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Anonymous 04/09/2021 (Fri) 10:02:17 No. 1333134 [Reply]
The reason why we have wars is because it's profitable to the ruling elite, this has always been the case and will always be the case. To think that human being were somehow different is to delude yourself and to presume that you are somehow above the system, which your kind has always thrived under. Don't presume that you are somehow better than the system just because you can see it and hate it. You're just another of its tools. The ills of the modern world are the result of too much freedom. The less freedom the individual has, the better. A strong ruler is a necessary evil in order to maintain order. A free society only results in chaos and destruction. You can enjoy your rights, but do not take them for granted. To do so is to be weak. That's all I have to say on the matter.
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>>1333134 >The reason why we have wars is because it's profitable to the ruling elite, this has always been the case yes i agree >and will always be the case. Disagree, war and imperial elites will go extinct
>>1333152 The reason why the War for Independence happened in the first place is because the British were attempting to extract more money from the colonies through taking away their firearms. Without guns, there is no independence. George Washington had his own personal firearms, and the army was entirely armed. The British didn't stand a chance. Additionally, the U.S. has never been a democracy. It's been a republic from the get-go. This isn't even a democracy now, it's an oligarchy, which is even worse.
>>1333153 >U.S. has never been a democracy. It's been a republic cringe boomer take A republic is representative democracy
>>1333154 well in the beginning those who were "represented" were landowners.
>>1333157 That doesn't change anything

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Question Anonymous 04/03/2021 (Sat) 10:39:16 No. 1332067 [Reply]
What type pf mental gymnastics do you have to do to defend this guy?
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>>1332562 >THE CAPITALISM IS A SYMPTOM OF URBAN SOCIETY. the other way round; historical materialism tends towards centres of production in cities. ruralism is fine if you want to be unproductive though and kill lots of people who depend on society's collective labour.
>>1332872 retarded
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>>1332067 I don't defend him. He was a murderous glown_gger who was swiftly crushed by Vietnam, supported by the Warsaw Pact and other Leninist countries, as soon as they chased off the Americans and the Chinese from raping their people. It serves the porky narrative to have a batshit insane "communist" to point and go >zomg le /pol/ pot killan fields gommunism whenever the slaves get a little too uppity.
>>1333131 >whenever the slaves get a little too uppity. Wow, Cambodia was fubar (f*&^ed up beyond all recognition). The Vietnamese were the real MVPs so to speak.
>>1333131 >Leninist countries

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"Iran Question" Under Socialism Anonymous 04/06/2021 (Tue) 16:27:50 No. 1332584 [Reply]
Despite how they claim humanitarian for liberating Iranian people,we all know that they only care about imperialism and we should oppose them But what if US become communist? What we should do about "far-right theocracy" of Iran? By comparison they are worse than West,at least they care about their people and science while they exploit their own people and deny science.Iran is literally like an government-corporation,where economy is dominated by highly-corrupt public-sector
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>>1332892 Goddamn that is hot
>>1332876 >Bruh I literally said that I actually live in iran, are you trying to educate me on my own country? Why not? Loads of Americans have fuck-all clue how the EC works. I've talked to other Iranians before who viewed the country differently, and all actual documented sources I can find say that Iran has a basic income. You're literally some guy on a chan claiming something with no evidence to back it up besides your being in Iran (which I believe is probably true, but also location spoofing is not that hard and whether or not you're in Iran is basically irrelevant). I've seen loads of Bolivians show up on American sites to claim that Morales wasn't couped, too, ya'll tend to come here to say nutty things. >>1332892 This is actually true though. Which is interesting - Islam has a long history of theological discussions on gender, and in Iran SRS was basically deemed as the least harmful option vs. stoning where you literally have to kill someone for buttsex. But yeah SRS in Iran isn't a symptom of Persian liberalism any more than pederasty in Arabia was some kind of progressive movement. For Iran, SRS was a technological solution to a superstitious moral problem.
>>1332956 >Which is interesting Okay, might be a bit of a out-of-nowhere reply, but you really shouldn't think about it like this, I don't think moralism should be the foundation of any leftist's beliefs as that can only lead to utopianism, but you shouldn't become so alienated from people in Iran that you see such a horrific state of affairs as this neat thing. In addition, I think you've gotten to caught up in the culture war surrounding anti-Imperialist support of these kinds of nations, and I say that as one such anti-Imperialist supporter of Iran against America, you should remember that is a purely strategic position. I hope you don't genuinely believe any dictatorship of the bourgeoise cares about the proles under it's care.
>>1332966 Yeah, the thing to remember about theocracy (and traditionalism in general) is its ability to be mindbogglingly oppressive in ways people from modern secular societies have difficulty understanding. For instance, while Iran and other backward fundie states are obviously legally explicit patriarchies that deny or restrict numerous rights of women: https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/ They also exhibit astonishing repressiveness against men even within the context of those exact patriarchal rules and institutions: https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/the-myth-of-patriarchal-oppression-in-iran/
>>1332763 >Only Dengtards and Duginoids would claim that Iran shouldn't have a proletarian revolution. The Islamic Republic was largely built on the CIA backed repression of Iranian socialists. If the USA became communist, then imperialism would no longer threaten Iran and it would make a proletarian uprising a million times easier.

