established the victorious Red Army, he could perhaps also be competent in dealing with Nazis - maybe even more so and would avoid catastrophic defeats in Minsk, Kyiv, Leningrad ...
>>6032 I recall Grover Furr early in his research went in expecting some of the liberal propaganda to be true and was shocked at how it was mostly made up and that gave him his conviction that it's all bullshit You can hear the shock in his voice when he says it, like he was reliving that moment of truth

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Free Trade vs. Protectionism Anonymous 11/17/2020 (Tue) 14:09:54 No. 5954 [Reply]
<The question of Free Trade or Protection moves entirely within the bounds of the present system of capitalist production, and has, therefore, no direct interest for us socialists who want to do away with that system. >Indirectly, however, it interests us inasmuch as we must desire as the present system of production to develop and expand as freely and as quickly as possible: because along with it will develop also those economic phenomena which are its necessary consequences, and which must destroy the whole system: misery of the great mass of the people, in consequence of overproduction. This overproduction engendering either periodical gluts and revulsions, accompanied by panic, or else a chronic stagnation of trade; division of society into a small class of large capitalist, and a large one of practically hereditary wage-slaves, proletarians, who, while their numbers increase constantly, are at the same time constantly being superseded by new labor-saving machinery; in short, society brought to a deadlock, out of which there is no escaping but by a complete remodeling of the economic structure which forms it basis. >From this point of view, 40 years ago Marx pronounced, in principle, in favor of Free Trade as the more progressive plan, and therefore the plan which would soonest bring capitalist society to that deadlock. But if Marx declared in favor of Free Trade on that ground, is that not a reason for every supporter of the present order of society to declare against Free Trade? If Free Trade is stated to be revolutionary, must not all good citizens vote for Protection as a conservative plan? >If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. >The wage laborer everywhere follows in the footsteps of the manufacturer; he is like the "gloomy care" of Horace, that sits behind the rider, and that he cannot shake off wherever he go. You cannot escape fate; in other words, you cannot escape the necessary consequences of your own actions. A system of production based upon the exploitation of wage labor, in which wealth increases in proportion to the number of laborers employed and exploited, such a system is bound to increase the class of wage laborers, that is to say, the class which is fated one day to destroy the system itself. In the meantime, there is no help for it: you must go on developing the capitalist system, you must accelerate the production, accumulation, and centralization of capitalist wealth, and, along with it, the production of a revolutionary class of laborers. Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market. - Engels, writing in 1888 https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/index.htm The world has changed, free trade has enabled countries like China to build up its productive forces. However, the "necessary consequences" do not seem to have materialised fully. Along with free trade, we have gotten increased inter-dependence, exchange of information, global policing, surveillance, etc. How can the proletariat of one country stand up against its national bourgeoisie if there are countries willing to ignore sovereignty and help the counter-revolutionaries? These things seemed more possible when each and every person was not tracked and listened to through a cell phone or laptop. Engels says that in Marx's time the free trade position was the revolutionary one? Does that still hold true today?
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>>5957 how can you have a free flow of goods and services without a race to the bottom in terms of wages, whatever country has the lowest wages is where industry will relocate
>>5954 Engels really nails it on the head, but it requires some detangling. Ultimately, the question is dubious in so much that whichever sort of trade the bourgeoise decide, it will never be in service of us. We can only benefit through trade's side effects. Engels in his support of protection, holds ambivalence, and justifies the policy practically. In practice, protection generates more wage labourers, thus protection is beneficial in this sense. Seeing that free trade and protection are themselves not absolutes, it makes it hard to scrutinise which policy to support like Marx & Engels. Many people can give their economic reasons for supporting either case, but within the practical context of developing class power, the answer is dubious. I know in the case of Trump's protectionism, which is the most recent example of protection, it did significantly increase the amount of wage labourers. The United States is a post-industrial economy. Its uses of protection is purely political in nature. While at the same time, free trade has come with the effects of deindustrialisation and the degradation of living standards.
>>5998 *did not
>>5980 what difference does it make. there will at least be some countries where the quality of life is good enough so that people will fight back against the drastic reforms against workers that are inevitable under capitalism.
>>6003 Those reforms are impossible when porky can move factories from one place to another, in fact it makes class struggle impossible, just look as the state of UAW.