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Was the USSR going to surpass the West? Anonymous 03/22/2021 (Mon) 21:28:38 No. 1330114 [Reply]
I've heard various claims about how the Soviet Union was set to surpass the US in output per capita or in living standard or some other metric by 2000 or 2015, but I've never seen where these claims come from. Are these estimates from American intelligence or Soviet planners? Do you think they are credible?
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>>1331565 >enforcing an embargo doesn't really need a navy. It's more like "Oh, you sold things to Cuba? Pity. Because I was going to sell other stuff to you." This is something SO MANY geopolitics LARPers fail to appreciate
>>1331592 This didn't work with Stalin that didn't want to trade with the west anyways as he feared the USSR economy getting contaminated by a second great depression in the west thus pressured the Soviet block and PRC to be self-reliant so their economies could still function if the western economy crashed that caused their supply lines to break down (like now).
>>1331565 >A strong blue water navy - in all seas - to break the trade embargo against Cuba would be just too much. The Cuban trade embargo wasn't their only objective, more like a general guaranty from naval blockades. >It would be smarter to register some post box company in Switzerland or Liechtenstein and trade that way They must have tried that ? >And enforcing an embargo doesn't really need a navy. The majority of countries would play middle man between ideological rivals. They would change a few shipping documents and resell banned American computer exports mislabeled as potatoes to the USSR. Without threatening a navy blockade it's a paper tiger. >True. But you can't run a company doing R&D if you can't evaluate what your employees does. There were a lot more engineers and scientists in communist parties than in the capitalist class. The intellectual background of the capitalists comes from lawyers, economists, marketing experts, bankers, and private education prestige degrees for elite-networking. >I won't harp on the amazing properties of Silicon Valley in the 60s and 70s. The Soviet Union had social clubs and technology villages like a silicon valley campus on a budget with the liberties the Soviets could afford. America was wealthier, they could afford more liberties. The Soviet materialist doctrine was ideologically less limiting for technologists than American commercial doctrine and on average the Soviets approved more radical and exotic designs. It's ironic that stuffy bureaucrats were less risk averse than the selfstyled dynamic investors. >And there wasn't as much of the state breathing down your neck as it was in the eastern bloc. DDR really won the prize by having 1 in 7 working for Stasi in some way. Not much development made there, considering the general wealth and population size. Are you serious ? The people's commissariat for internal affairs and the ministry for state security were amateurs compared to capitalism in the domain of repurposing technology for power and control. They were a bastion of privacy in relation to surveillance capitalism and American 3 letter agencies, who wont stop until they surveil EVERYTHING. >Of course the USSR could hire people to do development for them. But it would really be expensive, as the foreigners shouldn't lack anything that they was used to just pick off a shelf in the west. Then threre's the social thing. If your colleagues are from time to time banting about the lack of good socks or something, and you just bought really nice socks from some party boss store. Then you probably feel a bit outside. Development really doesn't have to suffer because of that, but it's a risk in itself. In the honeymoon phase, American goods were better. But the honeymoon is over, the market offers planned obsolescence and fighting legal battles to allow personal property repairs. Soviet utilitarianism didn't understand nice socks, but things would last and were user serviceable. With enough patience Soviet product designers could learn to build nice things. Can you teach capitalists to build durable and serviceable products ?
>>1330120 >>1331078 Soviet computers were well built but they were at least knockoffs of the latest stuff that had been produced in the United States or in Britain, except slower. The computers in the USSR were specifically developed for military applications and thus durability was required. If civilians out them, they got them second hand and by then were much, much slower to whatever consumers could get in the west. But I agree. Had the Soviet Union not collapsed in '91, they could have built a far mightier version of linux, could have radicalized the free software movement, and have planted the seeds to a revolution in the west.
>>1330114 It already did. Capitalism in centralized state form or the less efficient decentralized model heads towards its own negation the more productive it is. So by surpassing the west, the USSR collapsed first

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Bros help a comrade out Anonymous 03/18/2021 (Thu) 12:36:32 No. 1329469 [Reply]
I am pro segregation and a friend of mine, who has no idea about that, asked me what i think about it. Of course i said i find it to be horrible etc., but now he wants to debate me. Pls give me arguments against segregation
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>>1333013 That's just benevolent sexism merely another form of systemic misogyny produced by the patriarchy. >white women No such thing, all wxmyn are honorary nⅰɡgеrs, "hard R" n-word pass included.
>>1333019 if i cut off my penis do i also get the n word pass?
>>1333027 That depends on your feminist congregation's denominational canon. Most major feminist communions today say yes.
>>1333019 >When women are violent and reactionary it's still men's fault. Damn those men.
>>1329469 >bros help a comrade out >I am a pro segregation You appear to have a tumor

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Anonymous 04/08/2021 (Thu) 17:22:07 No. 1332940 [Reply]
left wing economic policies are perfectly compatible with right wing social policies. i would say communism even enables right wing policies. just look at every major time it has been tried. ussr and ccp have historically been every right wingers wet dreamland. the only real capitalists that exist today are narcissistic degenerates, coomer simp men and whore women that would fuck over everything if it meant them having better things. all the tranners and degenerates will finally die off once they realize they have to work and function in the real world and no one would be able to police around people to accommodate anyone, minority or not. accelerate communism. i support modern china and i support maoist china, trostsky was too soy and stalin had the right idea that violence is absolute and it's the most effective way towards change. honestly, i wouldnt mind statist communism because i have already been unhappy for so long that i would feel at home, it's the weak whose spirits would give away from the monotony of everyday life. see you on the other side.
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>>1332940 Spotted the glowie
>>1332940 mucho texto amigo just say you're racist and go
>>1333155 nice reductionism there bud, bet that works well as a coping mechanism
>>1333295 >reductionism i mean reductivism, fuck, i failed you win
my point in its essence is that capitalism is the root of all evil, degeneracy and every social sin the west is plagued with. it encourages division and incentivizes making things worse for profit. and for what, all that for a life that's as vane as the product they produce. i on the other hand, see good in everything. the equality makes sure no one gets separated from its tribe and tradcuckism to keep people's impulses in check, both are pillars of stable but extremely dull community. all work and no play, you have to live for real now. this wont be a game anymore. just what i really want.

I hate libs Anonymous 04/09/2021 (Fri) 02:31:09 No. 1333099 [Reply]
When I see a guy who says he loves trees I don't automatically assume he must be a Nazi. That association just ain't there. But apparently if you're into the Woodsy fairy elf gnome aesthetic, love animals and trees but not in the cringy "I am a vegan begging for attention" way, and like Fantasy, you are a Strasserite My college friends asked me about it once and I was very confused. Radlibs are always wary of me online even if I barely say a fucking word and just image post (none of the images have any nationalistic content, and most of them have no humans, just animals). Sometimes I get ""accidentally"" banned In the future I won't even be able to like an aesthetic without a Vox or Buzfeed article calling it out. I CAN'T LIKE TOMBOYS ANYMORE They need to stop making associations like right wingers do when they see an Arab man in traditional attire holding a suitcase. Media and State as a whole should stay out of the Art realm and leave it be.
pol
>>1333099 lmao what happened did the woman in the porn video fuck a black guy? poor bb nobody cares
Lmao nice try Libtards, I'M NOT BANNED
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>>1333099 >it's a war of aesthetics it's a classwar