Historical Documentary General Historian 03/05/2020 (Thu) 01:47:31 No. 94 [Reply]
This will be a thread for posting and sharing Documentaries about history as a whole. I was sitting around watching Step back and I realized it has been a while since I have seen any of those old BBC like documentaries about historical figures. Doesn't have to be older though. If you have any Youtube links or torrents to look up post them here. Thanks anons.
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DW in spanish just posted this documentary about German Rocket Scientists in Mobutu's Zaire. It's pretty interesting to see how Elon Musk could have ended if the political door he needed were closed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB26MHTC3Xs Or invidio https://invidio.us/watch?v=HB26MHTC3Xs (Those fuckers in DW spanish put 5 ads meanwhile in DW english there is only one, fuck them)
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Found out that Marx Reloaded is on Youtube, a documentary film I always wanted to watch but never could find: https://youtu.be/o1ZVv0I7DH8
An hour long, fucking amazing documentary about the rise of the islamic empires and their decline into anti scientific quasi isolationism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60JboffOhaw
I found this on youtube regarding the Internationale, short but really good. The bit with the Communard in the USSR is amazing, never knew they lived that long but it makes sense, only 46 years. Also love the bit with the different communist leaders in the 1930s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKq5UN9sjqU
A good overall documentary on the History of Neoliberalism https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLATIVW2S3zKMbVlnAHAPR0sHZisHJl4fd

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TSSI Comrade 11/22/2020 (Sun) 04:17:31 No. 5995 [Reply]
Any enthusiasts of it on the board? I have read a good chunk of Andrew Kliman's Reclaiming Marx's Capital, but I admit that it mostly clears the deck of red herrings rather than makes an argument for a rigorous mathematical formulation of marxist economics. In particular it does explicitly formulate how the tprf leads to recurring recessions (directly or indirectly). I have an electronic copy of the pic book but haven't read it yet.
*it does NOT explicitly formulate

Is "The Poverty of Philosophy" full of slander ahd lies? Comrade 10/05/2020 (Mon) 22:18:04 No. 4896 [Reply]
https://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/review-poverty-philosophy-karl-marx This article claims that Marx's "Poverty of Philosophy" is just a slanderous book that has nothing to do with Proudhon's real theories. Marx doesn't properly quote Proudhon or openly strawmans him. His claims about Proudhon being bad economist in the begining of the book sound laughable since Proudhon was respected economist in his time. >Comparing Marx’s “reply” to what Proudhon actually wrote, it is hard to take the former seriously. Once the various distortions and inventions are corrected, little remains. Proudhon was right to suggest Marx’s work was “a tissue of crudities, slanders, falsifications, and plagiarism.” (Correspondance [Paris: Lacroix, 1875] II: 267-8) Worse, Marx himself twenty years later embraces in Capital most of the positions he attacks Proudhon for holding in 1847. >The dishonesty of The Poverty of Philosophy has distorted our view of Proudhon’s ideas and the time is long overdue for a revaluation of Proudhon and his contributions to anarchism and the wider socialist movement. This does not mean that Marx does not, occasionally, presents a valid point – most obviously, Proudhon’s opposition to strikes was wrong as subsequent anarchists recognised – it is just that these are frustratingly few in the midst of so much distortion. So, yes, Proudhon’s mutualism – a form of market socialism based on worker-run co-operatives – does need to be critiqued but Marx’s book is simply not that work. are there any counter arguments to this?
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>>4910 C4SS's reply basically just repeats what was already attacked in the original article by Mueller (which is a good read btw). All this makes me even more sure that The Poverty of Philosophy is not slander.
There is a lot of value in the book. It features: A clear explanation of the hegelian system The failures of the hegelian system Incredibly entertaining polemic (Marx will literally work a joke into the structure of his argument and hit you with it 2 pages later) Creates a clear refutation of market socialism. It does contain some straw men of M. Proudhon but it's worth the read regardless.
>>4901 First thing he does in the video is talking about "muh dictatorship of proletariat is bad because it is dictatorship and not democracy". It is a retarded lib video, not worth wasting your time even watching.
>>5006 no, he doesn't he says that MLs are communists and as communists they should support direct democracy (at least somewhere in the future) and not to openly support dictatorship which is what Politsturm did in their article. also, he isn't a lib but an anarchist
btw, is "The philosophy of Misery" by Proudhon worth of reading?

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Comrade 11/20/2020 (Fri) 16:33:43 No. 5976 [Reply]
Is it fine to read translations of Adorno? What are the best ones? I've heard his works are difficult to translate correctly.