How will anarchists run schools? Anonymous 04/08/2021 (Thu) 17:27:45 No. 1332942 [Reply]
I heard anarchists don't really think school/teacher-student relationships are justified hierarchies. Will anarchists even have schools?
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>>1332942 >Will anarchists even have schools? no, because in a school you could actually learn something valuable whereas in anarchism you are confined to dogma. also, related material on anarchism and """child liberation""" https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/01/28/17179561.php https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb3-tlyuhVo&t=90s
>>1332972 >anarchism is when raping kids What is a justified hierarchy?
>>1332942 Quite simple really. The child is given the full course until about year 7 (educators should encourage the subject in which the kid seems interested). They are given a wide list of possible subjects they would like. Once they have chosen the subject/s they will have the opportunity to do their own research. Authoritarians don't understand that children are inherently curious. This is a justified hierarchy as everyone needs education in the modern world.
Instead of capital punishments for children it should be legal to spank anarchists.
>>1333079 >>1332942 >>1332944 I am also interested in how an anarchist school would work. In my estimation, anarchists are not anti education. Perhaps theirs is a vision of peer review extended to pedagogy.

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News 4/8/21 News Anon 3.0 04/08/2021 (Thu) 21:15:25 No. 1332981 [Reply]
Kannur DC calls all party meeting to end violence over murder of IUML worker Kannur district Collector TV Subhash has called an all-party meeting on Thursday at 11 am after violence broke out in the district following the killing of an Indian Union Muslim League Worker (IUML) allegedly by Communist Party of India (Marxist) CPI(M) activists. https://www.zee5.com/zee5news/kannur-dc-calls-all-party-meeting-to-end-violence-over-murder-of-iuml-worker https://archive.is/OlS0C Donbass Escalation Would Be ‘Beginning of the End’ for Ukraine – Putin Aide The outbreak of major hostilities in eastern Ukraine would mark “the beginning of the end” for Kiev, a top Kremlin official warned Thursday as alarm continues to grow over troop buildup in the region.“I support the assessments that also exist inside Ukraine that the beginning of hostilities is the beginning of the end of Ukraine,” President Vladimir Putin’s deputy chief of staff Dmitry Kozak said. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/08/donbass-escalation-would-be-beginning-of-the-end-for-ukraine-putin-aide-a73528 EU and UK pledge backing to Ukraine after Russian military buildup The European Union and UK have pledged “unwavering” support for Ukraine’s government amid concerns of a military escalation in the east of the country or a possible new offensive against the Nato ally after recent Russian troop movements. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/eu-sounds-alarm-at-russian-troops-ukraine-border-moves French military tests the robotic dog Spot in combat drill, Boston Dynamics tells media it had no idea The pictures of the drill were shared earlier this week on Twitter by France’s foremost military school, the École Spéciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr in the country’s northwest. The tweet said the drill tested students’ awareness of the challenges of tomorrow, like robotization of the battlefield. https://on.rt.com/b5kw

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Dimon calls on companies to be policymakers JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon is calling on companies to play a bigger role in the world’s problems, saying today in his annual shareholders letter that the business sector should be a “responsible community citizen." Corporations are increasingly facing more pressure to take a stand on politically divisive issues. https://www.axios.com/jamie-dimon-shareholder-letter-c1f730ca-e3f4-4f99-a221-34c49f7a8df8.html US jobless claims up to 744K as virus still forces layoffs The Labor Department said Thursday that applications increased by 16,000 from 728,000 a week earlier. Jobless claims have declined sharply since the virus slammed into the economy in March of last year. But they remain stubbornly high by historical standards: Before the pandemic erupted, weekly applications typically remained below 220,000 a week. https://apnews.com/article/jobless-claims-unemployment-health-coronavirus-pandemic-layoffs-d609c0c7d9fa04a0a395c4fea53e2899 Woman killed by police during eviction squatted for a year without lease The woman shot dead by police who were serving an eviction warrant Tuesday in Miami had been squatting in the apartment without a lease for a year, according to a source familiar with operations at the building.The source tells Local 10 News the woman — identified by police as 40-year-old Stephanie Nicole Voikin — came over for a party while other tenants lived in that unit on the top floor of the Brickell First Apartments (110 SW 12th St.) and never left. https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/04/07/woman-killed-by-police-during-eviction-squatted-for-a-year-without-lease/ https://archive.is/BISZU Sanctions Are Destroying U.S. Dollar's Status as World's Top Currency The United States' reliance on economic sanctions to coerce other countries is gradually losing its effectiveness and slowly degrading one of Washington's most influential tools in international affairs, the power of the U.S. dollar, experts told Newsweek. https://www.newsweek.com/sanctions-destroying-us-dollar-status-top-currency-1580619 https://archive.is/K9oyp

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The 21st-Century Road to Serfdom Runs Through Silicon Valley When California’s Proposition 22 passed late last year, its immediate dangers were already widely understood. The measure, which effectively allows companies like Uber and Lyft to create a new employment category that is neither employee nor independent contractor, seems certain to make gig-economy work even more precarious than it already is — the state’s rideshare workers being stripped of basic rights and benefits like overtime pay, sick leave, and eligibility for unemployment insurance (not to mention the ability to form a union). Their wages, meanwhile, are also destined to drop: one estimate from the UC Berkeley Labor Center suggesting that hourly pay for gig drivers may sink as low as $5.64 an hour, a sum more or less equivalent in real terms to the minimum wage when Harry Truman was president. The circumstances surrounding the initiative itself were also pretty Orwellian, the companies including a proviso in the measure’s fine print that will make it practically impossible to undo — its repeal requiring no less than seven-eighths of all votes in the state legislature. Between this, a misleading ad campaign, and a marketing offensive upward of $200 million, it’s no exaggeration to say that multibillion dollar corporations are now just buying laws and rewriting the labor code to suit their own bottom lines. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/twenty-first-century-serfdom-silicon-valley-big-tech-gig-economy-prop-22 Biden Picks Kamala Harris to Carry the Carrot and Stick in Central America WASHINGTON — The White House announced recently that Vice President Kamala Harris would take charge of the Biden administration’s “efforts to deter migration to the southwestern border by working to improve conditions in Central America.” The effort would oversee an infusion of billions of dollars into the “ravaged economies” of the so-called Northern Triangle of Central America (NTCA), comprising the nations of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. According to the Pew Research Center, immigration to the United States between 2007 and 2015 from these three countries outpaced all others, growing by 25%. More recent data provided by the UN Refugee Agency shows how the pandemic has exacerbated the endemic problems of violence and extortion that motivate the emigrants’ departure, causing over half a million people from the region to migrate in 2020. https://www.mintpressnews.com/biden-picks-kamala-harris-to-carry-carrot-stick-central-america-migrant-crisis/276510/ What a Hell of a Way to Die: How Did This Class System Get Into My Imperial Navy? This week, Nate and Francis discuss a viral story about a Navy officer based in Japan accused of writing a letter about why he doesn’t want to live among ‘deviant’ enlisted troops. Who knows if the letter is real? What we do know is that the Navy absolutely loves to segregate between officer and enlisted, more so than most other branches, and also it’s an opportunity for us to read the comments section on military dot com and find the true gems. https://soundcloud.com/hellofawaytodie/how-did-this-class-system-get-into-my-imperial-navy
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canadian here Anonymous 04/08/2021 (Thu) 19:58:29 No. 1332959 [Reply]
can someone explain to me why exactly americans are obsessing over asians recently? heard something about asian hate crimes that keeps getting posted on /pol/
Dumb burgers blaming Asians for COVID
>>1332959 The United States is entering into a second Cold War against China. They're churning out anti-Chinese/anti-communist propaganda very quickly with little forethought and this is inspiring their mentally retarded population to go shoot up massage parlors owned by Thai people. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad but that's how most empires die.
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p. sure there is no increase to the actual stats, which are mostly banal street crimes lacking any racial motive, and it's just totally fabricated hysteria to justify more domestic security state clampdowns.

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