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Libertarian marxist? Comrade 04/06/2020 (Mon) 13:08:36 No. 433 [Reply] [Last]
I'm not sure sure where I sit on the left exactly because i am very sympathetic to alot of ansyn and mutualist anarchist models and also strongly center my belifes around the labor theory of value but I don't belive in the dissolution of the state but instead the state only existing as a democratic and transparent beuracratic entity that can mediate between potential disputes between communes and plan for projects that would involve multiple communes coperation Would it be apt to refer to this as libertarian Marxism?
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>>2257 I don’t think it’s /a/ and /v/ as much as it is stupidpolyps and chapoids.
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Lib-Marx is pretty viable since I believe the state should be restructured to be horizontal rather than hierarchical as it would reflect the socialist mode of production. Take the Zapatista municipalities for instance, since there style of governing is summed up in their motto: "Here the people give the orders and the government obeys". Luxemburg's stressing of socialist democracy also is an idea I resonate with when reading her work, and Marx himself saw the Paris Commune as a DotP. I think it makes sense for a state to be reduced in power, operate on radical, direct democracy, and be ran by the people themselves as an entire class, without individual leaders dominating all.
Situ, Post-situ and autonomism is severely underrated and highly relevant to our current problems; both in terms of analysis of capital that has become increasingly dependent on data mining and controlling vectors of information, but also in terms of how we organize better, with a baseline understanding of contemporary cybernetic skills competent international reach and needed organizational complexity.
>>5606 They are not underrated, you are just hanging out with imbeciles.

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Pedagogy and /leftypol/ Comrade 04/17/2020 (Fri) 17:25:33 No. 1136 [Reply] [Last]
Are there any teachers here? If so, how do you work with your curricula to insert your chosen beliefs? And what is the most based methodology and pedagogy? >t. Primary School, Y 4-5, we play "Red Leader" which is basically capture the flag but with special rules, and I put up lots of posters about "working together" and "team work".
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>>5907 >everyone is influenced by others >so you should shower kids with propaganda Right.
>>5909 Yes? Isnt that the whole point of political activism?
>>5921 Maybe if you're a sociopath with zero morals.
>>5932 What? Do you think the bullshit they get taught in school now isnt propaganda? Have you ever taken a highschool economics or history class?
>>5933 I don't believe that anybody here would contest that those are propaganda. The question isn't what the ruling class does, it's what we should do. Now it's possible that there's some talking past each other and that people are using words (like "propaganda" or "influence") differently. But I would say that (1) teachers can never be truly neutral even if they try (for instance they must select what materials students are presented with, and so on), but also that (2) there's a difference between teaching students to think particular conclusions and to think critically and , and that there's a danger in pursuing the former to the degree that it harms the latter. The goal of critical thinking isn't to produce a truly "independent" thinker. A smart, reflective, curious, critical person who happens to be gentry in Song dynasty China is going to think a lot differently than a smart, reflective, curious, critical person who works in a meatpacking plant in nineteenth-century Argentina - or whatever. But their common qualities also mean that they're not just going to blindly and automatically produce what's given to them, either. They're going to, ideally, look at a wide array of what's in front of them and produce something new out of it. And we need this as a species a lot more than we need people who can repeat a slogan - even a *correct* slogan - for a teacher before going on to repeat another slogan for another teacher.

will translate any russian text under 20k words Comrade 05/18/2020 (Mon) 22:38:49 No. 1688 [Reply]
it should take me a couple of days max to do so. drop links, pdfs, images if it's larger than 20k lmk and i'll think about it i'll also do belarusian if needed
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>>2719 This one seems to be good. "Main features of cybernetics"
http://lenincrew.com Could you translate anything by the Lenin Crew? Maybe something that stands out to you? I'm not sure if the Google translation is good enough, but I would like a confirmation if it is accurate. If you could, I would like your thoughts and opinions on the website. Or, if you are busy and cannot do any of my requests, I would at least ask you to translate this: http://lenincrew.com/imperialism-and-the-transformation-of-values-into-prices/ Although I am welcome to a translation of a work that you deem to be much more important.
Requesting translations of these images posted in their respective comment sections: https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=translation_request+russian_text
>>1688 hey op, could you contact me via [email protected] about some translation work. you can do it anonymously if you wish.


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